Hi,
What is the support mechanism for criminal or family groups?
Is there a policy defined?
What kind of support?
We already support groups that deserve it by giving them a free HQ and vehicles.
What makes a group more deserving to get a free HQ/vehicles than other groups?Isn't that obvious?
What makes a group more deserving to get a free HQ/vehicles than other groups?Its easy to know that your group has to be good with admins/managers,don't Rule break,Always organize big RPes,Recruit good RPers that's the basic things you need to do for recognized status !
Its easy to know that your group has to be good with admins/managers.................
You mean asslicking?
You mean asslicking?Being good with anyone isn't asslicking as mush as I concerned.
What current groups have been approved under this policy?
Always organize big RPesI want to cry now
My group that I started back in March(?) recived official status, we got some cars and money for houses.Well good on you then.
Luciano, Corleone, Gvardia(?) and Grove Street.Unfortunately it seems the system is more in favor of / designed for pro criminal groups.
All we ask is that you control your group and keep members in line as they are your responsibility as the group leader. Not to pick anyone out but if Luciano can acquire it twice the second time after turning their shit around then am sure anyone can achieve it.
Luciano, Corleone, Gvardia(?) and Grove Street.
All we ask is that you control your group and keep members in line as they are your responsibility as the group leader. Not to pick anyone out but if Luciano can acquire it twice the second time after turning their shit around then am sure anyone can achieve it.
Is there a way I can see my members's punishment history via the panel?
I believe Gozlan received their vehicles and HQ.
Monte if I had to be honest it's more swayed to criminal groups than anything.But doesn't the SAPD, FBI, AirDiv, ASID, SWAT and so on also using it despite their 'unique' separate scripts?
Apart from a HQ and cars, what else is included in the support package?Ability to use the Drug Market, only given to the group founder/leader, though.
I want to cry nowWhy :cry: I feel for you.
Ability to use the Drug Market, only given to the group founder/leader, though.
What does this mean?
But doesn't the SAPD, FBI, AirDiv, ASID, SWAT and so on also using it despite their 'unique' separate scripts?
But doesn't the SAPD, FBI, AirDiv, ASID, SWAT and so on also using it despite their 'unique' separate scripts?
How do groups apply for funding?
How do groups apply for funding?There's no application. You've to prove yourself. I suggest reading "updates for groups" topic by Devin.
Apart from a HQ and cars, what else is included in the support package?Nothing.
How do groups apply for funding?There is no founding.
Nothing.There is no founding.What kind of support?
And yes groups needs way more support, not just offical and recognised, yet all, as you can see most groups are down/inactive. Does HQ has any plans for it?
We aren't here to babysit or act as group daycare them to make sure they are all active, it's funny how HQ blamed for groups inactivity when we aren't even part of any.Maybe that's part of the problem?
What kind of support?Script support that encourages gang wars, cargo raids, bank robberies(this is happening, but I got more hope in hl3 than this getting ever released).
If HQ and vehicles are not enough, then I guess next step would be free weaponry of choice and perhaps few scripted bombs..?
Another interesting question... When/how/why do groups lose theirs rights and what happens to their HQ? Also I believe official groups also recieve 1m am I wrong?
Another interesting question... When/how/why do groups lose theirs rights and what happens to their HQ? Also I believe official groups also recieve 1m am I wrong?When they no longer meet the requirements. Yes, you are wrong.
How is groups being inactive our problem, I quite don't understand that one really since isn't it up to the groups members/leaders to stay active?Its the problem of the entire server, its our mutual problem, and you guys are on the top of the hierarchy.
We aren't here to babysit or act as group daycare them to make sure they are all active, it's funny how HQ blamed for groups inactivity when we aren't even part of any. But if your going to come with the "but nothing for groups text" then save it it ain't going to prove whatever point you are trying to make here.
What happen to territory control, the protection script
Pahaha, we're still updating the scripts ? noice.
Also I believe official groups also recieve 1m am I wrong?
