Another Mass Shooting - New Year's Eve, Old Town Sacramento, CA

[SugarD]

They were legal before though..

Not in California.

[Batta]

Not in California.

What I am trying to say is that many legal weapons become illegal. They never stole a legal weapon in California? They never bought them legally and maybe sold them to who couldn't get the legally in California? The legal market also contributes to the illegal one.

[SugarD]

What I am trying to say is that many legal weapons become illegal. They never stole a legal weapon in California? They never bought them legally and maybe sold them to who couldn't get the legally in California? The legal market also contributes to the illegal one.

That is still called a black market...

[Batta]

That is still called a black market...

From legal one indeed.. get the link?

[SugarD]

From legal one indeed.. get the link?

The black market is distinct from the grey market, in which commodities are distributed through channels which, while legal, are unofficial, unauthorized, or unintended by the original manufacturer, and the white market, the legal market for goods and services.

[Batta]

Meh, I give up.  Talking with you is not possible.

[Gimli]

I couldn't think of it cause I thought American education was the best in the world till date.

A few wackos shooting doesn't mean it isn't. While secondary education in the US isn't up to par with European standards, American colleges/universities are superior in my opinion. Possibly because the drinking age is 21 in the US.

As for the shooting, this is just drama. This wasn't a mass shooting, it was simply a bar conflict in which a bouncer and a man that conflicted with the shooter got killed. I blame gun control laws, nothing else. If people carry guns to bars for "self protection", then get drunk and start shooting people, only gun control laws can help.

According to the FBI, mass murder is defined as four or more murders occurring during a particular event with no cooling-off period between the murders.

[Mikal]

I think what Batta's trying to say is that the black market helped the legal one. :poke:

[SugarD]

Meh, I give up.  Talking with you is not possible.

Then don't reply saying it. Just leave the topic be.

If people carry guns to bars for "self protection", then get drunk and start shooting people, only gun control laws can help.

California law actually disallows CCW and open-carry gun owners from carrying guns in bars, or at all while consuming alcohol. This guy was just breaking that law before he even entered the bar, regardless of whether his gun was legal or not. It's quite sad that people just don't use common sense these days with weapons. It's not a hard thing to understand, even for those who may be mentally-challenged in most cases. I'm going to be pissed if we have to start putting in metal detectors at every bar and restaurant that serves alcohol just to prevent stupid things like this from happening again.

I think what Batta's trying to say is that the black market helped the legal one. :poke:

I know that. What he's not understanding is that he is describing exactly what a black market is. Black markets are not legal at all, hence the weapons are still illegal to be purchased by anyone that way. :P

[Dolfagr]

Oh right, so the UK should have guns everywhere because of the Falklands, Iran and Afghanistan and every other war we've had? That's what your logic suggests..

Don't even compare Falklands to Korea, Vietnam and Iraq, that was a power show off not a war, rather a conflict. Every other war you've been dragged to by Americans against the will of your people. UK used to be flooded with weapons sponsored by Gaddafi himself in case you're not aware.

To add, UK doesn't have laws like US and that's why it's not flooded with guns. UK doesn't promote 'war' as US does. Plus the crime rate is not the same as in US

[Matthew_Green]

Mass shootings like this negitively affects people like me. People that own mulitple guns that love to shoot them for recreational use only, and even personal defence if God forbid we have to. I own several guns ranging from Glocks to AR-15s and an AK-47, but that doesn't mean that I'm gonna take them and shoot up a gathering of people!


All I have to say is this:

No matter how many anti-gun laws you put into place, YOU CAN NEVER STOP THE CRAZIES.

[SugarD]

Don't even compare Falklands to Korea, Vietnam and Iraq, that was a power show off not a war, rather a conflict. Every other war you've been dragged to by Americans against the will of your people. UK used to be flooded with weapons sponsored by Gaddafi himself in case you're not aware.

To add, UK doesn't have laws like US and that's why it's not flooded with guns. UK doesn't promote 'war' as US does. Plus the crime rate is not the same as in US

The U.S. does not promote war. Contrary to popular belief, most of the citizens actually want the soldiers to come home. You can also not compare crime rates because the UK has different forms of crime which are not reported, just as the U.S. does. The true statistics could go either way because the real numbers are actually unknown, so it's not a fair comparison for either country.

No matter how many anti-gun laws you put into place, YOU CAN NEVER STOP THE CRAZIES.

Exactly. Even if you take away the guns, they'll just find a new weapon. If absolutely no one has guns, then the playing field just drops back down to something a bit worse or less-lethal. Everyone is still imbalanced in protecting themselves then, and there's still the likely chance that illegal guns would make their way back into play.

[Batta]

No matter how many anti-gun laws you put into place, YOU CAN NEVER STOP THE CRAZIES.

That's still a way to obstruct them.

[SugarD]

That's still a way to obstruct them.

So are the current laws. They will still find ways around it...especially if they aren't diagnosed beforehand.

[Mikal]

So are the current laws. They will still find ways around it...especially if they aren't diagnosed beforehand.

Obviously the current laws arnt if theres still mass shootings going on, just do like every other civilized countrys do and get rid of guns.