Criminals: stop and think about this

[Ramo_Hawk]

Hey, next time you decide to report a Law Enforcement officer, he can just say "Oh that was my other character that's corrupt, now I'm on my second one.". Good luck proving who it was and trying to get him punished, especially if he roleplays removing nametag from his uniform, puts a mask on and doesn't use a name anywhere during the situation. But then again, none of you ever bother reporting anybody merely because you consider every Law Enforcement agency and its members incompetent, stupid and useless. Simply because we're not here to serve you (the criminals) and do as you please, we are immediately considered enemies. And then when time and chance comes, something that involves those Law Enforcement agencies, people shit at its members and say how they're abused all the time and nothing is done about it. Perhaps if some of you leaders of them "we been here forever" mafias shit ego out of your ass and become a proper leader of your group, role model for your members and quit the toxic attitude towards Law Enforcement agencies, we may have a better environment to play with without starting to grow grey hair at age of 30. The only reason it happens and specifically in Argonath is because the server is basically a TDM, criminals vs cops. The middle class is so small and stretched that it's not even noticeable. I know only a handful of people who are neither cops nor criminals. And then the mainstream Argonath groups, specifically their leaders, that think they own this community, think the server depends on them, use "we been here forever" to promote their groups, and be proud, create an unplayable environment for others in other groups, specifically Law Enforcement, just because their ego doesn't allow them to lose a situation, end up in jail, in court or end in any similar situation. That's the damn issue. And I'll tell you why it's unplayable for us in Law Enforcement, we have books of regulations, rules and things to watch while we play, in FBI, record every second of gameplay, worry that you do proper roleplay to enable the recording devices, worry that you mention certain things to avoid making 5 hours of work invalid because someone jumps off a cliff, do CSI roleplay when possible to build a case based upon it, spend hours writing up cases and uploading all the evidence, hours questioning victims, witnesses and all just to serve justice to few guilty individuals, who don't need any roleplay skill at all to do /me wears a mask, can jump off a cliff at any moment and set all your hours of work invalid, shoot at you and force you to kill them to as well set all your hours of work invalid, abuse the rules as this topic is here for to avoid any consequences for your actions in court, and by all means possible be a complete dick to us and make our job harder by continuously moaning about whatever we do, we can literally be parked at HQ and people will shit at us for not doing anything. It does f**cking piss you off after tolerating it for months and having to face it daily, and I know some of you will come and say shit like "it's your job", well it's not my job to deal with bunch of egoistic individuals and deal with their daily dose of provocations just to do what I want to do. It's not my job to deal with those individuals that try all ways possible avoid any sort of interaction, try all ways to bend the rules, find ways by them and cheat however they know to avoid us. And if we by some chance and a bit of luck get our hands onto them, get more moans thrown at our face for doing our job successfully at the end. That's what's the major issue is, constant verbal assault against us doing this job and impossibility to satisfy merely because our tasks differ. And people take it so personal, instead of playing it as a game, they turn every issue so personal and keep on dragging it along with themselves, bringing it up months after it happened and compare past and future generations based on outdated issues and events that have no relevance to how the situation is today. If you could for a second just appreciate our choice and will to do these jobs, all the things we have to keep in mind while doing it, all the roleplay and paperwork we have to do while all you bunch have to do is one line of /me to neglect our work completely, that'd be great.

Okay so, firstly, criminals hate cops and vice versa, that's how it was, that's how it is and that's how it will be. Nature wanted it to be that way and so it will be. Second of all, tell us where it really hurts. Thirdly, putting some bloody paragraphs in between won't kill you, although it might kill us because you've almost put us in a mental institution.

If you do not like the constant provocations that the FBI has always gotten from the other side, don't be it. There is absolutely NOTHING that can be done about it, you can't change it and nor can we. If a cop wants to be corrupted, so be it, let him be so, investigate him RPly, if you catch him, kudos - you go and jail him.

