Piers Morgan: No regrets over calling US gun lobby stupid

[EliteTerm]

Yes because all of the armed citizens in the US are going to shoot at innocent cops who are just enforcing the law, that law possibly being to remove everyones guns.

http://cspoa.org/sheriffs-gun-rights/

Your gun violence effects the world, so we do have the right to speak about it, we constantly have to hear depressing stories of the latest mass shooting in the US, the last one being just last week.

Heard about this one? http://www.kgw.com/news/Clackamas-man-armed-confronts-mall-shooter-183593571.html

It's not much, but it clearly shows that having something to defend against a mass shooter means a lot.

[John_Goldman]

Mikal, you have to be reminded that the U.S has an open border with a country known to smuggle drugs and weapons. The UK doesn't have the gun smuggling issue the US does. We could ban all the guns for citizens, however Mexican drug cartels would be free to smuggle guns to gang members. Until we can close our border with Mexico, we will always need guns. We can not protect ourselves with mace or a stun gun. When the criminals have guns, the citizens need guns. Like I said, you can't compare US crime to UK crime mainly because of our gangs and open borders. Our gun violence doesn't effect the rest of the world, it only effects us.

One thing I'm not sure everyone gets is we can't get the guns out of criminals hands. Even if the US Government were to ban all guns, every gang member would still have guns. We can't stop the gangs from owning guns. There is nothing we can do about them owning guns.

[Dutchy]

And as previously stated, illegalizing guns means big business for the people selling it, and I don't mean gunshops.
Only way to stop guns is to find a more effective alternative.. Keep in mind though, ALL firearms these days are based on ancient chinese format. Bullet goes into barrel, powder goes behind it, ignite powder, compressed explosion shoots off bullet; THIS NEVER CHANGED.
The only highly improved (and fictional) alternative we have for that are "lasers".

Gun manufacturers should start thinking outside the box...

[Mikal]

It's not much, but it clearly shows that having something to defend against a mass shooter means a lot.

If everyone didn't have guns, you wouldn't have mass shooters, simple.. :poke:

Mikal, you have to be reminded that the U.S has an open border with a country known to smuggle drugs and weapons. The UK doesn't have the gun smuggling issue the US does. We could ban all the guns for citizens, however Mexican drug cartels would be free to smuggle guns to gang members. Until we can close our border with Mexico, we will always need guns. We can not protect ourselves with mace or a stun gun. When the criminals have guns, the citizens need guns. Like I said, you can't compare US crime to UK crime mainly because of our gangs and open borders. Our gun violence doesn't effect the rest of the world, it only effects us.

One thing I'm not sure everyone gets is we can't get the guns out of criminals hands. Even if the US Government were to ban all guns, every gang member would still have guns. We can't stop the gangs from owning guns. There is nothing we can do about them owning guns.

Gangs in the UK have guns, but theres only around 40 shooting incidents per year, as opposed to the USA's 12,000, the smugglers would be a tiny proportion compared to the whole USA population, and simply would not matter and all, the police would deal with them, and the police could do alot more if your government would stop wasting billions and billions on the uselessly large military for no absolute reason, money could go into funding the Mexican police deal with the problems, of even offering them physical support.

Can't remove the guns? You're gonna have a bad time.

[[WS]Jacob]

One thing I'm not sure everyone gets is we can't get the guns out of criminals hands. Even if the US Government were to ban all guns, every gang member would still have guns. We can't stop the gangs from owning guns. There is nothing we can do about them owning guns.

America has got to stop hiding from the truth and start acting. You can keep on saying that more guns will solve the problem because you'll come to regret it years down the line when things start to become uncontrollable.

[Mikal]

America has got to start hiding from the truth and start acting. You can keep on saying that more guns will solve the problem because you'll come to regret it years down the line when things start to become uncontrollable.

Stop* and it already is uncontrollable.

[John_Goldman]

If everyone didn't have guns, you wouldn't have mass shooters, simple.. :poke:
Gangs in the UK have guns, but theres only around 40 shooting incidents per year, as opposed to the USA's 12,000, the smugglers would be a tiny proportion compared to the whole USA population, and simply would not matter and all, the police would deal with them, and the police could do alot more if your government would stop wasting billions and billions on the uselessly large military for no absolute reason, money could go into funding the Mexican police deal with the problems, of even offering them physical support.

Can't remove the guns? You're gonna have a bad time.

Gangs here in America are far worse then gangs in your country. Read up on gangs here, some will literally kill you and your family if you look at them funny. Gangs in America are no joke. We have over a million documented gang members nation wide, and that's just the documented ones. The smugglers and gangs result for the majority of our murders. Our regular ole citizens aren't killing people. 65%-80% of our murders are gang-related. The police can not do anything about gangs due to civil rights and realistically because of immigration laws. Since we can't deport illegal immigrants, 66% of Hispanic street gangs, we can't stop them. Like I said, gun control may work the UK but we have actual problems here in America. Street gangs are no joke here. The criminal justice system sucks here and people are getting off for big crimes. I live in a good neighborhood, but just this year there's been 5 home invasions and multiple burglaries. The difference between a home invasion and burglary is a home invasion takes place while people are home. They get tied up and gagged and the gang members go freely because the police can't stop them.

[Mikal]

Gangs here in America are far worse then gangs in your country. Read up on gangs here, some will literally kill you and your family if you look at them funny. Gangs in America are no joke. We have over a million documented gang members nation wide, and that's just the documented ones. The smugglers and gangs result for the majority of our murders. Our regular ole citizens aren't killing people. 65%-80% of our murders are gang-related. The police can not do anything about gangs due to civil rights and realistically because of immigration laws. Since we can't deport illegal immigrants, 66% of Hispanic street gangs, we can't stop them. Like I said, gun control may work the UK but we have actual problems here in America. Street gangs are no joke here. The criminal justice system sucks here and people are getting off for big crimes. I live in a good neighborhood, but just this year there's been 5 home invasions and multiple burglaries. The difference between a home invasion and burglary is a home invasion takes place while people are home. They get tied up and gagged and the gang members go freely because the police can't stop them.

