Argonath Is Not a TDM Server!

[SugarD]

Under which nickname?

That's got nothing to do with what I said, though.

1. Another tagged variation of "SugarD".
2. People are misusing this topic to **** on the community and use it as an excuse to justify making it strict RP, instead of expressing their opinions in a positive way. That's what that part was aimed at.

[Gmail]

Nothing, nothing at all.
Silence is the best answer, apart from Hotmail.

I.. hotmail.. well atleast my brother will be happy SOMEONE is using hotmail..

[Salmonella]

As long as the suggestions aren't in breach of any forum rules, I don't think there's anything wrong with them, though. Whether or not you agree with them or find them useful or useless is a completely different story.

[Chris_Knight]

Forced roleplay server definitely won't fix the case. I've been playing forced rp server my self for a month just to give it ago,during patrol with an officer for a hour,his car received shots three time for no roleplay manner.

Interaction between anyone ended up with shoot out anyway and death spree is going faster there than sentences written on local chat.

It's all about people not silly players from forced rp servers who crawled here to tell us how shit is better there,because it's not,just biased butthurt view on things . :m4: :sig:

[S1mon]

Ok, let me speak.

1- About Mordor event.
I don't really know what happened today, neither why really Ramo is banned. But until yesterday's evening that event was funny, RP and NOT a DM fest. People were RPing militants and/or soldiers. Patrols, guarding and all that. I cannot say for everyone - but during that event I shooted only two bullets, none of them leading to anyone death.

As I was absent during today's incident I can't judge it - but before I were told to not shoot until permitted by one of leaders - Ramo, Louis or Stefan. But some cops still were arriving and trying to ruin the RP, thinking that being on duty makes them almightly.

2- About TDM.
I doubt the problem is or was only with Mordor event - every day we can see some people suspected for minor crimes in general - evading or reckless driving. And Sultans full of heavy-armed family members, that often cause big DM, driving all around LS instead of evading somewhere to Tierra Robada. Those guys can even shoot a cop being not wanted just because he's a cop near their suspected friend.

From the other side, as stated, few RP from cops during a hostage taking or something like that. Mostly after some moment they get in and DM all that moves, not only fotgetting to RP but also forgetting of being realistic. Ok, let's forget about organised crime. Clear situation: Citizen X is suspected for reckless driving, just because he crashed into a cop car. He stops and gets out without weapons just to talk. Instead he gets some spray in his face, hears the /m2 or /s2 and often gets killed.

Briefly - the TDM problem was NOT only in Mordor event, we see that TDM and/or DM every day from we get moe than 40 active online players.

[EliteTerm]

No.

RPG is light roleplay. Unrealistic names can be chosen like SugarD. It's a big diffrence between RP and RPG. RPG is indeed based on action, like Argonath. But Argonath do have players with great roleplay skills. Other RPG servers have a big lack of good roleplayers.

Roleplay is based on real-life. Actually, if we want to roleplay we shouldn't drive on the left side of the road. Or buy a sniper for $1500. It should be way harder to get. That is what makes Argonath a (T)DM server. But if we make weapons harder to get or remove them, we'll lose plenty of players. Argonath is a RPG server. It contains lots of DM fests and useless shootouts. We can't blame anybody since it's RPG. Make Argonath a RP server with strict rules and no trolling.

Every Roleplay Server is 70% cops and robbers. Argonath is 85%. Conclusion; Useless thread, useless comments, nothing will change.

We get free weapons (pickups) in MTA:VC, yet we didn't have widespread problems like what SA:MP is having right now. Your point?


Our community, our admins, our rules are fine. It's the players that keep taking advantage of our unique view and try to twist it in their favor.

[diddeh]

Then they can leave if they can't follow the rules. Else, we'll force those who don't to learn to follow them:

This is the problem, we should be happy there is not so many people like you on this server.
Anyhow, it's gonna be hard to make a change if you can't make a slightest change to the rules.

[Cyril]

It's not "the people that are "holding/helping" the community" that spent their day deathmatching. It's not up to them to change.

[SugarD]

Well there is a funtion to report regular players to, but thats not my point. Im saying there are some admins that sometimes dm to but are to stuck up to see that themself and when i see that i loose my respect for him.

Take screenshots, save your logs, and report them to the appropriate email. Managers and above for that server see the emails, so it will be investigated.

I know you said it, I can read. And how do you know it won't work, you tried it? No. Anyway, I'm out of here.

That is what you are doing - ruining argonath... Demanding more rules, making strict roleplay, brought shitty OOC and IC logs that actually have no use and besides it shit the chat ...
Yes, I am against... Yes you made Argonath a shitty place cos you all are f**king moaning, forgettin how you played before, forgetting, how people reacted on you... Now you wanna everything scripted... Even respect to each other wanna make scripted...

Are not welcomed people who start implementing the own rules into Argonath rules... Who are trying to make Argonath a strict roleplay prison...
Are you trying to bring into Argonath the "serious" roleplay with OOC/IC shit and others do not hey do not fart do not fight do not talk do not pee do not poo etc...? If answer is "yes" - then you are not welcomed...

