I have to disagree with some things said above. Criminals label cops as dmers, cops do same for criminals. There is a group of people within law enforcing groups that i always enjoy roleplaying with. That includes most of swat and several individuals within sapd. Yet same way there is a group of criminals that i know will always roleplay and be realistic. People are prejudice and assume the worst as soon as they are being approach. This applies to both sides.
i'd really like to know whats going onImagine this:
You rob a bank.
You were pictured from every angle, let's say they have your name, the FBI starts following you, taking pictures of you.
And instead of roleplaying back you stage it so that you ICly have died.
You gypped the cops out of roleplay.
Roleplay itself should be considered the 'win' by the players, not the outcome of it.the main problem is materialism.
This. Happens far too frequently and an end with it will be reached one way or another. If it be by choice for change or by force. We will create an environment where roleplay is available in every acceptable avenue. Those who think they're smarter than the system because they can bend it to their will are going to get fucked by that very system in a matter of time.
As Devin continues to reiterate... there is no "winning" here. You don't need to "win" every roleplay. You don't always need to have the high ground. So hop off the ego train and start making this a place fair for everyone or quite simply leave.
And to be totaly honest with you I still stand by the statement FBI can't roleplay.
I see several possible solutions for the issue discussed here. Since some people seem to be very fond of abusing the piece of crappy text called "Argonath Vision" to decide to suddenly switch character so no crime can be linked to them after the fact, perhaps it's time we introduce stricter rules on things such as death? A character kill thing? We're already heading to heavy roleplay direction anyways.Stopped reading right there. Guess why?
Stopped reading right there. Guess why?
I RP with two characters, one is a certified lawyer and one is part of the Gvardia Syndicate. How do you suggest I do something like this? I've never had to use the Argonath Vision for such things. I didn't even read that shit, tl;dr.
Also, I've taken a completely different skin, a different vehicle while being a suspect and iKhm tried to arrest me, yet I explained I wasn't the guy he was looking for ( dots were white at that time I think ) and he simply moved on. It really depends on who you're trying to RP with and how much effort they put into it. I know for a fact FBI wouldn't do this. And CK has always been a thing, have you seen 58th Conecta? It just needs to be agreed by both parties.
We're already heading to heavy roleplay direction anyways.
Not even close.Couldn't be more right. RP can be as "heavy" as you want to make it yourself, but Argonath will never be a heavy roleplay server as you call it. Just won't happen.
For example, Grandpa just the other day abused the system intentionally by saying it was a different character. So many of you also intentionally die just to avoid any follow up.
You cannot bad girl about a lack of roleplay when you contribute to the problem by actively seeking ways to discourage roleplay. I am not sure yet how to rephrase the rules to avoid abuse since some of you shits are obviously abusing them... but don't worry I will find a way and put a stop to it.
I have to disagree with some things said above. Criminals label cops as dmers, cops do same for criminals. There is a group of people within law enforcing groups that i always enjoy roleplaying with. That includes most of swat and several individuals within sapd. Yet same way there is a group of criminals that i know will always roleplay and be realistic. People are prejudice and assume the worst as soon as they are being approach. This applies to both sides.
Lets be honest here it goes both ways. There are law enforcement individuals who are fabulous role players who we criminals enjoy RPing with but there are those who can't handle a loss in RP so they do everything in thier power to win. SAPD on a whole actually role plays and you see it, I mean there are a few instances here and there where a few individuals screw up from time to time but that doesn't reflect on the whole group.
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I know some of you will come and say shit like "it's your job", well it's not my job to deal with bunch of egoistic individuals and deal with their daily dose of provocations just to do what I want to do. It's not my job to deal with those individuals that try all ways possible avoid any sort of interaction, try all ways to bend the rules, find ways by them and cheat however they know to avoid us. And if we by some chance and a bit of luck get our hands onto them, get more moans thrown at our face for doing our job successfully at the end.Should read next time before posting something that's already mentioned in original post.
