Calls for UK to allow women in combat

[[WS]Jacob]

Mine was a rhetorical question. If men already have to go through tests already, why would it be a problem to test women as well?

It wouldn't and I don't have a problem with it. It's just that there's the scientific fact that women are not as strong physically as men are and so are likely not to pass the test, that even some men fail at.

[SugarD]

Mine was a rhetorical question. If men already have to go through tests already, why would it be a problem to test women as well?

I'm just agreeing with you. It doesn't make sense to argue that women are incapable when there are some men who are too. Even as you mentioned, it should be based on the person and not their gender, or what others think of their gender.

[Jones]

I read about a different reason quite a while back, forgot where I found it.

It said that there is a higher emotional affect on men if women are in combat with the men, therefor decreasing the men's ability to perform at their best. Some science study shown this, it also makes a lot of sense.

[SugarD]

I read about a different reason quite a while back, forgot where I found it.

It said that there is a higher emotional affect on men if women are in combat with the men, therefor decreasing the men's ability to perform at their best. Some science study shown this, it also makes a lot of sense.

That would go both ways then. If they can't keep it in their pants, that is their own fault. :P

[Mikal]

I read about a different reason quite a while back, forgot where I found it.

It said that there is a higher emotional affect on men if women are in combat with the men, therefor decreasing the men's ability to perform at their best. Some science study shown this, it also makes a lot of sense.

Yes I heard that, we all know what men are like round women, especially when they have to share a tent/small military base with them..

You could say, so why not have a full women army instead of full men? But that'd be because men are still generally the stronger sex.

[SugarD]

But that'd be because men are still generally the stronger sex.

Once again, no they are not. Both genders have different strengths and weaknesses, and they cannot be compared because every single person is different.

[Mikal]

Once again, no they are not. Both genders have different strengths and weaknesses, and they cannot be compared because every single person is different.

Phyisicly stronger, yes they are... It's been scientificly proven, and thats because over human evolution.

[SugarD]

Phyisicly stronger, yes they are... It's been scientificly proven, and thats because over human evolution.

Wrong. There is no evidence to prove this.

[Mikal]

Wrong. There is no evidence to prove this.

Ok mr scientist.

[SugarD]

Ok mr scientist.

Back up your statements with evidence if you are going to say they are scientific facts, instead of provoking people with name-calling.

[Mikal]

Back up your statements with evidence if you are going to say they are scientific facts, instead of provoking people with name-calling.

Typically in Western societies, males are physically stronger than females. The difference is due to females having less total muscle mass than males, and also having lower muscle mass in comparison to total body mass. While individual muscle fibers have similar strength, males have more fibers due to their greater total muscle mass. The greater muscle mass of males is in turn due to a greater capacity for muscular hypertrophy as a result of men's higher levels of testosterone. Males remain stronger than females, when adjusting for differences in total body mass. This is due to the higher male muscle-mass to body-mass ratio.[12] This sex difference does not apply equally to all human societies, however. In Bali, for example, where men do not usually participate in heavy work, there is less difference between the muscle mass of men and women.[13]
Gross measures of body strength suggest a 40-50% difference in upper body strength between the sexes, and a 20-30% difference in lower body strength.[14][15] The smaller difference in lower body strength may be due to the fact that during childhood, both males and females frequently exercise their leg muscles during activities like running, walking, and playing.[16] Males, however, are socially pressured to enhance their upper body muscles, leading to a wider difference in upper body strength.[16] One study of muscle strength in the elbows and knees—in 45 and older males and females—found the strength of females to range from 42 to 63% of male strength.[17] Another study found men to have significantly higher hand-grip strength than women, even when comparing untrained men with female athletes.[18] Differences in width of arm, thighs and calves also increase during puberty. Exercise can lower the degree of sex differentiation in muscle development as adults. For example, the amount of oxygen that the blood can carry is very similar in male and female athletes, while in untrained people women cannot carry as much oxygen.[13]
Most statistics in the areas of strength, power, muscle mass, and height of human males and females is based on mean numbers, but these numbers are not exact representations of a society as they exclude information on the spread of the data. When considering the spread of most statistics, there is significant overlap in the values of physical traits between men and women. In addition, there are a significant number of individuals who deviate from from the average statistics.[19]

[Jones]

That would go both ways then.

Whilst that is true, if it would cause problems for the current men to have women in the 'front-line', then I would not want to see it happen. Numerous problems could come from doing so if men because emotionally unstable/attached whilst in an environment where their life could be in danger.

The army is built up to what it is today, for some men it is their life. I can't see of anyway where women could go into the front lines and not cause problems somewhere along the lines because of how we have made it already.

[SugarD]

Whilst that is true, if it would cause problems for the current men to have women in the 'front-line', then I would not want to see it happen. Numerous problems could come from doing so if men because emotionally unstable/attached whilst in an environment where their life could be in danger.

Women are already out there. They just aren't in the combat zones. If those men can't control themselves, they need to be retrained or transfer.

[Alan.Wake]

If those men can't control themselves, they need to be retrained or transfer.

You really expect men to be trained in having a strong willpower in this generation, which is same and worse as before?

[SugarD]

You really expect men to be trained in having a strong willpower in this generation, which is same and worse as before?

That is of their own fault if they can't abide by the rules set out for them. Women shouldn't be punished because a few men act like immature sex fiends.