President Obama supports gay / same-sex marriage

[Gandalf]

How would you define the difference between "telling the truth" and "stating the facts"?

If you tell the truth, you can be wrong about the facts. If you state the facts, they can not be subjective. Only interpretation of the facts can differ.

[Gandalf]

Why isn't the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster mentioned? :conf:

Not enough active believers. Apart from it being sposored by the Italian Mafia.

[Gandalf]

And it is not their task to speak about religion in the first place. By encouragement and give reasons to believe I meant evidence to support it. And no, I do not mean it specifically for Islam, but other religions as well.

A public school giving education about religion should not do 'recruiting' but limit to objective information. As soon as they start encouraging any kind of religion, they lose their function of public school.

[saberman]

A public school giving education about religion should not do 'recruiting' but limit to objective information. As soon as they start encouraging any kind of religion, they lose their function of public school.

Well, you have a point there but:

Of course this is a very difficult target to accomplish and of course many schools believe it as useless. The training to choose what ever path they wish to choose with a summary and encouragement (includes reasons to believe) will give them (not limited to, however) a clear idea of other  eligions, as I have seen people within Argonath are confused of.

[Gandalf]

The point is that public schools are supposed to be neutral and there for either have to teach a program as I suggested, or none at all. A neutral program could handle psychology of why people believe and discuss the benefits and negatives of religion. However encouraging to believe is something that should never happen on a public school.

[SafetyMoose]

The point is that public schools are supposed to be neutral and there for either have to teach a program as I suggested, or none at all. A neutral program could handle psychology of why people believe and discuss the benefits and negatives of religion. However encouraging to believe is something that should never happen on a public school.

That type of course should be an elective, meaning student schoose to take it, rather then it being a required course for graduation.

[Pandalink]

Good luck finding it.

Why thank you. As someone who does not follow any religion, I did not give up my search for answers and accept an easy one in the form of a religion, and thus I still search for further truths. It is likely that they will not be greatly revealed in any big way within my lifetime, but that's okay because the search for answers itself is what brings great benefits, rather than any kind of specific result.

Not knowing something is what makes people go and try to find out. This is how people (or rather, mankind in general) continues to learn and evolve as a race.

Does it exist?

Of course. There is always a factual answer to any question, whether we know it yet or not.

[aleksandar_gojkovic]

The thing is that if they are taught religion they should be taught the subject in full, not having some people from a religion coming in to recruit.

So here is the program for religion class:

Part 1 : Prehistoric religion
- Archeological evidence of religion worshipping the sun, moon and other natural events

Part 2 : Ancient religion
- Rites of Druids
- Egyptian, Sumerian, Indian and Chinese ancients religious works
- Aztek
- Mayan
- North-American native religions

Part 3 : Multitheism
- Greek
- Roman
- Norsk
- Asian

Part 4 : Modern religion
- Christianity
-- Catholic
-- Orthodox
-- Protestant
-- Mormon
-- Jehovah
- Islam
-- Sunni
-- Shi'ite
- Hinduism
- Buddhism
- Sikhism
- Judaism
- Baha'i
- Confusianism
- Jainism
- Zoroastrianism
- Shinto
- Taoism
- Wicca

From all these religions the following will be mentioned:
- Origin of mankind
- Religious rules
- Manner of praying
- Claims of truth
- Idea of afterlife
- Position against non-believers and other religions

I sincerely doubt that many schools woud dare to give this program in religion class, as it is bound to get protested against by parents.
Also I doubt that any student of this program will choose a religion without being influenced by their community.

You forgot 1 religion:

It is one amongs the first religions of Europe, and it existed from around 7000 B.C. to around 3000 B.C.

It was ancient religion of Serbian people wich celebrated a God-fish that lived in the water. That was because ancient Serbian tribes lived on the shores of danube and out of all they ate they ate 70% of fish, so therefeore theyre God was some kinda of fish God.

It is ancient Serbian religion and it goes under ancient religions along with Egyptian, Aztec, Mayan and North American religions.

Just a correction
Post Merge: June 28, 2012, 10:46:04 pm

Not enough active believers. Apart from it being sposored by the Italian Mafia.

So, flying spaggeti monster church is an OCCULT, a SECT. When a religiouse group breaks apart from original church it becomes a SECT. Also, new religion with such small amount of followers is also a SECT.