Maybe people remember that and are affraid of something similar? No one wants to be fucked in the ass raw.Have to agree there, the thought of being sued out of everything by law enforcement just because of your RP character is a bit daunting, not that I have much to lose... :rolleyes:
Hey, next time you decide to report a Law Enforcement officer, he can just say "Oh that was my other character that's corrupt, now I'm on my second one.". Good luck proving who it was and trying to get him punished, especially if he roleplays removing nametag from his uniform, puts a mask on and doesn't use a name anywhere during the situation. But then again, none of you ever bother reporting anybody merely because you consider every Law Enforcement agency and its members incompetent, stupid and useless. Simply because we're not here to serve you (the criminals) and do as you please, we are immediately considered enemies. And then when time and chance comes, something that involves those Law Enforcement agencies, people shit at its members and say how they're abused all the time and nothing is done about it. Perhaps if some of you leaders of them "we been here forever" mafias shit ego out of your ass and become a proper leader of your group, role model for your members and quit the toxic attitude towards Law Enforcement agencies, we may have a better environment to play with without starting to grow grey hair at age of 30. The only reason it happens and specifically in Argonath is because the server is basically a TDM, criminals vs cops. The middle class is so small and stretched that it's not even noticeable. I know only a handful of people who are neither cops nor criminals. And then the mainstream Argonath groups, specifically their leaders, that think they own this community, think the server depends on them, use "we been here forever" to promote their groups, and be proud, create an unplayable environment for others in other groups, specifically Law Enforcement, just because their ego doesn't allow them to lose a situation, end up in jail, in court or end in any similar situation. That's the damn issue. And I'll tell you why it's unplayable for us in Law Enforcement, we have books of regulations, rules and things to watch while we play, in FBI, record every second of gameplay, worry that you do proper roleplay to enable the recording devices, worry that you mention certain things to avoid making 5 hours of work invalid because someone jumps off a cliff, do CSI roleplay when possible to build a case based upon it, spend hours writing up cases and uploading all the evidence, hours questioning victims, witnesses and all just to serve justice to few guilty individuals, who don't need any roleplay skill at all to do /me wears a mask, can jump off a cliff at any moment and set all your hours of work invalid, shoot at you and force you to kill them to as well set all your hours of work invalid, abuse the rules as this topic is here for to avoid any consequences for your actions in court, and by all means possible be a complete dick to us and make our job harder by continuously moaning about whatever we do, we can literally be parked at HQ and people will shit at us for not doing anything. It does f**cking piss you off after tolerating it for months and having to face it daily, and I know some of you will come and say shit like "it's your job", well it's not my job to deal with bunch of egoistic individuals and deal with their daily dose of provocations just to do what I want to do. It's not my job to deal with those individuals that try all ways possible avoid any sort of interaction, try all ways to bend the rules, find ways by them and cheat however they know to avoid us. And if we by some chance and a bit of luck get our hands onto them, get more moans thrown at our face for doing our job successfully at the end. That's what's the major issue is, constant verbal assault against us doing this job and impossibility to satisfy merely because our tasks differ. And people take it so personal, instead of playing it as a game, they turn every issue so personal and keep on dragging it along with themselves, bringing it up months after it happened and compare past and future generations based on outdated issues and events that have no relevance to how the situation is today. If you could for a second just appreciate our choice and will to do these jobs, all the things we have to keep in mind while doing it, all the roleplay and paperwork we have to do while all you bunch have to do is one line of /me to neglect our work completely, that'd be great.
All the things you listed are neglected by a simple thing - death.
I'd really love a role swap event to prove how hard it would be for all you tough gangsters and world rulers to try and get a court valid case on us.
regulations can be broken at any time and no one will give a flying fuck about it.
Okay so, firstly, criminals hate cops and vice versa, that's how it was, that's how it is and that's how it will be. Nature wanted it to be that way and so it will be.It doesn't have to be like that. If people didn't take things personally and hate members of vice versa groups because of their roleplay job, it wouldn't be like that. If someone does something to you in roleplay, you don't have to forever shit on that person in other situations out of that roleplay situation.
it might kill usSee, now I can be the typical Argonath badass and say "well it wouldn't have been a great loss if that happened."
If you do not like the constant provocations that the FBI has always gotten from the other side, don't be it.As I already told Sweeper, it's what I and others in these groups want to do. And we shouldn't have to do something else just because people cannot leave their personal agendas aside, and keep things within limits - what happens in roleplay stays there and what doesn't - /report if offended instead of dragging it forever and always being sarcastic to those involved into it.
There is absolutely NOTHING that can be done about it, you can't change it and nor can we.
It doesn't have to be like that. If people didn't take things personally and hate members of vice versa groups because of their roleplay job, it wouldn't be like that. If someone does something to you in roleplay, you don't have to forever shit on that person in other situations out of that roleplay situation.
If a cop wants to be corrupted, so be it, let him be so, investigate him RPly, if you catch him, kudos - you go and jail him.I specifically talked about you, civilians and criminals (not) reporting corrupt cops. You always moan how nothing is done about them, how you're always being abused and you're ignored, yet, barely anyone submits a proper report against them. And when chance comes, shitstorm against the Law Enforcing agencies.
If you are against us having free will in roleplay, than maybe you're not fit to be in FBI's leadership.I wouldn't give shit if people always stayed within roleplay limits and didn't take things that happen in them roleplay situations personally. As I said multiple times now, the issue is that people take things that happen in a roleplay situation personally, and then drag them along, constantly being sarcastic / provocative to ones involved into it.
That being said, NO ONE, and I mean absolutely NO ONE forces you to follow the regulations that are given to you. Server rules are server rules, regulations can be broken at any time and no one will give a flying fuck about it. Every Law Enforcement member that I've seen who's capable of actual hardcore roleplay has broken the regulations, because they're capable enough of making hard decisions and know what bollocks the regulations are."No one will give a flying fuck about it" - well then don't moan about being abused and don't say the Law Enforcing organizations are incompetent and useless if you don't care. Oh no wait, you do care only when you're the one being abused, but don't care when it's you or your buddy abusing.
Yea man, you completely right.
