How to give the community itself a boost?

[Que]

It's good to see the interest of this topic. Keep it up!

Although Que has separated the problems into distinct categories, they are really all the same problem;

It was separated into categories to let people see it from one wider aspect.

All of us are the community and all of us are responsible for shaping its future.

That is whatsoever true, but it is still the higher ranked people who set and decide what's right and wrong within the community.
About the attitude, we all have to take our throw. Just as you said; people who are obviously seeking for attention with writing "umad" and other retarded abbreviations could easily be ignored, yet again; there are too many people caring about these attention seekers, which means the problem will continue until someone puts down the foot.

I highly doubt /jobcop /jobdriver /jobthis /jobthat scripts teach a player to seek some interaction in forums.

When I first started to play here, the forum was like a second home for me. Unfortunately that spirit has slowly extinguished by time. I find it important to get this spirit back to the community that was known for its exceptional forum.

I believe that is because irrelevant goodlucks and opinions hamper the managers when they have to click page to page back and forth all the time when they need to bring the pieces of an unban process together to make their decision... To issue a ''bullshit = mute'' policy would increase admins workload don't you think?

It has its up and down. Even though the section was frankly spammed with "good lucks", it was also a way to let the community somehow; be a part of the requests. It is, of course, higher ranked's main work to take care of these unban requests, nonetheless there are always some cases you would like to post to express your opinion. By cancelling the way of showing expressions in the section is not always the best way to react.

If you are being trolled then you are seeking their attention (unintentionally or not)...

The thing is that we have no real trolls. We got a bunch of kids who are trying to become something by wiggling around the forum and in-game, posting repeated abbreviations and memes. This is not trolling, nor an appropriate attitude. 

[Void]

That is whatsoever true, but it is still the higher ranked people who set and decide what's right and wrong within the community.
About the attitude, we all have to take our throw. Just as you said; people who are obviously seeking for attention with writing "umad" and other retarded abbreviations could easily be ignored, yet again; there are too many people caring about these attention seekers, which means the problem will continue until someone puts down the foot.

Everyone wants to see a "foot setting down". That's great because it shows us the players want a change in a certain aspect of the community, but we had seen through the past that imposing strict sanction rises nothing but rebellion and increases troll attempting/moaning.

What we need is the help of all. Especially clans of our community. Start building unity from the very fragment. Every player/group can be an example to another.

When I first started to play here, the forum was like a second home for me. Unfortunately that spirit has slowly extinguished by time. I find it important to get this spirit back to the community that was known for its exceptional forum.

This is a common sentence. If you observe carefully, every player that had been playing here for a year or so will call that year "golden, great" or such. Nothing unusual.

It has its up and down. Even though the section was frankly spammed with "good lucks", it was also a way to let the community somehow; be a part of the requests. It is, of course, higher ranked's main work to take care of these unban requests, nonetheless there are always some cases you would like to post to express your opinion. By cancelling the way of showing expressions in the section is not always the best way to react.

If the management of the said server would allow members to contact them through PM (not only for possible evidence against) but for a remark on the banned player, it would be great. I believe that would exclude the "good luck" problem. This way, the members can help shape management opinion on the banned player.
Again, there is the activity/stress segment. I suppose that it would be a problem for some managers to keep up with the PMs.

[Que]

This is a common sentence. If you observe carefully, every player that had been playing here for a year or so will call that year "golden, great" or such. Nothing unusual.

In addition to this being an usual sentence, the forum; which was the largest and most interesting detail within this community is less populated than before, also less interesting than before. In whatever way you decide to turn the mirror, you will no matter what; face this fact. Argonath has decreased in popularity on the forum, and in my opinion, that's something we have to change quickly. Make the spirit free again, make the forum addictive to people.

If the management of the said server would allow members to contact them through PM (not only for possible evidence against) but for a remark on the banned player, it would be great.

