Tests hint at possible Arafat poisoning

[SafetyMoose]

We do already know that he was poisoned in a way or another, we do not exactly care about the way he was poisoned.

The way means everything. You can be poisoned simply by eating under cooked food. The way he was killed helps us understand who did it, or if he did it to himself. Nothing says Israel did it.

[Rami]

The way means everything. You can be poisoned simply by eating under cooked food. The way he was killed helps us understand who did it, or if he did it to himself.

We do already know that he was poisoned in a way or another, we do not exactly care about the way it was done.
But we and many people around the world, know in our hearts the suspect.

Nothing says Israel did it.

Arafat's dream, and every Palestinian/Arab's dream was setting up and creating the State of Palestine. This completely does not go along with interests, neither USA's in the region.

All Arabs and many people around the world do believe that Israel is the suspect, but unfortunately, solid evidences are hard to get.

[Void]

I would just like to add the following: Try debating instead of provoking each other. Everyone watches and listen to the news here, Rami is not the only case.
Nowadays, media takes care of creating public opinion. With that task at hand, they can afford themselves to mislead us because most of human principles are nothing but bonds/agreements between people. Media and the government are one of them.
How do you guys know your opinion is true and Rami's is false? Just because he has the capability to bias?

I'm remaining neutral on this subject as I await further development of the case. As for the rest of you, try not to heat this discussion any further.

[Gandalf]

Interesting. If I remember well at the time it was mainly Hamas who wanted to kill Arafat as he had a stronghold on power in the Palestine areas. And now its Israel whodiddit, killed the single guy who had influence enough to stop the fighting at least temporarily?
If he was murdered, there is zero proof Israel is guilty. Also zero proof Hamas is guilty btw, but logical thinking would point at an enemy, not a possible ally.

Now as for your pity war.
Palestine was never a country. People living there were too lazy to form one, and neighbours considered it a worthless piece of desert. Only after the Israelians showed you can build cities and plant trees people got interest in the piece of desert and try to take it away.
People worked hard to build a country, to make the soil fertile, to build houses and roads.
And some lazy asses were sitting and looking, and became jealous since all they had were 3 camels and a goat. So they decided to shout they were there first and wanted their country.

And as usual their religion cooperates in this, as it trains them to be a victim. Zionist claim to be the chosen people and all others should be their slaves, Muslims claim they are the chosen people and all others should be their slaves. See any difference there ? Neither do I.

Perhaps you do not know that there are places where they show how Palestines are making movies or riots and shootings, with actors instead of soldiers.
Perhaps you do not know that Gaza has modern shopping centers where you can buy anything.
Perhaps you do not know that all people get to see is carefully directed propaganda from all sides.

The is one solution. Stop to fight. Look at Ghandi (not Gandy you foo') and decide to stop the violence and sit down. You want your country ? Stop fighting for it. Accept Zionists are people too. Accept that people who worked hard and invested their money in building a country will not give it up because you scream and jump like a 3-year old.

Stop being a victim. Be a man. It does not take courage to fight who you hate. It takes courage not to fight who you hate and make peace with them.

[SafetyMoose]

Interesting. If I remember well at the time it was mainly Hamas who wanted to kill Arafat as he had a stronghold on power in the Palestine areas. And now its Israel whodiddit, killed the single guy who had influence enough to stop the fighting at least temporarily?
If he was murdered, there is zero proof Israel is guilty. Also zero proof Hamas is guilty btw, but logical thinking would point at an enemy, not a possible ally.

Now as for your pity war.
Palestine was never a country. People living there were too lazy to form one, and neighbours considered it a worthless piece of desert. Only after the Israelians showed you can build cities and plant trees people got interest in the piece of desert and try to take it away.
People worked hard to build a country, to make the soil fertile, to build houses and roads.
And some lazy asses were sitting and looking, and became jealous since all they had were 3 camels and a goat. So they decided to shout they were there first and wanted their country.

And as usual their religion cooperates in this, as it trains them to be a victim. Zionist claim to be the chosen people and all others should be their slaves, Muslims claim they are the chosen people and all others should be their slaves. See any difference there ? Neither do I.

Perhaps you do not know that there are places where they show how Palestines are making movies or riots and shootings, with actors instead of soldiers.
Perhaps you do not know that Gaza has modern shopping centers where you can buy anything.
Perhaps you do not know that all people get to see is carefully directed propaganda from all sides.

