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GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Thom on July 04, 2018, 11:59:57 pm

Title: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Thom on July 04, 2018, 11:59:57 pm
Hello, maybe there are already many unnecessary posts about SA:MP's current condition. Starting off, It's pretty simple from my perspective: if you are willing to help bring activity back then try to do so instead of complaining or if you just believe Argonath SA:MP should accept its fate and disappear, maybe you should disappear your commentary on the topics that suggest to help fix this problem.

SA:MP's prime and activity is obviously descending. Old players are older now and don't have enough free time to dedicate to the server's playerbase. We've hit bottom with zero players online for long periods of time.

Firstly, if you don't want to help with this situation you don't have place here, meaning that if you believe we should let SA:MP die, let it be dead for you, let the people who want to help do something, you are doing the opposite of helping by spreading out your negativity.

Secondly, the only solution i've come up with is for the group of people that truly care to fix this issue, is to organise Events -for the fun- and RP activities -for the purpose of the server- ahead of time so everyone can probably organise their time to be there. It's important to balance both fun and quality RPing. Shouldn't focus too much on the RP and lose the fun and not lose the fun trying to make quality Roleplays. I don't know if someone like me should take iniative and start a project like this, but if there are people reading that like the idea and want to help do this, message me in forum.

Basicly, I'm saying there is no reason in shit posting, stop it. The rest is just a solution that I had to suggest.



I've made my point, about how i see this problem getting fixed. From here and on, I'm going to explain a little bit more how I see the RP Activities and Event project come to life for those who can relate to the idea.

1. Make a poll for people's most active hours on weekends and weekdays.
2. Organise Events and RP activities, on the top 3 or 5 most active hours throught the days, on 1-2 weeks++ notice.
3. On the organising of these, people get to so if they can attend, so more and more people will get motivated to come if the estimated playerbase is getting high.
4. If the playerbase isn't getting high, make the events-rps more rarely and on 2 weeks+ notice, till the ammount of players which can attend is satisfying.

People will have fun and take initiative to not let the playerbase drop again.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Khm on July 05, 2018, 12:18:33 am
Again the issues are well known and they were addressed, ideas have been forwarded by too many people however the 2 heads and the eye aren't willing to acknowledge the issues and thus failing to even propose a solution or carry on with the suggestions to save the division, like I said on the other topic, the ball is in the community leader's and owners' hands.

RP events won't help, people will get bored from the constant staged acts (that if they actually come to try), people want continuous action to get them interested to login on the next day with a hype to find something new. To do that we need a solid ground to stand on with people standing on it that never skipped a leg day and currently we have no one like that or more like, the people that have these qualifications are pushed aside and being ignored, even staff and HQ are being ignored.
Since I've already exposed few things then I will even release something else, all of this that happened to SA:MP was because of the constant false complaints from certain people to a certain person because they didn't get what they thought rightfully theirs just because they think so, these very people didn't like that they are being compared neutrally like everyone else on the server and wanted favoritism like they've always had before from few ex corrupted staff members. They only wanted to see a corner that they didn't like from the whole picture. This selfishness led to what we're in right now. The one who received the complaints took decisionSSS upon these false accusations and caused this 2weeks downfall (server literally dropped from 60 average to 0 in 2 weeks, that doesn't happen magically lol) and then Mudoo took the chance of the downfall of Argonath's SA:MP division and recruited members there and hyped them up with few promises in which they apparently fulfilled which is why people are sticking there rather than returning here even though 70% of the cancer we had moved there. Anyone from staff team who isn't blind knows about all of this aswell but we're just being silent to not cause even worse damage.
All of this is documented in logs and screenshots and only few people have them and there's much more to know.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Chase on July 05, 2018, 01:52:43 am
Unfortunately what Khm said appears to be true...
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Thom on July 05, 2018, 02:30:01 am
As I already said in the first post, my basic point is to stop the pointless blaming,complaining and shitting on each other.

As for my suggestion, I realise it isn't the best solution and never said it was the right/fitting one. I've given thought into it and It seemed like the only practical way in my eyes to start fixing this problem. You can't expect a bunch of people who have the free time to be daily on the server and lost interest cause of reasons, to come back out of randomly common urge to play.

That's why I opened this topic, not for people to follow my idea necessarily, but to at least suggest something else instead of solely rejecting my idea and to stop shit-posting.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Khm on July 05, 2018, 01:50:15 pm
As I already said in the first post, my basic point is to stop the pointless blaming,complaining and shitting on each other.

