Life out of our Solar system? Wait, what?

[saberman]

 :ps: I haven't forgot this topic yet. I will make a reply explaining stuff. And hey, I believe in Islam because I think it's right, because I have seen examples, because I judge it to be correct. Not because my friends and cousins believe in Islam and I should do the same since I was raised like this... Of course I wouldn't know this much knowledge Islam to reach to this judgement...

[Gandalf]

There are some things people should know before trying to attack each other.
1. Science and religion are not excluding each other. It is perfectly possible to be a scientist and be religious. However in certain areas (like evolutionay biology or archeology) a reasonable doubt does help.
2. It is impossible to prove something does not exist. That is the base of any religion. No scientist will ever be able to prove God does not exist, and no real scientist will ever try.
3. Science has the obligation to test and question every theory. This makes the science of evolution an easy target for religous people who point at constant research and adaptation due to scientists getting new knowledge in this field.
4. Science is like an episode of CSI: a crime is discovered and the police researches until the find who did it.
5. Religion is like an episode of Columbo: everyone knows who did it, the story is to find what gives the evidence.
6. The theory of evolution does not exclude the existance of God. It does however conflict with Earth being 6000 years old, as that has been proven impossible.

[Pandalink]

Don't get me wrong, if god was scientifically proven to exist (perhaps he is a powerful being from another planet, or something else that can theoretically be verified) then I would indeed "believe in god" because, hey, he would exist and there would be evidence for it.

in the future it is likely that people may look back at us and laugh how stupid we were for believing many theories that in the future are disproven.

And that will be absolutely fine, as long as those in the future do not continue to believe those theories that have been disproven. Refusal to accept new ideas (and in turn reject old ones) is part of the reason that religion still plagues our society today.

I do not laugh at those that were religious in the middle ages. I laugh at those that remain religious today.

[saberman]

God lives in another planet? God has omnipresence. That is what I believe.

 :ps: I'll make a post explaining Islam in a matter of time.

[Gandalf]

God lives in another planet? God has omnipresence. That is what I believe.

 :ps: I'll make a post explaining Islam in a matter of time.

Most people here know the concept of religion, regardless if its Islam, Christianity or other religions.
What you should try to explain is why you find it more believable that things which are according to modern science impossible happened, yet you refuse to accept a theory that nobody has been able to disprove in more than 100 years.

[aleksandar_gojkovic]

Ok, lets put an end to this religiouse stuff.

Gods (in ancient times) = EXTRATERESTRIALS!

In greek mithology gods have chariots of fire. That must be the proof of some kind of spacecraft that makes fire while taking off.
In indian mithology one god had some sort of miniature sciptar like thing that shoots BEAMS!
In christianity we got angels who have WINGS on theyre backs.  Wings are positioned on a such way, and they have such small size that those wings are incapable of lifting a human into the sky. So why they had wings? Whell, those aint wings, those are some sorts of jetpacs. Think bout it. We have jetpacks today that can take us up to 2400 meters into the sky.
In India (again) there is a story that my dad told me while we watched some story on history about ancient aliens. He told me of a story in some hoyl Hinduism book where is described A FREAKIN NUCLEAR WAR!

Also, in christianity (again) angels had the power to walk trough walls. Hmmm, that looks like hologram to me. DO NOT get me WRONG. I BEALIVE IN GOD, but all i am saying is that there is a posseability that GOD is just some supreme alien comander. Think bout that.

[Mikal]

Ok, lets put an end to this religiouse stuff.

Gods (in ancient times) = EXTRATERESTRIALS!

In greek mithology gods have chariots of fire. That must be the proof of some kind of spacecraft that makes fire while taking off.
In indian mithology one god had some sort of miniature sciptar like thing that shoots BEAMS!
In christianity we got angels who have WINGS on theyre backs.  Wings are positioned on a such way, and they have such small size that those wings are incapable of lifting a human into the sky. So why they had wings? Whell, those aint wings, those are some sorts of jetpacs. Think bout it. We have jetpacks today that can take us up to 2400 meters into the sky.
In India (again) there is a story that my dad told me while we watched some story on history about ancient aliens. He told me of a story in some hoyl Hinduism book where is described A FREAKIN NUCLEAR WAR!

Also, in christianity (again) angels had the power to walk trough walls. Hmmm, that looks like hologram to me. DO NOT get me WRONG. I BEALIVE IN GOD, but all i am saying is that there is a posseability that GOD is just some supreme alien comander. Think bout that.

If the Ancient Greeks saw these 'chariots of fire' like UFO's they would have painted them that way, instead they painted them in after something that existed on the ground and pulled horses, hence they used their imaginations for the 'god' flying round story..

