To EVERY criminal

[Cofiliano]

You should change the topic tittle "To EVERY suspect" not criminals.


Post Merge: June 22, 2012, 12:38:59 am

you should /gu and go to the PD for investigation. If every player who gets suspected falsely would do this,

Let me explain you how this works out, from the other side. Imagine Im a average criminal player who's a member of an average criminal group.

I go online to have some fun, criminal roleplay. I regroup with my fellow group members. We decide to create some nice criminal roleplay event, such as having a meeting with a rival group about territory issues.  The meeting is setup in 14:00h, after that it will be consider the negotiations are over and the fractions are in war. We sit in 4 cars( lets say in every car there's 3 members). Riding the streets of Los Santos in a convoy, following the traffic rules, going to the desired destination. Cause of the lag, hackers, rammers, what ever reason the convoy is bout to get rammed. Few times. One of those times will be rammed by a cop, or the cars from the convoy will ram out a cop car cause they got rammed as well. Cop who was rammed suspects the guy for "reckless driving" altough they were following all traffic laws. Another cop who's close to it, instantly suspects the other people in the car for aiding. While the criminal members were typing : 'Wtf man, abuse, we didnt do shit why you suspect us' their tires were already taken down 'just in case'. During this time, members from the other cars got suspected as well, for having the same tag, or as some like to call it "aiding".  Some of them gets kicked for moaning or spaming the admins for abuse. While waiting for admins to respond cops already opened fire so one of the cars from the convoy is destroyed.

Now the  situation they're into (and solving it by method number 1):
                                           -They've lost the car and are being shot on.
                                            -They need to /gu and get investigated all one by one, which will take 10-15 min each minimum.
                                            -Even if they manage to prove they didn't do anything, which rarly happens, they'll most likly be /jailed by cops abusers who're waiting at LSPD to jail free suspects.
                                            -When the LSPD is done with them, they wont have their cars for the convoy. One got destroyed, other one despawn cause the owner was kicked for moaning about the abuse that happen, and the third one has flat tires. All 12 of them will stand on it, driving to the closest PnS so they can at least fix the tires so they can go back to their HQ to take the cars. While they're driving to PnS they'll get stopped for a 'routine check' cause its really wierd seeing a car with flat tires full of people and another 7-8 people on top of it. They'll have to pay  a ticket for indangerous driving. At last, they reached the PnS and they've manage to get another car who was there.
                                           -Now finnaly, they can go back to their HQ to get their cars for the convoy so the roleplay would look nice (so they wont show up in a random state owned truck they found and a caddy on the Mafia meeting).
                                           -Cop sees a 2 cars full of Mafia members driving fast toward their HQ. He starts following them, hoping he will caught them doing something bad. Since they are hurrying in up, they speed a bit, and automaticly get suspected for "speeding and evading". Cop claims "I did /m2 when I was behind you" altough he was 500-600 m behind them, close enough just so he can suspect them.
                                          - The suspected person goes with teh cop to the LSPD for /gu and investigation. The rest of people go with him as withnesses of cops missues of /sus. 3 of them continues to the HQ to get the cars to the LSPD, so they would save time while the suspected member gets investigatied.
                                          -Now they're in LSPD waiting for a high rank officer to investigate the suspected member. None answers on the cops demand on /r to come. Cop says : Stay here dont move you /gu'd and he leaves. He doesnt show up in 15 minutes.
                                         -Since they are bad with time, members have to leave the suspected member inside LSPD and go without him. He sits there waiting for someone to investigate him. No one shows up after 25 minutes. He then goes to the closest cop and ask him to jail him.
He gets jail for 180 seconds without investigation and for minor crime.
                                        -The Group picks him up, and against in their nice roleplay convoy they are going toward the destination for the meeting. They got 70 percent chances that the same scenario with teh lag ram >sus for reckless driving>everyting over again is gonna happen to them.
                                       -They had luck this time, and manage to arrive on the place of meeting. Its 15:24, and there's nobody there. They /id Group with which they were having a meeting and sees only one trial member online. They ask him where are the rest of his members, and he says they /q and that they can come rp a meeting tomorrow.
 
Tomorrow they're have a simliliar destiny, deja vu, this time maybe even the other group might have the same 'tour'.



OR(solving it by method number 2):

-They go out and blow the cop who was so smart to open fire on their tires and made himself a valid target in a pure self-defense, and the other cop who needs to be teached not to randomly suspect rest of the people in different car and as well shot their tires 'just in case', they go back in the cars, and drive away to the meeting, arriving in time, and continue doing  what they wanted from the start: have fun, and some nice criminal roleplay.


Now tell me  how many times should 'method number 1'happen in a row, to a group of young teenage people full of puberty, before they gonna lose their nuts, get a "f**k this shit" attitude etc?