As for my suggestion, I realise it isn't the best solution and never said it was the right/fitting one. I've given thought into it and It seemed like the only practical way in my eyes to start fixing this problem. You can't expect a bunch of people who have the free time to be daily on the server and lost interest cause of reasons, to come back out of randomly common urge to play.

That's why I opened this topic, not for people to follow my idea necessarily, but to at least suggest something else instead of solely rejecting my idea and to stop shit-posting.
Unfortunately the solutions can only be done by the three heads no matter how much players want to help out or improve as they will be pushed aside and at some cases stopped from doing anything because some people have personal agendas against them, too many tried but they were all chased away.
You can't stop people from blaming others, the first step to finding a solution is realising the problem if we're going to limit people from blaming or pointing out problems then it will be the true end of Argonath's SA:MP division.
The same people who created these problems and spread false accusations around now realised what they have done and were trying to revive the server with activity but they failed since no one really believes them anymore or even like them since people who cared were shown the truth of what is really going on behind the scenes and just the knowledge of what's going on is an instant motivation kill. The real problems started from player's selfishness, stupidity and stubbornness and it slowly got transmitted to the higher ups as well as were shown the wrong information which led to where we are now.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Legolas on July 05, 2018, 02:05:21 pm
Yes now only Sauron,  Gandalf and Aragorn can change the server. If that happening we can focus on quality instead of quantity. In some part i am happy to se that, these people who shitted all the time. Left us. Then in my opinion, we could back to original Argonath vision of RPG.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Bennzy on July 05, 2018, 04:00:44 pm
Unban me then maybe i'll hop inthe game when i'llatleast see 1 guy ig.  :D
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Sauron on July 06, 2018, 05:57:31 pm
The owners are not the ones who can change he it. It is up to the players and the team. I notice that someone here is complaining about his perceived bad handled personal issue, hoping that all staff will be fired and reformed. Apart from not seeing anyone with the capacity to replace, it seems more of an issue where there is a split in sides within the team. That will be addressed.
Events, fun roleplay a d action.do not come from staff or owners. They come from players.
When owners stage them they also do.it as players.
If you want change, go for it. If you want to help, be in game and also outside try to contribute in a positive way. If you feel you can be staff, show it by your actions.
When. I recently appeared I got many messages from people telling they can bring back players if they get a staff position. It does not work that way. Start by bringing in players, and show your skills then a position will follow.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: JackDockz on July 06, 2018, 06:12:57 pm
You're Right Sauron....
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Khm on July 06, 2018, 06:39:35 pm
The owners are not the ones who can change he it. It is up to the players and the team. I notice that someone here is complaining about his perceived bad handled personal issue, hoping that all staff will be fired and reformed. Apart from not seeing anyone with the capacity to replace, it seems more of an issue where there is a split in sides within the team. That will be addressed.
Events, fun roleplay a d action.do not come from staff or owners. They come from players.
When owners stage them they also do.it as players.
If you want change, go for it. If you want to help, be in game and also outside try to contribute in a positive way. If you feel you can be staff, show it by your actions.
When. I recently appeared I got many messages from people telling they can bring back players if they get a staff position. It does not work that way. Start by bringing in players, and show your skills then a position will follow.
@Sauron
Staff reform won't fix anything either, the players that wanted a change were ignored when they started to do the change and no one supported or helped them. The new players wont come and even if they come they won't stay, big proof is the hosted tab, the moment it expired the new players that we kept logging in disappeared. You can't get or keep players if you have a whole stack of unsolved problems sitting there and refusing to acknowledge them. Everyone is tired from hearing things and getting hopes and not seeing a single action done, at this point if V:MP gets the same treatment as SA:MP, it won't last long aswell. Take notes from IV:MP and VC:MP on how they keep their own playerbase and how they keep gaining more fresh meat.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Bennzy on July 06, 2018, 06:41:28 pm
Thanks for responding sir Sauron, hope you do the things you justsaid, i'll try tohelp people once i'll beunbaned :)


