Piers Morgan: No regrets over calling US gun lobby stupid

[SugarD]

Well maybe it's time to step down from the 'super power' position and manage your own country (not you, your government), I mean they waste billions and billions, more than every other country on Earth put together on the military, WHY?! Why do they need such a large military?! Do they plan on doing what Hitler tried to do? Thats honestly the only reason I could think of a country needing such a large military, all that money could be going on gun removal and policing, it's ok having the muscles, but you can't use them if you don't have the brains, something which the US Gov. lacks.

The military funding WAS cut. The lack of police funding is not a federal issue, it is a state one. You clearly don't understand how the system works. Regardless of any of this, that has nothing to do with people self-arming themselves to protect themselves from malicious criminals. I also do not appreciate you implying that we are some evil country that is going to enslave people like Hitler did.

[Mikal]

I also do not appreciate you implying that we are some evil country that is going to enslave people like Hitler did.

Well then blame the way your government acts.

Military cuts you say, strange, arnt they still building a few more aircraft carriers? :poke:

[SugarD]

Well then blame the way your government acts.

Military cuts you say, strange, arnt they still building a few more aircraft carriers? :poke:

The way my government acts has nothing to do with a lack of state funding.

[~Legend~]

America's codified constitution was set up predominantly (and only naturally) to base laws on the situation at the time and try and make it as encompassing as possible. It takes away the 'absolute power' of any head of state, but it's not completely unmovable. It's impossible to make a codified constitution that's both usable and all exhaustive. It should really be just a model of laws and ideals to build on.

Some things the US can learn from other countries. To many people, some of their systems and especially those at state level would seem absurd. I guess they have grown into it, but maybe should adapt to changes which will bring greater long term benefits. In a way, with the heated debate about guns it's a bit like UK's issues with hunting.

Piers Morgan has perhaps said some things in the past which has brought a lot of criticism (but then again, he's in a very opinionated job :P), but with this he's pretty much hit on something that the majority on a world scale would agree with. Would be interesting to see what would happen, say the UN got involved - though that's very, very unlikely given that it's  a wholly national thing, not a world issue by any means and simply is capturing news headlines in other countries due to USA's economic clout and of course, the past events.

[John_Goldman]

Funny how you resort to finding the small number of failures in non-lethal weapons to make them look useless, just shows how desperate you are to hold onto guns, for some odd reason.

I will personally buy you a plane ticket to America, along with a taser and pepper spray then I will invite you to the ghettos and you can see how well a taser or pepper spray holds up against an armed gang member. Ask any American police officer how well either of these non-lethal options works against someone with a gun.

[Mikal]

I will personally buy you a plane ticket to America, along with a taser and pepper spray then I will invite you to the ghettos and you can see how well a taser or pepper spray holds up against an armed gang member. Ask any American police officer how well either of these non-lethal options works against someone with a gun.

So what you're saying is, unless you live in a ghetto, you don't need a gun for self defence.

[John_Goldman]

So what you're saying is, unless you live in a ghetto, you don't need a gun for self defence.

No, I'm saying you're much more likely to be robbed or shot in Compton then a town of 25 people. Does violent crime still exist in small towns? Of course, but personally I wouldn't go into a ghetto area without a gun. I have this personal policy of never becoming a victim. Some people want to be victims, but that's their choice.

[EliteTerm]

[Dutchy]

Phone and condom. Gun would be the worst, because she took another man's life. +1 -1 = 0.



All 3. +the man spends (most) his life incarcerated, which is preferable should you want to punish him as hard as possible.

I'm telling you, final statement: Maintaining widespread firearm tolerance will NEVER stablise illegal gun murders, it will increase or conserve. Illegalising firear ANYTHING will do the opposite of withdrawing appearance and influence. >BALANCE< from birth to death, life in its entirety is BASED. ON. BALANCE. Too much of something, bad; too little, bad. JESUS IT'S A GODDAMN KIDSTALE!! Poppa bear(US) has really hot soup. Momma bear(UK) has really cold soup. But baby bear(NL) has his soup juuussst right... I'm not saying NL is a profane example of all that is good in the world, but I'm not denying our lack of gun problems (even tho every country has it). What we did in the 70s/80s to decrease heroin addiction was give people AN ALTERNATIVE, something less influent, but in the long run, as useful. Heroin. Addiction. Gone.
I'm not talking about drugs, I'm talking about human psych, this applies to A LOT of aspects in society.
Get the hint?