[Gandalf]

You forgot 1 religion:

It is one amongs the first religions of Europe, and it existed from around 7000 B.C. to around 3000 B.C.

It was ancient religion of Serbian people wich celebrated a God-fish that lived in the water. That was because ancient Serbian tribes lived on the shores of danube and out of all they ate they ate 70% of fish, so therefeore theyre God was some kinda of fish God.

It is ancient Serbian religion and it goes under ancient religions along with Egyptian, Aztec, Mayan and North American religions.

Just a correction
Post Merge: June 28, 2012, 10:46:04 pmSo, flying spaggeti monster church is an OCCULT, a SECT. When a religiouse group breaks apart from original church it becomes a SECT. Also, new religion with such small amount of followers is also a SECT.

Good catch (pun intended) 
As for it being a sect I would not agree. It is more an anti-religion as a sect.

[aleksandar_gojkovic]

Whell, instead of anti relligion, id prefer to say that that church is made in order to make fun of all religions of the world. Yea, it is just some joke, no matter what those guys say.

[Aksel]

Whell, instead of anti relligion, id prefer to say that that church is made in order to make fun of all religions of the world. Yea, it is just some joke, no matter what those guys say.

Yeah, you guys really like to make fun. Probably why you are all recognized as clowns

[aleksandar_gojkovic]

Yeah, you guys really like to make fun. Probably why you are all recognized as clowns

Why da fuck are you attacking me? Dude, UMAD? Lay off foo! Only clown here is you making posts without any meaning whatsoever.

While i am trying to say something youre acting as an idiot. Just chill.

[SugarD]

The point is that public schools are supposed to be neutral and there for either have to teach a program as I suggested, or none at all. A neutral program could handle psychology of why people believe and discuss the benefits and negatives of religion. However encouraging to believe is something that should never happen on a public school.

Agreed 100%. I sat through a year of Catholic High School, various other years of schools that taught general ideas about various religions throughout history, and lived with an aunt for another year that was a hardcore Jewish believer. I'm Atheist by choice of my beliefs because I chose to learn about religion from a historical point of view, and not judge my personal views on what others have told me, but instead based on facts and opinions presented to me so I could form my own thoughts on the subject.

Most others I know chose to believe what the religions put out from being taught in schools and thus take it as a "truth", rather than a piece of knowledge presented to them from an overall bigger picture, thus making them believe that certain things are facts in themselves, rather than just being contributions to historical reference. Schools also either do not take this problem into account, or they do the opposite and enforce it upon others so they will believe the "bull****" further.

Schools based on religion should not exist. If you want to be taught about a religion, study it specifically. Don't integrate it into other unrelated studies so that biased opinions on believed scientific facts can be skewed to support the religion in question further. I have nothing against religion, but those that try to "convert" others just for the sake of gaining support is ridiculous in my opinion. People should be free to form their own thoughts, and if a specific religion, if any, happens to be true and correct in the end, then the true facts of this world will present it as such instead of using human-made propaganda to sway opinions just like they do in politics.

As for sexuality teachings, I see a pretty obvious and stupid conflict of opinions by the majority of those arguing over the situation throughout the world. We teach in sex education that a man and a woman can get together and have a child. We teach that gay people can have sex and how. Our education system has allowed that to be taught to children in their later years , if they ask, for a long time. Suddenly now that it's being enforced to give them a broader knowledge of the world, it's being seen as swaying the opinion to brainwash children. If this were true, then why is religion...something based on opinions and beliefs...allowed to get away with it in schools when straight/gay/lesbian/bisexual/transexual/etc. sexual preferences are a known fact to exist? People need to get off their high-horses and cool it. If they are worried about brainwashing, then work with others to ensure that it's taught in a neutral way instead of encouraged towards straight, or other, sexual preferences. That way opinion plays no role, and children are not dumbed-down or confused when they go out into the real world and discover that they were hidden from half of what actually exists. Knowledge is power. Opinion is personality. They are not meant to be seen as the same thing. Schools should never present them as such, nor hinder them because they believe they are.

[Aksel]

Why da f**k are you attacking me? Dude, UMAD? Lay off foo! Only clown here is you making posts without any meaning whatsoever.

While i am trying to say something youre acting as an idiot. Just chill.

You are the person thats mad here, trying to restrict every single piece of humanity left in your already restricted mind.

[Sawyer]

Why he should not support same-sex marragie? It's humanity. People should choose their way of life by their own.