P.S: tell our owners to wear an avatar and don't change it for 10 years, Kessu did the same and see where is vmp now :D
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Pete on July 06, 2018, 06:41:50 pm
Nah, no, nada....no. You don't come and point to the players and say they ruined it and they can fix it...nah players can't fix it....trough out the years there has been so many awesome suggestions from players so many nice ideas and so many great groups and most of them are ignored.....(it took Hevar months to get the fighting styles in) I'm too lazy to search for Kyle's suggestion it was big and it would've brought Argo to another lvl. Lets not forget that we were let down more then once, with all the promises - new mall, new big good scripts, new mayors, better EMS and firefighter script that will support ppl that want to work as that....we were left with empty hands...nah we were even robbed with the last major update. You call all say that drugs ain't everything...well it was big part of the whole thing....either you like it or not...and you killed the one thing that was active, without even making tests or asking the players for ideas on how it can be better....you just killed it. And for all those who are telling people to come IG and start RPing and have fun and we'll see how the server will rise back again...well it ain't happening, I'll go IG with 3 ppl do one RP and poof, nothing else to do...I'll do it again tmr and I'll get bored seeing the same faces.....
Events aren't the answer...it's far from that we can't push events to gather players else we'd have to host events 24/7 so we can keep players on, and that won't last long either...I think it was Gandalf who said /me is enough....well old man..you might be wise but when you have servers that offer you much more interesting stuff + that /me command it won't do the job... it's like offering an Iphone X and a Nokia 5000 to a guy and both for free...well spoiler nobody's choosing the Nokia.
And it's true many people got disappointed by the staff or HQ or some events and gave up on the server or lost interest, I ain't gonna lie, I'm included.
So no, players aren't the one who has to fix the server, they ain't the owners of it.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Jeremy. on July 06, 2018, 06:54:10 pm
The owners are not the ones who can change he it. It is up to the players and the team. I notice that someone here is complaining about his perceived bad handled personal issue, hoping that all staff will be fired and reformed. Apart from not seeing anyone with the capacity to replace, it seems more of an issue where there is a split in sides within the team. That will be addressed.
Events, fun roleplay a d action.do not come from staff or owners. They come from players.
When owners stage them they also do.it as players.
If you want change, go for it. If you want to help, be in game and also outside try to contribute in a positive way. If you feel you can be staff, show it by your actions.
When. I recently appeared I got many messages from people telling they can bring back players if they get a staff position. It does not work that way. Start by bringing in players, and show your skills then a position will follow.

You should blame yourself rather than blaming your players.

Every HQ reform we had it always ended up with people being community banned and thrown away like an old pair of socks and guess what? Your playerbase of 30-60 players suddenly dropped to something like 1-5? Did you ever think about owners/HQ being the main reason of players leaving?

You always treated your own players like shit and whenever they came up with some unique ideas you just shut the door right in their nose saying "your ideas doesnt fit Argonath vision, go away".

Years passed and you kept loosing your players because you werent capable of selecting a capable HQ team which could show dedication on their tasks and focus on keeping the server alive, giving reasons for the current players to stay and try to attract even more people. Same goes for developing team, they would need 2 fucking years to complete something really basic because there was none to put them to work and kick their asses if they couldn't do it in time. "I was busy IRL" is just a silly excuse while they offered themselves as volunteers. Now you will say "you dont need a script to rp" haha, wake up, its 2018. It's a 13 years old game, the generations are changing and those which come from behind they always tend to get attracted by new stuff.

Let's not forget the biased staff selections which were made. People ending up getting banned for no reasons. People which were caught hacking 5 times being unbanned again and again. People abusing their powers just because X player is taking part in the rival group. The same people which got caught being abusive got kicked/demoted 2-3 times then re-joined the staff like nothing happened.

There are soooooo much things I could wrote but at the end of the day I know nothing will change.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: William Carter on July 06, 2018, 06:57:13 pm
Am really disappointed seeing how the mall and the other updates, suggestions are not implemented in the server, 2 months passed btw. i knew many players were working hard, and now, nothing changed. The problem is from the head, they should take more responsibilities and try to fix and implement the update or atleast a topic should be posted explaining everything. But, I guess sauron or Gandalf insist to have the same HQ which means nothing will change I totally agree with ikhm
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Cyclone on July 06, 2018, 07:09:54 pm
Am really disappointed seeing how the mall and the other updates, suggestions are not implemented in the server, 2 months passed btw. i knew many players were working hard, and now, nothing changed. The problem is from the head, they should take more responsibilities and try to fix and implement the update or atleast a topic should be posted explaining everything. But, I guess sauron or Gandalf insist to have the same HQ which means nothing will change.

I have to parkour my way up to the guy just to see that I didn't gain anything.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Younes on July 06, 2018, 07:34:46 pm


I don't like to be negative but it's not true. Players can't do everything, there must be some motivational movements from the heads to make sure the server runs better. I totally support what Khm said above.. because it's the truth and no one can deny.