The is one solution. Stop to fight. Look at Ghandi (not Gandy you foo') and decide to stop the violence and sit down. You want your country ? Stop fighting for it. Accept Zionists are people too. Accept that people who worked hard and invested their money in building a country will not give it up because you scream and jump like a 3-year old.

Stop being a victim. Be a man. It does not take courage to fight who you hate. It takes courage not to fight who you hate and make peace with them.

Well, thats one way to put it, I tried to be a little nicer then my usual self but Gandalf knows how to put things

[Jellyfish]

They needed someone with enough conviction to lead their communities and form seperate countries. But shit has gone far beyond that point now. But on the bright side, we're all dying at the end of this year, right?

[Rami]

Interesting. If I remember well at the time it was mainly Hamas who wanted to kill Arafat as he had a stronghold on power in the Palestine areas. And now its Israel whodiddit, killed the single guy who had influence enough to stop the fighting at least temporarily?
If he was murdered, there is zero proof Israel is guilty. Also zero proof Hamas is guilty btw, but logical thinking would point at an enemy, not a possible ally.

Well, I don't think you remember well then.
Hammas-PA problems started in 2006-2007, which are 2-3 years after Arafat was killed. Problems between Hammas and PA were never exist before then.

Now as for your pity war.
Palestine was never a country. People living there were too lazy to form one, and neighbours considered it a worthless piece of desert. Only after the Israelians showed you can build cities and plant trees people got interest in the piece of desert and try to take it away.
People worked hard to build a country, to make the soil fertile, to build houses and roads.
And some lazy asses were sitting and looking, and became jealous since all they had were 3 camels and a goat. So they decided to shout they were there first and wanted their country.

Nations started to rise after the beginning of the 20th century. In 1917 (Just at the beginning of 20th century), the Levant was invaded by British forces under the name of "British Mandate". This was completely negative for the whole Levant, including Palestine.
So how do you expect us to be able to build modern cities during an invasion?

We are a nation that had a rough time in our history, out of an invasion, and in another.

And as usual their religion cooperates in this, as it trains them to be a victim. Zionist claim to be the chosen people and all others should be their slaves, Muslims claim they are the chosen people and all others should be their slaves. See any difference there ? Neither do I.

Islam never, ever, stated that other nations/peoples are slaves. Islam is against slavery, and it started being forbidden 1500 years ago.
Islam teaches us to be friendly to other nations, weather their religions are. But if they attempt to harm us, we won't go along with it and say its fine.

Get your facts right.

Perhaps you do not know that there are places where they show how Palestines are making movies or riots and shootings, with actors instead of soldiers.
Perhaps you do not know that Gaza has modern shopping centers where you can buy anything.
Perhaps you do not know that all people get to see is carefully directed propaganda from all sides.

Sorry, just two possibilities, either you are drunk, or high.
I've been to Gaza in 2010 to check out my relatives after the war, 3 members of my aunt's family were missing.
Houses, mosques, universities, UN HQ's & branches, even hospitals were doomed.

The is one solution. Stop to fight. Look at Ghandi (not Gandy you foo') and decide to stop the violence and sit down. You want your country ? Stop fighting for it. Accept Zionists are people too. Accept that people who worked hard and invested their money in building a country will not give it up because you scream and jump like a 3-year old.

Stop fighting for my own right after all what my people suffered? And after all what I personally & my family suffered? Just No, unless a truthful honest peace is signed by both governments, where my country gets it's full rights, an official Palestinian State on the borders of 1967.

If you are willing to start a flamewar, I'm out of this. I won't really go down to such level and start insulting other nations according to wrong thoughts that I got from a disinformation'ed media.

Stop being a victim. Be a man. It does not take courage to fight who you hate. It takes courage not to fight who you hate and make peace with them.

Be man? Hmm .. Probably a description that many spoiled westerns misses it.
Real men are made here, in Palestine.
We have suffered enough along the past decades.
We are the only occupied nation on earth till today.

Trust me .. Real men are made in Palestine.

[Oliver]

Did you know that Mark Zuckerberg is Jewish and without him Facebook will be never created. Thanks to him can we keep the connect from the other side of the earth.

Did you know that Bill Gates is Jewish without him the operation system Window will be never made. Now Microsoft is the most popular operation system ever always soo good and safe.

