North Korea seeks immediate food aid after floods

[JayL]

Wow. I don't even know how to address the obvious disregard of logic. So, I'm not going to. Just wow.

You can do even better by not posting at all if you don't want to discuss anything.

[Teddy]

You can do even better by not posting at all if you don't want to discuss anything.

Or I can make it address the point that this isn't even logical and has gone from civilians needing aid to a political and military argument.

[Wolfe]

A truce is a halt to agression, and how can there be aggression if the units are on border inside own territory?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10129703

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/5391720/North-Korea-abandons-truce-and-threatens-to-attack-the-South.html


But you'll probably pull the "Media is always lying" Always the same thing Jay, you support things that are just plain wrong, no I do not agree with the US involving itself in every fucking war, but I also do not agree with dictartors living in palaces and having fun while their people are dying in the streets. And I do wonder if you could live in such place, our government steals a shit ton of money from the people so they can buy their Ipad's and travels, and you disagree with that, yet you agree on a fucking dictator taking the money of his people with the excuse of him being the supreme leader, and use it at his will to have fun investing in a failure of a rocket that couldn't even get off the earth, or buying huge ass mansions and having his little army to play.

Or do you think he lives in a small shack and he does that to defend the "Freedom" of his people.

[JDC]

Kim Jong Un is no longer defending his people. We have all seen the pictures of him and his generals around lavish and first-class food, fit for royalty to eat, while his people starve on the streets. If the legitimacy of a government is based on how well it can uphold is responsibility of protecting its people and maximizing their good, then the government of the North has long lost whatever legitimacy it had left. Saying that Kim Jong Un needs these nuclear missiles to defend these people is like saying Argonath should create safeguards to protect us from people outside this community for the reason that everyone who enters here is a DMer, hacker, traitor, shitter, and flamer; it's completely exaggerated and illogical.

We have all seen that the dictator would rather invest in nuclear bombs to use for defense against non-existent threats of war (as the South would rather continue developing itself than waste time on an unnecessary effort such as destroying the North), than defend his people from the problems that are destroying them from the inside. As Teddy said, this is pure and complete disregard of logic. You do not need nuclear missiles to defend the North, especially when it already has the more well-defended side of the Demilitarized Zone.

If you truly want to defend its people, then you will focus on eliminating the food and disaster crises, rather than spending millions of dollars (dollars which could have been used to uplift the already poor standard of living) on a failure of a missile that could not even stay aloft for more than a few minutes, in addition to turning the country into an international laughingstock.

Right now, the situation of North Korea is more like that of a sick dog that chooses to stay away from everyone, and threatens hell to those who enter its territory. The passerby can disregard the dog's threats, as they do not carry any real weight, even though the noise the dog makes irritates a lot of people. However, when it rains, the normally hostile dog whimpers and scratches on the doors nearby, begging to be let in as it cannot stand the rain. You can see the double standard there.

[JayL]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10129703

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/5391720/North-Korea-abandons-truce-and-threatens-to-attack-the-South.html


But you'll probably pull the "Media is always lying" Always the same thing Jay, you support things that are just plain wrong, no I do not agree with the US involving itself in every f**king war, but I also do not agree with dictartors living in palaces and having fun while their people are dying in the streets. And I do wonder if you could live in such place, our government steals a shit ton of money from the people so they can buy their Ipad's and travels, and you disagree with that, yet you agree on a f**king dictator taking the money of his people with the excuse of him being the supreme leader, and use it at his will to have fun investing in a failure of a rocket that couldn't even get off the earth, or buying huge ass mansions and having his little army to play.

You should go make a romantic painting of North Korea, seeing as how you love idealised descriptions. And lol, taking money of his people. How can he have hobby of taking money from his people if they are all poor starving peasants as it is being put here in this topic?

@JDC:

well done comparing argonath and north korea, makes your post extremely legitimate
and you do not need to write a huge wall of text to make your wish that NK suffers an attack and its order completely disrupted look beautiful

[Huntsman]

How dumb can people become? You would believe american media brainwashing you that North Korea is the evil one, while South Korea is the state of angels.. Bull fucking shit. North Korea refused to lick US ass, thats why they make an evil out of them.