If we want the server to be saved, there are certain steps we must do. If we are just going to pretend everything's okay and that it's no one's responsibility, then we can never expect a change in how the server's going and we're rather going to have it's extinction soon.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Miki. on July 06, 2018, 07:55:39 pm
As Khm said - players have been trying and a nice amount with great power to reach a change but they were constantly pushed away or ignored and in such terms it feels like staying around is a waste of time while I can say truthfully I'd do anything to hold up to this server and keep it alive.
My PC is capable of runing any game possible right now and a few months back when the server was active yet I spend 99 percents of my gaming time on argonath SAMP "the dying old game" with awful graphics. And there are many like that yeah fiveM will be outstanding and fun and should've been worked on already a while back  but samp manages to drop this RP concept and the whole power of a community besides butthurt fights and toxicity don't forget there was a huge amount of friendships made and after all look at the amount of people hunting a solution down and there were times where they tryed to make a change IG but again pushed away.

In this group of people we have rival people who took their IG role and are hating each other outside of the game as well yet they all combine power to bring this community back - The players care and are willing to do any thing needed I can easily provide 10-20 fully trustful people that will spend the majority of their freetime in order to save SAMP division and will do it properly with out agenda or hate slipping down their actions towards groups or people. Players aren't the problem not this time.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Badandy on July 06, 2018, 08:01:49 pm
Let's just lay the SA-MP server to rest and say one last goodbye and move on to the future. I truly think FiveM is the future.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Miki. on July 06, 2018, 08:12:17 pm
Let's just lay the SA-MP server to rest and say one last goodbye and move on to the future. I truly think FiveM is the future.

FiveM will be the future IF the current SAMP problems won't just roll there.
problems still exist rather if it's SAMP or fiveM not to mention SAMP shouldn't entirely die alot of players in this community can't run fiveM that's not a reason to shit on them and take SAMP down from them ( I can run and I can't wait for fiveM but only if it won't carry SAMP's problems).
If it will maintain the problems I won't even bother to log in once.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Cyclone on July 06, 2018, 08:59:35 pm
We were alive today! With 3 players. I am considering it alive because of the current situation.

(https://s33.postimg.cc/h0osyh3gv/sa-mp-016.png)
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Sauron on July 06, 2018, 09:10:19 pm
I see the semi professional shitters already taking stabs. I will be short and clear. First of all until two months ago I never interfered so anyone blaming me is simply wRONg.
Script updates are important but at the same time should have zero influence on roleplay. Do not blame HQ for the lack of updates but blame the scripters with the mental stability of an active volcano who get offended so often by players that they get a burnout or just run away. There have been some talents but most had to learn while on the job, which makes development slow.
As for players asking for change, the time we let players decide the direction led to the biggest loss. Kids should not decided for their parents, and anyone under 25 is mentally a kid.
Some never overcome that stage, I may be one of those.
Having fun is not pressing a button 1000 times to see your worthless virtual money grow. It is using your mind and tools you have to interact. And no, reporting whining and telling people to RP better is not interacting.
So to all who left because their virtual coin counter did not go as fast as before, how about understanding the target if the server first and then start to whine.

You want better scripts? No worry they will be. You want a better atmosphere? Read your own posts and wonder how you can motivate others instead of pushing them in to the ground.
To the forum moderators: do not ban the pricka that are here to scream murder hoping to advertise in silence.We give everyone a voice, as long as they keep it civil. That is why we survive.
Finally about the divisions. We have given VCMP and IVMP space to develop when no other community did. That is why they are stable. VMP is just starting so we expect some issues, but it has potential.As for SAMP it will develop still and those who still love it will come.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Miki. on July 06, 2018, 09:27:09 pm
A server can't lose activity from 60 solid to zero because of script issues or any thing alike, scripts were attracting new players but as veterans none of us needs more then basic scripts to interact. yet the server disappeared from 60 to zero clearly we aren't speaking scripts or atmosphere as an issue the issue is massively bigger and related which pushes players away ,firstly the ones who actually put effort into the community while plenty of HQ members were a sleep playing other games or busy with their real life. there was a great amount of veterans demonstrating the basic human nature of always wanting to advance and improve and they put alot of effort until they were put down and surely they will be the first to flee due to their major effort. later on the players that do nothing move as well because server started dying and dropped massively in the level of roleplay and in basic rules of players staff or whatever everything went to clear chaos surely players will flee as well.

We had script issues since the start of RS5 yet we had 60.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Chase on July 06, 2018, 09:32:13 pm
Script updates are important but at the same time should have zero influence on roleplay. Do not blame HQ for the lack of updates but blame the scripters with the mental stability of an active volcano who get offended so often by players that they get a burnout or just run away.

