[PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends - EQUALITY!

[Salvatore_Zambino]

Then I guess we have nothing more to discuss here.

We do, because all the police do is abuse you with there spray untill you /gu, wheres the RP in that? I just want equality between the police and criminals.

If it's about RP, then there's no rule not allowing you to help your friends... in a RP.

Situation: You're chillin in your backyard with your homies, bunch of enemy gang members ride down the street and start an argument with you, it gets loud, cops are called. Cops arrive, suspect people for whatever reason seems appropriate, the RP continues though. One of your gang members calls a friend to pick up some men and come help you, they arrive, join the RP, no guns are fired still. That's within roleplay boundaries and is allowed.

Now, here's another situation:
You're on an NRG against 2 cops, running away after they tried to pull you over, they ram you off the bike, one of them hops on it and drives it off, a shootout happens. You /cb Come help, we're at Unity Station, bunch of unsuspected friends show up and all start shooting at the cops. That doesn't add to roleplay in any way, shape or form, all it adds is to your shootout skills. And when I say shootout, I mean DM. Cause let's face it, who starts a fricking shootout for being pulled over for speeding?

That second situation is the situation I want to legalize, police can still RP by making a barricade and negotiating with the criminals and make an RP scene but it looks like all these cops just want to pew pew.

This is a rule, not a law, thus City Hall has no influence on this what so ever. This rule has been the same for years, and it isn't about to change.

Why is this rule so biased for police though? If this isn't passed then I will start another petiton so that police CAN NOT re-join an RP situation like criminals can't.
[Im not gonna get a ban for my opinions am I?]

It'll be much more fun when the server is equal with cops and criminals. Therefore, I'am in the favour of passing it!

Exactly! EQUAILTY is the key-word here! Thanks Kuldip!

[saberman]

We do, because all the police do is abuse you with there spray untill you /gu

/report or F8, ARPD Forums

wheres the RP in that?

Well, in this situation, police shouts at you to surrender, and it doesn't sound like DM or non-RP to me.

I just want equality between the police and criminals.

> Implying Argonath RPG is a cop versus criminal server

That second situation is the situation I want to legalize, police can still RP by making a barricade and negotiating with the criminals and make an RP scene but it looks like all these cops just want to pew pew.

And you run around in a car just waiting for the cops to chase you?

Why is this rule so biased for police though? If this isn't passed then I will start another petiton so that police CAN NOT re-join an RP situation like criminals can't.

> Implying Argonath RPG is a cop versus criminal server.

Exactly! EQUAILTY is the key-word here! Thanks Kuldip!

> Implying Argonath RPG is a cop versus criminal server.

[Salvatore_Zambino]

Reporting, or f8 or ARPD forums > Only wastes your time, punishments are not fair. They barely get punished!
Im not saying that Argo is a cops vs robbers server. Im saying that some rules are pretty biased towards police and that criminals and police should be equal.

I want better criminal RP because there isn't enough of it. Bank robberys, kidnappings are all cliched, there always the same! It's better with more people and bigger action, by action NOT only guns and pewpew.

[Reece]

I. Check if the idea has been already posted before
 If it has been denied, it will probably get denied again.
Example: cops not being able to 'return after death'...
 4. Ideas based on "advantages/disadvantages" between cops and suspects (falsely called criminals in most idea topics).
Example: Cops have police bikes so we criminals also want bikes; Cops have free guns and we pay for them, make the cops pay for weapons

[saberman]

Reporting, or f8 or ARPD forums > Only wastes your time, punishments are not fair. They barely get punished!

Complain to the President or ARPD Commissionaire.

Im not saying that Argo is a cops vs robbers server.

Correct, you're implying.

I want better criminal RP because there isn't enough of it. Bank robberys, kidnappings are all cliched, there always the same! It's better with more people and bigger action, by action NOT only guns and pewpew.

Lead by example.

[Pingster]

That second situation is the situation I want to legalize, police can still RP by making a barricade and negotiating with the criminals and make an RP scene but it looks like all these cops just want to pew pew.

Police would not be pew pewing if the suspects were RPing. Police's first goal is to arrest, second to kill. What you want to legalize is DM - basically, anyone that's sued drives to GS9 and all the cops following are dead in 10s with your idea. How do you negotiate with 10 combat shotguns blasting you? "Hi, I'm here t.. okay, /r officer down, C30, GS9".

Any white blip is assumed to be a civilian regardless of what he regularly RPs as. If he's at the scene of the crime when it happens, accompanying the criminal, then he is suspected to be a criminal, hence /su id aid. If a white blip drives past you, you should not be thinking, "Well, shit, he's gonna kill me now" just 'cause he's a part of mafia.