 And what would happen if every player/groups If every player who gets suspected falsely would do this? They would basicly go online to get /gu and investigated. And after some time they would stop doing it.

The method number 1 is a true story as well.

[Leon.]

every? lol.

[TheRock]

Trying to win your admin position back so soon by posting such silly topics?

Ok, include in your next topic a tutorial on how to take a shit IG whilst not breaking the rules. Thanks.

No, I know my way to win it and that's not by posting topics, but being in-game .. Topic was made since I'm totally FED up with criminals going after me or shooting me (copbaiting), in order that I go after them And furthermore, if you don't like such type of thread which are useful to our new players, nobody invited you to the thread .. Door's there. *Points the door*

Also Rock since you're creating a topic like this, why don't you create one on how Cops should do their job in game without breaking rules and being abusive.

Sure I will soon! But I need time to make it much detailed for new players to find it easy on how to get on the job and how to not abuse anybody!

Then change topic's name, unless you're saying all criminals are moaners and copbaiters.

I don't think I stated such thing anywhere Message was directed to people who play on the criminal side, and the title will remain the same.

                                          -Now they're in LSPD waiting for a high rank officer to investigate the suspected member. None answers on the cops demand on /r to come. Cop says : Stay here dont move you /gu'd and he leaves. He doesnt show up in 15 minutes.
                                         -Since they are bad with time, members have to leave the suspected member inside LSPD and go without him. He sits there waiting for someone to investigate him. No one shows up after 25 minutes. He then goes to the closest cop and ask him to jail him.
He gets jail for 180 seconds without investigation and for minor crime.

Simple, by explaining the cop that he was already waiting such a long time before accepting to be jailed, would deal the problem.

[Squeak]

Now the  situation they're into (and solving it by method number 1):
                                           -They've lost the car and are being shot on.
                                            -They need to /gu and get investigated all one by one, which will take 10-15 min each minimum.
                                            -Even if they manage to prove they didn't do anything, which rarly happens, they'll most likly be /jailed by cops abusers who're waiting at LSPD to jail free suspects.
                                            -When the LSPD is done with them, they wont have their cars for the convoy. One got destroyed, other one despawn cause the owner was kicked for moaning about the abuse that happen, and the third one has flat tires. All 12 of them will stand on it, driving to the closest PnS so they can at least fix the tires so they can go back to their HQ to take the cars. While they're driving to PnS they'll get stopped for a 'routine check' cause its really wierd seeing a car with flat tires full of people and another 7-8 people on top of it. They'll have to pay  a ticket for indangerous driving. At last, they reached the PnS and they've manage to get another car who was there.
                                           -Now finnaly, they can go back to their HQ to get their cars for the convoy so the roleplay would look nice (so they wont show up in a random state owned truck they found and a caddy on the Mafia meeting).
                                           -Cop sees a 2 cars full of Mafia members driving fast toward their HQ. He starts following them, hoping he will caught them doing something bad. Since they are hurrying in up, they speed a bit, and automaticly get suspected for "speeding and evading". Cop claims "I did /m2 when I was behind you" altough he was 500-600 m behind them, close enough just so he can suspect them.
                                          - The suspected person goes with teh cop to the LSPD for /gu and investigation. The rest of people go with him as withnesses of cops missues of /sus. 3 of them continues to the HQ to get the cars to the LSPD, so they would save time while the suspected member gets investigatied.
                                          -Now they're in LSPD waiting for a high rank officer to investigate the suspected member. None answers on the cops demand on /r to come. Cop says : Stay here dont move you /gu'd and he leaves. He doesnt show up in 15 minutes.
                                         -Since they are bad with time, members have to leave the suspected member inside LSPD and go without him. He sits there waiting for someone to investigate him. No one shows up after 25 minutes. He then goes to the closest cop and ask him to jail him.
He gets jail for 180 seconds without investigation and for minor crime.
                                        -The Group picks him up, and against in their nice roleplay convoy they are going toward the destination for the meeting. They got 70 percent chances that the same scenario with teh lag ram >sus for reckless driving>everyting over again is gonna happen to them.
                                       -They had luck this time, and manage to arrive on the place of meeting. Its 15:24, and there's nobody there. They /id Group with which they were having a meeting and sees only one trial member online. They ask him where are the rest of his members, and he says they /q and that they can come rp a meeting tomorrow.
 
Tomorrow they're have a simliliar destiny, deja vu, this time maybe even the other group might have the same 'tour'.

This post made me cry. every. time.

[SafetyMoose]

You should change the topic tittle "To EVERY suspect" not criminals.


Post Merge: June 22, 2012, 12:38:59 amLet me explain you how this works out, from the other side. Imagine Im a average criminal player who's a member of an average criminal group.