Nowadays nothing really offends me anymore as I've grown used to it. The only thing preventing me from updating the scripts is the lack of help from the rest of the team and the fact that if I do update the scripts, I'm afraid if it does not bring back players, my effort would be for nothing. The current RS5 script is a mess. It either needs a huge cleanup or an entire rewrite.. That's something that would take me forever to do myself since I don't have any help. If I can make new features for players with the guarantee that no one higher up will interfere with the process.. I will consider doing it after I'm done with school at the end of this month.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Khm on July 06, 2018, 09:50:15 pm
I see the semi professional shitters already taking stabs. I will be short and clear. First of all until two months ago I never interfered so anyone blaming me is simply wRONg.
Script updates are important but at the same time should have zero influence on roleplay. Do not blame HQ for the lack of updates but blame the scripters with the mental stability of an active volcano who get offended so often by players that they get a burnout or just run away. There have been some talents but most had to learn while on the job, which makes development slow.
As for players asking for change, the time we let players decide the direction led to the biggest loss. Kids should not decided for their parents, and anyone under 25 is mentally a kid.
Some never overcome that stage, I may be one of those.
Having fun is not pressing a button 1000 times to see your worthless virtual money grow. It is using your mind and tools you have to interact. And no, reporting whining and telling people to RP better is not interacting.
So to all who left because their virtual coin counter did not go as fast as before, how about understanding the target if the server first and then start to whine.

You want better scripts? No worry they will be. You want a better atmosphere? Read your own posts and wonder how you can motivate others instead of pushing them in to the ground.
To the forum moderators: do not ban the pricka that are here to scream murder hoping to advertise in silence.We give everyone a voice, as long as they keep it civil. That is why we survive.
Finally about the divisions. We have given VCMP and IVMP space to develop when no other community did. That is why they are stable. VMP is just starting so we expect some issues, but it has potential.As for SAMP it will develop still and those who still love it will come.
@Sauron
Yet again you're missing the point, or actually are you doing it on purpose? People didn't leave because of money, people left because of how decisions were being taken and how the environment was purposely ruined and how empty the promises were. Everything was okay but it suddenly got ruined, first week we dropped from 60 players to 10 and the second week we reached 0. The rival community took the chance and invited people to their server and people went there. If you're failing to see what's the problem then how do you call yourself the all seeing eye?
People are not blaming you in singular, they are using the "you" term in plural aka, yourself, gandalf and carbon (and who knows maybe someone else too but these 3 are always in all lists). People don't want the owners to do everything they asked for but do what is best for the community, if they are suggesting ways to improve the environment and the whole gameplay experience of the server why do you tell them to fuck off?
And about the less than 25 years old reference, there are 14 year old kids who are wiser and more intelligent than a 50-60 years old geezer. Stop spitting on the people who are making this community a community, well and alive, without them this community will cease to exist.
Why SA:MP specifically isn't getting its own space to develop just like VC:MP and IV:MP, why there's always someone to ruin everything that was planned and worked on for quite the time? We've had plans and things being written for July since January and they were going well in a fast pace but guess who stopped them and why they were stopped? The same "reason" that stopped the development and plans started a rant of fake stories that he spread around the community that too many knew it was false and fake and got frustrated from it and acted upon it but were also threatened if they don't stop taking the right side. Stop blaming players and stop blaming who speaks the truth, yes it hurts but trying to conceal it will do you no good.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: beLTa on July 07, 2018, 12:01:27 am
I left because of the shit HQ Gandalf chose to run the server.

The same way, not everyone that left the server left because of the shit script or whatever inside reason. The reason is simple. The HQ chose nepotism over you know..
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: beLTa on July 07, 2018, 12:03:35 am
So instead of blaming each other, admit that you, THE HQ, fucked the whole server, all together.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Reckless on July 07, 2018, 12:06:42 am
I wrote out a long and comprehensive response. But then decided it wasn't worth it and erased it all. Instead, enjoy this song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ0fwJojhrs
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Khm on July 07, 2018, 12:14:27 am
I left because of the shit HQ Gandalf chose to run the server.

The same way, not everyone that left the server left because of the shit script or whatever inside reason. The reason is simple. The HQ chose nepotism over you know..
No, you left because Matthew got banned for cyberbullying and you got banned for the hate speech you spammed  and pretended that your account was breached.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: beLTa on July 07, 2018, 12:44:05 am
I left because of the shit HQ Gandalf chose to run the server.

The same way, not everyone that left the server left because of the shit script or whatever inside reason. The reason is simple. The HQ chose nepotism over you know..
No, you left because Matthew got banned for cyberbullying and you got banned for the hate speech you spammed  and pretended that your account was breached.

You don't know shit my friend. Stop protecting your ass.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Justin39 on July 07, 2018, 12:48:33 am
forum be lit rn lmao
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Khm on July 07, 2018, 01:05:40 am
I left because of the shit HQ Gandalf chose to run the server.