Why through a personal message? Once again, this shows the integration problem the community is currently facing.
If someone is simply abusing the right of posting in the unban section, make him suffer for it. There should be zero tolerance against solid misbehaviour.
Making up lies or rumours does also go under the name misbehaviour. Be fair, but hard.

[Cofiliano]

All the things that Que has mentioned in his first reply, are just consequences of various factors.

-For example, people start flaming, insulting and provoking on politics and religion, consequences->One of the best sections on forums are gone.

-People are taking a piss on someone else unban requests consequences-> Only authors of the topics and admins some of which are just abusing that right since they ain't even connected to the ban and by doing , are just evading the rule,but that's another subject) can wrote in it.

-City Hall used to be popular cause it was The Community market place, where people could sell/buy their properties and products(which already took a big blow when car selling was disabled) , back then that market was huge with a lot of opportunities that doesn't exist today, with a lot of things to do.


About the 'cool down' situation on Argo:
 
-There's a 'change of generation' at the Community. Last 12-15 months, Argonath has lost a huge amount of veteran older players, for many reasons, and some new younger guys have shown up,  most of which are still not developed as a players( many of them as a person also), there's no new ideas, new businesses, new types of roleplays, or anything new that I saw from them, do they need more time or what I dont know but they do not posses much enthusiasm, originality, imagination, they simply 'accept' and adjust themselves to the way groups on Argo are functioning, without the will to try creating something totally different.
There's simply no any people with new vision and ideas among the 'new' players like it used to be: Que, Frank Hawk, Mario Rinna, Panda, Maxy, Jimmy Cuneo, CBF, Hank, NitrOx, Daniel, Joey, Urs, Romeo, Myself, Eugene  etc, and this is just comapring to last year. The only new guy I met that actually has the potential, knowlege and new ideas is Gavino, that's one guy 'against'  15-20 who left during 12-15 months period.

Lack of new ideas and its own visions and originality consequences-> 'slow down' and monotony.

[9r2e5i3k]

About "can't sell cars any more" -- this is a direct consequence of being too script dependant. People used to role-play selling imaginary items, like a car radio, a Rolex, or a pack of drugs, and others would buy it. Nowadays, if it's not scripted, people will not buy it.

Similar thing with jobs - the more scripted ones, the less players will rely on own creativity to hire people/offer role-played jobs.

About "no creativity, nothing new", I blame those who keep making "events" because they don't have anything to do with their money after farming up a fortune.

What's equally bad are people moaning about others (especially about new players, hurr durr how friendly and welcoming) being "non RP money hungry". Simplest solution is to hire people and give them role-play jobs. That way the new guys will have a chance to earn some money, as well as get exposed to role-play.

[Mario_Rinna]

Contribute with ideas, thoughts or whatsoever to give the community itself a boost once again.

It doesn't need one.

I like the way things are today. You don't always have to put your old dog down or try to ease its pain. It can die on its own.

[Que]

-There's a 'change of generation' at the Community. Last 12-15 months, Argonath has lost a huge amount of veteran older players, for many reasons, and some new younger guys have shown up,  most of which are still not developed as a players( many of them as a person also), there's no new ideas, new businesses, new types of roleplays, or anything new that I saw from them, do they need more time or what I dont know but they do not posses much enthusiasm, originality, imagination, they simply 'accept' and adjust themselves to the way groups on Argo are functioning, without the will to try creating something totally different.
There's simply no any people with new vision and ideas among the 'new' players like it used to be: Que, Frank Hawk, Mario Rinna, Panda, Maxy, Jimmy Cuneo, CBF, Hank, NitrOx, Daniel, Joey, Urs, Romeo, Myself, Eugene  etc, and this is just comapring to last year. The only new guy I met that actually has the potential, knowlege and new ideas is Gavino, that's one guy 'against'  15-20 who left during 12-15 months period.

This is true.
The question remains why the new individuals has not grown up to be strong personalities within the community.
The only one I can remember right now is Dellstorm, that's one good example of a new addition to Argonath.