I go online to have some fun, criminal roleplay. I regroup with my fellow group members. We decide to create some nice criminal roleplay event, such as having a meeting with a rival group about territory issues.  The meeting is setup in 14:00h, after that it will be consider the negotiations are over and the fractions are in war. We sit in 4 cars( lets say in every car there's 3 members). Riding the streets of Los Santos in a convoy, following the traffic rules, going to the desired destination. Cause of the lag, hackers, rammers, what ever reason the convoy is bout to get rammed. Few times. One of those times will be rammed by a cop, or the cars from the convoy will ram out a cop car cause they got rammed as well. Cop who was rammed suspects the guy for "reckless driving" altough they were following all traffic laws. Another cop who's close to it, instantly suspects the other people in the car for aiding. While the criminal members were typing : 'Wtf man, abuse, we didnt do shit why you suspect us' their tires were already taken down 'just in case'. During this time, members from the other cars got suspected as well, for having the same tag, or as some like to call it "aiding".  Some of them gets kicked for moaning or spaming the admins for abuse. While waiting for admins to respond cops already opened fire so one of the cars from the convoy is destroyed.

Now the  situation they're into (and solving it by method number 1):
                                           -They've lost the car and are being shot on.
                                            -They need to /gu and get investigated all one by one, which will take 10-15 min each minimum.
                                            -Even if they manage to prove they didn't do anything, which rarly happens, they'll most likly be /jailed by cops abusers who're waiting at LSPD to jail free suspects.
                                            -When the LSPD is done with them, they wont have their cars for the convoy. One got destroyed, other one despawn cause the owner was kicked for moaning about the abuse that happen, and the third one has flat tires. All 12 of them will stand on it, driving to the closest PnS so they can at least fix the tires so they can go back to their HQ to take the cars. While they're driving to PnS they'll get stopped for a 'routine check' cause its really wierd seeing a car with flat tires full of people and another 7-8 people on top of it. They'll have to pay  a ticket for indangerous driving. At last, they reached the PnS and they've manage to get another car who was there.
                                           -Now finnaly, they can go back to their HQ to get their cars for the convoy so the roleplay would look nice (so they wont show up in a random state owned truck they found and a caddy on the Mafia meeting).
                                           -Cop sees a 2 cars full of Mafia members driving fast toward their HQ. He starts following them, hoping he will caught them doing something bad. Since they are hurrying in up, they speed a bit, and automaticly get suspected for "speeding and evading". Cop claims "I did /m2 when I was behind you" altough he was 500-600 m behind them, close enough just so he can suspect them.
                                          - The suspected person goes with teh cop to the LSPD for /gu and investigation. The rest of people go with him as withnesses of cops missues of /sus. 3 of them continues to the HQ to get the cars to the LSPD, so they would save time while the suspected member gets investigatied.
                                          -Now they're in LSPD waiting for a high rank officer to investigate the suspected member. None answers on the cops demand on /r to come. Cop says : Stay here dont move you /gu'd and he leaves. He doesnt show up in 15 minutes.
                                         -Since they are bad with time, members have to leave the suspected member inside LSPD and go without him. He sits there waiting for someone to investigate him. No one shows up after 25 minutes. He then goes to the closest cop and ask him to jail him.
He gets jail for 180 seconds without investigation and for minor crime.
                                        -The Group picks him up, and against in their nice roleplay convoy they are going toward the destination for the meeting. They got 70 percent chances that the same scenario with teh lag ram >sus for reckless driving>everyting over again is gonna happen to them.
                                       -They had luck this time, and manage to arrive on the place of meeting. Its 15:24, and there's nobody there. They /id Group with which they were having a meeting and sees only one trial member online. They ask him where are the rest of his members, and he says they /q and that they can come rp a meeting tomorrow.
 
Tomorrow they're have a simliliar destiny, deja vu, this time maybe even the other group might have the same 'tour'.



OR(solving it by method number 2):

-They go out and blow the cop who was so smart to open fire on their tires and made himself a valid target in a pure self-defense, and the other cop who needs to be teached not to randomly suspect rest of the people in different car and as well shot their tires 'just in case', they go back in the cars, and drive away to the meeting, arriving in time, and continue doing  what they wanted from the start: have fun, and some nice criminal roleplay.


Now tell me  how many times should 'method number 1'happen in a row, to a group of young teenage people full of puberty, before they gonna lose their nuts, get a "f**k this shit" attitude etc?

 And what would happen if every player/groups If every player who gets suspected falsely would do this? They would basicly go online to get /gu and investigated. And after some time they would stop doing it.

The method number 1 is a true story as well.

[Adam.]