The same way, not everyone that left the server left because of the shit script or whatever inside reason. The reason is simple. The HQ chose nepotism over you know..
No, you left because Matthew got banned for cyberbullying and you got banned for the hate speech you spammed  and pretended that your account was breached.

You don't know shit my friend. Stop protecting your ass.
It's not like i didnt dig about this matter when i was a manager.
I'd like the topic to stay as it was, a constructive discussion rather than shitting on people when it's not even their fault.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: DinoKid23 on July 07, 2018, 01:51:40 am
If u really wanna see a pop in player return unban all, revert back to simple script or release an all new super super one that will create hype and make new leadership team. that's the truth man
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: TedHamilton on July 07, 2018, 02:03:04 am
forum be lit rn lmao

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Legolas on July 07, 2018, 02:03:36 am
The owners are not the ones who can change he it. It is up to the players and the team. I notice that someone here is complaining about his perceived bad handled personal issue, hoping that all staff will be fired and reformed. Apart from not seeing anyone with the capacity to replace, it seems more of an issue where there is a split in sides within the team. That will be addressed.
Events, fun roleplay a d action.do not come from staff or owners. They come from players.
When owners stage them they also do.it as players.
If you want change, go for it. If you want to help, be in game and also outside try to contribute in a positive way. If you feel you can be staff, show it by your actions.
When. I recently appeared I got many messages from people telling they can bring back players if they get a staff position. It does not work that way. Start by bringing in players, and show your skills then a position will follow.

I been online for few months last year. I try to have good old RP fun. And you know what? Nobody cares. Expat 5 People,  that actually knew what RP stand for. And what was my conclusion form that time:

1. People didnt know, and don't want to learn what is RP
2. People care more on virtual money than having fun
3. There was, and is split in administration  (i will keep more information for myself)
4. In my opinion half scripts should be removed (if you ask i will explain why) 
5. Owners are not guilty for all player mistakes...but activity (ask in PM)
6. Events and new scripts wont change anything
7. These who wanted change players attitude by learning them RP,  left or quit (when all shitted on you, it happens).   
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Thom on July 07, 2018, 06:02:06 am
Ignoring the fact that many people didn't even care to read the main topic and went straight ahead fighting or shit-posting, I'm just going to present my observation.

Asking people to help bring the activity back, pming me in forum to organise it, I didn't even get a single PM. It's easy for heads,staff and players to point the blame to each other, but the problem isn't who's fault is this but how to conclude to a solution. I believe most people know that RP Activities and Events would bring at least 0.01% fix to this problem, if you truly cared to fix it you would have tried to organise it, at least one person, for this tiny percent.



People need to get their shit together, and actually do something for this instead of blaming. If we can't bring ourselves together to a solution, then for fuck's sake i'm going to agree with the let it die movement.

Any change now that will keep people waiting again, will bring more dissatisfaction. If you don't like my idea, then go ahead suggest something else. If you want to bring the server's activity back then do something about it. Anyone can  help with this, be they a player, staff or owners, if they actually have the intent to help.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Reckless on July 07, 2018, 06:04:56 am
2. People care more on virtual money than having fun

I want to empower players to have fun and not focus on money. Therefore, I propose, everyone send me all their money and assets as soon as I install GTA and SA:MP, whenever that is.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Khm on July 07, 2018, 07:56:26 am
Ignoring the fact that many people didn't even care to read the main topic and went straight ahead fighting or shit-posting, I'm just going to present my observation.

Asking people to help bring the activity back, pming me in forum to organise it, I didn't even get a single PM. It's easy for heads,staff and players to point the blame to each other, but the problem isn't who's fault is this but how to conclude to a solution. I believe most people know that RP Activities and Events would bring at least 0.01% fix to this problem, if you truly cared to fix it you would have tried to organise it, at least one person, for this tiny percent.



People need to get their shit together, and actually do something for this instead of blaming. If we can't bring ourselves together to a solution, then for fuck's sake i'm going to agree with the let it die movement.