AI blame those who keep making "events" because they don't have anything to do with their money after farming up a fortune.

The whole rotation is completely out of bounds, and I believe the reset in RS5 will do good. If not higher ups decides to make a list of lottos/paydays, and we are back to the same square once again.

It doesn't need one.

I like the way things are today. You don't always have to put your old dog down or try to ease its pain. It can die on its own.

The "it was better before"-way of speaking is indeed usual, as I stated earlier in this topic. In my opinion, you can't obscure the fact that some sort of disease has hit the community. Some individuals might get along with it, nonetheless I cannot be pleased with something I know could be far better than nowadays, therefore I made the topic.

It's extremely amusing to see mature and ingenuous replies one by one, page by page. Keep it up.

[Mario_Rinna]

In my opinion, you can't obscure the fact that some sort of disease has hit the community. Some individuals might get along with it, nonetheless I cannot be pleased with something I know could be far better than nowadays, therefore I made the topic.

Well, you can't always get what you want.

I don't deny that there are problems, however, I think that if CLs/owners cared about this, they would have taken action in 2009.

It's always easier to pretend there is no problem, or that it's impossible to fix. There's nothing bad about this..

[Cutt3r]

It is not impossible to fix but it would involve banning easily 55-60% of people on server. Not that that may be a problem, can always have better people joining the server. But it is accepted that there are assholes everywhere on the planet, even in the virtual world. A long leash has been given, when it runs out, they are shown the door for a long time.

Argonath believes in friendship, it is one of the pillars of the server...as one player rightly put it "we are one big dysfunctional family".

[Que]

Well, you can't always get what you want.

The purpose was not to get anything from my side, but I find it important to have an open discussion.
Let people share their thoughts, contribute and even develop through that.

[Cutt3r]

Essentially, one's personality develops when one gives respect. When respect is given, it is received in return. It is not a one way thing. Through mutual respect, one develops friendship. When there is friendship, there is no bullshit in any form whatsoever.

Seems simple. But with human beings, it is the most complicated thing. Cuz human beings have to fight the the biggest hurdle of all - their own ego.

[Mario_Rinna]

It is not impossible to fix but it would involve banning easily 55-60% of people on server. Not that that may be a problem, can always have better people joining the server. But it is accepted that there are assholes everywhere on the planet, even in the virtual world. A long leash has been given, when it runs out, they are shown the door for a long time.

Argonath believes in friendship, it is one of the pillars of the server...as one player rightly put it "we are one big dysfunctional family".

Would you like to be the first person on that list? : )

The purpose was not to get anything from my side

You do want the "disease" "cured", don't you?

[Cutt3r]

My being on the list or not is unimportant. I have a job to do here and I try to do so with all sincerity.

Come to think of it, there are quite a few guys on the list for me already...

Que, the problem by itself is easy to identify. It is money, just like in the real world. Most people want to be rich, hoard drugs, weapons and money for God knows what reason. Thing is, one does not become cool when he generates some extra kilobytes in the player file because of the money on his screen...It is worthless trash. What is worthwhile is developing friends, helping people and using that brain to generate imaginative, constructive and involving roleplay with the overall essence of fun for all.

So why don't we just about take away money from the roleplay? For starters, some would learn the true, 2006-07 meaning of roleplay and in turn develop friendship with each other now wouldn't they? ^^

[Que]

You do want the "disease" "cured", don't you?

It is obviously the community itself that gains something outta it.
Me myself would be more than happy for the community if it's rebuild to its originality. So yeah, I kinda gain happiness.

Que, the problem by itself is easy to identify. It is money, just like in the real world.

It does not understand nor see the connection between this problem and virtual money.

[Emre]

It does not understand nor see the connection between this problem and virtual money.

If I'm not mistaken, I suppose that he refers to money as a problem because people prefer money over joy. They infact play for high numbers which is no longer fun.