Argonath RPG has its own rules and if you do not like it - why the f**k we must change it for you?

We had and have a great community which veterans came from free roleplay of Vice City and nobody moaned their asses off...

[Cyril]

Admins are in noway protected by Managers+, but if you don't provide enough evidences or Managers can't see anything wrong, then of course nothing will happen.
Anyway, please go back on the topic.

[Mashgash]

The issue is not the scripts. The issue is the attitude majority of the player has. There is not many of us in here who play for entertainment and enjoyment. Instead we enter the server with a goal to win and humiliate fellow players. We do that by using guns and abusing scripts. There is nothing else then winning. We can not accept to lose, we must always win, regardless what we must do to achieve the 'champion title'.

I can take a perfect example from this topic.

Killing someone is not that easy especially if you are in a RP group. If you RP informing the victim that you're going to kill him, you will most likely fail. This is just ridiculous and and I don't even understand why do we have to discuss it. If you inform the victim over private messages or public chat, he'll most likely use this advantage to prevent you from killing him or even quit the game.

Who says we must succeed with our hitman contract? Why can't we fail with our mission? There is too much winner mentality in this server, which makes us break the rules and abuse scripts as we can not accept to lose a shootout, a hitman contract or what else we do each day.

There is up to each individual if he or she wish a change in the server. The issue is not the scripts, but the players.

[RizzE.]

When someone is out to kill you and you show them that you dont care and you rp with them, some players gets confused these players are the one that didnt have serious rp in mind.

[SugarD]

When someone is out to kill you and you show them that you dont care and you rp with them, some players gets confused these players are the one that didnt have serious rp in mind.

Serious RP is not supported by Argo. Players in this community are free to make choices based on how they want the roleplay to go, even if that means realism or fantasy.

[ANUNNAKI]

From what I saw admins are saying people are killing others on too "light" of terms, don't get me wrong there's a lot of DM, but I would classify Argo as a light RP server and since Argo doesn't "support" serious RP there isn't much you can do about it. I always get told by some of the higher ups if I want serious RP to go to another server, maybe you should follow your own advice here. You can't have a light RP server and punish players for killing another player who rammed them, or not getting enough money in a robbery as long as there's some interaction. ( These things do happen in RL as well )... Argo's a world of it's own either lighten up or go admin on a different server.. You can't have admins following a strict rule set while the server has such a small list of rules. They either both need to be adjusted or one needs to be lightened up.

I'm not 100% sure on what the guidelines are while being am admin, just the ones I've read in the application section, but from what I've gathered from mangers+, there's no real definition of a rule and it's up to the admin's interpretation of the rule on how they punish, and the admin may or may not get in trouble for doing so if it's in between managements "guidelines" . This seems to be the case with most of the players as well, they're either misguided or have their own meaning of the rules. I know Argo is against a stricter rule set but there really needs to be some clarification on what a player/mod/admin can and can't do, because depending on the mod/admin/manager/owner you talk to the rule changes on how they see fit. I can't see any system working off of this method, it only causes chaos and confusion. It really amazes me that it worked for so long, and really makes me think about what has changed within the player base.

No I don't support the T/DM, but with the current system, nothings going to change. I'm not saying turn Argo into a serious RP server, because I like it how it is, there's just some minor rules that could be adjusted/added or clarified better. Which I think could be done without turning the server into a RL simulator.


Just a few quotes to support the above:

Killing must be used as a last resort anyway. Which is the total opposite from what is happening on the server. You are all killing each other for little things.

This is for a serious RP rule set. Talk to SugarD about how the rules will never change.

You can easily say "Get of my property, you're trespassing on private property, leave or die!".

You can easily say this yes, but you can also easily get banned by 5 other admins who consider this non-rp. (see above)

Our community, our admins, our rules are fine. It's the players that keep taking advantage of our unique view and try to twist it in their favor.

Yes it's the players taking advantage of our light rule system...This community is too big to expect that a few players are going to change it, so what's the only solution left?

[SugarD]

This is for a serious RP rule set. Talk to SugarD about how the rules will never change.

You can easily say this yes, but you can also easily get banned by 5 other admins who consider this non-rp. (see above)

Yes it's the players taking advantage of our light rule system...This community is too big to expect that a few players are going to change it, so what's the only solution left?

1. That is not a serious RP rule. There is no rule that says you can kill as a last resort. If you have no valid RP reason to kill someone, you shouldn't be doing it at all. That doesn't matter what your options are. If you don't have a reason, don't do it.
2. Then those admins should be reported. Private property is defined by the State Constitution in SA:MP. That makes it a matter of the courts and SA:MP SAPD to handle. If an admin bans you for telling someone to get off your legally-defined property, and they have no legal reason to be there, then the admin needs to have their rights removed for playing roleplay cop with server powers.
3. Simple: Force people to behave by teaching them right from wrong. If they refuse to follow our rules, they can leave or be banned. They make their own decisions when they come here, and the fun of everyone will not be spoiled by the greed of a few. If they learn the rules and still refuse to follow them, it is only their own negativity that will be their downfall.