FBI & SWAT

[JDC]

lol

Don't speak about what you don't know.

[~Legend~]

Don't speak about what you don't know.

Hehe, and I don't know what he's speaking about. 

[Kessu]

I hear someone is taking a suggestion little too personally. Chill out JDC, it's just an IDEA. You could give some enlightment to us, if you feel like we know jackshit of your FBI. Just sayin' the FBI there is now is just not what it is supposed to be.

[JDC]

I do not take kindly to moves that will attempt to undercut or impede any reforms we in VCPD-CMD are executing.

Recently, I have begun and spearheaded Operation 'Reform VCPD'... this is aimed at ensuring the quality of the VCPD and removing those officers with sub-par performance (i.e: /c rambocops) that you people keep complaining about, as well as the enforcement of stricter standards for both staff and applicants, with anyone who refuses to get in shape (in accordance with our standards) being removed. It is the best we can do to increase the quality of law enforcement on the server.

However, our movement is restricted to VC:MP VCPD only as the VC:MP Management has opted not to give us any direct method of controlling all law enforcement on the server. This means that there is nothing we can do about complaints or misdeeds done by cops outside VCPD.

As for FBI, it has in itself been collecting information, with the [EAF] case being the biggest case (so far) that VC:MP VCPD has ever worked on (unless there are cases in unseen archives not visible even to the VCPD Chief)... so you can say FBI is not all about speeding around in cheetahs and head-shotting bank robbers with M4/snipers. If what we have been doing is not in line with how the FBI is supposed to work, then nothing is.

[Kessu]

I do not take kindly to moves that will attempt to undercut or impede any reforms we in VCPD-CMD are executing.

Recently, I have begun and spearheaded Operation 'Reform VCPD'... this is aimed at ensuring the quality of the VCPD and removing those officers with sub-par performance (i.e: /c rambocops) that you people keep complaining about, as well as the enforcement of stricter standards for both staff and applicants, with anyone who refuses to get in shape (in accordance with our standards) being removed. It is the best we can do to increase the quality of law enforcement on the server.

However, our movement is restricted to VC:MP VCPD only as the VC:MP Management has opted not to give us any direct method of controlling all law enforcement on the server. This means that there is nothing we can do about complaints or misdeeds done by cops outside VCPD.

As for FBI, it has in itself been collecting information, with the [EAF] case being the biggest case (so far) that VC:MP VCPD has ever worked on (unless there are cases in unseen archives not visible even to the VCPD Chief)... so you can say FBI is not all about speeding around in cheetahs and head-shotting bank robbers with M4/snipers. If what we have been doing is not in line with how the FBI is supposed to work, then nothing is.

I'm not saying nothing is in line with how you should be doing as FBI, but the constant usage of stealth IN COMBAT purpose (read; using spaz, m4s, mp5s) and not even knowing you have a sniper, is just plain wrong. /c stealth was invented for investigation / sniper support role, not to go around blipless for the advantage it gives you over criminals. Therefore I (myself) requested the removal of FBIs M4 and MP5 (and laser to give it to swat along with /c stealth), but it could also be done by removing the M4 and leaving FBI with mp5 and sniper with stealth.

Inb4 someone says I used it whole day, yes, I did. The only day I could've been a FBI, I used it all day long.

[Huntsman]

FBI in VCMP was made more like SWAT as we all see it.. They storm in the bankrobs... Simply theyre performing SWAT duties when SWAT is not there... /c stealth shouldnt be there in the first case, it was VCID's command, not FBI's.

That problem with SWAT inactivity. SWAT can always be expanded.

[Klaus]

The only reason /c stealth is used is to gain an advantage while hunting suspects.

[stormeus]

The only reason /c stealth is used is to gain an advantage while hunting suspects.

Then obviously you haven't noticed agents using it during surveillance, meaning it's working.

[Kessu]

Then obviously you haven't noticed agents using it during surveillance, meaning it's working.

You considering a requlation for using /c stealth to gain HUGE advantage over criminals in a battle? Snipers I understand, but not the rushers.

[Klaus]

Then obviously you haven't noticed agents using it during surveillance, meaning it's working.

Not really, since we know whose FBI (and when they're ingame) and its pretty easy to count blips and use /c dis. The amount of times /c stealth is used in combat excels that of any other use its been involved in.

[Marcell]

I'm pretty sure there was idea regarding /c stealth and in the end we came to conclusion it should disable automatically as soon as 'agent' takes damage, yet it was never implemented

[stormeus]

I'm pretty sure there was idea regarding /c stealth and in the end we came to conclusion it should disable automatically as soon as 'agent' takes damage, yet it was never implemented

It's impossible to implement until 2.0.

[~Legend~]

FBI has made a lot of headway on the surveillance, gathering intel front.

FBI in VCMP was made more like SWAT as we all see it.. They storm in the bankrobs... Simply theyre performing SWAT duties when SWAT is not there... /c stealth shouldnt be there in the first case, it was VCID's command, not FBI's.

That problem with SWAT inactivity. SWAT can always be expanded.

It would be (more) difficult for the FBI to perform SWAT roles (and vice versa) simply due to their differences in equipment.
- Note: Already mentioned earlier.

[JDC]

/c stealth was invented for investigation / sniper support role, not to go around blipless for the advantage it gives you over criminals.

give it to swat along with /c stealth

Your proposal in itself is contradictory, as you are pointing out that stealth should not be used for combat when you want to give it to SWAT, which in itself is designed only for combat. It only shows that your intention is to weaken the FBI's capabilities.

You considering a requlation for using /c stealth to gain HUGE advantage over criminals in a battle? Snipers I understand, but not the rushers.

I myself use stealth while sniping... although I have also allowed the usage of it in combat when Agents are hopelessly outnumbered. When the day comes that gangs do not fight while camping in gang HQs that have thousands and thousands of weapons (which FBI does not, as I run out of M4 often), I will reconsider that decision.

There is a balance in place, between FBI's equipment (the meager firepower and stealth) and the firepower gangs have which is on SWAT levels (except it is not free), so there is no "unfair advantage". Interesting how the criminals in this topic want to derail the balance so as for it to be in their favor.

Simply theyre performing SWAT duties when SWAT is not there...

Which is how it was done in the VCPD even since the early MTA:VC era, and even in other servers... when SWAT was not available and the cops couldn't handle it, FBI assists. Thanks for pointing out how we are performing one of our jobs well.


All I see in this topic are attempts to weaken the FBI, when everyone supporting that cause is ignorant of the information we have collected in our line of duty. You should be, as it is classified information after all.

Nonetheless, FBI is performing its tasks as it should, so I see no reason for our equipment to be decided by people who make all the wrong assumptions as they do not  even know everything we do (and are supposed to do).

[Kessu]

Your proposal in itself is contradictory, as you are pointing out that stealth should not be used for combat when you want to give it to SWAT, which in itself is designed only for combat. It only shows that your intention is to weaken the FBI's capabilities.

You're not getting my point with usage of stealth. SWAT would get it ONLY with that one class with only a colt and a sniper in it. No stealth for BWAT, gear 3 or w/e, only the one class.

FBI with cops are rarely outnumbered when one of your agents starts using stealth. Infact, he uses it all the time he is chasing, no matter with the wanted level or how many criminals there are. If there's EAF tag included, it means automatic /c stealth on the agent I am talking about.