[Teddy]

Still, the topic continues far off path and those responsible for keeping it on take it further off. Amazing.

My statement before remains true, this isn't a political debate. It isn't even part of the topic.

How dumb can people become? You would believe american media brainwashing you that North Korea is the evil one, while South Korea is the state of angels.. Bull f**king shit. North Korea refused to lick US ass, thats why they make an evil out of them.

You my young friend, are very very misled or delusional. I don't watch american news corporations when it comes to strongly political issues such as this.

this isn't a political debate. It isn't even part of the topic.

Not clear enough..

this isn't a political debate. It isn't even part of the topic.

this isn't a political debate. It isn't even part of the topic.

this isn't a political debate. It isn't even part of the topic.

this isn't a political debate. It isn't even part of the topic.

this isn't a political debate. It isn't even part of the topic.

this isn't a political debate. It isn't even part of the topic.

[JayL]

Still, the topic continues far off path and those responsible for keeping it on take it further off. Amazing.

What do you propose to be discussed here? If rubber ducks should be included in the international aid to North Korea?

[Wolfe]

You should go make a romantic painting of North Korea, seeing as how you love idealised descriptions. And lol, taking money of his people. How can he have hobby of taking money from his people if they are all poor starving peasants as it is being put here in this topic?

@JDC:

well done comparing argonath and north korea, makes your post extremely legitimate
and you do not need to write a huge wall of text to make your wish that NK suffers an attack and its order completely disrupted look beautiful

Well, usually when a dictator leader takes the money off taxes and basicly everything, and dumbs it into nuclear bombs and a failure of a rocket, it actually makes such country economy go to hell, therefore, making the people fucking poor.

And I do advise that you learn the meaning of  a metaphor.

And Tedd, what do you want us to discuss over this topic ? the topic is North Korea seeks aid after floods, considering it's political position, and isolation from the outside world, there's no way to avoid this conversation.

[Teddy]

What do you propose to be discussed here? If rubber ducks should be included in the international aid to North Korea?

  Unbelievable.

[Wolfe]

Unbelievable.

What are you so stunned about ? It is obvious we have to discuss North Korea political system in such topic, or else it's what Jay said, if we we're discussing food aids after floods in Brazil, we'd probably be discussing how our government is shit and doesn't invest in protection matters for such things.

[Aksel]

Oh yes, capitalism does suck, but Communism is certainly not the way to go.

It absolutely is. The only reason you express that kind of opinion, is because communism has never been done successfully in the world. You may think Cuba is communistic? No. Many nations call themselves communistic now a days, but there is usually a one-party dictatorship leading the country, except the base of communism, which is power to the people. That's the usual mistake most revolutions happen to do. They manage to throw the dictator off the throne, and wants to make a socialistic state, but forgets to give the power back to the inhabitans, and keeps it themselves.

Communism looks extraordinary on the paper, but sadly, it has not been tried to be done successfully in practice.

[Wolfe]

It absolutely is. The only reason you express that kind of opinion, is because communism has never been done successfully in the world. You may think Cuba is communistic? No. Many nations call themselves communistic now a days, but there is usually a one-party dictatorship leading the country, except the base of communism, which is power to the people. That's the usual mistake most revolutions happen to do. They manage to throw the dictator off the throne, and wants to make a socialistic state, but forgets to give the power back to the inhabitans, and keeps it themselves.

Communism looks extraordinary on the paper, but sadly, it has not been tried to be done successfully in practice.

Kinda of what I meant, i mean, I agree, communism is a great idea, but the in every attempt to make it, the human being greedy nature fucked it up and ended in a weird type of dictatorship.

[Alsatian]

The problem with Communism and the reason it won't work is because it removes the incentive for people to work hard for the good of the country. You all share the work load, and at the end of the day get the same pay as everyone else, so why would you break your back anymore than you need to at work.

It's a shame, really, because the idea of Communism is brilliant, but it is dependent on a society full of good, cooperative and hard-working individuals - we all know this not to be the case.

[JayL]

Unbelievable.

An exemplar way of conducting a debate. So once again, what do you propose we discuss here?