@.Matthew.
Lets start deploying hunters and hydras on every suspect we see. No one is going to give a flying fuck about it.
Yea man, you completely right.
@.Matthew.
Lets start deploying hunters and hydras on every suspect we see. No one is going to give a flying fuck about it.
To clear shit out, Matthew.. if we insult you during a roleplay, or engage in a fight, that is perfectly fine. However, no, taking it OOC and insulting the shit out of you is indeed wrong and hopefully it will be stopped.Exactly, people should accept whatever happens in roleplay situation and accept the outcome of it. If it doesn't go the way they wanted it to go, let it be and move on to new situation. There's no need to keep it in heart and drag it along forever.
Evidence is needed when reporting an officer and we never have any evidence, screenshots and "videos" are just bullshit and shouldn't be considered. We can report an officer via roleplay terms and its done several times a day, its up to IA to take care of it, not us.Also understandable, the amount of times I wish my computer supported shadowplay to record and report the ones that run into my lane just to ram me because I'm doing what I do (FBI) and not what that specific person wants me to do, server would be having 20 less people now.
You deploy whatever the hell you want fam, its your leadership that has a problem with it, not us.
Yea man, you completely right.
@.Matthew.
Lets start deploying hunters and hydras on every suspect we see. No one is going to give a flying fuck about it.
An example of how you talk out of your ass and have no idea about it. Roam the forums for a while there are dozens of topics moaning about hydras and hunters, even shamal deployments.
Oh well its not going to surprise me you guys already abuse with it.See what I'm saying? action of one and they blame the other 30.
So you're just mad because you're not allowed to use a hydra and a hunter whenever you want? :lol:He simply pointed out what you said that nobody gives a fuck if someone breaks regulations. It's obvious you do when it's you being abused, but don't when it's your friend the one abusing.
And, do you actually consider shamal as a way to go after someone in order to make sure his rhl doesn't lower? You are a joke and you're possibly the reason many are against FBI. Get more cops to go around, use choppers, use actual vehicles that cops in-reality might consider using.Wouldn't have to use a shamal if we had a proper drone script that works instead of pointlessly spamming the chat.
EDIT: This is how I see it, if we go in the air with a shamal or any kind of plane, we're in the air and we're a risk to the society, so you are allowed to deploy a hydra. If we are in the ocean, deploy a hydra to circle around and locate us, then send choppers/boats to that location... if still cannot be done, deploy a hunter.Exactly, but issue with people on boat is that most of times they decide to shoot at the hunter or hydra, and that's why they get destroyed. Shooting at the hunter or hydra = death wish.
Exactly, but issue with people on boat is that most of times they decide to shoot at the hunter or hydra, and that's why they get destroyed. Shooting at the hunter or hydra = death wish.You have predators which are equipped with dual M4s, and if we please could get rid of the silly rule and script that prevents us from shooting on top vehicles which are made for people to sit on/in(bobcat/yosemite/boats) it would do a lot more good.
Exactly, but issue with people on boat is that most of times they decide to shoot at the hunter or hydra, and that's why they get destroyed. Shooting at the hunter or hydra = death wish.
He simply pointed out what you said that nobody gives a fuck if someone breaks regulations. It's obvious you do when it's you being abused, but don't when it's your friend the one abusing.
Double standard. Let others be abused as long as I am not.
That M4 doesn't aim at anything but the other boat itself, which if none is driving it won't lose health due to SA-MP. Thus meaning that the predator itself would be fucked in matter of seconds if there are two suspects shooting at it with desert eagle or M4 / AK47.
You have predators which are equipped with dual M4sAnd how exactly are predators supposed to keep up with Squallos or Jetmaxs?
Do the exact same to them?Whatever happens, if you shoot at a hydra or hunter then you'll get done by its rockets.
And how exactly are predators supposed to keep up with Squallos or Jetmaxs?
Whatever happens, if you shoot at a hydra or hunter then you'll get done by its rockets.
If you shoot at the units on boat, then they'll return fire at you from that boat.
Speaking of the Hydra/hunter usage of the SAPD and FBI. I'd actually be in favor of removing the mentioned groups access to it and have them use a Sea Sparrow instead. Less lethal, however, still effective. A seperate military group, perhaps some sort of an air force should be made, that would be dedicated solely to those escaping in shamal. They could also be used to fight FLA :war:There have been enough military groups in Argonath that failed and brought nothing but issues and trouble.
There have been enough military groups in Argonath that failed and brought nothing but issues and trouble.
Not happening again, got that confirmed ;)
The server is based on Los Angeles, Las Vegas and San Francisco, we're not based on center of Afghanistan or Syria.
If there's militia group causing issues it's dealt with by SWAT and FBI, take a look at the situation that was happening in USA - Oregon.
Speaking of the Hydra/hunter usage of the SAPD and FBI. I'd actually be in favor of removing the mentioned groups access to it and have them use a Sea Sparrow instead. Less lethal, however, still effective. A seperate military group, perhaps some sort of an air force should be made, that would be dedicated solely to those escaping in shamal. They could also be used to fight FLA :war:
Exactly, having a military is waste of space and resources. We don't have countries invading us or terrorists driving tanks and flying migs around the air to need a military.
