Possible /dice cheat?

[Teddy]

This topic is prove enough that everyone shit on his question and just trash it right away. Yes, I do know about development, that's why I think this should be checked. Yeah, you're right, xcasio said it might be a chance.. Even if it was 0.00000000000000001 percent chance that it is a possible dice trick, then it should of course be considered! Even Betsson is more random than Argonath, so go and cool the f**k down.

And yeah, as I've stated in my earlier topic about the same thing is that I've checked this for a long time of period, NOW I want the developers to take a look.

Look, your right it isn't random. 100% purely out of someones ass isn't possible.






Any of this make sense? No.

Listen, it can't be made any better. Make it not use a generation of random numbers would require it to be manually generated which would actually lead to it be able to be abused. There are more complex random number generators but this one is perfectly able to suffice. I'm perfectly fine here also, I think your the one who needs to calm down over a game and simple script with virtual money that works perfectly fine.

[Conroy]

http://www.random.org/integers/?num=1&min=1&max=6&col=1&base=10&format=plain&rnd=new

Our numbers are generated from that website, you can test it for yourself

[McGarrett]

Look, your right it isn't random. 100% purely out of someones ass isn't possible.






Any of this make sense? No.

Listen, it can't be made any better. Make it not use a generation of random numbers would require it to be manually generated which would actually lead to it be able to be abused. There are more complex random number generators but this one is perfectly able to suffice. I'm perfectly fine here also, I think your the one who needs to calm down over a game and simple script with virtual money that works perfectly fine.

Perfectly five. Try gambling over time and you realize it isn't about luck in Argonath, it's about knowledge of tricks. I want this game to be tactical like IRL, but it's not. I'm calm and fine, but you're ignoring what I say with stupid arguments. And yes, you would know that mathematic form you added, if you would be able to study it. But, it seems as none here is able to study anything according to this topic. You're not even willing to study if it is actually randomness or something else that bugs it.

http://www.random.org/integers/?num=1&min=1&max=6&col=1&base=10&format=plain&rnd=new

Our numbers are generated from that website, you can test it for yourself

Indeed, that one is random, though. Try to look at other "random number" sites there is and try to make a script with it, try to see who's the most random. then you look into this topic and what has been added to it, and then you will come with an conclusion about which one is the most random.

[Pandalink]

I'm not the developer here, but if there's any way I can help, I will be there. I am not standing here trying to prove something for nothing.

If you genuinely think that the /dice system is not random, then make a video of yourself generating 20 6's in a row without one flaw.
Given that the mathematical chance of you getting even 6 rolls of the same (initially specified) number for any given 6 consecutive dice rolls is ~1 in 50000, I don't fancy your chances.

But go on, if you're so sure.

[Teddy]

Perfectly five. Try gambling over time and you realize it isn't about luck in Argonath, it's about knowledge of tricks. I want this game to be tactical like IRL, but it's not. I'm calm and fine, but you're ignoring what I say with stupid arguments. And yes, you would know that mathematic form you added, if you would be able to study it. But, it seems as none here is able to study anything according to this topic. You're not even willing to study if it is actually randomness or something else that bugs it.
Post Merge: August 10, 2012, 01:54:07 amIndeed, that one is random, though. Try to look at other "random number" sites there is and try to make a script with it, try to see who's the most random. then you look into this topic and what has been added to it, and then you will come with an conclution about which one is the most random.

Ok, let me know the next time Stephen Hawking is playing. I have some questions to ask him.

In seriousness, many people can't preform these mathematical formulas in their head in a matter of seconds. So, yes you are right.. they could but it would take them a few minutes at the least to do it. You also have to understand many of the players here are still in High School or equivalent so they won't be able to preform this level of math in a month. I am assuring you, player to player. Developer, maybe not of pawno, but I know on a professional scale many other languages that use those exact formulas, this isn't easily abusable and it is my absolute best assurance that I can say nobody in Argoanth has the ability to preform that level of math in such a short time. Even so, they don't know the seed, or how the seed works, so they'd have to hack the scripts to find out....

[McGarrett]

Ok, let me know the next time Stephen Hawking is playing. I have some questions to ask him.

In seriousness, many people can't preform these mathematical formulas in their head in a matter of seconds. So, yes you are right.. they could but it would take them a few minutes at the least to do it. You also have to understand many of the players here are still in High School or equivalent so they won't be able to preform this level of math in a month. I am assuring you, player to player. Developer, maybe not of pawno, but I know on a professional scale many other languages that use those exact formulas, this isn't easily abusable and it is my absolute best assurance that I can say nobody in Argoanth has the ability to preform that level of math in such a short time. Even so, they don't know the seed, or how the seed works, so they'd have to hack the scripts to find out....

Ok, if you are absolutely 100 percent sure, as you seem to be here, on who's life are you swearing on? Let's say you swear on your daughters life, that means there are not any possibilities to be wrong, you would not be wrong. But I am one hundred percent sure, if I told you to swear on your daughters life(if you have one), then you would hesitate because it's first then you realize that you might be wrong, am I correct?