Any change now that will keep people waiting again, will bring more dissatisfaction. If you don't like my idea, then go ahead suggest something else. If you want to bring the server's activity back then do something about it. Anyone can  help with this, be they a player, staff or owners, if they actually have the intent to help.
First step to solving a problem is acknowledging mistakes, people expressed their intent to help too many times but were pushed away, the ones who pushed everyone away for their personal agendas must man up and admit what they have done and apologise publicly, thats the only way to get people who cared back.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Mark on July 07, 2018, 09:19:15 am
I don't know why you expect people not to shit on you owners, when in these years you have been insulting players who shared different ideas than your "argonath vision" and also refused or at least try to implement some changes to the scripts, that according to you were against the vision. Developers have always been limited also by it when they tried to implement community's suggestions.
You don't want this place to die but at same time you don't want to adapt it to the new generation who does roleplay differently than 10 years ago. The world evolves, but this one is stuck to a mentality that has proved to do more harm than good in the last 4-5 years...
With this said i think it's up to you to bring players back, i'm pretty sure alot of people left in the the first place because they were treated bad and felt like they were wasting time.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: RastaMousey on July 07, 2018, 11:57:19 am
forum be lit rn lmao
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: JackDockz on July 07, 2018, 12:25:07 pm
forum be lit rn lmao

 :rofl: Good Positivity  :lol:
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Andeey on July 07, 2018, 12:46:07 pm
The SA:MP community will never begin to repair itself if people keep blaming each other rather than looking in the god damn mirror.

Fix yourselves before you criticize others.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Thom on July 07, 2018, 01:04:49 pm
The SA:MP community will never begin to repair itself if people keep blaming each other rather than looking in the god damn mirror.

Fix yourselves before you criticize others.

That.

We are the people who constitute this community, this enviroment. You didn't join this community because you had high hopes for HQ's management, but because you found interest in the people in it. The name Argonath limits us to rules, server, staff but in the end, the group of people under it are the ones keeping it alive. Argonath Community.. Both words are interdependent. Argonath without community can't exist, but community without argonath can exist by moving, like it has already did, on other servers. Anything that constitutes Argonath, should give a good reason to the community to stay under its name.

Still, who's fault is it isn't the problem, but for the simple reason that Community can exist without Argonath, but not vice versa, there have to be some changes from the heads of the server or high ranks. At the same time, for the sake of the community,for the people that you had fun with , players should try too fixing this problem, if they can clear to themselves if their intent to help the fix of this problem is bigger than their ego.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Miki. on July 07, 2018, 01:13:31 pm
The SA:MP community will never begin to repair itself if people keep blaming each other rather than looking in the god damn mirror.

Fix yourselves before you criticize others.

That.

We are the people who constitute this community, this enviroment. You didn't join this community because you had high hopes for HQ's management, but because you found interest in the people in it. The name Argonath limits us to rules, server, staff but in the end, the group of people under it are the ones keeping it alive. Argonath Community.. Both words are interdependent. Argonath without community can't exist, but community without argonath can exist by moving, like it has already did, on other servers. Anything that constitutes Argonath, should give a good reason to the community to stay under its name.

Still, who's fault is it isn't the problem, but for the simple reason that Community can exist without Argonath, but not vice versa, there have to be some changes from the heads of the server or high ranks. At the same time, for the sake of the community,for the people that you had fun with , players should try too fixing this problem, if they can clear to themselves if their intent to help the fix of this problem is bigger than their ego.

I say it with out a doubt players tryed and are willing to try to make a change and advance, thing here is that the problem that exists is out of the hand of the players they can't do nothing there is a reason the player base dropped drastically with in two weeks and everyone disappeared I used to put the majority of my time into the game putting work into it and even when I'm not on the PC ideas were cooking up my head about new stuff to bring and more ideas. scripts are not important the minimum you expect from HQ is not to bring new updates and new stuff is to avoid favoritism and keep the server at a stable place with out any chaos. both were failed which first pushed the players that put alot of effort and simply felt stepped  on  and with out these players stuff went into chaos and that's the result even the smallest players that aren't really updated with the stuff going behind the scenes left as a cause of that. that's a prove players do in fact have a great power true but when it comes to current condition people will refuse to log in not because they don't care they will not log in because the problem stays and lets face it who wants to throw time into a game while not having fun in it. not having fun because of favoritism existing and chaos both with in the lines we can see in the server and behind the scenes same chaos is going on.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Thomas_A on July 07, 2018, 01:40:47 pm
Lets keep making these topics, lets keep talking the same shit over and over, blaming the same people over and over. Guess what - nothing will change.
Stuff will change If people go ingame, roleplay or do whatever they feel like whats within the limits of rules and enjoy themselves. If others see people doing that, they will eventually join in and that helps/motivates developers to work on their objectives quicker perhaps. Im not saying they're doing it slow right now or anything, but they see Its worth of doing.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: William Carter on July 07, 2018, 02:11:27 pm
Lets keep making these topics, lets keep talking the same shit over and over, blaming the same people over and over. Guess what - nothing will change.
Stuff will change If people go ingame, roleplay or do whatever they feel like whats within the limits of rules and enjoy themselves. If others see people doing that, they will eventually join in and that helps/motivates developers to work on their objectives quicker perhaps. Im not saying they're doing it slow right now or anything, but they see Its worth of doing.
I like the idea but it will never work even the next 40393 years  :gand:
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Miki. on July 07, 2018, 02:12:35 pm
Lets keep making these topics, lets keep talking the same shit over and over, blaming the same people over and over. Guess what - nothing will change.
Stuff will change If people go ingame, roleplay or do whatever they feel like whats within the limits of rules and enjoy themselves. If others see people doing that, they will eventually join in and that helps/motivates developers to work on their objectives quicker perhaps. Im not saying they're doing it slow right now or anything, but they see Its worth of doing.