And FYI, I know who's in the middle class and who's not, I've been in the middle class and just due to my reputation, you people forced me out of the class into the criminal one. And yes, we know how hard it is for you about the paperwork and whatnot, we respect you for it but its the roleplay that you bring to us, at times we have to decline it. We don't always have to put up with what Law tell us and we fight it, we protect ourselves and our people, we help each other and we remain united in order to not let you take us into your custody.

If you are against us having free will in roleplay, than maybe you're not fit to be in FBI's leadership. That being said, NO ONE, and I mean absolutely NO ONE forces you to follow the regulations that are given to you. Server rules are server rules, regulations can be broken at any time and no one will give a flying fuck about it. Every Law Enforcement member that I've seen who's capable of actual hardcore roleplay has broken the regulations, because they're capable enough of making hard decisions and know what bollocks the regulations are.

I'm not sure if I missed anything due to hard reading your one stack paragraph, but if encounter something else I'll make sure to write it down.

All the things you listed are neglected by a simple thing - death.
I'd really love a role swap event to prove how hard it would be for all you tough gangsters and world rulers to try and get a court valid case on us.

Most of us have been on your side, including Grandpa and I. It's just that those who recruited us to corruption made us not take any important players. It isn't that hard to gather evidence about someone, no. You just need to know how to do it properly and without being caught. Maybe you're not gathering anything is because you don't know your own men that you've hired.

[Spike.]

regulations can be broken at any time and no one will give a flying fuck about it.

Yea man, you completely right.

@.Matthew.

Lets start deploying hunters and hydras on every suspect we see. No one is going to give a flying fuck about it.

[.Matthew.]

Okay so, firstly, criminals hate cops and vice versa, that's how it was, that's how it is and that's how it will be. Nature wanted it to be that way and so it will be.

It doesn't have to be like that. If people didn't take things personally and hate members of vice versa groups because of their roleplay job, it wouldn't be like that. If someone does something to you in roleplay, you don't have to forever shit on that person in other situations out of that roleplay situation.

it might kill us

See, now I can be the typical Argonath badass and say "well it wouldn't have been a great loss if that happened."

If you do not like the constant provocations that the FBI has always gotten from the other side, don't be it.

As I already told Sweeper, it's what I and others in these groups want to do. And we shouldn't have to do something else just because people cannot leave their personal agendas aside, and keep things within limits - what happens in roleplay stays there and what doesn't - /report if offended instead of dragging it forever and always being sarcastic to those involved into it.

There is absolutely NOTHING that can be done about it, you can't change it and nor can we.

It doesn't have to be like that. If people didn't take things personally and hate members of vice versa groups because of their roleplay job, it wouldn't be like that. If someone does something to you in roleplay, you don't have to forever shit on that person in other situations out of that roleplay situation.

If a cop wants to be corrupted, so be it, let him be so, investigate him RPly, if you catch him, kudos - you go and jail him.

I specifically talked about you, civilians and criminals (not) reporting corrupt cops. You always moan how nothing is done about them, how you're always being abused and you're ignored, yet, barely anyone submits a proper report against them. And when chance comes, shitstorm against the Law Enforcing agencies.

If you are against us having free will in roleplay, than maybe you're not fit to be in FBI's leadership.

I wouldn't give shit if people always stayed within roleplay limits and didn't take things that happen in them roleplay situations personally. As I said multiple times now, the issue is that people take things that happen in a roleplay situation personally, and then drag them along, constantly being sarcastic / provocative to ones involved into it.

That being said, NO ONE, and I mean absolutely NO ONE forces you to follow the regulations that are given to you. Server rules are server rules, regulations can be broken at any time and no one will give a flying fuck about it. Every Law Enforcement member that I've seen who's capable of actual hardcore roleplay has broken the regulations, because they're capable enough of making hard decisions and know what bollocks the regulations are.

"No one will give a flying fuck about it" - well then don't moan about being abused and don't say the Law Enforcing organizations are incompetent and useless if you don't care. Oh no wait, you do care only when you're the one being abused, but don't care when it's you or your buddy abusing.

Yea man, you completely right.