Its the problem of the entire server, its our mutual problem, and you guys are on the top of the hierarchy.
No one needs you to babysit, but you gotta provide reasonable enough conditions and demands when it goes to group script and support.
What happen to territory control, the protection script, the development of drug script, the robbery script, etc?
All I did was asked whats the HQ plans for groups script, so we can know what to expect from you guys, and that's all most of us are interesting in hearing.
I don't deal with scripts, I have no control over developers or what they do or plan to do. It's up to the developers to inform of what they are doing and what is coming in terms of new features or fixes. Direct your questions about scripts to them where a actual answer can be given, in-fact we have a topic set-up just for that.I directed to the HQ, cause I thought you guys make decisions and plans together, while the scripters make those decisions/plans happen in reality. My mistake.
Way you go on you blame SA:MP HQ for group inactivity yet I fail to see how it is our fault? :uhm:
Again direct script questions to developers they are the one's who can make it so HQ's can be used, in-fact there's a way I could make it useable just set it to the house icon and have someone buy the property for $1. (need a house license though but can easily provide funds to buy one).
There is no way to spawn cash. So this option is impossible.
Can we consider increasing support to groups, through short term cash?
I'll be bland, once you stop leading deathmatch fests at GS9 with the only goal to antagonize police and other groups
Just for your information Frank, the last 6 months you lost 130k just by being killed as suspect and buying deagles.
I'm sure you all could get enough cash if you had priorities on what you are buying.
Being a part of some of that situations I can say that it's not Franks nor the NBA's fault, it's the damn freaking groups coming there with the intentions of starting a shootout because they know if they gather a few people from two certain groups and goes to GS9 they know they will get a shootout. So I'd not blame everything on Frank.And what about that if someone goes to GS9 for re-fueling a car / to go on mechanic duty or even he just want to stand at GS9 for to do his duty then several players come and shouts ''get out of here'' or ''this is Balla's turf'' and then they kill you for no reason
That awkward moment when that was you like 3 years ago IN Frank's group.
And what about that if someone goes to GS9 for re-fueling a car / to go on mechanic duty or even he just want to stand at GS9 for to do his duty then several players come and shouts ''get out of here'' or ''this is Balla's turf'' and then they kill you for no reasonWe ask you to pay "protection tax" or "f**k off". Most of us aren't ever armed.
And what about that if someone goes to GS9 for re-fueling a car / to go on mechanic duty or even he just want to stand at GS9 for to do his duty then several players come and shouts ''get out of here'' or ''this is Balla's turf'' and then they kill you for no reason
Oh please, just don't say money can't be spawn.
And what about that if someone goes to GS9 for re-fueling a car / to go on mechanic duty or even he just want to stand at GS9 for to do his duty then several players come and shouts ''get out of here'' or ''this is Balla's turf'' and then they kill you for no reason
The answers has been given about financial support. It's no and it won't change.Yes, we' the samp players, are used to being shut doors in their face.
The answer has been given about financial support. It's no and it won't change.
There is no cmd to spawn money, maybe. but there is ways to do so from the database.
Cyril, you've been inactive, so your argument about needing money is invalid. And nothing, nothing, can change my mind on this.
Hire more scripters to fix bugs, or release new features, because we need them, badly.
Then don't expect any difference ingame by the players.
This. Without getting what the players want will never help the server to rise once again.
Are you some kind of special? What players want is never what players get. What players want is never what players need.
So you want money for nothing, there's no way you will get given cash for no reason.
So you want free weapons, good one, there will never be free weapons.
I will rather have a server with a low player-count than a server where players think they are in a position to demand cash from HQ members for no reason at all.
Well, players are not crying for cash and free weapons. If you don't want to give those things what are demanded by the player, then come up with some solution instead of saying a no directly.
Well, players are not crying for cash and free weapons. If you don't want to give those things what are demanded by the player, then come up with some solution instead of saying a no directly.
Then don't expect any difference ingame by the players.
This. Without getting what the players want will never help the server to rise once again.
