War with Iran is imminent, says the media.

[Mikal]

Lets just give Salmonella and JayL a gun and see who dies first so this argument can be over. :m4: :sig:

[EenBeeFour]

lolwut

Operation Barbarossa

Operation Haifisch

Operation Harpune


Post Merge: September 30, 2012, 02:21:58 am

A typical Russian man "hanging around" in German occupied Russian territory



Diggy diggy hole, diggy diggy hole


Just adding a bit of black humour to the topic.

[TheGreasyChopper]

At least the Soviets didn't kill unrelated civilians simply because they were Jews.

 Yeah, Soviets killed them not only for being jews, innocent young men, teenagers, were killed just because they refused to run into the concentrated MG42 fire. 
 JayL, you seriously have to stop basing all your facts on Red Propaganda, and look on the things from a neutral side...Let me tell you a little thing that happened back in the Occup- I mean Liberation of Poland by the Red Army. There was this village in which soviet soldiers resided while they were going into Nazi Occupied Poland. There they were welcomed and treated well, so far so good right? Well, for many Russian soldiers, this was the first time they saw a toilet in their lives. It was 1945, and a large portion of the Soviet troops haven't seen a toilet in their lives! So, what's the first thing that happens when they see the toilet? They are amazed by this "new creation", as they go down on their knees and start drinking the water from it, thinking its some new kind of sink or whatever...
 You can't expect me to believe that a bunch of savages who just walked out of the Russian marshes and forests, rounded up by Commisars from the villages, were superior to the Mighty German Wehrmacht and the Schutzstaffel's Panzer Divisions. The German Military was YEARS ahead of the others. They were the ones who invented Tank Warfare, they were the ones who implied the Blitzkrieg, they were the ones who invented the Assault Rifle, they created the rockets used to land on the moon...And what did the Soviets create? Ways to drop Vodka into Stalingrad, but not use them to drop supplies...SMGs that can be tilted and used as chairs...Massive quantities of Vodka...Man, that's some heavy military stuff!

[EenBeeFour]

Yeah, Soviets killed them not only for being jews, innocent young men, teenagers, were killed just because they refused to run into the concentrated MG42 fire. 
 JayL, you seriously have to stop basing all your facts on Red Propaganda, and look on the things from a neutral side...Let me tell you a little thing that happened back in the Occup- I mean Liberation of Poland by the Red Army. There was this village in which soviet soldiers resided while they were going into Nazi Occupied Poland. There they were welcomed and treated well, so far so good right? Well, for many Russian soldiers, this was the first time they saw a toilet in their lives. It was 1945, and a large portion of the Soviet troops haven't seen a toilet in their lives! So, what's the first thing that happens when they see the toilet? They are amazed by this "new creation", as they go down on their knees and start drinking the water from it, thinking its some new kind of sink or whatever...
 You can't expect me to believe that a bunch of savages who just walked out of the Russian marshes and forests, rounded up by Commisars from the villages, were superior to the Mighty German Wehrmacht and the Schutzstaffel's Panzer Divisions. The German Military was YEARS ahead of the others. They were the ones who invented Tank Warfare, they were the ones who implied the Blitzkrieg, they were the ones who invented the Assault Rifle, they created the rockets used to land on the moon...And what did the Soviets create? Ways to drop Vodka into Stalingrad, but not use them to drop supplies...SMGs that can be tilted and used as chairs...Massive quantities of Vodka...Man, that's some heavy military stuff!

Come on man it's Vodka, who doesn't like Vodka?

[Alan.Wake]

I prefer milk.

[Pandalink]

Why are we speaking English right now? Oh wait let me remind you. Becaaaaause UK invaded the entire planet.

You're welcome.

Technology is nothing compared to thousands of alchohol powered soldiers who dont give a f**k about theyre lives in order to protect what they love!

I'm afraid I'm rather inclined to disagree.

[Alan.Wake]

Ich werde abgeschnitten Ihre die Hoden und Fußball spielen mit ihrem, weißen Jungen.