[aleksandar_gojkovic]

If the Ancient Greeks saw these 'chariots of fire' like UFO's they would have painted them that way, instead they painted them in after something that existed on the ground and pulled horses, hence they used their imaginations for the 'god' flying round story..

You seem not to understand. IN theyre minds, they figured it as "chariots". Also, HOW ARE YOU going to explain to a regular low minded human what you saw?  In those times ORDINEARY people were preatty low minded and stupid, so that was the ONLY way you could explain it easly to them.

Same is in christianity. The one who said that god made universe in 7 days actually knew that the process was going on for billions of years, but he needed to tell it to ordineary people in a simple way. (Now, you gonna ask how did he know how bout that, answer is that GOD told him that. God or extraterestrials).

[Gandalf]

You seem not to understand. IN theyre minds, they figured it as "chariots". Also, HOW ARE YOU going to explain to a regular low minded human what you saw?  In those times ORDINEARY people were preatty low minded and stupid, so that was the ONLY way you could explain it easly to them.

Same is in christianity. The one who said that god made universe in 7 days actually knew that the process was going on for billions of years, but he needed to tell it to ordineary people in a simple way. (Now, you gonna ask how did he know how bout that, answer is that GOD told him that. God or extraterestrials).

While there is a possibility, as people will describe things in a way that is known to them, at the same time you would think the story to have some accurate information.
And the Genesis story is too far away from the development of the Universe as we know it to be seen as a simplified account of reality.

[Caltson]

I'm quite sure there is life outside our system. Our system is only a small fraction of our galaxy. There are definatly other planets that are suitable for life, adapted to their planet. Perhaps we could not live there but other lifeforms could because they adapted to their planet like we adapted to ours.

What I wonder though is wether the technology of other species (if they should excist) stands further than us and would actually reach us first or not. Sounds all very unrealistic but I do believe one day, this may be possible in some way.
I'll be happy for myself to reach the moon once in my life though.  :razz:

[aleksandar_gojkovic]

I'm quite sure there is life outside our system. Our system is only a small fraction of our galaxy. There are definatly other planets that are suitable for life, adapted to their planet. Perhaps we could not live there but other lifeforms could because they adapted to their planet like we adapted to ours.

What I wonder though is wether the technology of other species (if they should excist) stands further than us and would actually reach us first or not. Sounds all very unrealistic but I do believe one day, this may be possible in some way.
I'll be happy for myself to reach the moon once in my life though.  :razz:

I am not shure where i read this, but i bealive it was something like this: IF our galaxy was the size of an ATOM, universe would be the size of EARTH (or Sun, IDK, i forgot  )

And the Genesis story is too far away from the development of the Universe as we know it to be seen as a simplified account of reality.

Exceatly. I mean, imagine if you lived in 2k B.C. and someone came to you and said to you detailed how did the universe came to existance. You would think that that guy is crasy. Explenation of creation of universe is just a simplified theory.

[Gandalf]

Exceatly. I mean, imagine if you lived in 2k B.C. and someone came to you and said to you detailed how did the universe came to existance. You would think that that guy is crasy. Explenation of creation of universe is just a simplified theory.

The funny thing is that several civilizations in 2000BC had a more accurate knowledge of our solar system and the universe as people indoctrinated by the Bible or Quoran....

[Exterminator]

I am not shure where i read this, but i bealive it was something like this: IF our galaxy was the size of an ATOM, universe would be the size of EARTH (or Sun, IDK, i forgot  )

Exceatly. I mean, imagine if you lived in 2k B.C. and someone came to you and said to you detailed how did the universe came to existance. You would think that that guy is crasy. Explenation of creation of universe is just a simplified theory.

Thats wrong actually, the universe is MUCH bigger than that. Plus due to inflation you will never be able to map it.
Oh and theres also infinite inflation, which says there are INFINITE universes

[JDC]

Thats wrong actually, the universe is MUCH bigger than that. Plus due to inflation you will never be able to map it.
Oh and theres also infinite inflation, which says there are INFINITE universes

One thing out of our scientific capability is the means to prove or disprove the existence of multiple universes, as we cannot even get outside the observable range of our own.

[Caltson]

Thats wrong actually, the universe is MUCH bigger than that. Plus due to inflation you will never be able to map it.
Oh and theres also infinite inflation, which says there are INFINITE universes

That's not true.
Theoretically, there is one universe. This universe houses many galaxies. Every galaxy has many star clusters. in these star clusters there are many systems. Every system has their own planets. Each planet has a chance to be suitable for life. Earth is one amongst those.