Where did all the roleplay go?

[Chris_Knight]

Looks like all you expect from Argonath is real life roleplay and you can't call your self a veterans if the only thing you can do is come here,moan and say it never turned to RL RP so this sux .   

There is those who rulebreak,there is those who chase orange dots,there is those who avoid roleplay when it have advantage over them in scenario.

However there is either those who are great roleplayers as an officers,there is those who no matter what goes down in they scenario remains in roleplay closing eyes on disadvantage they have.

You can't come here and accuse community as whole (Teddy pointed it out in his post) and claim server is not as it were.

Server is same,owners are same,people are different. If you wish to change it then lead by example like Jcs does instead of coming here ,pointing out your whenmade and then claiming your an experiencing member of this community who crawls out of his rl rp things and finds an proper time to shit on something he claims he have been apart of.

[rJCaiG]

I never accused the entire community of having no Roleplay - I gave three scenarios where I believed no roleplay was given back to my attempts. A few people in here have taken my words very far out of context and see it as an attack on the whole community. If I didn't like what this community had become, why would I still be here? If I wasn't satisfied with the roleplay I was getting on a whole, why would I connect?
This topic was simply made to bring to light the laziness of a few individuals, not to make it seem as though I hated this community.

If you guys cannot read my post before posting and continue to go off topic and accuse me of shits I did not say, I will lock the topic and report your post.

[Seskom]

Looks like all you expect from Argonath is real life roleplay and you can't call your self a veterans if the only thing you can do is come here,moan and say it never turned to RL RP so this sux .   

There is those who rulebreak,there is those who chase orange dots,there is those who avoid roleplay when it have advantage over them in scenario.

However there is either those who are great roleplayers as an officers,there is those who no matter what goes down in they scenario remains in roleplay closing eyes on disadvantage they have.

You can't come here and accuse community as whole (Teddy pointed it out in his post) and claim server is not as it were.

Server is same,owners are same,people are different. If you wish to change it then lead by example like Jcs does instead of coming here ,pointing out your whenmade and then claiming your an experiencing member of this community who crawls out of his rl rp things and finds an proper time to shit on something he claims he have been apart of.

That's exactly what I'm talking about, if someone begins to get longer /me commands or roleplay abit more realisticly person with attitude like Chris will show up accusing them in beeing some leet roleplayers and they shit on the server. That's why many old people left, the community did not accept them because they roleplayed diffrently, this is a freeroam server, I can't see why you gotta hate someone for beeing diffrent then the rest?

No RL RP things do not ruin the server they just make it much more freeroam, if people would stop accusing others for their RP style. People roleplay superman, some sell shampkoo why should the more serious roleplay be treated diffrently then selling shampkoo which gives you superpower?

I do not seriously get this why are so many people against more realisitic RP and try to make people who roleplay like that to leave? Why don't you treat everyone equal?

[Devin]

That's exactly what I'm talking about, if someone begins to get longer /me commands or roleplay abit more realisticly person with attitude like Chris will show up accusing them in beeing some leet roleplayers and they shit on the server. That's why many old people left, the community did not accept them because they roleplayed diffrently, this is a freeroam server, I can't see why you gotta hate someone for beeing diffrent then the rest?

No RL RP things do not ruin the server they just make it much more freeroam, if people would stop accusing others for their RP style. People roleplay superman, some sell shampkoo why should the more serious roleplay be treated diffrently then selling shampkoo which gives you superpower?

I do not seriously get this why are so many people against more realisitic RP and try to make people who roleplay like that to leave? Why don't you treat everyone equal?

You've got a point, many old players were chased away after being disrespected and harassed by others about their way they express Role-play.
Even though you have a point all of this needs to be toned down a bit before an argument erupts.

[Ratko Gavrilovic]

New players on Argonath (the majority) have no idea on how to initiate RP.
They do however know how to make money which requires no knowledge of RP.
And it's very nice that Jcstodds roleplays every day but it is not even close to what the server was in 2009.
If you want the server to roleplay, involve the majority of the server, not just a small amount.
Also stop caring about money but try to interact with players more.

[Mashgash]

It's pretty simple... Gandalf and others from the HQ have said it multiple times - Newcommers repeat what they see. If they see players ram and shoot eachother for no reason they will think that is the right thing to do.

If you are not able to obey the rules you have nothing to do here.
If you ignore rulebreakers and gets revenge by rulebreak you are nothing else then a rulebreaker and a terrible rolemodel.
If you complain at newcommers and accuse them of abusing, how do you expect them to learn and remain in the server?

