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Never ending war topic Israel-Palestine: VERY STRICT POSTING

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Reply #105 on: November 24, 2012, 07:34:42 pm
Talking like what?
And honestly, if you invade a country, you're gonna get haters.

A kid in an argument is a person who resolves to insults and flaming to try and prove a losing point... get over it.

That is why the Palestine terrorists are hated... they invade Israel.

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Reply #106 on: November 24, 2012, 07:43:46 pm
That is why the Palestine terrorists are hated... they invade Israel.
Both sides hate each other... just like jews hated germans and germans hated jews, even till now... forgiveness is bullshit, you can't deny it.



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Reply #107 on: November 24, 2012, 08:15:58 pm
Both sides hate each other... just like jews hated germans and germans hated jews, even till now... forgiveness is bullshit, you can't deny it.
The topic is not about that sides hate each other. The idea is to try and see how it can be changed.

So here we go:
To the Israelians: if you were in the Government how would you try to solve this.
To the Palestinians: the same question.

Would you be willing to throw out your government in exchange for a country?
Will you understand and recognize Israel as the country it is and will be?

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Reply #108 on: November 24, 2012, 08:22:31 pm
Rambo style FTW

BTW im for the Palestine dudes they b badasses



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Reply #109 on: November 24, 2012, 08:26:04 pm
Rambo style FTW

BTW im for the Palestine dudes they b badasses

I dont know if you're joking or not, but this topic is sierous.
Dont start making stupid jokes.

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Reply #110 on: November 24, 2012, 08:32:38 pm
Quite interesting now how this plays out and how alot of you seem to deviate from the path, Personally the notion that "No 1 should leave we figure out peace" is very ironc and dont say its a good idea, if that were ture why so much BS in the Balkans? not the same issues but as humanity has shown sometimes there inst a rhyme or reason, in fact gandalf up untill 90's You would have been mortal enemies and likewise just because our counties didnt see eye to eye and both sides could have trigger a war to end all wars.

Gandalf I think you just need to realize that sometimes people just dont change, yes most of the world moves on but not everyone one and no amount of forum moderation and editing can change the fact that maybe the "terrorist"/patriots" just might be frustrated and are using HAMAS as a excuse to vent there problems, all be it a very bad way to do so but it that is there choice. Also the fact that people are claiming both sides are only targeting Civilians. Well NO SHIT this whole fight is over what very small but very populated area's and at least to me Israel is in the wrong on so many level's.

While they hide behind the banner of protecting there citizens and nation they also send agents spy and other military missions in other nations and have proven that Iraq and Iran are places they can strike if need be. If only Israel didnt have good ties from the USA and UK things would be scene alot different in that area. Still peace should always be given a chance but time and time again when its offered, its usually short lived due to both governments from both sides being in concomitant, then again all governments suffer from that anyway.



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Reply #111 on: November 24, 2012, 08:33:50 pm
In 2012 people are still fighting for religious reasons.. this is ridiculous. Fighting for something that doesn't exist.. I respect people who believe in such things, but fighting for it is just meaningless and very disgraceful.

If you both fight for land you're the same thing, what's the problem with staying together?

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Reply #112 on: November 24, 2012, 08:34:57 pm
 :(Well as you all said palestine and israel hate each other for more than 60 years they should solve the problem because people there day every day



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Reply #113 on: November 24, 2012, 08:54:02 pm
In 2012 people are still fighting for religious reasons.. this is ridiculous. Fighting for something that doesn't exist.. I respect people who believe in such things, but fighting for it is just meaningless and very disgraceful.

If you both fight for land you're the same thing, what's the problem with staying together?

Ask the Hamas.

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Reply #114 on: November 24, 2012, 08:58:52 pm
In 2012 people are still fighting for religious reasons.. this is ridiculous. Fighting for something that doesn't exist.. I respect people who believe in such things, but fighting for it is just meaningless and very disgraceful.

If you both fight for land you're the same thing, what's the problem with staying together?
:hurray: Religion... Nothing but problems.

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Reply #115 on: November 24, 2012, 09:02:52 pm
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Religion... Nothing but problems.

Humanity... Nothing but problems.



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Reply #116 on: November 24, 2012, 09:15:52 pm
:(Well as you all said palestine and israel hate each other for more than 60 years they should solve the problem because people there day every day
But how can you solve the problem?

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Reply #117 on: November 24, 2012, 09:20:17 pm
Humanity... Nothing but problems.
No.. Theres things that cause problems for humanity, without those things there wouldn't be the problem.

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Reply #118 on: November 24, 2012, 09:24:12 pm
No.. Theres things that cause problems for humanity, without those things there wouldn't be the problem.
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Reply #119 on: November 24, 2012, 09:38:21 pm
Quite interesting now how this plays out and how alot of you seem to deviate from the path, Personally the notion that "No 1 should leave we figure out peace" is very ironc and dont say its a good idea, if that were ture why so much BS in the Balkans? not the same issues but as humanity has shown sometimes there inst a rhyme or reason, in fact gandalf up untill 90's You would have been mortal enemies and likewise just because our counties didnt see eye to eye and both sides could have trigger a war to end all wars.

Now there is a very big difference in culture and probably opinion, one you may find as well in this conflict.
Thing is people in Russia would never see Americans as mortal enemy. They may want their government to act different, but the people are not the government.

If you look at WW2, you will see that Russia lost a lot of people, more than any outher country. Yet there was never the hate for Germans that developed in the West. Did the Russians act against the Nazis? Sure and Russians them selves were no angels. But it would never turn in to a 'all Germans are evil'.

As you may know there are a very large number of Jews from Slavic origin in Israel. Their habits and character are not very far from what Russians know.
First of all they wil rarely make the first strike. They can be taunted and provoked, but if left in peace they will not bother others.
Second when they do strike, they hit back a lot harder as they were hit.
Third, even after the worst fight if you are alive the fight can be forgotten and you can be friends.

However there is of course a lot of Middle Eastern culture as well, a culture that by the way is not strange to Russians.
In Middle-Eastern culture the personal image and clan go before anything else. The importance is in looking good and protecting your personal image. This means that making an error is something which should not be done.
As a result, people will never admit a mistake and always point to somehting they are victim of. At the same time gaining possesion at the cost of others is not seen as bad, but as smart.

The Middle Eastern culture is not only found in the Arabs and Palestinians. It is certainly also found in many of the Jewish who originate from the area.

It may sound strange but there is no unity in Muslims or Jewish. Sure they will tell to be one and brothers to anyone attacking them, but at the same time there is a constant power struggle within.
This causes friction as when one group is ready to make peace, the other will try to disturb it. And it is impossible to solve this from the outside, it has to be solved within.

Peace for Palestinians is far away, as even within their small areas they are fighting between them selves. Having a 'large' enemy in the Israeli government is what they need to keep united, without that they would fall in civil war between their own groups.
Similar none of the Palestinians are welcome in Egypt or Jordan... other Arab tribes will not accept them.


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