UK Threatens to enter Ecuador Embassy to arrest Wikileaks' Julian Assan

[JayL]

You both make claims against the United States, or other governments not even when they aren't even involved in the article or topic also, his Wiki-leaks isn't involved either. This is about a man wanted for rape, just a very infamous and notable for some other major crimes around the world; still forth not really on topic. So, stay on topic for starters.

We're discussing a man who pissed off the USA - so yes he is related and get over it...
We're discussing a guy whose actions are what caused all the attention on the political asylum subject - so yes it is related and get over it...

Can you stop bossing around what people want to discuss or not?

[Teddy]

We're discussing a man who pissed off the USA - so yes he is related and get over it...
We're discussing a guy whose actions are what caused all the attention on the political asylum subject - so yes it is related and get over it...

Can you stop bossing around what people want to discuss or not?

Not bossing, just stating the rules. Sorry your vision is too clouded to see it.

I see no point in arguing with you over it, I've learned you have a set of opinions and an attitude that is single visioned without chance of discussion, exactly like you claim the rest of the world is. Ironic.

@JDC, I didn't mean it harshly against you by what I said, its just the problem here isn't American laws nor the laws of any other country in the world nor is it that the US Government thinks the information they are keeping from us and the world is information that is best withheld. It is about a man who has sexually assaulted two innocent people and now that country is seeking justice against him and it so happens the United Kingdom is where he is holding out, in a protected area for the country of Ecuador, an embassy. Now the United Kingdom is tasked with arresting the said suspect before he attempts to flea the country and justice.

Honestly, its avoidable that political discussions happen in this case. But there is no need to attack a country in which views or perspectives are wrong or not seen to your agenda, which again is all you do JayL... again Ironic. While I'm not defending the United States' view here either, I'm for the freedom of information. Do I agree with everything my country says, does, or laws it imposes? No. I disapprove with more of than I approve of. Does this mean I hate my country? fu*k no, I still love my country as every other patriotic person would. So keep that in mind before you take your single viewed stabs at other countries. Just Like you, I'm sure you have your agreements and disagreements with your countries polices and actions; if you don't that'll be 3/3 on irony. Sorry if it came off harsh, but thats the truth. Face it or don't.

As far as on topic. You have one country threatening an act of war against another, but honestly in my opinion I don't see much of a problem, considering Ecuador has 1/6th the population of the United Kingdom and a standing army tripple that of Ecuador, thus Ecuador won't take any action against the United Kingdom.  If the United Kingdom doesn't move in for political reasons, send in Interpol then, they are protected by more international treaties that Ecuador wouldn't be able to do anything about it as they too are under that same treaty which would allow Interpol to arrest a wanted fugitive in their country, as Interpol does have Julian as one of the most wanted, they have every right to walk in their and arrest him on site.

[JDC]

How do we know for sure that the rape charges are not conjured by one of Assange's numerous political enemies?

Thinking logically, setting up a rape case against someone would be an easier approach (less controversy, less mess) than putting him on the FBI/CIA's top wanted list and announcing it for the entire world to see as they did with Bin Laden.

[Teddy]

How do we know for sure that the rape charges are not conjured by one of Assange's numerous political enemies?

Thinking logically, setting up a rape case against someone would be an easier approach (less controversy, less mess) than putting him on the FBI/CIA's top wanted list and announcing it for the entire world to see as they did with Bin Laden.

This is very possible and sort of likely, considering the timeline as well. These allegations were announced after the major Wikileaks incident which sparked international interest in Assanage, however as I know first hand truth or not, he still has other changes to answer to around the world and its only a matter of time before he will have to answer to those higher level changes, if he is even guilty of them of couse. After reviewing the charges, It seems as the law is written, Assanage was not one of responsibility thus can not be liable for the security of these documents. He may have been the one to publish the, but not the source of the leak. A lesser change of accessory after the fact, and capital conspiracy to commit Espionage can be charged against him; However, that is only my interpretation of the law and I am far from a legal expert or a Judge so I am not sure how it will swing. The DOJ has taken bigger swings at bigger targets and managed to hit the nail on the head.

[Exterminator]

This is very possible and sort of likely, considering the timeline as well. These allegations were announced after the major Wikileaks incident which sparked international interest in Assanage, however as I know first hand truth or not, he still has other changes to answer to around the world and its only a matter of time before he will have to answer to those higher level changes, if he is even guilty of them of couse. After reviewing the charges, It seems as the law is written, Assanage was not one of responsibility thus can not be liable for the security of these documents. He may have been the one to publish the, but not the source of the leak. A lesser change of accessory after the fact, and capital conspiracy to commit Espionage can be charged against him; However, that is only my interpretation of the law and I am far from a legal expert or a Judge so I am not sure how it will swing. The DOJ has taken bigger swings at bigger targets and managed to hit the nail on the head.