Yang guns - yin hugs.
Hug guns, get pepper.

I'm out, for real.

[John_Goldman]

Phone and condom. Gun would be the worst, because she took another man's life. +1 -1 = 0.



All 3. +the man spends (most) his life incarcerated, which is preferable should you want to punish him as hard as possible.

I'm telling you, final statement: Maintaining widespread firearm tolerance will NEVER stablise illegal gun murders, it will increase or conserve. Illegalising firear ANYTHING will do the opposite of withdrawing appearance and influence. >BALANCE< from birth to death, life in its entirety is BASED. ON. BALANCE. Too much of something, bad; too little, bad. JESUS IT'S A GODDAMN KIDSTALE!! Poppa bear(US) has really hot soup. Momma bear(UK) has really cold soup. But baby bear(NL) has his soup juuussst right... I'm not saying NL is a profane example of all that is good in the world, but I'm not denying our lack of gun problems (even tho every country has it). What we did in the 70s/80s to decrease heroin addiction was give people AN ALTERNATIVE, something less influent, but in the long run, as useful. Heroin. Addiction. Gone.
I'm not talking about drugs, I'm talking about human psych, this applies to A LOT of aspects in society.
Get the hint?

Yang guns - yin hugs.
Hug guns, get pepper.

I'm out, for real.

Guns the worst because obviously when there's a gun involved, it must be fired? What if she just aimed it? Less than one percent of people who use guns for self defense actually fire the gun. Plus, even if the daughter shot and killed the rapist, who cares? It was a piece of shit rapist. One less asshole on this earth and as far as I'm concerned, that's a positive. When someone gets locked up(note, he wouldn't serve life for rape) the tax payers have to pay for him. So every time some asshole criminal is killed, it saves the tax payers a lot of money. Win win in my books.

[Dutchy]

Guns the worst because obviously when there's a gun involved, it must be fired? What if she just aimed it? Less than one percent of people who use guns for self defense actually fire the gun. Plus, even if the daughter shot and killed the rapist, who cares? It was a piece of shit rapist. One less asshole on this earth and as far as I'm concerned, that's a positive. When someone gets locked up(note, he wouldn't serve life for rape) the tax payers have to pay for him. So every time some asshole criminal is killed, it saves the tax payers a lot of money. Win win in my books.

The best defense, is offense - Great quote, has a lot of truth, really applicable -- DURING WAR.
In specific situations guns are more reliant than non-lethals, but to damage an entirety with goals to inflict a few, is not progress.
From this point on, discuss what you will because..

I'm out, for real.

[Mikal]

Can I just clarify, it's called defence, not defense.

Guns the worst because obviously when there's a gun involved, it must be fired? What if she just aimed it? Less than one percent of people who use guns for self defense actually fire the gun. Plus, even if the daughter shot and killed the rapist, who cares? It was a piece of shit rapist. One less asshole on this earth and as far as I'm concerned, that's a positive. When someone gets locked up(note, he wouldn't serve life for rape) the tax payers have to pay for him. So every time some asshole criminal is killed, it saves the tax payers a lot of money. Win win in my books.

Ok, and everytime an asshole grabs his relatives legal gun and goes on a killing spree, thats a win win too? Not really.

[SugarD]

Can I just clarify, it's called defence, not defense.

That depends on the variation of the English language you use.

[John_Goldman]

Can I just clarify, it's called defence, not defense.
Ok, and everytime an asshole grabs his relatives legal gun and goes on a killing spree, thats a win win too? Not really.

No, innocent people dying is a lose-lose situation. A criminal, more specifically a rapist, dying is usually a win win.

[Mikal]

That depends on the variation of the English language you use.

The one without all the spelling mistakes.

No, innocent people dying is a lose-lose situation. A criminal, more specifically a rapist, dying is usually a win win.

Well more innocent people die by the gun per day than criminals, so your logic on how they are good is flawed.