Having an intelligence agency and tactical team is sufficient to deal with what Argonath faces nowadays.
Besides, as Ramo mentioned, SAPD has a division that is specialized for air deployment. We let them handle Heavy Air whenever they're available. If they're unavailable and Heavy Air is needed then it's deployed by us. There's certain rules and regulations on how it's deployed, people think we just enter whenever we want and go on spree. It doesn't work like that.
Nobody gives a fuck to breaking regulations meaning minor ones such as being corrupt, helping in the drug business, helping criminal do illegal acts and whatnot.
Intelligence Agencies such as CIA are needed within ArgonathIf Argonath had 200 players, sure it'd be nice to spread the work load.
but definitely not by the same leadership because it has clearly failed.How CIA was established recently wasn't a way to go, originally made to share intelligence and work with FBI and SAPD, it ended up being isolated and recording us, members of FBI and SAPD instead of those who should've been recorded. People abusing the rights they were given and misrepresenting the Law Enforcement in general by doing so, thus why it had to be ended. If it had right people leading it, it would've survived.
Combined, we have everything that happens in Argonath covered. And I'm proud that SAPD and FBI work a lot more closer together since last year than they were in RS4 where it was constant witch hunt on each other.
We don't have countries invading usFlint Country invades Argonath on a daily basis. :rolleyes:
we got SWAT for that which is possibly the main reason why armies have failed, due to they are not needed.Argonath Armed Forces didn't fail! :mad:
Flint Country invades Argonath on a daily basis. :rolleyes:Fun fact: You're standing at my house in a kidnap I organized with other [i]s.
Argonath Armed Forces didn't fail! :mad:(http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u516/N_Pskov/sa-mp-517.png)
Fun fact: You're standing at my house in a kidnap I organized with other [i]s.Didn't it end with everyone inside being banned/tempbanned? :lol:
Mods overload right there.
Didn't it end with everyone inside being banned/tempbanned? :lol:Yeah I believe so, it begun with me being tempbanned for returning after death. :D
Last time I RPed with the FBI I enjoyed it for weeks up to the point where I got sued with the demands of removing all my money and all my properties (aka account reset lel), luckily Shaun was the judge at the time and he was sensitive enough to completely ignore that stupid court case.
Maybe people remember that and are affraid of something similar? No one wants to be fucked in the ass raw.
SCREW THIS RULE I HAVE A WINNING COMPLEX!
Quite simply if you elect a character kill for immunity from rp routes, you must contact staff to reset your account back to default. When you die, you loose everything. All items, all properties, all vehicles, all money, ALL assets. Your character is truly killed off.
I know many of you will reject this because of your f**cking pathetic "winning" complex. However if you can propose a better solution to close the gap of abuse on the rules I suggest you do so now.New name, can't roleplay with same group or the same path.
New name, can't roleplay with same group or the same path.
The mentality of several players here is not capable enough to handle such rules without wanting to take advantage of it.Hopefully there will be managers that will decide if it's a valid RP argument for CK, although it is a bit of an overkill I don't think it should be used for every minor thing, but totally if you are clearly evading roleplay.
New name, can't roleplay with same group or the same path.
If the "winning" complex doesn't jumps to the stage what will happen instead is that we will have all mafias going against other mafias with their "rp" attempts to character kill them all until there's nothing left.
The mentality of several players here is not capable enough to handle such rules without wanting to take advantage of it.
Maybe there should be more emergency related rp, so when you are badly wounded you cant shoot anymore, same as tazer animation, but you can get revived at hospital if rescued on time.
It should be like you fall down when your hp goes below 30 percent or something without any futher complicayions with bodyparts damage system. If you get shoot on the ground you still die.
Also adding some revive time if you die for good would be nice to prevent returning after death for both sides. So you will actually start to care if you die or not.
This is the exact kind of thinking that forced us to discuss all of it in the first place.
No fuck that, if I lost a war, I lost, simple. I ain't spending a lifetime waiting for a medic to come and save me, I died, screw it.
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I don't get how you people managed to start this conversation, why not leave it as it is?
This is the exact kind of thinking that forced us to discuss all of it in the first place.
We have a proposed solution to this that I like, note this is proposed and not official:
Quite simply if you elect a character kill for immunity from rp routes, you must contact staff to reset your account back to default. When you die, you loose everything. All items, all properties, all vehicles, all money, ALL assets. Your character is truly killed off.
I know many of you will reject this because of your f**cking pathetic "winning" complex. However if you can propose a better solution to close the gap of abuse on the rules I suggest you do so now.
There have been enough military groups in Argonath that failed and brought nothing but issues and trouble.
