Piers Morgan: No regrets over calling US gun lobby stupid

[Dutchy]

So, you're saying that I should sacrifice myself by trying to shoot someone who has a real gun aimed at me with rubber bullets? Because i cannot kill shoot him with a real gun? So he can come and threaten me but i still have no right to end his criminal scum life?

Maybe lately I've been contemplating 'morals' too much, as if "criminals" AKA bad morals are worth less than good moraled people. Or maybe I was focusing on the fact that you CAN save your own life, WITHOUT specifically taking one. I'm not talking about Gandhi/MLK non violence accept the anger of the aggressor shit. No. I'm simply saying that bullets are meant to kill, non lethals are meant to temp disable.

[SugarD]

Yes because criminal drug dealers (the main ones who use guns for bad) are running round gagging to shoot at innocent civilians.

Actually yes...yes they are. If they see someone they want to rob, they won't hesitate. I've been robbed at gunpoint 3 times as a kid. AS A KID. I'm lucky that I wasn't shot any of those times. I probably wouldn't be so lucky if I were an adult in those situations...

[[WS]Jacob]

Actually yes...yes they are. If they see someone they want to rob, they won't hesitate. I've been robbed at gunpoint 3 times as a kid. AS A KID. I'm lucky that I wasn't shot any of those times. I probably wouldn't be so lucky if I were an adult in those situations...

So is your President gonna go do anything about it or allow kids to be shot and robbed at gunpoint in your streets?

[SugarD]

So is your President gonna go do anything about it or allow kids to be shot and robbed at gunpoint in your streets?

What do you expect him to do? Police funding nationally is horrible. Cops can't even respond to the 911 calls fast enough, let alone patrol or take reports. The only solution at this point is self-protection, but we see how that topic is going already :P

[John_Goldman]

Okay, so basically we should have people resort to less lethal self defense techniques? You see the main difference is our criminals actually have guns. While yours may not, OURS do. We can't do ANYTHING about them owning guns. They do not obtain them legally, therefore untrackable. Our criminals will ALWAYS have guns, and I know you didn't get it the first time so let me restate it in caps and in bold: THERE IS LITERALLY, AND I MEAN LITERALLY NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT CRIMINALS GETTING GUNS. Notice how I said literally twice. This means not one of your theories will work, no matter how many times you think it will. I know you still won't get it even after I said it again in caps and bold, but my words are solid fact.

Take it like this, say you're unarmed right? A criminal(sidenote: a criminal is NOT a law abiding citizen) approaches you, takes out his gun(remember how I stated we can't do anything about them having guns?) and aims it at your face. He has no intention of robbing you, he only means to kill you. You reach for your pepper spray(less lethal technique you suggested) and you spray him. The pepper spray only pisses him off. It  has no affect on him.(sidenote: pepper sprays/tazers DO NOT effect everyone) He shoots you and now you're dead. The police show up 5 minutes later and say, "Aw shit, poor guy.."

Scenario two: You're armed this time, you're ready.(sidenote: you're a law abiding citizen, you have no intention of killing anyone, you simply have a gun to defend yourself if the shit hits the fan) A criminal approaches you and aims a gun at your face. He simply wants to kill you. You take out your weapon(sidenote: your weapon was bought completely legally) and place 3 rounds in the criminals chest. The criminal dies at the scene. The police show up 5 minutes later and say, "Aw shit.. you're lucky."

OUR criminals have guns. We need to be one level higher than the criminals or else total chaos will happen.







small sidenote; while I can't own a fully automatic gun in my state, many states allow you to own a fully auto providing you're not mentally ill and you match all their very strict requirements.

And I just want to say it one more time, even though no one will understand it: There is LITERALLY NOTHING we can do about criminals obtaining guns.

[Mikal]

What do you expect him to do? Police funding nationally is horrible. Cops can't even respond to the 911 calls fast enough, let alone patrol or take reports. The only solution at this point is self-protection, but we see how that topic is going already :P

Well maybe it's time to step down from the 'super power' position and manage your own country (not you, your government), I mean they waste billions and billions, more than every other country on Earth put together on the military, WHY?! Why do they need such a large military?! Do they plan on doing what Hitler tried to do? Thats honestly the only reason I could think of a country needing such a large military, all that money could be going on gun removal and policing, it's ok having the muscles, but you can't use them if you don't have the brains, something which the US Gov. lacks.

[Mr. Goobii]

There is a lot of threats against USA, if you would be in that position, you would like to have some security too.

Right Mikal? 

[XSniper]

Okay, so basically we should have people resort to less lethal self defense techniques? You see the main difference is our criminals actually have guns. While yours may not, OURS do. We can't do ANYTHING about them owning guns. They do not obtain them legally, therefore untrackable. Our criminals will ALWAYS have guns, and I know you didn't get it the first time so let me restate it in caps and in bold: THERE IS LITERALLY, AND I MEAN LITERALLY NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT CRIMINALS GETTING GUNS. Notice how I said literally twice. This means not one of your theories will work, no matter how many times you think it will. I know you still won't get it even after I said it again in caps and bold, but my words are solid fact.

Take it like this, say you're unarmed right? A criminal(sidenote: a criminal is NOT a law abiding citizen) approaches you, takes out his gun(remember how I stated we can't do anything about them having guns?) and aims it at your face. He has no intention of robbing you, he only means to kill you. You reach for your pepper spray(less lethal technique you suggested) and you spray him. The pepper spray only pisses him off. It  has no affect on him.(sidenote: pepper sprays/tazers DO NOT effect everyone) He shoots you and now you're dead. The police show up 5 minutes later and say, "Aw shit, poor guy.."

