Is it true?

[Pingster]

What community leaders think of this is pretty clear based on an existing rule. If your friend gets killed by an enemy gang, you can't take a sniper and shoot him 3 hours later and call it a "criminal activity based kill" as Salmonella explained it. Element of surprise as you explained it has a different name too. Forced roleplay.

[Chris_Knight]

If he did something that would hurt me or any of my friends, I can go and '' sniper his ass'', and if I inform him by private messages, he will use this information in character.
Post Merge: March 26, 2012, 12:30:30 pmWhat is the difference if you still have a reason? See? This topic was made just for you! 

As Sabreman said,it's not your victims job to know all his enemy friends to feel when ever he is in trouble,you don't give him that oportunity,so if you will just aproach your victim and slice his throat because he threated some of your budy its not a roleplay reason.

[jinjifliaktor]

You have to make the reason clear. For example, there are cases in which player's have an RP reason to kill another, but their victim never get's to know the reason which often result in admin interference.

In this case you should not be punished because the victim is stupid or trying to be, right? Of course you will have to inform the admin what was the reason to kill someone. But instead of punishing someone with words '' U no inform victim that u gonna kill him'', they can just ask you and find out what is the reason.
Post Merge: March 26, 2012, 12:43:32 pm

so if you will just aproach your victim and slice his throat because he threated some of your budy its not a roleplay reason.

Rather, this is a real reason to kill someone. 

[Chris_Knight]

In this case you should not be punished because the victim is stupid or trying to be, right? Of course you will have to inform the admin what was the reason to kill someone. But instead of punishing someone with words '' U no inform victim that u gonna kill him'', they can just ask you and find out what is the reason.

It's not about how smart you are but the fact that you can't just aproach an target and kill him whitout saying anything because he did something to your friend . Or I've could send a pizza boy to stab you because yesterday you drove me over when i was walking on walkside. Remember Gavino this is not forced roleplay server therefore here are limits related to a roleplay murders.

[jinjifliaktor]

What community leaders think of this is pretty clear based on an existing rule. If your friend gets killed by an enemy gang, you can't take a sniper and shoot him 3 hours later and call it a "criminal activity based kill" as Salmonella explained it. Element of surprise as you explained it has a different name too. Forced roleplay.

First of all, this is not forced roleplay. If he has killed one of my gang, I can go and kill him even a week after that. Most likely because I have had no opportunity before. And if he report me for dm, the admin should to ask me what was the reason and not punish me for '' u forgot to inform him that you are going to kill him.''
Post Merge: March 26, 2012, 12:49:05 pm

It's not about how smart you are but the fact that you can't just aproach an target and kill him whitout saying anything because he did something to your friend . Or I've could send a pizza boy to stab you because yesterday you drove me over when i was walking on walkside. Remember Gavino this is not forced roleplay server therefore here are limits related to a roleplay murders.

With this message you just say that Argonath limits the roleplay, which at this stage is actually true. By the way, killing someone for '' drove me over when i was walking on walkside'' is poor reason, even in the RL RP servers.

[Petey]

perfect example what gandalf just made about what to do in this kind of sutiation.

We have a clear police against unneeded violenc.
You can not attack someone without warning because they or some member of their gang attack you one hour, one day or one week before. If you were looking for Frank_Hawk then you should give the reason you were looking for him, and make such reason clear in game.

A proper RPer, who would not be misformed by playing on servers for people with no brains, would before drive-bying out of nowhere with a self-thought of reason do the following:

* Call Frank_Hawk
* Tell him you have beef because some Ballas attacked, and you want compensation
* If he refuses you tell him that shit will be going down

By this Frank_Hawk has the opportunity to RP something else as a shootout, as well as be aware an attack might be coming.

Your method of forced RP as is prevalent on the server you posted the video from is not acceptable here and is deemed DM.

[Chris_Knight]

First of all, this is not forced roleplay. If he has killed one of my gang, I can go and kill him even a week after that. Most likely because I have had no opportunity before. And if he report me for dm, the admin should to ask me what was the reason and not punish me for '' u forgot to inform him that you are going to kill him.''