Not happening again, got that confirmed ;)
This is the exact kind of thinking that forced us to discuss all of it in the first place.I guess you want people to RP with medics, but this is going the wrong way with it, you can't force someone to do it or everyone will hate it, although the last time I had a good roleplay with an EMS was in 2012, I still think people who take their time roleplaying that are praise worthy, I just don't want to be forced to be wheeled into a stretcher every time I flip my sweeper like a dumbass. And besides, there are never enough medics online, the script is very basic, I would love for Teddy or someone to extend on it, in a way that EMS actually has to finish a test like IRL ER training and they get a medicine licence, and there could be different ranks of medics, for example field medics that show up as normal players but can whip out their badge sort of like the FBI..
Hell no.Well unless we come up with a better idea we will be stuck with it, so think, think like you have never thought before!
Well unless we come up with a better idea we will be stuck with it, so think, think like you have never thought before!
You do know cops have means of capturing criminals without killing them, even more easier now with the addition of Tasers. Also its easier for cops to track people and run plates and do other RP shit to link players to the scene I don't know why are we discussing this.
Why don't you punish those people according to the rules instead of calling them "shits"?
We haven't been here playing for years just so one day, lose everything.
we don't need another rs5 crying apocalypse.
Better stay like it is, just like it was for 8years.
if you elect a character kill for immunity from rp routes
We haven't been here playing for years just so one day, lose everything.
we don't need another rs5 crying apocalypse.
Better stay like it is, just like it was for 8years.
Yet you still abused the system even after this. That is why we're discussing this.
This will only happen if you:
Not if you just get into a shootout and get killed by the other mafia
Better stay like it is, just like it was for 8years.Well it can't stay like this because of
Yet you still abused the system even after this.
You will never be forced into CK, you as the player must decide to CK. After which only then are you immune from rp consequences of your previous life. We will of course publish a obituary of those who are CK'd.
Well it can't stay like this because of
The idea isn't half bad though, because you only get screwed if you bend the rules in your favor, which is simple not to do. So it's not a Character kill per se, it's a form of punishment for ignoring RP.
Elaborate.
If that's so, i don't think it will make a big difference since nobody would like to be CK-ed and lose everything they got.
Then they will unable to use the "sorry, I died" in court to avoid the repercussions. It's a choice they must make.Makes Sence.
Makes Sence.DAMN IT! I drew this up for you because you didn't get it: http://i.imgur.com/BQ1A4FF.png
Then let's do this! :D
What kind of logic is that, that's like "you can't bend the law in your favour, its not allowed". What?But a dead person can't bend the law. No wait, let's start at the beginning.
Ideas?Let every player have 2 accounts, like admins. :rolleyes:
Let every player have 2 accounts, like admins. :rolleyes:
Yet you still abused the system even after this. That is why we're discussing this.
now about this bullshit rigged "multi-character" system... for this I don't have any solution other than removing it. It's been a source of problems for years. Ideas?
Didn't Grandpa get killed by the same FBI that wanted to prosecute him?
Only allowed if you changed your SAMP nickname. So if you literally changed your name.
It's simply not possible in Argonath to allow people to have two characters. They'll abuse it and use information from one character to gain power in another.
DAMN IT! I drew this up for you because you didn't get it: http://i.imgur.com/BQ1A4FF.png:lol:
Let every player have 2 accounts, like admins. :rolleyes:
It's fun to read this whole post knowing two days ago while roleplaying with an FBI agent he decided to take a cyanide pill in order to eventually die and bail out of the scenario we brought down to him... He'll probably get back to work on us after he had RPly died... I took the time myself to ask him if he would have CKed there, which he denied. How would that work? Porque explain it to me.
One risk with this is that quite a big chunk of playercount will be gone :rolleyes:
Right. Sorry if this is too stupid.
Imagine I am a criminal who's facing charges. I willingly in full role play capacity, kill myself. The next character i want to role play is a rich, educated person. I can't do that. Why? Because my account was wiped clean. This here kind of hinders certain role play scenarios. I can't go back to the same group with a different approach because hey, I got CKED.
Discuss :)
Removal of so called RULE which says "dead people can not get sued in court" would be useful too I guess; If you're dead, then you don't need your money and properties anymore.
Simply choose to get sued in court and at max lose 1/10 of your virtual money if you couldn't defend yourself, or accept your death.
Having two separated accounts would be useful too, but I doubt if HQ's going to trust everyone and let them do so. If you let trusted/veteran members to have 2 accounts it would be fun too.
I'm pretty sure its not going to work here though; people will find a way to screw it.
If you want to roleplay rich, do something in your next character to make you rich. I roleplay rich because I earned my wealth... despite popular belief. That's how life works, if you want to be rich... you earn it. It's no different here.I understand that. However, what if my character was already rich? Not that I care much about my virtual money but I'd like to be able to switch between characters(after getting CKED) and still have my assets to aid me in my next scenario.
I understand that. However, what if my character was already rich? Not that I care much about my virtual money but I'd like to be able to switch between characters(after getting CKED) and still have my assets to aid me in my next scenario.
he just gets wasted and taken to the hospital where a team of advanced, probably futuristic or alien, medical team can cure everything including being exploded into a million bits...Magic is one hell of a drug.