Well, players are not crying for cash and free weapons. If you don't want to give those things what are demanded by the player, then come up with some solution instead of saying a no directly.
So rather say no indirectly? Now that's not how I prefer to do things.
If something is unnecessary I will say no. RS4 worked without HQ having to pay for everyones groups, within RS5 groups shall learn how to be self sufficient or perish.
That's great coming from someone who didn't like two moderators so decided to quit and go all salty.
or perish.You talk like you've got a server with a stable 100 players something and that the absense of these 3 or 4 groups wont matter. What you don't know is that these groups are the only active people on the server. If you don't make something that actually satisfies people then we both know what happens next.
And that I've realized no matter what we do, nothing will change. That's why I and the rest of the 100 players quit.
You didn't quit, you are banned.
Which was what I aimed for. :)
You talk like you've got a server with a stable 100 players something and that the absense of these 3 or 4 groups wont matter. What you don't know is that these groups are the only active people on the server. If you don't make something that actually satisfies people then we both know what happens next.
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That's great coming from someone who didn't like two moderators so decided to quit and go all salty.
Then those that just want and want without doing anything can rightfully piss off, you think we are going to give into pressure to issue money as a way of group support? Players don't get to decide what support we issue for groups, should consider lucky we even give anything since so many don't deserve it.
See there it is again "demand" just shows that you aren't willing to do anything to rightfully earn anything.
If you say that learn how to be self sufficient, then do/fix the script more quick. Get more ideas, get more scripts to earn money. Hire more scripters, get them on work and work with the server more.
You talk like you've got a server with a stable 100 players something and that the absense of these 3 or 4 groups wont matter. What you don't know is that these groups are the only active people on the server. If you don't make something that actually satisfies people then we both know what happens next.
And no, I'm not talking about free money, I'm talking about fixing/continuing what you started.
I'll never agree to issue money to the groups for no reason when they're been given vehicle after they get recognized. Every problem has a solution. Do something regarding the criminal script. Criminals are still waiting for the bank robbery script. I don't see any reason behind posting a topic regarding a script which doesn't even have a base? Work on the script, release it, get ideas, implement them. This is the way we should work out.
How about we all stop complaining about virtual money and grow up a bit? I thought we are here to role-play and enjoy, not make future salary for our kids.
Not really. The active groups are in-game working their way up, not on the forum begging for random things.Oh right, lemme show you how active they are:
Most Active Groups This Month
SAA 6774 minutes
CIA 2945 minutes
Kolta 2772 minutes
Sforza 2346 minutes
RockStar 1338 minutes
Last I heard this was a roleplay server, not an economy/money based server. What's the goal here because all I see is people wanting money when the actual server is based around roleplay.
Oh well, then I guess I won't have to listen to nonsense from people that can't respect others within this community anymore.
We put in our time to try and help out yet the only thing people seem to care about is themselves and their virtual money on a roleplay game.
Oh right, lemme show you how active they are:It's in that average since 4 months ago.
CIA, only active because of khm, who is doing admin stuff.
It's in that average since 4 months ago.I bet it's bugged or something, wow, what a surprise!
Some people complain we don't listen to players, yet most of RS5 scripts come from the Idea Boards :uhm:Which had such a wide range of ideas, that it's not difficult to make that claim while implementing whatever Gandalf wanted.
Then those that just want and want without doing anything can rightfully piss off, you think we are going to give into pressure to issue money as a way of group support? Players don't get to decide what support we issue for groups, should consider lucky we even give anything since so many don't deserve it.With all due respect, people have been rightfully pissing off. Make a return of BSF then, at least for a period of time, so that people can at least get their capital started up, while being able to have a RP job that they want, I mean, trucking or firemen, that's a huge variety of jobs isn't it..
Anyway, it's silly to think it's a bad thing that people want money for guns for shootouts and chases and stuff, I mean, how else are cops going to make money, why else would you buy fast cars, why else would you play GTA? Lol..
When is the last time you spent an entire day trucking, Cyril? Rusty? Devin? No? So you don't actually have any idea how idiotically boring it is?
