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Constitution for the State of Vice [Exp. 03/04/2021]

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Reply #30 on: November 13, 2014, 08:17:15 pm
Section I. needs to have the relevant ordinances that have the terms "Sate of Vice" changed into "State of Florida" or "County of Vice (City)". This is a geographical issue.

Changed to Vice City, State of Florida, however it is a state under the country of the United States of Argonath and not a sovereign nation.

Other suggested changes have been resolved with the amendment of Section I, Ordinance V, and the replacement of the formerly such named ordinance with Section I, Ordinance VI.



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Reply #31 on: November 13, 2014, 08:39:16 pm
The Courts will now deliberate on legality of implementing this law and how to do it best.


"People who value their privileges above their principles, will soon lose both."
Lawyers for the bois nep? :thonk:


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Reply #32 on: December 08, 2014, 04:43:36 pm
For this proposal, the courts have decided to go through this system in a stage process.

Stage 1: Initial Review

The courts will discuss if the document is legally viable and worthwhile for the state.
This stage has been passed by the courts in initial form.

Stage 2: Professional Review

The courts will ask for exterior help from lawyers, solicitors, counsels and other legal professionals regarding the document and if any issues are to be noted within it.

Stage 3: Community Review

The courts will ask the Community of VC:MP if the document should be passed and enacted. And if any last minute additions or edits should be made.

Stage 4: Presidential  Ascension

The courts will request a review date by the Executive Branch of the United States of Argonath's Government to review the document and either pass or reject it. This will be done by either by President Gandalf (Ronnel) or Prime Minister/Vice President Aragorn (RON) or by a person they choose to pass the law, if none of the above should be available, after a 2 month waiting period, the courts will request the Chief Justice to review, enact or reject the proposal.


"People who value their privileges above their principles, will soon lose both."
Lawyers for the bois nep? :thonk:


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Reply #33 on: December 09, 2014, 02:49:38 pm
The courts will request a review date by the Executive Branch of the United States of Argonath's Government to review the document and either pass or reject it. This will be done by either by President Gandalf (Ronnel) or Prime Minister/Vice President Aragorn (RON) or by a person they choose to pass the law, if none of the above should be available, after a 2 month waiting period, the courts will request the Chief Justice to review, enact or reject the proposal.

Good luck getting them active  :lol:

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Reply #34 on: December 09, 2014, 02:52:35 pm
Some people have already signed up to help. This will be a great way of getting multiple players or groups of different players involved.


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Reply #35 on: December 09, 2014, 03:10:45 pm
Good luck getting them active  :lol:

Hence the 2 month waiting period, I see your point though, which was taken into account. If we can not have an active Executive, then we will enact the laws ourselves.


"People who value their privileges above their principles, will soon lose both."
Lawyers for the bois nep? :thonk:


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Reply #36 on: December 09, 2014, 03:23:55 pm
Hence the 2 month waiting period, I see your point though, which was taken into account. If we can not have an active Executive, then we will enact the laws ourselves.

Good news is that I have got into contact with them. : )

Also, we have left that stage till the end to ensure that the final part would literally just be a quick read and signing in process.


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Reply #37 on: December 10, 2014, 05:14:03 pm
Some people have already signed up to help.

Is it still possible to sign up?

If so:
1. Where?
2. Conditions?



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Reply #38 on: December 10, 2014, 09:46:01 pm
Is it still possible to sign up?

If so:
1. Where?
2. Conditions?

To give proprofessional advice you must be a practicing lawyer, judge or in a relevant legal position from any server. If you, feel free to post your opinion then but you must show evidence of your legal experience.

Otherwise you'll fit into the community section.


"People who value their privileges above their principles, will soon lose both."
Lawyers for the bois nep? :thonk:


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Reply #39 on: February 04, 2015, 07:35:29 am
In stage 1 different people familiar with this proposal and our city's courts have offered their edits.


Stage 2 is now open to all legal professional from across the Argonath states, as listed by PulseEffect.
If you would like to be involved in this contact me directly by PM!


Stage 3 will be the stage where just about everyone can pile on and put forward their thoughts. We thought it would be useful to hold this stage here since players would be able to see the proposal in a more complete version.


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Reply #40 on: April 01, 2015, 04:28:10 pm
Stage 2 is still open and will be closing by next month. Please PM myself if you would like to get involved!


"People who value their privileges above their principles, will soon lose both."
Lawyers for the bois nep? :thonk:


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Reply #41 on: February 11, 2016, 08:42:50 pm
Kessu says there's some renewed interest in a state constitution. Any chance of this being reviewed by the powers that be?



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Reply #42 on: March 16, 2016, 02:14:37 am
This proposal has been amended in the following places:

- Section II, Basic Human Rights: added an ordinance clarifying that it is illegal for private citizens to sell weapons that licensed vendors (AmmuNations, etc.) cannot legally sell. Private citizens may, however, freely sell legal weaponry.

- Section III, Criminal Law: added "fraud" to the list of forbidden activities in Act I. Added Act XXIV, which makes the Ogra a protected class of marine wildlife, and makes hunting the Ogra a criminal act.

- (edit:) References to passports and drivers' licenses are in the process of being removed.

Due to the lack of a proper legal framework in the state, this proposal will be treated as the de facto source of legal authority in the courts for the time being.

Stormeus
Chief Justice of the State of Vice



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Reply #43 on: March 16, 2016, 02:43:03 am
Regarding illegal weapons law, might I ask how the police raids will be meant to work in that case? if FBI gets evidence weapons are used by gang members / for crimes, we can (once script is done) confiscate ALL of them or just the illegal ones?



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Reply #44 on: March 16, 2016, 03:56:15 am
Regarding illegal weapons law, might I ask how the police raids will be meant to work in that case? if FBI gets evidence weapons are used by gang members / for crimes, we can (once script is done) confiscate ALL of them or just the illegal ones?

Allowing the police to seize weapons solely for possessing them would be illegal. This constitution has always upheld the right of citizens to bear arms. However, in criminal cases, whether police can or cannot seize weapons and assets comes down to the nature of the case.

In my interpretation, police would always be allowed to seize weapons that are illegal, since the act of possessing them is itself. The use of weaponry in an isolated case would not warrant seizing legal firearms.

If, however, a criminal, or a group of criminals, were to commit severe criminal acts such as terrorism, or were repeatedly linked to violent acts, the court could sanction the seizure of any weapons, legal or not. When these kinds of instances of firearm misuse are linked to an individual or group, it's likely that the weapons themselves are a vehicle for organized crime, and so the weapons themselves become evidence to be seized.



 


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