When did the case you keep mentioning happen? 2012? did I just not write a whole essay few pages behind and say how people have to stop taking things and situations that happen personally and stop dragging them along for years to come and have to stop considering old and new generations the same?
You need to drop the attitude that you need to win all the time in every situation, the attitude that you always must have a way to escape being caught. There are many who do it nowadays without being caught, without any script changes, advantages and so on. What's your problem in doing it? Just cannot accept to lose for once and end up in court?
We have a proposed solution to this that I like, note this is proposed and not official:
Quite simply if you elect a character kill for immunity from rp routes, you must contact staff to reset your account back to default. When you die, you loose everything. All items, all properties, all vehicles, all money, ALL assets. Your character is truly killed off.
I know many of you will reject this because of your f**cking pathetic "winning" complex. However if you can propose a better solution to close the gap of abuse on the rules I suggest you do so now.
now about this bullshit rigged "multi-character" system... for this I don't have any solution other than removing it. It's been a source of problems for years. Ideas?
Go dig it if you want, and you clearly didn't understand jack shit of what I said otherwise you wouldn't be bad girling about the "winning complex" still, study that, grab a dictionary and then face palm at your own blind rage.
It would feel super weird dying in a gunfight with the police and then continuing as if death didn't occurr, however I cannot find any better idea at the moment.
Maybe a poll with full details in it can do the trick right now?
If your character was already rich, and he's CK'd.... then he's dead. Do you understand the concept of death?You read my reply wrong. I meant, what if the character I role play after my previous CK is rich? If I use my imagination, and since argonath is a world of its own, I am fully capable of doing such thing.
You read my reply wrong. I meant, what if the character I role play after my previous CK is rich? If I use my imagination, and since argonath is a world of its own, I am fully capable of doing such thing.THIS! The character I role play after my previous CK is superman, can I use flyhack sir? since argonath is a world of its own, I am fully capable of doing such thing.
I can't take anymore BS here, I'll give my fair share of what I've seen in my 5 years of SAMP.
Many srs rp servers allow players to earn hundreds of thousands, yet many choose to retain their specific rp career, in other words they keep most of the money in their bank(think of a separate bank account) and roleplay being a broke ass black who steals TVs like Bruce.
If they ever choose to get CK'd by their angry hood members, they usually change name(or get admin jailed for a millennium *cough* LS-shit *cough* until they donate for a new name or make a new account). If they choose to roleplay something new, say a business man, they withdraw whatever money they want as if nothing happened.
We don't have to limit our roleplay based on scripted assets, if I want to own an ammunation but roleplay a guy who supports anti gun movements(couldn't think of anything less hypocritical). Or even as I said before, someone who has millions in his bank account but chooses to RP an e-thug, who are you to judge my way of RP?
Bottom line is, RP isn't defined by what assets you own, it's defined by what you choose to act as. Owning assets such as a rusty old car for your broke ass homie contributes to his personality, but doesn't mean you can't have a mansion that you wish to keep but never use for this character.
Do I keep a great system and let it be repeatedly abused and as a result seclude a group of players from achieving quality roleplay, or do I ditch a great system in order to prevent repeated abuse at the cost of an extensive amount of possibility, but at least secluded evenly across all players.Got a point.
To solve death issue:I'd rather have players into forced "death mode" where they can be saved by medics, finally giving them an actual job other than /s heal????
- You only actually die when you accept a character kill. If you don't, then you are merely heavily injured and taken to a hospital. Heavy weapons are stripped off, you may keep a handgun and non-lethal weaponry , and will spawn at a hospital once healed. This can also remove the cops returning after death rule, since it should take a minute or two after dying (being in a hospital interior and laying on a bed). Once out of hospital, you are the same person you were before being there, just healed from the injuries.
THIS! The character I role play after my previous CK is superman, can I use flyhack sir? since argonath is a world of its own, I am fully capable of doing such thing.Reason why I don't reply to such topics. Can we for once stop ping these kinds of things? Being superman and role playing a rich civilian are two different things.
I'd rather have players into forced "death mode" where they can be saved by medics, finally giving them an actual job other than /s heal????Yeah, good idea. Medics and the rest of medical team can attend when the shootout or whatever it was finished and try to revive the guy at the scene or even take him to the nearest hospital if its necessary.
Pathetic people who escape RP consequences by committing suicide(Would you really do that in real life? If yes please end yourself) should be punished accordingly.
Yeah, good idea. Medics and the rest of medical team can attend when the shootout or whatever it was finished and try to revive the guy at the scene or even take him to the nearest hospital if its necessary.
Also, a ban without an opportunity to return for people who evade role play in such manner would be suitable.
Reason why I don't reply to such topics. Can we for once stop ping these kinds of things? Being superman and role playing a rich civilian are two different things.
This,
But if the guy decided to suicide /ck the body won't be there for the medics to save him.
And if no medics?You have to pay more $$ for that.
I guess simply automatically transfer to hospital and stuff?