Thats already different story due the fact you are from same gang . Like example if I shot down an Corleone member the most obvious thing I'll do I'll try evade Corleones in future to not get revenge. Yet doesn't means now I have to look over everyone who passes me from 120 players daily because you can send an random guy to kill me whitout even me begin aware wich is surprise kill indeed but yet afther that week I might not be aware why did I got killed and most obvious thing I'll do is report him.

[jinjifliaktor]

perfect example what gandalf just made about what to do in this kind of sutiation.

What if Renz0 doesn't have Frank Hawk's number? What if he is just tired of that gang and want to give them a good lesson? You see, the example of Gandalf is far from perfect.

[saberman]

What if Renz0 doesn't have Frank Hawk's number? What if he is just tired of that gang and want to give them a good lesson? You see, the example of Gandalf is far from perfect.

Imagination. You have services to get his phone number or take one of his men hostage to get a number out of his mouth.

[Chris_Knight]

What if Renz0 doesn't have Frank Hawk's number? What if he is just tired of that gang and want to give them a good lesson? You see, the example of Gandalf is far from perfect.

You can't ask something to be perfect because that can't be done. If there is anything what limits you in current situation like with Frank Hawk phone nummber,you find different aproach to deal with it. Use imagination but with the limits of Argonath rules.

[jinjifliaktor]

Thats already different story due the fact you are from same gang . Like example if I shot down an Corleone member the most obvious thing I'll do I'll try evade Corleones in future to not get revenge. Yet doesn't means now I have to look over everyone who passes me from 120 players daily because you can send an random guy to kill me whitout even me begin aware wich is surprise kill indeed but yet afther that week I might not be aware why did I got killed and most obvious thing I'll do is report him.

The guy sent by me will explain to the admins the reason of that murder, then if you think that you got dm'ed, either the admin or the hitman will explain you the reason via PM. But that will happen -AFTER- the roleplay. 

[saberman]

The guy sent by me will explain to the admins the reason of that murder, then if you think that you got dm'ed, either the admin or the hitman will explain you the reason via PM. But that will happen -AFTER- the roleplay. 

How would you react if I kill you without telling or making the RP reason clear and coming out of the blue? When my RP reason was to kill you because you killed one of my close friends?

Try to avoid usage of weapons and use imagination. Don't act like real life, but try to take an example from it.

[Chris_Knight]

The guy sent by me will explain to the admins the reason of that murder, then if you think that you got dm'ed, either the admin or the hitman will explain you the reason via PM. But that will happen -AFTER- the roleplay. 

We have a rule against it to preventing such situation,and all players follow the rules. So in current situation you would be punished for DM wich you consider to be roleplay. Rule is simple,we have to inform victim about roleplay reason before doing murder it self not afther informing roleplay reason via PM. The way you gona inform him is up to your imagination,the way you gona do surprise attack is again up to your imagination .
Post Merge: March 26, 2012, 01:02:13 pm

How would you react if I kill you without telling or making the RP reason clear and coming out of the blue? When my RP reason was to kill you because you killed one of my close friends?

It's already goes about opinion Sabreman and I guess Gavino would be fine with it . But Argonath follows it's vision made by developers wich currently are this way therefore we just live with it . 

[jinjifliaktor]

Sabreman and Chris, obviously we have different views. I can not tell who is right and who is not, because I based my words on realistic roleplay. There is no such thing in Argonath.
Post Merge: March 26, 2012, 01:04:20 pm

How would you react if I kill you without telling or making the RP reason clear and coming out of the blue? When my RP reason was to kill you because you killed one of my close friends?

Try to avoid usage of weapons and use imagination. Don't act like real life, but try to take an example from it.

I will ask you for the reason by using private messages.  Аny normal person would do that.

[Chris_Knight]

Sabreman and Chris, obviously we have different views. I can not tell who is right and who is not, because I based my words on realistic roleplay. There is no such thing in Argonath.
Post Merge: March 26, 2012, 01:04:20 pmI will ask you for the reason by using private messages.  Аny normal person would do that.

Gavino it's not my opinion but a rule we all have to follow. And yeah Argonath vision is different than real life roleplay in most scenarious. But we live with in this community so we have to obey it's rules and all we can do is make it as possible easier for us and our aproach to different type of roleplay.