Sorry am I missing something? Is how bad your countries gangs are supposed to be a good thing? Just seems that way by the way you brag about it, if your '65-80%' is true, the other percentage is still freaking huge considering the USA's population size, and you forget to realise, the people who do things like the Sandy Hook shooting are not in gangs, they were regular citizens, who decided to commit mass murder for whatever reason, and the guns they used were as easy to get as a batch of eggs from the corner shop, I can see why you came to the UK though, atleast we can control guns, and gangs.

[[WS]Jacob]

Stop* and it already is uncontrollable.

That's what I meant, edited

Gangs here in America are far worse then gangs in your country.

As Mikal pointed out the majority of major mass shootings in America recently have not been gang related but they are down to mentally ill people or the lone gunman. They aren't planned attack, just random which is harder for the police to prevent as they can't predict it. So you must look to putting in the preventative methods to stop these people from having high capacity weapons which aren't needed at all in civilian hands. Your President has got to stop waiting for these massacres to boost his political campaigning by saying what he will do and actually put his words into practise.

[John_Goldman]

Sorry am I missing something? Is how bad your countries gangs are supposed to be a good thing? Just seems that way by the way you brag about it, if your '65-80%' is true, the other percentage is still freaking huge considering the USA's population size, and you forget to realise, the people who do things like the Sandy Hook shooting are not in gangs, they were regular citizens, who decided to commit mass murder for whatever reason, and the guns they used were as easy to get as a batch of eggs from the corner shop, I can see why you came to the UK though, atleast we can control guns, and gangs.

The people who commit mass-shootings are always mentally ill. The mentally ill should not be able to get their hands on guns, I agree. However, there is a much simpler solution then stripping good, law-abiding citizens of their 2nd Amendment right. The mentally ill should be in mental hospitals. Look at the most recent mass shooting. The guy was mentally ill and troubled. He was even investigated for making bomb threats. How did he get his hands on guns? He should have been locked up a long time ago. If we could go back to the system we had pre-1970/1980's, we wouldn't have mass shootings. Back then, if you were insane and wanted to harm others, they locked you up. Today, these mentally ill people can do whatever they  want. The problem isn't guns, it's our criminal justice and mental health systems. This is an unarguable fact. If we locked the mentally ill up, they wouldn't have access to guns.

[[WS]Jacob]

Back then, if you were insane and wanted to harm others, they locked you up. Today, these mentally ill people can do whatever they  want. The problem isn't guns, it's our criminal justice and mental health systems. This is an unarguable fact. If we locked the mentally ill up, they wouldn't have access to guns.

I don't think locking people up is the correct way to solve the problem, a number of other factors have to be considered. Something is obviously a problem as there are mentally ill people here in the UK but they seem to be fine walking the streets here without shooting anyone. Why? Because they have access to no weapons. Instead of locking them up remove the source of the problem and disallow them from owning a weapon. You wouldn't put someone in prison because they have ginger hair and might shoot someone, why do it to the mentally ill?

[John_Goldman]

Like I said, you can't compare the US and UK like this. They're faaar to different. Illegal guns are very easy to access in America, I could go to the streets of LA right now and probably pick up an AK47 if I had the money. But keep in mind, these are illegal guns. There's a huge difference.

[Mikal]

The people who commit mass-shootings are always mentally ill. The mentally ill should not be able to get their hands on guns, I agree. However, there is a much simpler solution then stripping good, law-abiding citizens of their 2nd Amendment right. The mentally ill should be in mental hospitals. Look at the most recent mass shooting. The guy was mentally ill and troubled. He was even investigated for making bomb threats. How did he get his hands on guns? He should have been locked up a long time ago. If we could go back to the system we had pre-1970/1980's, we wouldn't have mass shootings. Back then, if you were insane and wanted to harm others, they locked you up. Today, these mentally ill people can do whatever they  want. The problem isn't guns, it's our criminal justice and mental health systems. This is an unarguable fact. If we locked the mentally ill up, they wouldn't have access to guns.

Right, so I assume you'll go round and test the whole US population for mental illness and somehow prevent them all from getting hold of guns which nearly every household has, good luck with that.

Like I said, you can't compare the US and UK like this. They're faaar to different. Illegal guns are very easy to access in America, I could go to the streets of LA right now and probably pick up an AK47 if I had the money. But keep in mind, these are illegal guns. There's a huge difference.

The UK's gun control is an example that the US should follow.

[EliteTerm]

The people who commit mass-shootings are always mentally ill. The mentally ill should not be able to get their hands on guns, I agree. However, there is a much simpler solution then stripping good, law-abiding citizens of their 2nd Amendment right. The mentally ill should be in mental hospitals. Look at the most recent mass shooting. The guy was mentally ill and troubled. He was even investigated for making bomb threats. How did he get his hands on guns? He should have been locked up a long time ago. If we could go back to the system we had pre-1970/1980's, we wouldn't have mass shootings. Back then, if you were insane and wanted to harm others, they locked you up. Today, these mentally ill people can do whatever they  want. The problem isn't guns, it's our criminal justice and mental health systems. This is an unarguable fact. If we locked the mentally ill up, they wouldn't have access to guns.

I agree.

[Mikal]

It's funny how you say they are mentally ill even though most of them shoot themselves before any checks can be done, so you cannot call them mentally ill, it just seems like you Americans are just trying to avoid the truth because you like shooting at circle paper in a brick hut, I couldn't think of anything easier/more boring to do.