Piers Morgan: No regrets over calling US gun lobby stupid

[John_Goldman]

The one without all the spelling mistakes.
Well more innocent people die by the gun per day than criminals, so your logic on how they are good is flawed.

The majority of our homicides are gang related so not many innocent people are dying. Do some innocent people get killed every day, yeah, but the vast majority are gang members in cities such as Chicago, Detroit, and Los Angeles. We can't keep the gangs from killing each other, that will never stop.

[Mikal]

People guy guns legal, they then sell them guns to criminal gangs, the ease of the person buying the gun legally is how gangs get guns, if guns were harder to get, gangs would have to go through a larger process of getting them, instead of just getting a 'legit' person to buy one from your local ammunation. :roll:

[John_Goldman]

People guy guns legal, they then sell them guns to criminal gangs, the ease of the person buying the gun legally is how gangs get guns, if guns were harder to get, gangs would have to go through a larger process of getting them, instead of just getting a 'legit' person to buy one from your local ammunation. :roll:

"A 1997 U.S. Justice Department survey of 14,285 state prison inmates found that among those inmates who carried a firearm during the offense for which they were sent to jail, 0.7% obtained the firearm at a gun show, 1% at a flea market, 3.8% from a pawn shop, 8.3% from a retail store, 39.2% through an illegal/street source, and 39.6% through family or friends.[94]"

While it is true that most(barely most) get their guns through straw purchases(having a friend buy it for them), illegal ones are a close second. I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers have changed since 1997, especially because it's probably easier to get a gun illegally than legally.

I'll link you an unbiased gun control fact page just so you can see the FACTS(sidenote: facts are not opinions, meaning just because you disagree with the facts doesn't mean they're incorrect.)

I also advise anyone wishing to learn more about gun laws/gun control to visit this website.

http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

[Pandalink]

The one without all the spelling mistakes.

do you feel good about yourself

[Adam.]

<responding to all your posts>

<script type=sarcasm>With your logic then, guns should be banned from all video games, and anything to do with it, because it makes people want to kill others by planting the seed. How about we ban Call of Duty, and Battlefield, and ARMA, or anything having to do with guns then? Surely that will make people want to kill less often </script>.

Guns don't kill people. People kill people. It takes a person to pull a trigger, and no matter what they will get guns. You say that banning guns would make it harder to get, but have you ever thought about the fact that the Mexican drug cartels ship thousands (I mean THOUSANDS) of guns across the border every day? Have you considered that a criminal is a criminal anyways? A criminal does not care about laws. Therefore they will not listen to laws banning guns, simply because they do not care in the first place. Then, a criminal can shoot others in peace because he would go completely unopposed. Here is an excerpt from an article I found:

"Since the gun ban in 1998, the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has risen by 89%, and in some areas of the country has leapt by as much as 500%."

Don't you think that says something? You claim about how much of a paradise the gun-free UK is, but in all reality it's a disaster. Even your police are unarmed, so when a dude with a machete comes around killing everyone, nobody can shoot him down due to the fact that this guy could take down an entire line of police in one motion of his arms, simply because nobody can stop him. Perhaps you should mention how someone killed over 30 people with a rifle and shotgun in the U.K., because he was completely unopposed. See where I'm going? banning guns would make it worse. And again, it will not make it harder for criminals to get, simply because if they already have them, what makes you think they're going to hand it over to the police? With that logic they might as well turn themselves in for all the crimes they committed while handing their firearms over. See? It's never going to happen.

[Mikal]

Did not say guns should be banned from games, wouldn't want them to be, although it is a fact that people do/try to imitate what they see on screen, not saying everyone is going to pick up a gun and go on a killing spree, because they are not, but it doesn't change the fact that you have the biggest gun problem in the world, for a modernised country anyway, not reading the rest of your post, don't have all day to argue with you.

[Adam.]

Then somehow you can argue with everyone else? Seems as if you have nothing TO say to my post because you can't counter the truth...

[Mikal]

Then somehow you can argue with everyone else? Seems as if you have nothing TO say to my post because you can't counter the truth...

Or maybe because I had work this morning and was too busy getting ready to go to bother reading your whole post? Some people have jobs, and can't sit on the forums all day, not that I will even bother reading what you said now that I'm home. :razz:

[Jason_Bridges]

What exactly is your suggestion Mikal? To 'remove' guns from the US? Are you even trying to prove a point or are you just expressing your hatred for guns and criticising the US for the situation they're in now, without even attempting to suggest a useful/valid solution?

do you feel good about yourself

[Mikal]

What exactly is your suggestion Mikal? To 'remove' guns from the US? Are you even trying to prove a point or are you just expressing your hatred for guns and criticising the US for the situation they're in now, without even attempting to suggest a useful/valid solution?

Yes, removing guns.. :poke:

[Jason_Bridges]

How exactly would that be done... bearing in mind there are what? 12,000,000+ registered firearm owners in the US

What good do you think would come form that? And don't say anything like 'reduced crime' because registered gun owners aren't the ones who commit murders and robberies...

[SugarD]

The one without all the spelling mistakes.

So you use both? Alrighty.

[Cero]

I completely support the second amendment and believe "banning" guns would not help one bit.

[Jubin]

No, innocent people dying is a lose-lose situation. A criminal, more specifically a rapist, dying is usually a win win.

What if it was someone who actually needed mental help,without prior criminal record at all. So a underage girl can take life and death matters into her own hand. I am not really comfortable with that. I sure am not going to Florida, where a white male can go on a killing spree and later say: "Well I felt like my life was in danger so I shot the person." And get away with it.

[Cero]

What if it was someone who actually needed mental help,without prior criminal record at all. So a underage girl can take life and death matters into her own hand. I am not really comfortable with that. I sure am not going to Florida, where a white male can go on a killing spree and later say: "Well I felt like my life was in danger so I shot the person." And get away with it.

1.
Confirmed for not knowing anything about the Zimmerman case, keep gobbling up whatever the media throws at you.



Anyone who thinks Zimmerman was guilty should take the time to watch the video I just linked, it really does put things into perspective.

2. If anyone wants to kill themselves, they don't need a gun to do it. Where there is a will, there is a way.

I won't let my principles be swayed by such poor arguments.