This is a way to think about things, yes it's a horrible way, but it's a way that will make you be 100 percent sure about it.

[Jubin]

Look, your right it isn't random. 100% purely out of someones ass isn't possible.






Any of this make sense? No.
.

Source function(don't know the actual word in English) F that is dependent on variable b is equal to an integral from minus infinity to b of the function f that is dependent of the variable b'.
Function F value is between 0 and 1 and the variable b changes from minus infinity to infinity. Also when the value is minus infinity the value is 0 and value is 1 when b is equal to infinity.
Function F(b)[explained before] is equal to c.
b is equal to a reversed function that is dependent on c.

So, nothing really hard to understand there.

[Teddy]

Ok, if you are absolutely 100 percent sure, as you seem to be here, on who's life are you swearing on? Let's say you swear on your daughters life, that means there are not any possibilities to be wrong, you would not be wrong. But I am one hundred percent sure, if I told you to swear on your daughters life(if you have one), then you would hesitate because it's first then you realize that you might be wrong, am I correct?

This is a way to think about things, yes it's a horrible way, but it's a way that will make you be 100 percent sure about it.

I'm saying it could be possible to do, but is very highly unlikely that it can be done in such time.

So, nothing really hard to understand there.

You don't count xD

[Devin]

And this is still going, how many more times will people have to define the word "Random".

[Marcell]

Perfectly five. Try gambling over time and you realize it isn't about luck in Argonath, it's about knowledge of tricks. I want this game to be tactical like IRL, but it's not. I'm calm and fine, but you're ignoring what I say with stupid arguments. And yes, you would know that mathematic form you added, if you would be able to study it. But, it seems as none here is able to study anything according to this topic. You're not even willing to study if it is actually randomness or something else that bugs it.
Indeed, that one is random, though. Try to look at other "random number" sites there is and try to make a script with it, try to see who's the most random. then you look into this topic and what has been added to it, and then you will come with an conclusion about which one is the most random.

THERE ISNT ANYTHING SUCH AS 'MOST RANDOM' OMG! the only way to do it 'more random' would be adding more numbers to be able to show up! is that so hard to understand?

no, killing 2000 cops and having 50 combat and 2 condoms in inventory doesnt affect ANYTHING, because the dice script itself is not connected to any other script, its STANDALONE.

[Jubin]

http://www.random.org/integers/?num=1&min=1&max=6&col=1&base=10&format=plain&rnd=new

Our numbers are generated from that website, you can test it for yourself

Indeed, that one is random, though. Try to look at other "random number" sites there is and try to make a script with it, try to see who's the most random. then you look into this topic and what has been added to it, and then you will come with an conclusion about which one is the most random.

As you said that one is random. So anything else would be worse now would it? But if you think it is not random ok, let me enlighten you how they get their random number, what Argonath also uses.
Main aspect about is atmospheric noise. It's a white noise mainly produced by electric charges from lightnings. So lightning near creates bigger noise and lightning further away creates less noise and all the lightnings over the earth combined makes atmospheric noise. Also the center of our Galaxy, the milky way influences the atmospheric noise. So in order to predict the change of atmospheric noise you must know how all of the lightnings all over the earth moves, including the ones that are between clouds, which ones dissapears, how the clouds are forming, wind direction and speed etc. Also how earth is moving relative to the center of Milky Way. If you know all of that you can calculate the atmospheric noise and even predict it at any given time. Well done. So then you must also know what the site that Conroy gave you does with the atmospheric number. It probably uses it in it's own function. If you also know that function than you can predict the number any given time on that site and hence-fore in Argonath.
So get cracking!

[Teddy]

Trial Run A:
1
4
2
5
4
3
3
6
5
5
Trial Run B:
1
2
4
1
2
3
2
6
2
6

This was ran on a LUA windows environment using the same source Conroy provided; both 10 times.

and a third just to sea the deal.
4
1
6
3
6
6
4
5
2
1

I'll even provide the code used.

Code: [Select]

require("math")
require("socket")
require("math_source")
local file = io.open("temp.txt", "w")
for i=1,10 do
 x = math.random(6)
 print(x)
 file:write(x .. "\n")
end
file:close()
io.read()


[Gandalf]

I'm not the developer here, but if there's any way I can help, I will be there. I am not standing here trying to prove something for nothing.

You are not following logic here. Gimli and Conroy made the script to be as random as humanly possible.
Now if you believe there is any trick that works, you are invited to use it, logs will show the clear results.
You do not need unlimited money, as if there is any trick it works just as well with $1 or nothing at all as with $1million.
The obligation to provide evidence for an extraordinary claim lies with those who make it.
Now put up or shut up.

[Impurity]

This discussion is pointless.

[iDavid]

For a cheat for this to be created you would need our script, hence it hasn't happened.

Topic locked.