To solve multi character issue:
- Allow only one character per player, make people use proper roleplay names and they are what their name is. If one is named James McKing, then he is James McKing. He can lie when speaking to officers about his name, but they can retreive his real name by running a check via MDC on ownership of his vehicle by the vehicle plate or by an unique ID that is generated on each player's passport. But in court, you can't pull an excuse that you were being another person or something. That should be a goner.
To solve death issue:
- You only actually die when you accept a character kill. If you don't, then you are merely heavily injured and taken to a hospital. Heavy weapons are stripped off, you may keep a handgun and non-lethal weaponry , and will spawn at a hospital once healed. This can also remove the cops returning after death rule, since it should take a minute or two after dying (being in a hospital interior and laying on a bed). Once out of hospital, you are the same person you were before being there, just healed from the injuries.
This is just a brief idea / suggestion.
This is your life, if I decide to RP as superman character I would use a flyhack and get banned after a few minutes.I don't think I have to go around telling people how my character earned money. I don't care about my virtual asset but since I worked for it both in and out of role play, I'd like to protect it.
If you decide to RP as a rich guy you have to moneycheat and get banned after a few minutes.
Get the point please, if you wanna RP as a rich guy you are supposed to MAKE that guy rich.
That's his choice, indeed.
You have to pay more $$ for that.
And as a criminal you can return to the same roleplay as well as you never died, right?
Let's get this solved without all kind of additional scripting work please.
No shit... what? :|
You already found a way to screw it mate....
You shouldn't be able to return to the same situation. Unless the reviving process takes more than 30 minutes or something like that.
No shit... what? :|
You already found a way to screw it mate....
You shouldn't be able to return to the same situation. Unless the reviving process takes more than 30 minutes or something like that.
If I use my imagination, and since argonath is a world of its own, I am fully capable of doing such thing.
That is exactly the kind of cancerous "I can RP whatever the f. I want" mentality that Argonath is trying to shake off after RS5.I do not mean going ape shit and turning super human. I am taking about a logical and realistic role play character. And since many of you don't get my point, I'll just leave this discussion.
I love some of the people leaving smart remarks, some of them are the same people this topic is about. Don't like the topic? Why don't you stop being the same cunts abusing the system. Just some food for thought.
I love some of the people leaving smart remarks, some of them are the same people this topic is about. Don't like the topic? Why don't you stop being the same cunts abusing the system. Just some food for thought.
Names?
Let's not mention that half of the people suggesting are, well .. a bit inactive ingame :P
Well since am an old bastard who'se going to die anytime soon, I'm writing my will and leaving all my assets to someone else in my family, if the courts recognize deaths then they will have to recognize my last will and testament.
Your Dealers number? I'd like some of what you're on.you're just mad that u didnt come up with the idea.
*A Suggestion: We need some corrupted cops to enhance the RP.
*A Suggestion: We need some corrupted cops to enhance the RP.Last time Rusty and Alen tried that, they got busted via metagaming and then copbanned. What about removing /groups? Last time, FLA was not allowed into the SAPD Ceremony in January and the only way they found out who was FLA was through /groups. I've no idea why that command even got implemented.
Don't matter who is in question, if someone commits acts of corruption in front of command members or FBI, they're going down the drain. You simply cannot expect us to watch and let it be.
On the other hand, if you do it without any of those nearby, then you may only be caught if the victim reports you with evidence.
Don't matter who is in question, if someone commits acts of corruption in front of command members or FBI, they're going down the drain. You simply cannot expect us to watch and let it be.
On the other hand, if you do it without any of those nearby, then you may only be caught if the victim reports you with evidence.
Last time Rusty and Alen tried that, they got busted via metagaming and then copbanned. What about removing /groups? Last time, FLA was not allowed into the SAPD Ceremony in January and the only way they found out who was FLA was through /groups. I've no idea why that command even got implemented.
via metagaming and then copbanned
via metagaming and then copbanned
*A Suggestion: We need some corrupted cops to enhance the RP.
Tell that to the nobs who constantly copban me for it, without any roleplay or investigation whatsoeverDitto
Tell that to the nobs who constantly copban me for it, without any roleplay or investigation whatsoever
Lets be honest Law Enforcement don't Role Play properly when it comes to curroption and cop bans.
I've seen multiple scenarios in which numerous players are cop banned for totally Non-RP reasons or done with no role play what so ever. You could have worn a mask gloves avoided all imaginary cameras as long as they know the blip above your head you're screwed. If you associate with criminals as a cop outside of role play then you're also screwed. I've seen players and even admins fired or leave SAPD out of frustrations because of persecution because of who they hang out with on Teamspeak, or cause They RP a criminal on their non admin account.
Law Enforcement on the whole don't take the time to properly find out information about players or criminals through Role Play yet criminals are the ones persecuted for poor role play or abusing the system.