@.Matthew.

Lets start deploying hunters and hydras on every suspect we see. No one is going to give a flying fuck about it.

Nope, they will throw a shitstorm at us then for doing that. Since we're not corrupt and we're not criminals, we're not allowed to do those things without being shit at.
On the other hand, if you're in a criminal family and you're corrupt then, then it's fine as you basically work for them. Simply need a _family tag in your name in order to pull such a stunt and not be shit at.

[Ramo_Hawk]

Yea man, you completely right.

@.Matthew.

Lets start deploying hunters and hydras on every suspect we see. No one is going to give a flying fuck about it.

You deploy whatever the hell you want fam, its your leadership that has a problem with it, not us.


To clear shit out, Matthew.. if we insult you during a roleplay, or engage in a fight, that is perfectly fine. However, no, taking it OOC and insulting the shit out of you is indeed wrong and hopefully it will be stopped. Second of all, I don't report corrupted officers is because I'm usually the one corrupting them, I ain't gonna report my own men. I have no problem with people being corrupt aslong as they do it in roleplay terms and try their very best not to get caught, be cautious. If you want to bend the rules a little, go ahead man, no one is stopping you, just don't get caught aye. HOWEVER, if you go around just damaging people's cars and assaulting everyone, and /su them when they fight back, that is what we possibly, not sure, but that's what we will probably dislike. Evidence is needed when reporting an officer and we never have any evidence, screenshots and "videos" are just bullshit and shouldn't be considered. We can report an officer via roleplay terms and its done several times a day, its up to IA to take care of it, not us.

[.Matthew.]

To clear shit out, Matthew.. if we insult you during a roleplay, or engage in a fight, that is perfectly fine. However, no, taking it OOC and insulting the shit out of you is indeed wrong and hopefully it will be stopped.

Exactly, people should accept whatever happens in roleplay situation and accept the outcome of it. If it doesn't go the way they wanted it to go, let it be and move on to new situation. There's no need to keep it in heart and drag it along forever.

Evidence is needed when reporting an officer and we never have any evidence, screenshots and "videos" are just bullshit and shouldn't be considered. We can report an officer via roleplay terms and its done several times a day, its up to IA to take care of it, not us.

Also understandable, the amount of times I wish my computer supported shadowplay to record and report the ones that run into my lane just to ram me because I'm doing what I do (FBI) and not what that specific person wants me to do, server would be having 20 less people now.

[Spike.]

You deploy whatever the hell you want fam, its your leadership that has a problem with it, not us.

An example of how you talk out of your ass and have no idea about it. Roam the forums for a while there are dozens of topics moaning about hydras and hunters, even shamal deployments.

[Gnb_22]

Yea man, you completely right.

@.Matthew.

Lets start deploying hunters and hydras on every suspect we see. No one is going to give a flying fuck about it.

Oh well its not going to surprise me you guys already abuse with it.

[Ramo_Hawk]

An example of how you talk out of your ass and have no idea about it. Roam the forums for a while there are dozens of topics moaning about hydras and hunters, even shamal deployments.

So you're just mad because you're not allowed to use a hydra and a hunter whenever you want? 
And, do you actually consider shamal as a way to go after someone in order to make sure his rhl doesn't lower? You are a joke and you're possibly the reason many are against FBI. Get more cops to go around, use choppers, use actual vehicles that cops in-reality might consider using. And don't give me that bullcrap "this isn't real life".. we know it isn't, but its roleplay, meaning we try to do it similarly to real life. When I said bend the rules a little, I didn't mean like this nonsense, like get a criminal on your side and make him an informant. I have mad respect for Carter because he does try to do his job, but what the fuck are you trying to do.

EDIT: This is how I see it, if we go in the air with a shamal or any kind of plane, we're in the air and we're a risk to the society, so you are allowed to deploy a hydra. If we are in the ocean, deploy a hydra to circle around and locate us, then send choppers/boats to that location... if still cannot be done, deploy a hunter.

^ If it's that way, I don't know what anyone is moaning about. If it isn't, it should be.