I hear daily "What do not he got punished?!" - Do you seriously expect me, as an administrator, to issue a temporary ban on a newcommer who have been deathmatching because he spotted a "gangwar" there nothing else then bullets got exhanged? Majority of you are terrible on leading by example and all you do is complain on the current status of the community but what are you doing to improve it? I have seen few extremely good attempts since my return from my two weeks "vacation" but I have seen far more complains and rage quits. It is understandable that you, as a "normal" player don't wish to instruct newcommers as you think it is not your duty but do not complain next time you being abused by the same player.

Either you do something or you don't.

[Chris_Knight]

That's exactly what I'm talking about, if someone begins to get longer /me commands or roleplay abit more realisticly person with attitude like Chris will show up accusing them in beeing some leet roleplayers and they shit on the server. That's why many old people left, the community did not accept them because they roleplayed diffrently, this is a freeroam server, I can't see why you gotta hate someone for beeing diffrent then the rest?

No RL RP things do not ruin the server they just make it much more freeroam, if people would stop accusing others for their RP style. People roleplay superman, some sell shampkoo why should the more serious roleplay be treated diffrently then selling shampkoo which gives you superpower?

I do not seriously get this why are so many people against more realisitic RP and try to make people who roleplay like that to leave? Why don't you treat everyone equal?

I haven't said anything regarding someones ability to roleplay,you misunderstood this pretty badly. I pointed out that people complaining about others being lazy of roleplay,should be the ones trying improve it instead. Pointing to RL RP I pointed to main fact regarding forced roleplay which most of moaners complain about. I forced him rp,he don't want,he bad.  This is free roleplay gaming and it's not when ever you roleplay one side mafiosi using bunch of /me or doing /me is spiderman while being an officer arresting criminal.

How you represent your roleplay is up to you but you shouldn't force upon someone else your believes how it should be done either.

I like serious roleplay equally to simple one and have no judgement between them,none should. And if we are discussing when ever we are lacking roleplay or not then let's not forget that we can't force players to roleplay so we shouldn't complain about it either.

[Kirgiz]

How about turning off money system on the server, just for a goddamn day? Everybody gets money absolutely deleted, everything you can get for free. Guns, cars, houses, property - nothing requires money.

After that, everyone will decide whether they're on the server for roleplay or for money.

[Matt Murdock]

New players on Argonath (the majority) have no idea on how to initiate RP.

You sir, is wrong.

How about turning off money system on the server, just for a goddamn day? Everybody gets money absolutely deleted, everything you can get for free. Guns, cars, houses, property - nothing requires money.

After that, everyone will decide whether they're on the server for roleplay or for money.

Nothx.

Also I completely agree with Mash's post.

[Kirgiz]

Also I completely agree with Mash's post.

May I kindly ask what's keeping you from it? You personally?

[Teddy]

Why should there be a debate between if this is RL RP or mixed RP?

I mean, if you like Real life Roleplay, then find others who do and RP along with them. If your more open about RP, then find others. I honestly can not seem to find what the challenge is here. Money can be a tool in RP, so getting rid of it is senseless. Use the tools you have to make the best of RP, anims, money, drugs, and even guns. Yes, you can use a gun without DM... do most? Not really. But this is GTA, so some level of gun-violence is first nature of the game.

People need to wake up to see that Roleplay exists, you need to just find it and embrace it. Someone doesn't RP? fu*ck them, let it go and move on to find others who will.

[Seskom]

Why should there be a debate between if this is RL RP or mixed RP?

That's what I'm trying to say, everything should be accepted.

[Mashgash]

May I kindly ask what's keeping you from it? You personally?

That is the sort of attitude that makes me take away players right to play on the server temporary.

[Kirgiz]

That is the sort of attitude that makes me take away players right to play on the server temporary.

Because I require elaboration on why? Same as saying this server is shit and not explaining why, or telling you are a bad person and dont explain why. These are just examples of what I mean, or you do not like constructive criticism that much, Mash?

In any case, stay on topic, we do not discuss admin regulations and general attitude here.

[JDC]

There are people here in this community whose roleplay does not necessarily match those of the older veteran population, yet not ostracized by the community nor seen by the administration as a problem.

Those who were ostracized from Argonath for "having a different view" were not looked upon negatively for having a different view... the actual reason is that they choose to express themselves with complete disregard for how our community works and without respect for the opinions of others who are different from them.

Argonath is a community of many players, of many playing styles. We do not have anything against diversity in this community. Rather, what we cannot accept are people who come into this community and express themselves while without respect for how our community works, which includes expressing views contrary to our community.


Someone mentioned that the Argonath community cannot take criticisms... that is not the case. Those who have "criticized" the community have either expressed nothing but moans destructive criticism, or tried to change the community to suit their own vision. Do not confuse those with positive criticism, as it has been proven over time that the Admin HQ does take actions if the players see something genuinely wrong rather than simply complaining for complaining's sake.

If someone cannot respect how the Argonath system works (which includes not trying to change the community to suit their own vision), they are better off leaving.