Hating Israel and hating the Jews are two completely different f*cking things.
Israel is the most belligerent nation that wants to see everyone else crash and burn (I don't remember the name of the strategy, but Israel has plans that when they're about to get destroyed, they'll send missles to a lot of other countries like Italy to assure that they don't go down alone), while the Jews are mostly ordinary people like you and I. Every damn religion/nationality/race has their black sheep, for the Jews it's Israel.

I must add that: Israel is those smartest people then comes China. Beacuse their brain are overpower, when i mean with overpower. I mean they know what they doing.

Do you actually f*cking believe that?

They are doing that for protect their own country. I have seen some video their Palestina kids throws stone at Isreal. That is not OKEY !

That's like saying that if a Jewish boy had thrown a rock at a Panzerkampfwagen in 1942 then the concentration camps would've been completely justified.
Israel is f*cking worse than Nazi Germany, at least the Nazis gave the world more good things than bad (scientific breakthroughs, advances in medicine, advances in social security etc).

[SafetyMoose]

Israel is f*cking worse than Nazi Germany, at least the Nazis gave the world more good things than bad (scientific breakthroughs, advances in medicine, advances in social security etc).

You obviously know nothing about israel if you think they have not contributed anything to the world. For one, they are the leaders in desalination technology, they have a space program, advanced agricultural technology programs, and currently have one of the most advanced stem cell research labs in the world.


get your facts stright.

[Rami]

You obviously know nothing about israel if you think they have not contributed anything to the world. For one, they are the leaders in desalination technology, they have a space program, advanced agricultural technology programs, and currently have one of the most advanced stem cell research labs in the world.

get your facts stright.

Why do you think that YOU know more than him?

And let me think about what Israel brought to the world ... Hmmm, oh yeah, problems in Middle East .. 10 million refugees, occupied nations .. Killed innocent civilians .. Oh, and an UZI!

[SafetyMoose]

Why do you think that YOU know more than him?

And let me think about what Israel brought to the world ... Hmmm, oh yeah, problems in Middle East .. 10 million refugees, occupied nations .. Killed innocent civilians .. Oh, and an UZI!

Your the one starting all the problems, Last time I checked your not even a country, so what gives you the right to demand the rights on one?

i know more then him becuase its common knowledge that israel is the tech capitol of the middle east, and that their achievements are well known across the planet. He obviously has no education and should not be making remarks comparing Israel to nazi germany.

[Oliver]

You obviously know nothing about israel if you think they have not contributed anything to the world. For one, they are the leaders in desalination technology, they have a space program, advanced agricultural technology programs, and currently have one of the most advanced stem cell research labs in the world.

How exactly are any of those (save for the stem sell research, I'll grant you that, but a lot of other nations are researching it as well) beneficial to the world?
Notice how I said "more good things than bad", implying that they have given us some good things.

Your the one starting all the problems, Last time I checked your not even a country, so what gives you the right to demand the rights on one?

Last time I checked, you're a completely and utterly ignorant Canadian who believes that Serbians stab eachother to kill time. You have no right to announce whether a country has the right to exist or not.

[SafetyMoose]

How exactly are any of those (save for the stem sell research, I'll grant you that, but a lot of other nations are researching it as well) beneficial to the world?

My first point, desalination tech, allows people who live in dry parts of the world to convert salt water to drinkable fresh water. That tech has saved millions of lives in parts of the world with no fresh water. Go do some research and you will see that Israel pumps out more tech that helps the world then any other middle east country. I would go ahead and say Estonia has no world saving contributions either, but im not as ignorant as you are.
Post Merge: July 06, 2012, 11:20:39 pm

Last time I checked, you're a completely and utterly ignorant Canadian who believes that Serbians stab eachother to kill time. You have no right to announce whether a country has the right to exist or not.

You call me Ignorant, yet your the one the who says Israel has not given the world anything and is the same as Nazi Germany, You even had to audacity to say Nazi Germany gave more benefits then negatives. No one but a Nazi themselves would ever say that. Go educate yourself for the love of god.

[Oliver]

I would go ahead and say Estonia has no world saving contributions either, but im not as ignorant as you are.

Do we bomb schools with white phosphorus or occupy another country illegally? No, we do not.

[SafetyMoose]

Do we bomb schools with white phosphorus or occupy another country illegally? No, we do not.

Palestine is not a recognised Country so the occupation is not illegal.