[.Matthew.]

Oh well its not going to surprise me you guys already abuse with it.

See what I'm saying? action of one and they blame the other 30.
Either way, what's shown on the video is not right and shouldn't have happened. And I'm also certain it wasn't done on purpose since it happens many times the escaped message is lost between other messages of radio / CB / GM spam.

So you're just mad because you're not allowed to use a hydra and a hunter whenever you want? 

He simply pointed out what you said that nobody gives a fuck if someone breaks regulations. It's obvious you do when it's you being abused, but don't when it's your friend the one abusing.
Double standard. Let others be abused as long as I am not.

And no, I don't support hydras and hunters being used like that.

And, do you actually consider shamal as a way to go after someone in order to make sure his rhl doesn't lower? You are a joke and you're possibly the reason many are against FBI. Get more cops to go around, use choppers, use actual vehicles that cops in-reality might consider using.

Wouldn't have to use a shamal if we had a proper drone script that works instead of pointlessly spamming the chat.
And besides that, it wouldn't have to be used if helicopter speed was realistic. Infernus max speed 240 and helicopter 200. It's none's fault (beside R*).

EDIT: This is how I see it, if we go in the air with a shamal or any kind of plane, we're in the air and we're a risk to the society, so you are allowed to deploy a hydra. If we are in the ocean, deploy a hydra to circle around and locate us, then send choppers/boats to that location... if still cannot be done, deploy a hunter.

Exactly, but issue with people on boat is that most of times they decide to shoot at the hunter or hydra, and that's why they get destroyed. Shooting at the hunter or hydra = death wish.

[TiMoN]

Exactly, but issue with people on boat is that most of times they decide to shoot at the hunter or hydra, and that's why they get destroyed. Shooting at the hunter or hydra = death wish.

You have predators which are equipped with dual M4s, and if we please could get rid of the silly rule and script that prevents us from shooting on top vehicles which are made for people to sit on/in(bobcat/yosemite/boats) it would do a lot more good.

[.Matthew.]

That M4 doesn't aim at anything but the other boat itself, which if none is driving it won't lose health due to SA-MP. Thus meaning that the predator itself would be fucked in matter of seconds if there are two suspects shooting at it with desert eagle or M4 / AK47.

[Ramo_Hawk]

Exactly, but issue with people on boat is that most of times they decide to shoot at the hunter or hydra, and that's why they get destroyed. Shooting at the hunter or hydra = death wish.

If they shoot at a hunter/hydra, you have every right to fire back, I do not see a problem with that..

He simply pointed out what you said that nobody gives a fuck if someone breaks regulations. It's obvious you do when it's you being abused, but don't when it's your friend the one abusing.
Double standard. Let others be abused as long as I am not.

Nobody gives a fuck to breaking regulations meaning minor ones such as being corrupt, helping in the drug business, helping criminal do illegal acts and whatnot, not about using heavy vehicles for deathmatching and to use it for your own benefit.

EDIT:

That M4 doesn't aim at anything but the other boat itself, which if none is driving it won't lose health due to SA-MP. Thus meaning that the predator itself would be fucked in matter of seconds if there are two suspects shooting at it with desert eagle or M4 / AK47.

Do the exact same to them?

[taseen11]

You have predators which are equipped with dual M4s

And how exactly are predators supposed to keep up with Squallos or Jetmaxs?

[.Matthew.]

Do the exact same to them?

Whatever happens, if you shoot at a hydra or hunter then you'll get done by its rockets.
If you shoot at the units on boat, then they'll return fire at you from that boat.

[Ramo_Hawk]

And how exactly are predators supposed to keep up with Squallos or Jetmaxs?

If they're in the sea, you should be allowed to deploy a hunter imo. If they shoot at you, fire back, if not, stick around and call for back up. If they don't want want a hunter after ass, they should go into the sea. I have no actual knowledge of what the exact rules are here, but that's how they should be, if they aren't, whoever made them isn't suppose to be in power of doing them.