What kind of a roleplay server? In my point of view, no one RP'es around the server. My first opinion, why don't we force a player to RP? Why there's no IC and OCC? It's a RP server, but no one is forced to RP. Good logic I see behind.
Okay. You posted a topic regarding a new script just to get compliments and ideas about it. You posted the topic before even you started to script it. Why? Script that thing and then post a topic before loading it into the game, instead of posting a topic so earlier.
It's a roleplay server, not some kind of cops and robbers...Name one roleplay scenario that is encouraged by the server. None, because you aren't forcing roleplay nor supporting it.
You don't need guns nor fast cars. They are only tools.
When is the last time you spent an entire day trucking, Cyril? Rusty? Devin? No? So you don't actually have any idea how idiotically boring it is?
Name one roleplay scenario that is encouraged by the server. None, because you aren't forcing roleplay nor supporting it.
Take medic roleplay, none does it anymore because no one goes on medic duty. I saw someone offering 4k for a medic to rp, no one cared.
My point being, people had large capitals before and worked a lot for that, they don't want to grind the same thing over and over again for days to have some fun, I'd be playing Destiny if I did, not SA:MP. I used to play SA:MP to have fun, not to work my ass off after I've been working my ass off all day already. When is the last time you spent an entire day trucking, Cyril? Rusty? Devin? No? So you don't actually have any idea how idiotically boring it is?
No one roleplays? Okay fine that's your opinion. Why don't we force roleplay? Because we are not some strict roleplay server where you get banned for not saying the right words in order or get admin jailed for a period of hours not minutes.
There's more roleplay on Argonath coming from new players than many old players, where does the problem lie now?
My point being, people had large capitals before and worked a lot for that, they don't want to grind the same thing over and over again for days to have some fun, I'd be playing Destiny if I did, not SA:MP. I used to play SA:MP to have fun, not to work my ass off after I've been working my ass off all day already. When is the last time you spent an entire day trucking, Cyril? Rusty? Devin? No? So you don't actually have any idea how idiotically boring it is?
Anyway, it's silly to think it's a bad thing that people want money for guns for shootouts and chases and stuff, I mean, how else are cops going to make money, why else would you buy fast cars, why else would you play GTA? Lol..
With all due respect, people have been rightfully pissing off. Make a return of BSF then, at least for a period of time, so that people can at least get their capital started up, while being able to have a RP job that they want, I mean, trucking or firemen, that's a huge variety of jobs isn't it..
Why are some of you guys so unthankfull :s
Its not all about money and shit..its about meeting new people and helping them around..
I bet there is at least 5-10 new players a day joining for the first time..PM them..help them..tell them what do to and what not to do..
Have fun instead of being unthankfull
This is like seeing the world talk about politics, and everything just gets worse.Everyone is welcome talk bullshit, it's not like anything will change.
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Everyone is welcome talk bullshit, it's not like anything will change.Mature and very helpful. :app: :app:
If you think sitting the whole day doing babysitting is not boring.. And while you earn money, we don't.
When is the last time you spent an entire day looking into logs, dealing with players queries, assisting others, ensuring the server is clean of people attempting to cheat and all at the same time trying to manage an administration team?Hey, now you know how it feels being told to "Just go out there and make money" as if it was the best thing ever. And for the record, last time was probably a couple of months ago, did you think you're so special that only you can have a management position within a community that you assume others don't know nothing?
So get lost with your f**king judgement of my team already.Never said nothing about Rusty, he's alright, actually reads what's being said and takes time to form a response and doesn't need three sets of ladders to reach his horse.
Why would I go trucking when I can go have more fun roleplaying with people I know?Exactly. But people still need money, because, hello, 2006 called, said it wants the phrase 'Just RP it' back. But hey, BSF would solve that issue, sure, there were many problems with people making companies and not actually offering anything in terms of roleplay, but people actually did RP jobs and you could always find something for you to do. But that's a discussion for another time, let's just say I haven't seen anyone use a towtruck, news van or a sweeper for their purpose since BSF closed down.