[Salmonella]

Yeah, Soviets killed them not only for being jews, innocent young men, teenagers, were killed just because they refused to run into the concentrated MG42 fire. 
 JayL, you seriously have to stop basing all your facts on Red Propaganda, and look on the things from a neutral side...Let me tell you a little thing that happened back in the Occup- I mean Liberation of Poland by the Red Army. There was this village in which soviet soldiers resided while they were going into Nazi Occupied Poland. There they were welcomed and treated well, so far so good right? Well, for many Russian soldiers, this was the first time they saw a toilet in their lives. It was 1945, and a large portion of the Soviet troops haven't seen a toilet in their lives! So, what's the first thing that happens when they see the toilet? They are amazed by this "new creation", as they go down on their knees and start drinking the water from it, thinking its some new kind of sink or whatever...
 You can't expect me to believe that a bunch of savages who just walked out of the Russian marshes and forests, rounded up by Commisars from the villages, were superior to the Mighty German Wehrmacht and the Schutzstaffel's Panzer Divisions. The German Military was YEARS ahead of the others. They were the ones who invented Tank Warfare, they were the ones who implied the Blitzkrieg, they were the ones who invented the Assault Rifle, they created the rockets used to land on the moon...And what did the Soviets create? Ways to drop Vodka into Stalingrad, but not use them to drop supplies...SMGs that can be tilted and used as chairs...Massive quantities of Vodka...Man, that's some heavy military stuff!

True, but he's not going to listen. You can say what you want, but well, when someone supports certain sides to such a (disgusting) degree, it's hard to get through to them, just like I said in my previous post.

inb4 ''BUT THEY WON ANYWAYS :DDDD''

There's a lot more to the world's biggest war, and perhaps biggest historical event of this planet than just a stupid concrete sentence.

If these theaters were the places where the real shit went down, it makes me wonder what motivated Germany to dedicate so much of its power elsewhere

What the heck are you talking about? Untill 1944, Germany beat the shit out of the Soviet Union on their own ground. I really suggest you read some literature on the subject, because these empty statements of yours are really becoming tiring. Nazi Germany had basically defeated most of the western and northern European countries by 1943, which is why that year was a great year for them. To understand this, we must look at the conflicts in Africa. America got involved somewhere around 1942 or 1943, and sent many troops to the African front, in order to assist the British forces. Before that, General Rommel really managed to get a lot done there, the UK would lose 200 tanks while Germany wouldn't even lose 20. That changed after the arrival of America, probably not just because of that, but also because of strategic miscalucations at Tobruk.

More troops couldn't be sent for Germany, and they kept losing a lot there. Attack after attack.. At one point, they were forced to retreat to Tunisia and evacuate. This was done at an extremely high speed, without any deaths on Germany's side whatsoever, and overall just went splendid. This was the first and last time for such a massive evacuation to go this well. After the battle of Africa was lost, the allied forces concentrated on western Europe. D-Day of course. Around that time, it started to go bad on the eastern front. Are you starting to see where I'm going with this? The German troops at the eastern front were already low on troops, but after this, Hitler didn't send a lot more troops to the eastern front. That's when it started to go bad for Germany in the eastern front. There was never such a thing as ''concentrating most of their attention to the eastern front''. That only happened in 41 and 42, which is when they won 90 percent of all battles against the Soviet Union.

Cowardice? Backstabbing? Disgusting ways of fighting? Using brain is disgusting for you?

Yeah, that's how they fought. Most of them had never seen a toilet, let alone gotten proper education or training in the field. There wasn't a lot of brainpower involved when the Soviet troops stormed on open fields into the MG42 fire. A regular day involved a single MG42 crew and 5 German soldiers shooting 200 storming Soviet troops. If the Soviet troops were really as you think they were, they would've gotten to Germany by 1944, because by then, it was 100 soviets vs 10 Germans. That's a realistic ratio.

At least the Soviets didn't kill unrelated civilians simply because they were Jews.

I hope you know the Wehrmacht didn't do, let alone know about that untill 1945. I also hope you know that if Nazi Germany didn't start anti-semitism, Soviet Russia would've done that. Not to mention all the mass killings and purges done by the Soviet Union.

Stalin knew how to piss people off. Was not some guy who suicided upon encirclement.

Hitler knew how to piss people off. Was not some guy who ordered 30000000 of his own citizens and soldiers to the grave and into the battlefield.