I'll have to disagree with on this (with you and the guy above). SAPD recruits who act "corrupt" without any repercussions whatsoever are literally the worst thing about the server right now. If you're a criminal if it's all fine and dandy since you can get suspected, evade and even kill them without much worries. If you're roleplaying a civilian it's literally the worst kind of thing you can experience since if you ask for an investigation or question him, the guy will tie you to his cruiser and shoot you out in the woods, really amazing roleplay from his side as well (I know, not everyone does this, but the fact that it's possible is stupid). This is has happened to me twice now and most of the freecop corrupt zero repercussions go on duty in a week without anyone remembering bullshit is the reason I actually changed my name and switched to a criminal character temporarily. It's bad enough the established police department can do questionable stuff to pad up their activity reports, it's worse if some asshole who isn't going to be affected by this at all in a roleplay manner goes around being "corrupt". If freecops get copbanned for this stuff it's completely justified. Mikal turning the whole "camera" thing into a meme was funny when it happened, but it was justified even then since it's stupid having weekend officers who don't even roleplay a specific character going around shooting people without reason. The SAPD/FBI/CIA people will be removed from their roles and their characters and future chances to join will be harmed, you'll just go back on duty in a week and pull the same shit again.
> b-but muh roleplay??
It's just another loophole like the criminal "was playing another character" stuff that needs to be closed.
(This isn't really meant to be targeted at you specifically, mostly at freecops at large)
I truly f**cking hate the community we are right now. It disgusts me. People more concerned with money, assets, and fictional power than they are about quality enjoyment equally for everyone.. I feel that i should leave and let these folks enjoy their gaming and winning, because obviously we ain't going to change and no matter how much and how hard i try to make things better coming from law enfrocement side, there's always a rooster who pulls his head out bad girling about something. I'm amazed why is this topic even going with all this hate around here..
Lets be honest Law Enforcement don't Role Play properly when it comes to curroption and cop bans.
I've seen multiple scenarios in which numerous players are cop banned for totally Non-RP reasons or done with no role play what so ever. You could have worn a mask gloves avoided all imaginary cameras as long as they know the blip above your head you're screwed. If you associate with criminals as a cop outside of role play then you're also screwed. I've seen players and even admins fired or leave SAPD out of frustrations because of persecution because of who they hang out with on Teamspeak, or cause They RP a criminal on their non admin account.
Law Enforcement on the whole don't take the time to properly find out information about players or criminals through Role Play yet criminals are the ones persecuted for poor role play or abusing the system.
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You can't say dog shit your RP was 2 shouts. While every day I see proper cops RPing but people like you all they do is complain due to some new players. Like for F*** sake when I was new everyone cut me slack. Now when you RP with veteran cops *MOSTLY* you get high quality RPs. For example:
Arslan
Drix
Matthew
Kevin
Bruce
These are just 5 examples. Stop being such a f**cking pessimist and realise people learn if you help them, with your attitdue how are they supposed to learn? Teach them in PM what they should do how next time. Trust me this way we will eventually get the RP up. Whining like that just makes you look stupid.
You don't fuckin know shit about what goes on out side of Ganton.I agree with you here.
I agree with you here.
mindless rambling
Roleplaying as a corrupt cop should be allowed IMO as it could and would promote some good RP from both sides. Of course the corrupt cop should remember to live by the standard rules of Argonath but when it comes to RPing I see no reason why a cop should not be allowed to be corrupt. It would be up to F.B.I or Internal Affairs to take justice into their hands and then THERE he could get cop banned. This could all be done via roleplay. This cop would need to be faced serious charges and put infront a criminal judge. I don't see any reason why an admin should interfere if both parts abide by the ground rules set by Administration.We never stopped corrupt roleplay, i could not care less seriously.. done it myself but people need to do it properly. Some use SAPD advantages to abuse other people and ruin their gaming on purpose by trolling around. That's what i hate.. and that's what i need to stop.
We never stopped corrupt roleplay, i could not care less seriously.. done it myself but people need to do it properly. Some use SAPD advantages to abuse other people and ruin their gaming on purpose by trolling around. That's what i hate.. and that's what i need to stop.Well, trolling and abusing is something that often leads into punishment. I strongly doubt that this goes unpunished and things can always be dealt with reasonable depending on the situation. I strongly believe that if someone keeps trolling & abusing his SFPD rights he should not be able to go on duty anymore.
You can't say dog shit your RP was 2 shouts. While every day I see proper cops RPing but people like you all they do is complain due to some new players. Like for F*** sake when I was new everyone cut me slack. Now when you RP with veteran cops *MOSTLY* you get high quality RPs. For example:
Arslan
Drix
Matthew
Kevin
Bruce
These are just 5 examples. Stop being such a f**cking pessimist and realise people learn if you help them, with your attitdue how are they supposed to learn? Teach them in PM what they should do how next time. Trust me this way we will eventually get the RP up. Whining like that just makes you look stupid.
Don't worry he just mad because he got sued and now suddenly no cop knows how to role play. He also forgets to mention it was his attempt in trolling cops at fbi hq but he got fucked with a warrant instead making our life a lot easier. :rolleyes:
The court case has nothing to do with my opinions as I've made my points clear long before this case or anything of the sort. Even if this case goes on it will just be yet another loss on the books of the FBI's prosecution record.
another loss on the books of the FBI's prosecution record.:lol: