President Obama supports gay / same-sex marriage

[Nathan]

The gay marriage I referred to was the icon of Sergius and Bacchius, an openly gay couple who were killed for being Christian. You will see icons where they are displayed wearing a clear marriage bond, with Jesus looking on in approval.

From Wikipedia, "...were third century Roman soldiers..."

Since it's outside the Bible sphere and isn't included in the Canon we have today, I honestly don't see if Jesus approved this or not. But that's strictly my opinion, one can differ.

Having a Protestant background, our teachings say it is wrong and we base it on the Bible.
I have a question for those of the European countries, what rights (if given) are allowed for homosexuals?

[Gandalf]

From Wikipedia, "...were third century Roman soldiers..."

Since it's outside the Bible sphere and isn't included in the Canon we have today, I honestly don't see if Jesus approved this or not. But that's strictly my opinion, one can differ.

Having a Protestant background, our teachings say it is wrong and we base it on the Bible.
I have a question for those of the European countries, what rights (if given) are allowed for homosexuals?

In The Netherlands full equal rights are given to same-sex marriages as to different-sex marriages. The person performing the wedding has a limited right to refuse performing the service if he feels against it based on religious grounds, provided there is a replacement available.

[Pandalink]

Moose, GREAT amount of children adopted by gays, often BECOME gay's THEMSELVES.

Got any source for that?

MANY gays, dont even have children by surrogate mother or anything else. So, THEY DO NOT contribute to humans,

So you're saying that straight couples without children inherently contribute nothing to society?

Guys you realize you're trying to argument with some stubborn brainwashed child? Best thing is to ignore him and let him live in his fairytale really...

I'd love to, but if you do not educate the children then they will not educate their children, and the cycle of ignorance (and hate) will continue forever.
Where his parents have failed to teach him moral values, others must step in to teach and educate.

I have a question for those of the European countries, what rights (if given) are allowed for homosexuals?

In the UK homosexual couples in civil partnerships have the same legal rights as straight married couples, as far as I know.

[Oliver]

In human history there are many, many, many straight guy's that contributed individualy MORE to human society than ALL GAYS EVER ALIVE.

Name one. Jesus Christ doesn't count.

I have a question for those of the European countries, what rights (if given) are allowed for homosexuals?[/font]

Here in Estonia, they don't really have any "rights". They can't get married and, as Jubin stated, can't give blood. Other than that all the laws that apply for straight people go for homosexuals as well.
Homophobia seems to be quite common, but a lot of it doesn't appear to take itself seriously. We have very little instances in which homosexuals are being persecuted by the general public.

[Gimli]

In human history there are many, many, many straight guy's that contributed individualy MORE to human society than ALL GAYS EVER ALIVE.

That's because homosexuals are a minority.

Your sexual orientation is just one of the things that defines you, and thus your contribution to society is irrelevant. It's like comparing the contribution of blonde people to that of brunettes. Baboons that kill homosexuals just because of their orientation certainly do not contribute.

MANY gays, dont even have children by surrogate mother or anything else. So, THEY DO NOT contribute to humans, infact they are making WHITE PLEG spread faster. I bealive you did not take this into your calculation.

Perhaps if you said this 200 years ago you'd be right. Today the world's population is growing very rapidly and not everyone has to contribute in this way.

[Jubin]

We have very little instances in which homosexuals are being persecuted by the general public.

Well first of all we do not have that many public gay figures and even if there is some stories about gays it is more viewed as stories about eccentric people, nothing to do with sexuality at large.

[Leon.]

So, gayness is WRONG.

Your god might think so, and to each their own, but I don't think Christian "morals" advocate curb stomping someone just because they're homosexual.

[aleksandar_gojkovic]

You have not address the point of how many straight couples don't have children, so whats the difference? You also don't seem to have the capacity to understand that someones sexual preference does not change what they do with their life. Think before you respond to something and actually address the argument instead of just throwing around words.

I know ALOT of straight couples. All of em have ATLEAST 1 child.

Name one. Jesus Christ doesn't count.

Nikola Tesla
Albert Ainesteine
Lav Nikolaevic Tolstoj
Bill Gates
Puskin
Winstone Chercile
George Patton
etc..

etc...

That's because homosexuals are a minority.

So? There is (i think) 100 millions or so (again, MY estemation).
Ok, there is 100 millions of them, and 2-3 contributed in any kind of way...

[Pandalink]

I know ALOT of straight couples. All of em have ATLEAST 1 child.

Nikola Tesla
Albert Ainesteine
Lav Nikolaevic Tolstoj
Bill Gates
Puskin
Winstone Chercile
George Patton
etc..

etc...

So? There is (i think) 100 millions or so (again, MY estemation).
Ok, there is 100 millions of them, and 2-3 contributed in any kind of way...

There are several billion heterosexual people, but you only named 7 that contributed. That's an even lower success rate.

Also:
>Winstone Chercile
:o

[Ratko Gavrilovic]

>Winstone Chercile

I love this.

[TruthSvensson]

Wooow, a GREAT contribute to human society!.............NO! (i have some toughts and facts about catholics that are just not sutable for this topic in any way, and i dont support them at all. Ill post it if we get a politics and religion topic some day. All amma say is that am orthodox, and i have my own reasons)

WTF?! Comedian? Wooow, a great use.
Director of the FBI? Heck, he only used to USA, nothing more.
Oscar Wilde? Yes, he did contribute. Writers are extreamly useful.
Stephen Fry? Entertaining? Contributing? Those 2 just dont go togeather.
Alan Turing? Good for him, I support what he did. That guy surely contributed to human society ALL over the world.

You idiot. Comedy and enternatinment are very important. Actually they're one of the things the most important for most of the humanity. Life would be dull and tasteless without them. Don't go disrespecting comedians, entertainters and writers like that. This is really offensive for me. At least comedy doesn't give false hopes to people, it actually makes them happy.

[Dolfagr]

I know ALOT of straight couples. All of em have ATLEAST 1 child.

Nikola Tesla
Albert Ainesteine
Lav Nikolaevic Tolstoj
Bill Gates
Puskin
Winstone Chercile
George Patton
etc..

etc...

So? There is (i think) 100 millions or so (again, MY estemation).
Ok, there is 100 millions of them, and 2-3 contributed in any kind of way...

What about letting homosexuals lead the world? We've seen how straight ones have ruled it so far..

[Salmonella]

Albert Ainesteine
Winstone Chercile

...?

You probably mean Albert Einstein and Winston Churchill. No offence or anything, but knowing how to spell those is basic knowledge.

[SafetyMoose]

I know ALOT of straight couples. All of em have ATLEAST 1 child.

Those are some specific and convincing numbers you provided there  :roll:

[Teddy]

This is only a campaign effort.

Even if he supports "same-sex" marriage, it isn't imposed by Federal Law. So he should run for Governor in each state, then try and get it passed. However, as normally called the "US drinking age" is the same thing, State Law defines drinking age, yet Federal Government "influences" the states to "vote" in favor of federally "suggested" law, so in Theory any state can change its drinking age from 21, to 12 and all the Federal Government could do is well cut funding to the state, which most states wouldn't risk. Yet, I don't see the federal government imposing such a "suggestion" to all states. This would take tremendus efforts, and could would cause massive protests across the states.