It's the way people go about wanting it by literally demanding we just give them, that is not how it works no matter if you see it differently. BSF re-starting is for someone above to consider (nope not Gandalf) I have my own area within SA:MP to go about.Yeah, there are better ways to go about it, but bottom line is that not having variety in terms of money making opportunities just drives people away. There was a time when a new player would ask how to make money, and they'd be told that there are a lot of different opportunities, but first they'd have to study for a passport to get to that, and meanwhile they can do some scripted jobs. People would line up for a passport and actually study for it, cause failing it would mean not having a job for even longer, and then they'd go out there and drive buses, or sell hotdogs or tend bars.
And for the record, last time was probably a couple of months ago, did you think you're so special that only you can have a management position within a community that you assume others don't know nothing?
I management position on Flight Simulator which is not even online hardly justifies anything but abuse within HQ of other parts of the community.....Speaking of high horses, do you think Argonath is the only community on the whole of the internet?
And no, BSF will never return.
....Speaking of high horses, do you think Argonath is the only community on the whole of the internet?
And hey, how do you know it won't, didn't you say you don't deal with scripts, and whatever scripters release, so be it? What if someone's scripting BSF in? :app:
I think the current system with recognized and official groups is fine. It shortens the process of obtaining support which was very lengthy or even near impossible in RS4 and before. In my opinion, a form of monetary support for business can be done, but it will require a very strict and transparent approval process, something which i think is very hard.
Minor boosts to the economy and drug market can solve this problem. Monitor the amount of cash in hands, banks and see how much moves around. If a majority of the money becomes idle, stop injecting into the economy and create means for it to be spent and used. This is where a group of people with knowledge of economy comes in handy. Get together once every two weeks, discuss the current situation with HQ and set goals for the next two weeks. This will install a stable economy where prices and activity are in balance and as such, a fertile soil for server growth in general will be set, creating reasons for new players to stick around and raise the server population in general.
Just my two cents.
This man should be made owner of the server. :app:
I think the current system with recognized and official groups is fine. It shortens the process of obtaining support which was very lengthy or even near impossible in RS4 and before. In my opinion, a form of monetary support for business can be done, but it will require a very strict and transparent approval process, something which i think is very hard.
Minor boosts to the economy and drug market can solve this problem. Monitor the amount of cash in hands, banks and see how much moves around. If a majority of the money becomes idle, stop injecting into the economy and create means for it to be spent and used. This is where a group of people with knowledge of economy comes in handy. Get together once every two weeks, discuss the current situation with HQ and set goals for the next two weeks. This will install a stable economy where prices and activity are in balance and as such, a fertile soil for server growth in general will be set, creating reasons for new players to stick around and raise the server population in general.
Just my two cents.
Here's a solution to everything, hire scripters who can get this wagon moving again. We don't need free money, we need actual, bug-less ways to earn it. And the ideas board is full of them.
Here's a solution to everything, hire scripters who can get this wagon moving again. We don't need free money, we need actual, bug-less ways to earn it. And the ideas board is full of them.
No money is being injected. All the money is already in the system, that's why we can't spawn it.In my message, injecting wasn't meant as spawning. The Bank of Argonath gets income from ATM usage and loans, which means that the government has money to spend, doesn't it? (correct me if i'm wrong, please). If that is indeed the case, that money can be used for minor injections to good initiatives by players. Just minor pushes, enough to steer the economy into a certain direction which is beneficial for the entire playerbase. Personal enrichment as a result of these injections can either be punishable as script abuse or subject to legal repercussions (court, hint hint).
Scripters who wants to help are free to talk to Gimli and show what they are capable of.No. They'll get rejected with pathetic excuses like "we don't need scripters", "we got enough scripters", "we got a lot of active scripters and we don't need more"
No. They'll get rejected with pathetic excuses like "we don't need scripters", "we got enough scripters", "we got a lot of active scripters and we don't need more"
Scripters who want to help are free to talk to Gimli and show what they are capable of.