Thats what the law says, doesnt mean that he will still have to answer to them if he suddenly "vanishes" or "changes his name and runs away"

[Taylor_P]

Thats what the law says, doesnt mean that he will still have to answer to them if he suddenly "vanishes" or "changes his name and runs away"

Yes but doing that will make him on the FBI,CIA,Interpool's MOST wanted list, also as stated before It would prove redundant for the UK to declare a state of war for one person, and would further ruin South American Diplomacy, and lets face a nation like the UK doesnt really need to go to war, Also I'd ask any citizen of the UK Do you want to go to war with some South American county over someone who found out your nations naughty secretes that the government didnt want you to know?

Diplomacy and Bureaucracy will play this out but as in other threads if this man truely wants to be free from western powers he should seek refuge in nations that hold some sway or nations that the west wouldn't go to war over for one person.

[Exterminator]

Yes but doing that will make him on the FBI,CIA,Interpool's MOST wanted list, also as stated before It would prove redundant for the UK to declare a state of war for one person, and would further ruin South American Diplomacy, and lets face a nation like the UK doesnt really need to go to war, Also I'd ask any citizen of the UK Do you want to go to war with some South American county over someone who found out your nations naughty secretes that the government didnt want you to know?

Diplomacy and Bureaucracy will play this out but as in other threads if this man truely wants to be free from western powers he should seek refuge in nations that hold some sway or nations that the west wouldn't go to war over for one person.

I was being sarcastic. American secret services have a long history of pulling jacks like what i mentioned.

[Teddy]

I was being sarcastic. American secret services have a long history of pulling jacks like what i mentioned.

Welcome to the Internet, sarcasm doesn't convey well over it xD. But I know what you mean in a sense. Sure Osama Bin Laden was pro hide and seek champion yet thanks many years of work and various intelligence agencies world wide were able to locate him. Its only a matter of time, before Assange is located and arrested or mysteriously dies in a freak accident courtesy of the CIA.

[JayL]

Not bossing, just stating the rules. Sorry your vision is too clouded to see it.

I see no point in arguing with you over it, I've learned you have a set of opinions and an attitude that is single visioned without chance of discussion, exactly like you claim the rest of the world is. Ironic.

Distorting rules, that's what you meant to say. Refer to previous post for explanation. And besides, discussing something and coming with things such as ''you are breaking rules'' or ''lol why do you always have to hate this'' are different things. Way or another, the warning was given.

Taylor: I don't think everyone would just sit with arms crossed if UK was to declare war because of the Assange thing. What would happen most likely is a call for sanctions or some kind of ''strangling attempt'' as was done with a couple nations already that also fell in the ''terrorism'' subject like I replied a few pages back.

[Reece]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2191185/Julian-Assange-exile-Britain-gives-Ecuador-aid-Wikileaks-Assange-protected.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

[JDC]

Why doesn't he just get himself out in a diplomatic crate, seeing as they are forbidden from being seized and opened under international law?

Foreign Secretary William Hague yesterday faced demands to stop Britain’s aid programme in Ecuador in protest at its support for the WikiLeaks fugitive.

Hague should be ashamed of himself. The fact that Assange takes refuge at the Ecuadorian embassy does not justify withdrawing aid from the Ecuadorian citizens. The things politicians do to support their political agenda. :roll:

[Mikal]

Britain confirmed he wont be given a peaceful passage out of britain, in other words if he trys to leave the embassy they will arrest him, thats if they don't enter and arrest him first.
The British governments not going to want to waste too much time and money just standing round the embassy waiting for him to exit, if I were in-charge I would have already entered and arrested him for his crimes without worrying what Ecuador has to say, whats the worst they can do ay?

[JDC]

Hard to believe how they overlook simple solutions in a situation such as this.

While Britain can still arrest him if he steps out into British soil, there is no law(?) permitting them to open diplomatic packages between embassies that are protected under international law.

[Mikal]

Hard to believe how they overlook simple solutions in a situation such as this.

While Britain can still arrest him if he steps out into British soil, there is no law(?) permitting them to open diplomatic packages between embassies that are protected under international law.

Well by the looks on it Britain will just be standing outside 24/7 until Ecuador gets tired of holding him and kicks him out, TBH there should be some law on embassy's holding wanted criminals under such diplomatic status to stop the country the embassy is in from arresting the person, either way Ecuador can't keep him in there forever.

[Taylor_P]

Well by the looks on it Britain will just be standing outside 24/7 until Ecuador gets tired of holding him and kicks him out, TBH there should be some law on embassy's holding wanted criminals under such diplomatic status to stop the country the embassy is in from arresting the person, either way Ecuador can't keep him in there forever.

There is a Law, however Ecuador has given Assan pretty much the same rights as a citizen of Ecuador and at this point if the UK broke into to arrest him it would be Kidnapping and if taken to the World Court it would be something stupid that could lead to a war as I doubt China or Russia would not take kindly to the UK saying in essence saying"Fuck your sovereignty were the UK". Not to mention the amount of Global politics that would be in a huge uproar. However take this for an example what if Ecuador is supported by its neighbors, what if nations put sanctions on the UK and refuse to provide them with there goods, Alot of Food products come from the South American region, and just like that overnight the supply of said items to the UK stopped, Prices would raise higher the Oil and that would hurt the economy of the UK. Thanks to the world being so inter dependent on other nations a strong military is not always the only way to bring a nation to there knee's.