With your idea, any white dot can now drive up to police roadblock and slash their throats while they're unaware of any danger, 'cause "I was helping them".

Removing this rule, while with a good intention, would be used only for DMing.

But yes, this is not a cop vs criminal server. The idea is not to have 50% orange names and 50% blue names. The idea is to have roleplay, orange names =\= roleplay in 99% of cases. Prove me wrong. And policemen should never be afraid of being killed whenever they see a white dot on map when apprehending a suspect.

Again, if you want better criminal RP, what do you need this rule removed for? All this rule denies is white dots killing policemen for no reason other than "He's chasing my friend".

[Michele_Noord]

This is a rule, not a law, thus City Hall has no influence on this what so ever. This rule has been the same for years, and it isn't about to change.

Exactly like this ^.

Also when you are suspected and you get a shootout you have a reason to shoot, if a un-sused friend helps you in the shootout is it DM(for him) as he doesn't got any reason to shoot. His reason would be: Helping a friend.. So that means when somebody DMs could say everybody ''I'm helping a friend''. Which is still not allowed as ''helping a friend'' is not a valid reason to DM. Friends can help you to escape but they can't help you in a shootout which lead again to ''DM''.

It can also lead that cops are DMing. If there is a shootout and your friends come helping you, officers can get confused who is now in the shootout and who isn't.

[Salvatore_Zambino]

Exactly like this ^.

Also when you are suspected and you get a shootout you have a reason to shoot, if a un-sused friend helps you in the shootout is it DM(for him) as he doesn't got any reason to shoot. His reason would be: Helping a friend.. So that means when somebody DMs could say everybody ''I'm helping a friend''. Which is still not allowed as ''helping a friend'' is not a valid reason to DM. Friends can help you to escape but they can't help you in a shootout which lead again to ''DM''.

It can also lead that cops are DMing. If there is a shootout and your friends come helping you, officers can get confused who is now in the shootout and who isn't.

Thats exactly why I want this too pass. It causes lots of trouble for administration, also the police have way more units to help them whereas the criminals are limited. If this was passed, what would happen is that the criminals would probably kill the single cop then run and evade. This rule thats currently here causes a hell of a lot of moaning! :/

[saberman]

Thats exactly why I want this too pass.

Apparently you want it for equality.
Second, even if this so called 'petition' is passed, no affect to the confusion will be made since players who will aid will get punished anyway.

It causes lots of trouble for administration

I do not mind taking care of these cases.

[Salvatore_Zambino]

Apparently you want it for equality.
Second, even if this so called 'petition' is passed, no affect to the confusion will be made since players who will aid will get punished anyway.

Either somehow remove that rule and pass this, or remove that rule of the police not being able to return to the RP. It really is un-fair, OR criminals should be allowed to return.

I do not mind taking care of these cases.

But it may be frustating to some administration. Im trying to show some sympathy towards administration.

[Reece]

I will add my quote once more as it seems you ignored it.

I. Check if the idea has been already posted before
 If it has been denied, it will probably get denied again.
Example: cops not being able to 'return after death'...
 4. Ideas based on "advantages/disadvantages" between cops and suspects (falsely called criminals in most idea topics).
Example: Cops have police bikes so we criminals also want bikes; Cops have free guns and we pay for them, make the cops pay for weapons

These are RULES about ideas. IT WILL NOT HAPPEN.

[Mandam]

The thing i dont get is that cops are alowed to return after death, how the fuk are the Criminals ever supose to win?

[Salvatore_Zambino]

reece, the cops being able to return after death IS NOT my main point. My main point is that friends of /su'd criminals  WHO ARE NOT /SU'D can aid the criminal without getting punished by adminsitration. Purely because of the numbers of the units the police force have. The rule stopping the non /su'd criminals makes it really un-fair because the actuall criminal him/herself has no backup but the police force have like..loads...

The thing i dont get is that cops are alowed to return after death, how the fuk are the Criminals ever supose to win?

I agree, but its not even about winning, its about how the hell are criminals meant to lose there heat!

[saberman]

The thing i dont get is that cops are alowed to return after death, how the fuk are the Criminals ever supose to win?

With shooting around and driving around, yes you're not supposed to.

[Thomas_A]

This will just cause a mess, Im sure If the vote is positive, community managers will shut it down. This so called 'vote' changes server more into DM server. I barely see any groups role playing properly from very beginning to the end. Instead of trying to get yourselves some shooting freedom, try to increase role playing between criminals groups or clans.