I have had WAY too many instances where I will be sitting on the side of the road, a freecop hits ME, /HITS ME/, and yet somehow I get suspected for "ramming police officer" or some random bullshit like that. Now that's a bit outrageous wouldn't you think? Don't even give me the "Teach the cop" or the "/gu and investigate" bullshit. I have one objective, do what I need to, without any problems. I, the player in Argonath, should not be obligated to teach every fucking freecop that abuses me. Why is the ARPD there? To Serve and to Protect, not Kill and Suspect. NOT KILL AND SUSPECT. If this is their motto, shouldn't they me teaching their brand new cops? There is almost ALWAYS an SAPD Cadet+ online. A cadet already know the ropes. Therefore, the Cadet should be the one teaching the freecop or any other SAPD officer online, not the criminals who don't roleplay being police. I am not here to start a flame war or provoke anybody, but I am tired of the police stating that their "/gu and investigate" system is perfect. Every time I see that I want to flip my desk over and walk away. Hopefuly, this helps out with the opinion of the players, and can help change the "opinion" of SAPD command staff, in hopefully changing how these people think, and perhaps making Argonath a safer place.

Warm regards,

Adam

[Orel]

[aeva]

People that take an online game this seriously honestly are turning it into something too realistic, something which San Andreas was never meant to be as a base game. One hour doing one investigation? I've got better stuff to do than to sit in front of a computer for one straight hour pretending to defend myself and my rights to a bunch of, from what I've experienced, corrupted cops. It also is very stupid, in my opinion, to have to give up because of a cop's ignorance, as if it's my fault. Whenever I try to give my opinion about it, I get banana'd or get the "Hurr /gu". And before you start telling me to "teach them", how come I was never taught anything? I was never told regulations or anything. Even while being taken into training, I never followed any regulation. I'm sure they can do the same.

http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=26033.msg241452

That's for me, for any others, you'll surely find some here.
http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?board=55.0

[/aeva]
im with you bro

[duffman]

I don't think I stated such thing anywhere Message was directed to people who play on the criminal side, and the title will remain the same.

By this post I imagine you think the police side is perfect, right? get your facts straight

[TheRock]

By this post I imagine you think the police side is perfect, right? get your facts straight

I believe thats something you should do, if you had actually read the whole post you would understand that I don't think what you said, but I'm also planing to create a detailed guide for new players on how to be fair on their duty.. But ofcourse, tl;dr ye?

[duffman]

I believe thats something you should do, if you had actually read the whole post you would understand that I don't think what you said, but I'm also planing to create a detailed guide for new players on how to be fair on their duty.. But ofcourse, tl;dr ye?

Much talking less work, thats the deal as everyone see. That will not work, IF YOU ACTUALLY READ THE POSTS.

The ones who actually dm are the old players. Most of them ex-SAPD or current-SWAT. They just buy guns and armor, and decide its not worth jailing people so they decide to pew pew on the spot.

[CharlieKasper]

You should indeed get your fucking facts straight. You made this topic with this name as you thought that all the criminals are same. Sorry- but you don't have any proper knowledg e on criminals here.

[Krueger]

Try to RP with cops --> they report you for copbaiting --> admin punishes you
Try to not RP with cops --> you get suspected for "not complying" or something

Of course this does not happen all the time with all of the cops.. some of them are cool 

[ChasKa]

Please give me at least one time and date when this happened.
If you can not use the banana rule.

Sorry,I have forgotten the date of it but have video recorded.
Although it's not happen when I drive a car and get suspected but hope you watch it too see if it is actually the case or people are just "exaggerating" and still in a untouchable believe that "cop abuse" do not exist in Argonath.
SA-MP copcrime
Post Merge: June 22, 2012, 02:26:33 pm

Criminals:
You guys are meant to evade the police, not go after them randomly to any cop you see or follow them on purpose so they will go after you. Copbaiting is against the rules!
( :ps: Purposely doing it will get you heavily punished, can be dealt with a ban/kick or even a weapons revoke plus serve in Admin-Jail.)

I prefer my own way to deal with them when I'm suspected.
I killed a cop,my wanted level increased.
A cop kill me,he earns and I will be punished for 1K.Fair deal.

If you don't like my ways,then roll and don't come and say OMG copbaiter,DMer when people with pretty uniform are being raped by 10 people who carrying guns on the street,telling blue dot folks to roll 100times and still like a Superhero spraying them with one powerful deagle ,LMFAO and when being killed,shouting OMG DMer,Cophunter.
How Irony.

Post Merge: June 22, 2012, 02:34:13 pm

No, I know my way to win it and that's not by posting topics, but being in-game .. Topic was made since I'm totally FED up with criminals going after me or shooting me (copbaiting), in order that I go after them And furthermore, if you don't like such type of thread which are useful to our new players, nobody invited you to the thread .. Door's there.

If you're fed up because of some criminal chase you and shoot you,then I can surely allege that I'm 100times more fed up than you with cops

Nothing to argue about.
SA-MP copcrime

[Ratko Gavrilovic]

^@ That video, those are the morons ruining the server.

[Biggo2]

^@ That video, those are the morons ruining the server.

Not to mention they do it all the fucking time.