I said BSF will not return which means it will not return, you don't need to try and throw yourself into matters that don't concern you.It's called 'Offering ideas', still haven't seen a reason to believe you don't need them, though pretty sure you'd ignore them based on them coming from me, not based on content anyway. Whatever reasons you have not to support BSF, you have to recognise the need for one, or at least a similar system, one that would reward players and promote RP at the same time, otherwise you have people asking about enforcing RP, since there's not enough of it otherwise. Suppose that's a better situation.
2. Argonath gives equal rights to new, experienced and admin players. We do not discriminate between players, and having admin rights or being a long time player does not give any of our players rights to act as better, higher or having more status as another.Because seriously, you're everything but saying "I'm leader, you're not, shut up" whenever I say anything.
No. They'll get rejected with pathetic excuses like "we don't need scripters", "we got enough scripters", "we got a lot of active scripters and we don't need more"Have you never spoken to Gimli before? D:
So yeah, BSF. Just needs more active control over who deserves money, more active than it was before, where no one actually gave two f**ks and the management never logged on.
Then if the person leading the scripting team thinks he has enough scripters, it's his right. He knows better than us after all.
Then if the person leading the scripting team thinks he has enough scripters, it's his right. He knows better than us after all.
Have you never spoken to Gimli before? D:Three times, rejected each time with a similar excuse. Also talked to Zaila like two times already.
Really you could just set-up a group for BSF in-game and allow specific people to withdraw money from the group bank account.Ohhhh yes, completely forgot about that system.
If we are giving support to groups then maybe we should do the same for businesses, in hind sight it's only fair.Not only fair, it would solve a bunch of issues.
Three times, rejected each time with a similar excuse. Also talked to Zaila like two times already.Oh that's weird, I think he's one of the most sensible person to talk about things like that.
Thinks? Do they even think what they are doing? I think we need someone to wake them up, shake their heads. If he says that he got much scripters then where's the work? Much..
Three times, rejected each time with a similar excuse. Also talked to Zaila like two times already.You've gotten rejected from the scripting team?
I could always ask what you are doing on Paruni if you would like?
I have one question why there isn't business profit script.I mean people work their ass off to earn then they buy any business but in the end there is just name of them in it as they can't get any benefit from it
I'm not blaming anyone from the management team, I blame the way you work.
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If you can't do a shit of the server, then please appoint someone else to manage it.
If you can't do a shit of the server, then please appoint someone else to manage it.
If you can't see what happens higher up, then stop talking.
Some people forgot this topic: http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=86639.0
Take your time to read it again.
Are you talking out of your butt? Or you're just arguing for arguing sakes?
KelvinC is appointed as the new leader of SA:MP. KelvinC does not have sufficient rights and cannot seem to reach Gandalf for any access arrangements despite months of attempts in doing so. KelvinC wishes to not repeat the same economy mistakes as there was in RS4. KelvinC is screwed. KelvinC is over. KelvinC.
Be considerate from a manager's point of view instead of suggesting ways of digging in shortcuts in order to reach your group or families standards.
The management have learnt from RS4 that supporting groups and families with financial support only leads to the economy becoming to a bad point where things are just beyond un-stable.
It's up to Gimli to decide if he wants more scripter or not.
Managers have no control on scripters.
It's up to Gimli to decide if he wants more scripter or not.I don't think that we need more scripters,I believe that current scripters can change the server, all we need to do is just little patch up in our server as I said that business profit script and few more for our criminal groups and as Gimli recommended the bank robbery script if this kind of few scripts come then you all will see the difference in playerbase
Managers have no control on scripters.
You've gotten rejected from the scripting team?A "f**k off" is still better than this, at least because I can tell you to f**k off back.
Let me be completely straight with you, if you came to ask me to script the server I'm leading and you have this attitude on forums I'd tell you to f**k off from my sight.