See what I did there? Support for Hitler is disgusting, but not as disgusting as support for Stalin.

We were talking about the War and not the ideologies. You're resorting to personal attacks and diverting to unrelated subject, so just stop posting if that is what you plan on doing. Either you will receive the response for your attacks or you are going to get punished by who can moderate.

You have had Stalin avatars and ''Support your local communist party!'' personal texts. You're not telling me that you're not a convinced communist, if not a convinced stalinist or soviet. I disgust people who actually support the anti semitism and ideologies of nazism, but not even half as much as those who actually supported soviet communism.

WWII is related to any geopolitical discussion nowadays. While the discussion is indeed going off limits, don't expect people to not react if you are questioning or attacking them.

Indeed, if you come with this bullshit and your ''lol'' ''lolwut'', expect a reply.

[EliteTerm]

Can we please get back to the topic?

[McGarrett]

NATO was made for a stable connection cooperation plan for the northern atlantic part of the world, which consider of a lot of countries. This was made after second world war to prevent another world war. The thing is that if Iran attacks Israel, then USA will support Israel, and Russia will come to support Iran, Norway, Sweden, UK, Greece, France and other countries will come assist USA, and China, North Korea, Vietnam and other countries will support Russia. A third world war will break out if anyone attacks Israel. Let's just hope for the best folks.

[Kirgiz]

Yeah, Soviets killed them not only for being jews, innocent young men, teenagers, were killed just because they refused to run into the concentrated MG42 fire. 
 JayL, you seriously have to stop basing all your facts on Red Propaganda, and look on the things from a neutral side...Let me tell you a little thing that happened back in the Occup- I mean Liberation of Poland by the Red Army. There was this village in which soviet soldiers resided while they were going into Nazi Occupied Poland. There they were welcomed and treated well, so far so good right? Well, for many Russian soldiers, this was the first time they saw a toilet in their lives. It was 1945, and a large portion of the Soviet troops haven't seen a toilet in their lives! So, what's the first thing that happens when they see the toilet? They are amazed by this "new creation", as they go down on their knees and start drinking the water from it, thinking its some new kind of sink or whatever...
 You can't expect me to believe that a bunch of savages who just walked out of the Russian marshes and forests, rounded up by Commisars from the villages, were superior to the Mighty German Wehrmacht and the Schutzstaffel's Panzer Divisions. The German Military was YEARS ahead of the others. They were the ones who invented Tank Warfare, they were the ones who implied the Blitzkrieg, they were the ones who invented the Assault Rifle, they created the rockets used to land on the moon...And what did the Soviets create? Ways to drop Vodka into Stalingrad, but not use them to drop supplies...SMGs that can be tilted and used as chairs...Massive quantities of Vodka...Man, that's some heavy military stuff!

what the fuck

provide sources or enough of your bullshit.

[aleksandar_gojkovic]

NATO was made for a stable connection cooperation plan for the northern atlantic part of the world, which consider of a lot of countries. This was made after second world war to prevent another world war. The thing is that if Iran attacks Israel, then USA will support Israel, and Russia will come to support Iran, Norway, Sweden, UK, Greece, France and other countries will come assist USA, and China, North Korea, Vietnam and other countries will support Russia. A third world war will break out if anyone attacks Israel. Let's just hope for the best folks.

That is truth. I only dont think that Greece will asist NATO, but rather Russia. Anyway, NATO should stay DA FUCK outta other countries businesse!

[Xavier12]

We want freaking peace  :conf:

[EenBeeFour]

NATO was made for a stable connection cooperation plan for the northern atlantic part of the world, which consider of a lot of countries. This was made after second world war to prevent another world war. The thing is that if Iran attacks Israel, then USA will support Israel, and Russia will come to support Iran, Norway, Sweden, UK, Greece, France and other countries will come assist USA, and China, North Korea, Vietnam and other countries will support Russia. A third world war will break out if anyone attacks Israel. Let's just hope for the best folks.

Yay, I get to live through a world war hopefully, fun times ahead for everybody!

[Wolfe]

Yay, I get to live through a world war hopefully, fun times ahead for everybody!

I guess the only good thing that can come out of this is for people who want to be military certainly will have a better chance in the future ^^