ARPD Command Mix up ?

[Morphine]

Err no...

The only admins in there are Axxo, Legend and Marcus

It seems you did not understand what he wrote.

[SugarD]

The job of the Administrative team is different from that of the VC:MP VCPD Command Staff's. Admins would copban for breaking server rules on the duty skin, whereas VC:MP VCPD Command Staff would copban based on corrupt actions taken while on duty. It's not the Admin's job to handle RP'ed corruption, nor is it VC:MP VCPD Command Staff's job to do administrative server work, hence why both should have the ability to copban users. If a user just happens to be in both groups, that is purely a coincidence.

[Kessu]

The job of the Administrative team is different from that of the VC:MP VCPD Command Staff's. Admins would copban for breaking server rules on the duty skin, whereas VC:MP VCPD Command Staff would copban based on corrupt actions taken while on duty. It's not the Admin's job to handle RP'ed corruption, nor is it VC:MP VCPD Command Staff's job to do administrative server work, hence why both should have the ability to copban users. If a user just happens to be in both groups, that is purely a coincidence.

VCMPs playerbase is so small that it'd give copban rights to 4(?) new players? I see pros and cons of this, but to me it's not really a problem if Senior officers+ can copban.

EDIT: With "new players" I mean ARPD staff with rank higher than senior officer.

[SugarD]

Well I wouldn't personally give it to Senior Officers either, but that's just my personal opinion. I do agree that VC:MP VCPD Command Staff should have the ability though.

[Kessu]

Well I wouldn't personally give it to Senior Officers either, but that's just my personal opinion. I do agree that VC:MP VCPD Command Staff should have the ability though.

That consist of Admins already.

[stormeus]

If players are command staff, they're trusted not to screw up with these commands, and chances are they're already administrators (but maybe not). If they screw up, you punish them. So my question is, what exactly is the problem with formally giving some rights to them? I've already asked what the big deal is and the only response I've gotten is "They're not admins," and personally I don't see that as sufficient unless untreatable abuse can be pointed out.

[Kessu]

If players are command staff, they're trusted not to screw up with these commands, and chances are they're already administrators (but maybe not). If they screw up, you punish them. So my question is, what exactly is the problem with formally giving some rights to them? I've already asked what the big deal is and the only response I've gotten is "They're not admins," and personally I don't see that as sufficient unless untreatable abuse can be pointed out.

There is no problem as I said, but what's the real point of giving ARPD command staff the right to copban when it already is made of lvl 3 (or higher) admins who can copban?

Uncrime I could give to FBI and ARPD command staff. Copban only for admins imo as it should rather be used as a punishment (harder than words or a warn). ARPD can deal with admins about (free)cops who abuse their rights.

[Willy]

Cop ban for corrupt cops WTF?

Now you want to say, I cant become a corrupt cop... What is the use of bribing? Get that cop cop-ban...

Get to the hands of law, give that cop a penalty and work things out manually.
That's why I said, no authority to ARPD on cop- banning people...

Cop ban to be provoked only if cops DM. (AND this comes very much under every admin's authority.)

[stormeus]

Get to the hands of law, give that cop a penalty and work things out manually.

What penalty, exactly? You can't take away their badge despite the fact that they're corrupt. Look at this court case for example; corrupt cop goes on-duty, conspires with bank robbers, feeds false information back to HQ, and then shoots down the Deputy Chief's helicopter. What are we supposed to do, take away his donuts?

[Kessu]

What penalty, exactly? You can't take away their badge despite the fact that they're corrupt. Look at this court case for example; corrupt cop goes on-duty, conspires with bank robbers, feeds false information back to HQ, and then shoots down the Deputy Chief's helicopter. What are we supposed to do, take away his donuts?

Can you even copban an admin?

Anyways, I'd suggest to "freeze" his bank account and take away ~10% funds to repay the damage that has been dealt. IF the cop gets caught, of course (log check would not approve and it'd need a court case, not straightout admin act).

[Marcell]

Monetary punishment does not fit certain actions such as overuse of violence or helping criminals when on duty by shooting at other cops

[Klaus]

Look, no administrative power will be given to those who are part of a roleplaying group. It's as simple as that. Administrative powers such as banning players are solely for the admin team to enforce the rules; not to enforce roleplay punishment.

[stormeus]

Look, no administrative power will be given to those who are part of a roleplaying group. It's as simple as that. Administrative powers such as banning players are solely for the admin team to enforce the rules; not to enforce roleplay punishment.

You mean like /c enable and /c disable?

[~Legend~]

I don't think all the commands we've talked about here are necessarily administrative.

/c uncrime seems fine as a tool for VCPD senior staff as they'd be able to use it if an investigation clears someone's charges, for instance, or if they are released on some sort of bail for roleplay purposes.

A cop ban function that goes beyond A-Team might be more debatable. The ban is not an outright permanent ban from being a police officer, just to mention, by the way.

Maybe it'd be best to encourage VCPD seniors to hold up good communication with Admin staff to solve problems if and when necessary.

[Klaus]

VCPD seniors to hold up good communication with Admin staff

Since the head figures of VCPD are admins themselves I'd be surprised that they don't already have good communication with the admin staff.