Four shot dead in Colorado

[SugarD]

Yes, and how do you control a shooter that's just opened fire and injured / killed several people already? By the time you take out your own weapon a few are already injured / dead.

Not true. That would all depend on the situation. Officers get into shootouts all the time and take down the suspect before they can get a shot off.

It's not something I'd really like to say or think about, but better none or a few than a lot.

[Jubin]

Ya, because they caught it in time.

http://articles.latimes.com/1989-04-04/news/mn-1105_1_pipe-bomb
1989. This was long before the Anarchist's Cookbook or Google even existed.

So you had to go all back to 1989 to show two deaths. Two less than in Colorado. Yeah you're not proving my point....at all.

[SugarD]

So you had to go all back to 1989 to show two deaths. Two less than in Colorado. Yeah you're not proving my point....at all.

Do your research and I'm sure I'll find more. Keep in mind, I also said they would become more popular if guns were taken away. That is just a plain fact. People will use anything they can as a weapon. Take away the most commonly used one and they'll find something else. Violence is part of human nature, not guns. A gun is harmless until you pull the trigger on your own free will.

[Jubin]

Do your research and I'm sure I'll find more. Keep in mind, I also said they would become more popular if guns were taken away. That is just a plain fact. People will use anything they can as a weapon. Take away the most commonly used one and they'll find something else. Violence is part of human nature, not guns. A gun is harmless until you pull the trigger on your own free will.

You're going in circles rather than pressing the issue.

Yes they will, but no other weapon need basically no training with being as deadly as guns are. Killing 4 grown men with a gun, not that difficult. Killing 4 grown men with a knife....good luck.

[SugarD]

http://www.newsrake.org/index.php?topic=9718.0

Check that.

[Matt Murdock]

1. Homemade pipebombs.

http://youtu.be/5XPwL8rbLME

 :roll:

and quite sure, no one would dare do a massacre with a knife if a room is full of 200, 5 year olds.

And since you do not seem to agree with anyone, tell me, what do you think the problem is, Sugar?

The education, government, laws, police force, family principles, which one are you going to blame?

[saberman]

Not true. That would all depend on the situation. Officers get into shootouts all the time and take down the suspect before they can get a shot off.

When some one with a gun goes to a mass of people, and starts shooting on civilians, I doubt any officer would be able to take down the suspect so quick that nobody would get injured / killed. Guns are too lethal for everybody to have.

[Mikal]

I also said they would become more popular if guns were taken away.

Oh wow, thats one crazy country you live in.. They get their guns taken away so they start creating pipe bombs..

You're only looking desperate by constantly defending guns.

[Jellyfish]

Won't take anything short of another Columbine incident to get the point through.

[SugarD]

Use some common sense people. If you take away the guns, they will still just find another weapon to use. People are violent by nature. Guns don't make them that way.

And saying there's nothing out there as lethal as a gun that couldn't easily be stopped is not true either. Think about how many anime freaks out there collect katanas and samurai swords now. I know quite a few just off the top of my head. Hell, one of them is a Developer here in Argo...

[Gandalf]

and quite sure, no one would dare do a massacre with a knife if a room is full of 200, 5 year olds.

Ever heard of Kim de Gelder ?

The problem lies not in the guns, but in the education.
If all you hear is ' hate them, kill them' sooner or later you might end up doing it.

[SugarD]

If all you hear is ' hate them, kill them' sooner or later you might end up doing it.

Exactly. And that is a worldwide problem, not a national one. The entire human race is at fault for it's own mistakes.

[Gandalf]

Exactly. And that is a worldwide problem, not a national one. The entire human race is at fault for it's own mistakes.

However its worldwide because the world watches American movies and music.  :girl:

[Mikal]

Sugar, first you blame 'ill' people for the killings, now you blame the entire human race, to be honest I'de rather someone try to massacre with a knife than a gun, so the solution still remains to ban guns, no matter how much you fight it.

[Jubin]

And saying there's nothing out there as lethal as a gun that couldn't easily be stopped is not true either. Think about how many anime freaks out there collect katanas and samurai swords now. I know quite a few just off the top of my head. Hell, one of them is a Developer here in Argo...

really you comparing katanas and samurai swords with a freaking gun? Oh you poor desperate, desperate man.