Another Mass Shooting - New Year's Eve, Old Town Sacramento, CA

[zhang]

My idea is basically to replace the standard rifles with Nerf guns. That should make it fun for all of them, even those on the recieving end.

[Gandalf]

What should be adressed is not the guns even if I am against the carying laws in the US.
The real problem is the education and upbringing of the chilrdren. Just look around here and see how easy people swear and develop hate for others they never met based on some pixels on the screen.
Instead of a culture based on hate and violence, people should be taught respect for each other and realise that violence is never an acceptable solution.
Stop the pollution of language and go back to learning to write and read as it is supposed to be. Stop allowing the hate speech and swearing on each other for actually no reason at all. Teach about the effects of injuries so people do not think so lightly about things.
This will bring much more effect as a ban or full allowance of weapons.

[zhang]

What should be adressed is not the guns even if I am against the carying laws in the US.
The real problem is the education and upbringing of the chilrdren. Just look around here and see how easy people swear and develop hate for others they never met based on some pixels on the screen.
Instead of a culture based on hate and violence, people should be taught respect for each other and realise that violence is never an acceptable solution.
Stop the pollution of language and go back to learning to write and read as it is supposed to be. Stop allowing the hate speech and swearing on each other for actually no reason at all. Teach about the effects of injuries so people do not think so lightly about things.
This will bring much more effect as a ban or full allowance of weapons.

Well said.

[JAMEZZZ]

                                  Aren't some guns banned in the US from 2013?

[Mikal]

What should be adressed is not the guns even if I am against the carying laws in the US.
The real problem is the education and upbringing of the chilrdren. Just look around here and see how easy people swear and develop hate for others they never met based on some pixels on the screen.
Instead of a culture based on hate and violence, people should be taught respect for each other and realise that violence is never an acceptable solution.
Stop the pollution of language and go back to learning to write and read as it is supposed to be. Stop allowing the hate speech and swearing on each other for actually no reason at all. Teach about the effects of injuries so people do not think so lightly about things.
This will bring much more effect as a ban or full allowance of weapons.

That is very true actually.

Well said.

[Matt Murdock]

Maybe time to ban americans on Argonath RPG and grant them admin positions on Paruni TDM, since they're so good with guns.  :roll:

On another note, I agree with Gandalf, I couldn't think of it cause I thought American education was the best in the world till date.

[Pandalink]

I thought American education was the best in the world till date.

You're being sarcastic, right?

[SugarD]

Bellicist culture plus fanatical liberalism is a deadly combination...

(And no SugarD I don't want to start a political argument beyond the gun-related legislation and the State's role on all of this)

Then don't bring up politics in your replies. Political systems have nothing to do with someone being stupid and shooting people. Anyone is capable of that regardless of their views.

What should be adressed is not the guns even if I am against the carying laws in the US.
The real problem is the education and upbringing of the chilrdren. Just look around here and see how easy people swear and develop hate for others they never met based on some pixels on the screen.
Instead of a culture based on hate and violence, people should be taught respect for each other and realise that violence is never an acceptable solution.
Stop the pollution of language and go back to learning to write and read as it is supposed to be. Stop allowing the hate speech and swearing on each other for actually no reason at all. Teach about the effects of injuries so people do not think so lightly about things.
This will bring much more effect as a ban or full allowance of weapons.

I couldn't agree more. This is a worldwide problem and not just a national one, albeit it is more of an issue in the United States. The human race is becoming quite a sick one. We make movies about how aliens see us as inferior, self-mutilating wastes of life that destroy ourselves and our planet, and we even talk about it daily in the news...yet we do so very little to change our ways and stop our own destruction and violence. Someone needs to break the cycle of stupidity and teach the generations to come to not become more ignorant than our own...


Little do half the people realize in this conversation that this is the first mass-shooting to happen in California in years. The very few that do happen are most often illegally-obtained guns. Don't tell me that the U.S. laws on guns should be stricter when California's laws are stricter than any other state in the country, and even many countries around the world. 95% of the shootings that occur in this state are from illegally-obtained guns. You can't exactly ban those...

As for the incident, it happened in a bar, where yes, even CCW holders are prohibited from bringing their guns.

Here is an update on the situation:
http://blogs.sacbee.com/crime/archives/2013/01/suspect-arrested-in-old-sacramento-shooting-that-leaves-two-dead.html

[JayL]

Then don't bring up politics in your replies. Political systems have nothing to do with someone being stupid and shooting people. Anyone is capable of that regardless of their views.

No, I'm sorry because let me tell you: there's a direct causal link between violent culture and increased aggression and violence in adults and teenagers, so it flies in the face of all the culture and all the politics. Bellicist culture infact may get adolescents and teens more aggressive. You're saying that those mass shootings are ''people being stupid'', but that, that ain't the whole deal.

[Jack Rosso]

It's just the same thing with hurricanes.. you can't keep moaning about houses being smashed every time there is a hurricane if you keep building prefabricated houses..

A hurricane is a natural response of Planet Earth, a mass shooting isnt as its caused by a human itself.
You can prevent a human from doing such a thing, but you cant prevent the earth.

Only solution is banning semi automatics, which is not gonna happen as its america.

[Dolfagr]

It's too late to ban guns. They are already swarmed all over the country. Airsoft weapons can be easily converted to lethal ones by an expert so that won't stop it at all. What needs to be done is to educate people about weapons which will take over 50 years. Though you can't totally blame the American people as the past governments wars against Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and elsewhere have altered the mind of the people, thus the current generation aswell.

[Karmps.]

Ohh god, this aint good.What the hell are Americans thinking? Anyone remember finnish school shootings too?

[Mikal]

Though you can't totally blame the American people as the past governments wars against Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and elsewhere have altered the mind of the people, thus the current generation aswell.

Oh right, so the UK should have guns everywhere because of the Falklands, Iran and Afghanistan and every other war we've had? That's what your logic suggests..

[Batta]

A hurricane is a natural response of Planet Earth, a mass shooting isnt as its caused by a human itself.
You can prevent a human from doing such a thing, but you cant prevent the earth.

Only solution is banning semi automatics, which is not gonna happen as its america.

You're right. The example didn't suit perfectly but if you get the meaning..

[Rick.]

I can remember watching that robbery where 2 robbers used 2 damn'd AK-47's with High Capacity Magazines, Metal coated bullets and armour and tried to rob a bank....

It was either one of them worked in the Army, or have someone working there, supplying them to body Armour, mags, ak's, etc.

I know exactly what you're talking about, there is a hour-long documentary about it, forgot the name though.