Increasing the drug market price for official groups, I think will improve the server's atmosphere, will inject more money to groups, and to freelancers. That is the only way. Because having a low price will kill us all. Slowly, but it will.The fact that "only official" groups should get increased income from drugs somewhat bothers me. Why is there any need to differentiate groups from one another more than there already is?
I'm gonna make an example of this by using DHR Marcel's recent unban request. If someone finds me an Argonath rule that you can not make fun of the server's script then I'll hand in my request to be permanently community banned. Don't get me wrong, I respect a lot of the HQ members, I'm just generalising.
If want to be here I would advise you to not put your nose where it does not belong. There is far more at play than a simple video that led to the ban.
all the admins can fuke off you are all liers:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
A-team, you don't need money because you do admin work. I would prefer being stricter, but at lesst we have them Thank you for the contribution, but I think it's not the topic about you, because you might not feel the need of money.
Now, Rusty mentioned a good point. Official familes need a lot of motivation and I know this because I'm in one. And, I'm not asking for money. I said this before this topic got mainstream, but I'll repat. We need ways, solutions, to inject money into the server, and by that I don't mean spawning them. How can we do this, but due to current scripters being away/busy, within current script capabilities ? Drugs.
They don't influence the Argonath Bank monetary value, so there's still place for paydays, etc. They are money spawned in the server, as if they come from another state. ( exporting drugs, as gandalf said. ) Recognized groups have no difference with Official groups, despite one less vehicle. ( rewarded by hq) Increasing the drug market price for official groups, I think will improve the server's atmosphere, will inject more money to groups, and to freelancers. That is the only way. Because having a low price will kill us all. Slowly, but it will.
I think the current system with recognized and official groups is fine. It shortens the process of obtaining support which was very lengthy or even near impossible in RS4 and before. In my opinion, a form of monetary support for business can be done, but it will require a very strict and transparent approval process, something which i think is very hard.
Minor boosts to the economy and drug market can solve this problem. Monitor the amount of cash in hands, banks and see how much moves around. If a majority of the money becomes idle, stop injecting into the economy and create means for it to be spent and used. This is where a group of people with knowledge of economy comes in handy. Get together once every two weeks, discuss the current situation with HQ and set goals for the next two weeks. This will install a stable economy where prices and activity are in balance and as such, a fertile soil for server growth in general will be set, creating reasons for new players to stick around and raise the server population in general.
I don't think that we need more scripters,I believe that current scripters can change the server, all we need to do is just little patch up in our server as I said that business profit script and few more for our criminal groups and as Gimli recommended the bank robbery script if this kind of few scripts come then you all will see the difference in playerbase
To make life simpler for both parties (HQ and the community), Gandalf should pay all the scripters $50 for their ''hard'' work making/developing RS5. This way the scripters cant chat shit about ''Oh we are very offended, we spend ages doing this for free''. After this has been done, we simply return to RS4 where Argonath was a happy place to be.
Hint hint, i'm not DHR.Mike ;) But yes, you formulated the problem very clearly. We can build upon the basic idea that i posted earlier. What should be extended and improved upon that?
the next steps will be to suggest methods of introducing cash into the economy that is evenly spread across different tiers of players
We need to spur short term growth and ensure that proper cash is reaching individuals who are capable of retaining and attracting talent both internally and externally - this is not favoritism, it is about realising and capitalising on our strengths.
We need to leverage on our strong points as a community and stop focusing on our weaknesses.Our strongest point as a community is that we have members willing to spend several hours a day working with broken scripts and unfinished features to make their fortune, these are the people you need not neglect, these are the people who deserve functioning scripts, and if there were ever to be funds or support given to anyone, it should be to these people, no one else.
How do you suggest we find these individuals and define talent? How will we incentivize such players? Until a basic idea for how that would work is at least brought up to be refined, the idea isn't much better than saying "money is broken, we should fix it."Cherry pick them on a case by case basis, instead of creating arbitrary regulations to being eligible for getting money. Much like picking moderators and such.
While focus should be on individuals within groups (since a group of people can achieve more than one person)Depends of the situation.
