Piers Morgan: No regrets over calling US gun lobby stupid

[Mikal]

At the end of the day, the US Gov never should have let guns get this much out of control, you can sell guns today legally without any kind of gun trading license, and the BBC programme that went to the US and managed to buy a fully automatic assault rifle without having to show any kind of ID proved that, the argument that the criminals are the problem, not the guns is so pathetic I can't even stress it enough, first you say mental people are the problem, then you say it's your average criminal, then you blame Mexicans for gun smuggling and crime, whats next, are you going to find some way to accuse disabled people of your gun problems? It's time to face the facts the US of America, the only problem is yourselves preventing solutions, the best solution being to remove guns.

[Dutchy]

Humanity doesn't blame itself unless it is made to.

[SugarD]

Yeah the police are there for those situations and no It's not as simple as always killing in self defense. But admit, guns are meant to kill, not to temporarily disable.. Especially assault rifles and shotguns.

Well when you run into a situation where the person attacking you is carrying around a very large and highly-illegal weapon, chances are you are going to want equal firepower. Even the Police agree with this. This image may explain it from their point of view a bit more too:

[Dutchy]

Well when you run into a situation where the person attacking you is carrying around a very large and highly-illegal weapon, chances are you are going to want equal firepower. Even the Police agree with this.

What I meant was police have the privilege to use deadly force because that's what they are for, when they are needed.
A civillian owning anything bigger than a pistol pulls the 'defense' arguement into doubt... Sure shotguns for example are very PRACTICAL for home defense... Guess what kind of practical.
And yes, any firearm no matter how big or small (except maybe a slingshot) is deadly. But I suppose the 'deadliness' for each catagory has been calculated from probability of death. I assume a 5.56/7.62 round has a higher chance than a 9mm, let stand a 6mm...

[Mikal]

Well when you run into a situation where the person attacking you is carrying around a very large and highly-illegal weapon

And how'd he get that weapon?! Oh yeh thats right, you guys have no gun control.

[SugarD]

And how'd he get that weapon?! Oh yeh thats right, you guys have no gun control.

Apparently you didn't read the part where it says illegal, or maybe the part where I said my state is the strictest in the country, outlawing nearly all types of guns in some way or another. I suggest you look those parts over again. There is some important information there you may have also missed.

[Mikal]

Apparently you didn't read the part where it says illegal, or maybe the part where I said my state is the strictest in the country, outlawing nearly all types of guns in some way or another. I suggest you look those parts over again. There is some important information there you may have also missed.

Ok, an 'illegal' gun which he still managed to get hold of due to the lack of gun control in the US.

[SugarD]

Ok, an 'illegal' gun which he still managed to get hold of due to the lack of gun control in the US.

I don't think you understand the concept of what gun control laws are in reference to what is and isn't legal. They are laws. If criminals cared about following them, they wouldn't be criminals to begin with. Plain and simple.

[Mikal]

I don't think you understand the concept of what gun control laws are in reference to what is and isn't legal. They are laws. If criminals cared about following them, they wouldn't be criminals to begin with. Plain and simple.

No, not plain and simple, if the laws were stricter, these kind of guns, illegal or not, wouldn't find their way into the wrong hands as easy as they currently do.

[SugarD]

No, not plain and simple, if the laws were stricter, these kind of guns, illegal or not, wouldn't find their way into the wrong hands as easy as they currently do.

You really don't get it. If criminals want weapons, they will get them regardless of how strict the laws are. Please refer back to my reference about the American Alcohol Prohibition. Not a single state in the country had access to it. Criminals brought it in despite the complete federal ban on it. Weapons will be no different.

Again, criminals don't follow the laws. That's why they are criminals.

[Mikal]

If that is the case then your government should stop spending them billions on the uselessly large military and focus it on removing these criminals..

[Dutchy]

Mikal, not a single line in an old sheet of paper is to blame.
Location, history, culture and tradition are reasons able to explain common activities within a society..
After tragedy, follows blame, blame needs a scapegoat, tragedy will not be redeemed until a scapegoat is undone.
Society will not blame itself, never, not until it is forced to.
To deem ones beliefs untrue, deems ones lifes and truths untrue.

USA will not alter the constitution for a greater good, unless the point arises where any other choice of action would seem blasphamous. Come to terms with this.
In these times the world is freakishly damned small, compared to minor generations before. Communication, connection, intelligence, EVERYTHING.. Is not longer bound by limits from nature, it is open and free. (The last 20 years will be branded into history books, mark my words, you have no idea what an immense fase we were born into.)... This all makes us forget that people living on the other side of our pretty ball are living seperate, individual and different lives than ours. Similar, yes.. But different in its ways.

Wow I got really drifted off there, sorry... Conclusion: guns, i guess.

[Mikal]

Someone get me a tissue!
Lol Dutchy pretty much true though, good luck with your gun problem America.

[SugarD]

...good luck with your gun problem America.

Good luck with your gun problem too. I really hope your country's police force arms it's officers soon, because violent crime is on the rise worldwide, regardless of what laws our homes create.

[Marcel]

Good luck with your gun problem too. I really hope your country's police force arms it's officers soon, because violent crime is on the rise worldwide, regardless of what laws our homes create.

I have yet to see a gun problem in my country, where small arms are strictly restricted to shooting clubs. A few minor incidents, but nothing serious like Columbine or people shooting at cops with AK's.