Scenario two: You're armed this time, you're ready.(sidenote: you're a law abiding citizen, you have no intention of killing anyone, you simply have a gun to defend yourself if the shit hits the fan) A criminal approaches you and aims a gun at your face. He simply wants to kill you. You take out your weapon(sidenote: your weapon was bought completely legally) and place 3 rounds in the criminals chest. The criminal dies at the scene. The police show up 5 minutes later and say, "Aw shit.. you're lucky."

OUR criminals have guns. We need to be one level higher than the criminals or else total chaos will happen.







small sidenote; while I can't own a fully automatic gun in my state, many states allow you to own a fully auto providing you're not mentally ill and you match all their very strict requirements.

And I just want to say it one more time, even though no one will understand it: There is LITERALLY NOTHING we can do about criminals obtaining guns.

Are you from the U.S? You have a UK flag under your avatar.


And I totally agree with what you said

[Mikal]

There is a lot of threats against USA, if you would be in that position, you would like to have some security too.

Right Mikal? 

Well, the US is the most hated country on Earth [FACT], and China/Russia couldn't wait to laugh about the whole Edward Snowden incident, and now the US gov. is having a tantrum and accusing them of helping him escape their grasp, I find it funny actually how the US tries to enforce it's own laws in other countries, constantly saying 'It would be in the best interests of blablabla country to uphold the law' - When they are talking about US law, I'm starting to think they think they run the whole world, can't manage their own country, never mind them all.

[Dolfagr]

Said it before, guns don't make you feel safe but powerful. Just like authority they are seductive but when wrongly used it can have devastating results. Both the gun problem and excessive criminal activity route from the American society and way of life, so that's where the government needs to focus at.

[John_Goldman]

Are you from the U.S? You have a UK flag under your avatar.


And I totally agree with what you said

Yes, I'm from the US I'm not sure why it says the UK nor do I know how to fix it.

Said it before, guns don't make you feel safe but powerful. Just like authority they are seductive but when wrongly used it can have devastating results. Both the gun problem and excessive criminal activity route from the American society and way of life, so that's where the government needs to focus at.

A gun has never made me feel powerful. I do however, feel safe when there's one around(providing it's in the correct hands)

[Dutchy]

We get it, ATF is doing a shitty job.
Pepper spray does work on everyone, it depends how close to the eyes and forehead you get.
Tazers are... Hmm. Know anyone resistant to electricity? A right shot, he's on the ground, leg it/take his gun/etc...
It's always about being one level higher than what the 'enemy' has. Fighting fire with more fire, does not put one out.

You're all scaring yourself, with dangers and threats of probable events, taking huge measures in securing your safety. You do realise that when a news network actually has any emotional influence on you, may it be outrage, sadness or joy, you're playing their game, following the same ideals and political/economical views... Pro-gun seems like an entire cultural aspect of certain cities and states. Take the guns away, take the culture away? And what a culture.

Look, find an alternative for civil protection or maintain the same issues.
I think I've said enough in this thread, it's clear that cultural indoctrination and idealism have once again taken its toll on progressive thinking.

[Mikal]

Learn how to throw playing cards.. They hurt.

[John_Goldman]

Pepper spray does work on everyone, it depends how close to the eyes and forehead you get.
Tazers are... Hmm. Know anyone resistant to electricity? A right shot, he's on the ground, leg it/take his gun/etc...
It's always about being one level higher than what the 'enemy' has. Fighting fire with more fire, does not put one out.

You're all scaring yourself, with dangers and threats of probable events, taking huge measures in securing your safety. You do realise that when a news network actually has any emotional influence on you, may it be outrage, sadness or joy, you're playing their game, following the same ideals and political/economical views... Pro-gun seems like an entire cultural aspect of certain cities and states. Take the guns away, take the culture away? And what a culture.

Look, find an alternative for civil protection or maintain the same issues.
I think I've said enough in this thread, it's clear that cultural indoctrination and idealism have once again taken its toll on progressive thinking.

You're kidding, right?

Taser does not stop Police Lieutenant

Notice how he can still go towards the tazer with a bat type weapon. Imagine how easy it would be to just pull the trigger with a gun while tazed. What if it's winter? A tazer doesn't go through thick clothing. What if the guy is at a range where a taser is ineffective? What if the taser is inaccurate and misses and now the guy shoots you? What if it's windy and carries the darts away from your suspect? What if the guy is just so pumped up on adrenaline that the taser just no effect?

Now for the pepper spray:
What if it's windy and carries the spray right into your face? What if the guy is too far for pepper spray? What if he's wearing glasses and a mask? What if the guy is so pumped up on adrenaline where it has no effect?

A gun has an effect on everyone, especially when they're dead. I'm sorry if you live a GTA world where you respawn after you die, but this is the real world. We don't respawn, you have ONE life and one life only - live it to your fullest. If it's either me or some asshole criminal, I'll kill him every time. You would too if you value your life.


I learned the taser/pepper spray stuff in a Criminal Justice class(a police class, basically) so it is not inaccurate. I have also talked to many police officers who have said pepper spray just pisses a lot of guys off and makes them want to kill you more.

Crime does happen, especially when your area is filled with gangs(such as mine.) Just because crime like this doesn't happen in your country or area, doesn't mean it doesn't happen in mine.

EDIT: Here's a video showing how pepper spray just pisses this guy off, if you need more proof.

World's Wildest Police Videos: Invincible Maniac Loves Pepper Spray

[Mikal]

  Funny how you resort to finding the small number of failures in non-lethal weapons to make them look useless, just shows how desperate you are to hold onto guns, for some odd reason.