The moment you say it isn't worth to roleplay on a roleplay server, you're there for the wrong reasons.And while I would love for that to be a widespread truth around here, practice proves the opposite.
Not really. The active groups are in-game working their way up, not on the forum begging for random things.
Most Active Groups This Month
SAA 6774 minutes
CIA 2945 minutes
Kolta 2772 minutes
Sforza 2346 minutes
RockStar 1338 minutes
Perhaps we should first address the issue of censoring others on the forum first before we move our attention to the server.I 100% agree as someone put under permanent moderation, I was given a final chance in SA:MP Argonath, but not on the petty forums, it makes so much sense.
Wake me up when Kojak or Gandalf is back.You're going to be sleeping for a very long time then.
I give up.Bro you gotta realize, that you(we) are expecting something from people who are completely incapable for the things we expect to happen. Even for the basic things. Its not their fault, you can't blame someone for lack of knowledge, experience, any sense of creativity, organization, logical conclusions or thinking outside of the box, and taking responsibility.
There is no point continuing, especially since my posts are being deleted. Perhaps we should first address the issue of censoring others on the forum first before we move our attention to the server.
I'm through with this - good luck resolving the issue at hand.
Wake me up when Kojak or Gandalf is back.
You should already be happy that we are giving out HQ and free vehicles. Instead you just want more and more.Why not?
That's not the way it works.
Do we have to create a realistic economy in an unrealistic game?The economy is not realistic, a real economy has inflation.
Bro you gotta realize, that you(we) are expecting something from people who are completely incapable for the things we expect to happen. Even for the basic things. Its not their fault, you can't blame someone for lack of knowledge, experience, any sense of creativity, organization, logical conclusions or thinking outside of the box, and taking responsibility.
They are like bots, here to strictly follow what they were told long time ago, in a completely different server in a completely different situation, so tomorrow their ass wont be raped cause they did it somehow otherwise. And it doesn't matter that five year old kids see that everything went to hell, that those 'guides' and actions are way outdated and does not apply to the situation in the server anymore(on a contrary they are making completely counter-effects), that day by day those decisions are making the server more and more dead. They see and know that very well. They also know, just like you and me know, that if Gandalf is around, he would do a massive change in all of that, cause a dead server means nothing to no one and has no point, but until he comes back and announce it first, they're still bots running on outdated instruction.
There's also some complex issues and ego problems around here, some people are ready to sacrifice the server's existence cause of it, but thats a whole new story, which isn't the time nor place to talk about.
The economy is not realistic, a real economy has inflation.
There is no point continuing, especially since my posts are being deleted. Perhaps we should first address the issue of censoring others on the forum first before we move our attention to the server.
you(we) are expecting something from people who are completely incapable for the things we expect to happen
you can't blame someone for lack of knowledge, experience, any sense of creativity, organization, logical conclusions or thinking outside of the box, and taking responsibility
There's also some complex issues and ego problems around here,
I saw your Part II thread get merged into this thread but I don't remember (or see) anything being deleted outright. I will say, though, that HQ does seem to have a serious problem with any pessimistic or negative views about the server being dismissed as "shitting" and handling the situation by banning anyone that does so.
Sure sure, you and your colleagues prove me wrong.
As usual, still full of yourself.
You heard it here first, guys: RS4 had the most realistic SA:MP economy of all time. :rolleyes:Who said anything about RS4?
I've seen more productive discussions take place between preschoolers (2-4yrs). Nice work.lol who the fuck listens to little kids discussing something
lol who the f**k listens to little kids discussing something
Who said anything about RS4?Was a joke; inflation at the end of RS4's run was spectacularly high.
I was just pointing out that to simulate an economy correctly, there should be some amount of money creation over time.
This is regulated and money can only be printed by the government, unless maybe a criminal organisation gets there hands on a way to make counterfeit notes. That could be cool.There was a similar idea for VC:MP that was postponed because of its complexity. It would be pretty neat to have this implemented here though.