David Cameron says yes to EU "IN/OUT" referendum (finally)

[[WS]Jacob]

Be the small but powerful union it was before it joined the EU...? :poke:

True, we cannot move forward when we are under strict control and have to go through other countries to get things done. I also think Cameron realises the 'threat' of UKIP who are gaining popularity and it's most likely a stunt to get people back on the Conservatives side.

[Salmonella]

In theory this would be a smart move (leaving the EU), but in the end I think there'll be more downsides to it than upsides. Nonetheless, I'd prefer to see the UK as an independent nation, just like I'd prefer seeing the Netherlands as independent.

[Mikal]

True, we cannot move forward when we are under strict control and have to go through other countries to get things done. I also think Cameron realises the 'threat' of UKIP who are gaining popularity and it's most likely a stunt to get people back on the Conservatives side.

I still can't believe some random in Brussels has say in the British courts system, thats just outrageous.. The UK has dealt with it's own courts all through the British Empire, well did..

In theory this would be a smart move (leaving the EU), but in the end I think there'll be more downsides to it than upsides. Nonetheless, I'd prefer to see the UK as an independent nation, just like I'd prefer seeing the Netherlands as independent.

Well your government doesn't think so, infact they keep 'shouting' at David Cameron over his choice about this referendum.

What down sides can come from leaving? I mean there wasn't any downsides for the UK before in joined, the country was running perfect as it was. :roll:

[Jason_Bridges]

The UK does not at all benefit from the EU at the moment, the money spent on bailouts, the immigrants who aren't contributing anything to the country, the VAT we're giving away and not to mention our ridiculously high membership fee. The quicker we get out - the better...

[Ratko Gavrilovic]

So the people won't get to vote before 2018?
Well that's... worthless.

[Alsatian]

What down sides can come from leaving? I mean there wasn't any downsides for the UK before in joined, the country was running perfect as it was. :roll:

Our economy is in no state to cope independently from the EU.

[Pandalink]

It's just a political move to win back support from UKIP voters. That's all it is, he knows it would be quite the economic disaster to leave the EU.

Nonetheless, I'll be voting to leave. yolo

[Jason_Bridges]

Our economy is in no state to cope independently from the EU.

Yes it is... if we will most likely still be losing money, but at reduced rate compared to what we're at now.

[Reece]

So the people won't get to vote before 2018?
Well that's... worthless.

Only if the Conservatives get in again, and it's 2017.

If UKIP get in, they will start the process of leaving almost immediately.

[~Legend~]

I listened to Cameron's speech a few days ago... he talked about a lot of good points, but unsure what exactly the solid steps are. I suppose largely it's an opinion thing than the decision being empirical for the greater majority.

As it is the UK cannot move itself geographically. While it can break official ties with the EU, it is still part of Europe and the nation's natural allies are across the sea.

I think there is just a lot to be done internally before pitching such a "heavy" referendum to the public. Who knows, after the next general election the picture may be different again. We expect some other referendums/constitutional in the meanwhile, such as those related to the Scottish Parliament and its status.

With a referendum it's not directly binding and the outcome is not one that has to be followed, but more so something that is good to be passed.

[Mikal]

If Labour gets in there will be no chance of leaving the EU, and I don't know why people keep saying the UK's economy isn't in any state to manage independent from the EU, the EU doesn't really help the economy now as it is, and the UK's economy will be larger than the EU's by the time this year ends, so if anything it's the EU's economy that needs the UK, not the other way round.

[Jellyfish]

If UK withdraws from the EU, they will be able to stop the so called 'job-stealing' immigrants from immigration to the UK?

[Mikal]

If UK withdraws from the EU, they will be able to stop the so called 'job-stealing' immigrants from immigration to the UK?

Yes as they won't have the 'easy' access to the UK that they currently do.

[~Legend~]

Cameron in his speech mentioned that there would be no going back if the UK pulled out.

I am not sure how much that stands up in the long term, but if that is the case it will be a tough decision. Compromising with other European powers may help that part of the world strive economically someway down the line.

[Mikal]

Cameron in his speech mentioned that there would be no going back if the UK pulled out.

I am not sure how much that stands up in the long term, but if that is the case it will be a tough decision. Compromising with other European powers may help that part of the world strive economically someway down the line.

The EU is destined to fail, they cannot manage basic financing, they threw shitloads at Greece without keeping an eye on it and look what happend, the UK is better out of the EU anyways, less migrants.. Even Sweden has the same problem.