I agree these topics aren't contributing in a any way yet lets not forget the problem isn't that players aren't willing to log in and play, they have a reason not to log in if it was that easy as " lets all login and RP then everyone will come" I stop my self from logging in because I'm informed about the absurd problems and around 25 more guys I know have the same issue it has nothing to do with people being dis-motivated to log in.
Don't forget the other server took the chance just because players left for a reason they didn't prefer it they just found it as an escape room and something a like, but they left in the first place for reasons.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Khm on July 07, 2018, 02:15:20 pm
We are the people who constitute this community, this enviroment. You didn't join this community because you had high hopes for HQ's management, but because you found interest in the people in it.
The times and generation have changed from way back and the community leaders way back have had a better grip into the community than now.
Still, who's fault is it isn't the problem, but for the simple reason that Community can exist without Argonath, but not vice versa, there have to be some changes from the heads of the server or high ranks. At the same time, for the sake of the community,for the people that you had fun with , players should try too fixing this problem, if they can clear to themselves if their intent to help the fix of this problem is bigger than their ego.
Who's fault is known and the problem is also known but the failure to acknowledge these things because of egoistic problems won't give the motivation for the players to come back and to actually try to help fix things because they know they will be fucked over. People going IG doing the same thing over and over will get them bored, they will eventually leave after 1 week max just like what happened the past few weeks. The same people that say we should go IG aren't even going IG and are actively playing Mudoo, LSRP and some other random servers. People will only change when the heads change, have you ever seen a country where people changed for their own country? It's always the government heads that get changed by either being voted out or a revolt because the people will never do bad to their country/community as long as they are living/playing freely and normally without being bothered, the criminals/trolls are exceptions of course.
Keep in mind that people are willing to help but they are fed up from seeing the same empty promises over and over and they are fed from the heads not admitting their mistakes when they do one while if they do a simple mistake they get fucked over and at some cases they get written on a blacklist because of one of the head's agenda.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Thomas_A on July 07, 2018, 02:19:27 pm
The same people that say we should go IG aren't even going IG and are actively playing Mudoo, LSRP and some other random servers.

Pretty sure you're one of them.


Lets keep making these topics, lets keep talking the same shit over and over, blaming the same people over and over. Guess what - nothing will change.
Stuff will change If people go ingame, roleplay or do whatever they feel like whats within the limits of rules and enjoy themselves. If others see people doing that, they will eventually join in and that helps/motivates developers to work on their objectives quicker perhaps. Im not saying they're doing it slow right now or anything, but they see Its worth of doing.
I like the idea but it will never work even the next 40393 years  :gand:

Of course It doesnt If you sit on your ass in the forums and complain about shit, while you could do something about it and that something is so easy, I bet you couldnt come up with it.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: William Carter on July 07, 2018, 02:43:14 pm
The same people that say we should go IG aren't even going IG and are actively playing Mudoo, LSRP and some other random servers.

Pretty sure you're one of them.


Lets keep making these topics, lets keep talking the same shit over and over, blaming the same people over and over. Guess what - nothing will change.
Stuff will change If people go ingame, roleplay or do whatever they feel like whats within the limits of rules and enjoy themselves. If others see people doing that, they will eventually join in and that helps/motivates developers to work on their objectives quicker perhaps. Im not saying they're doing it slow right now or anything, but they see Its worth of doing.
I like the idea but it will never work even the next 40393 years  :gand:

Of course It doesnt If you sit on your ass in the forums and complain about shit, while you could do something about it and that something is so easy, I bet you couldnt come up with it.
Habibi no one is complaining here only you begging players to join which is totally wrong and useless and won't fix anything, many players BEFORE said this including you, in pervious TOPICS, nothing changed, why do you keep telling players to join while you your self don't?  :lol:
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Khm on July 07, 2018, 02:43:35 pm
Pretty sure you're one of them.
So in a post you say that we should stop accusing eachother and stop creating topics and then you falsely accuse me of even playing SA:MP, well bad news for, I am busy studying and travelling until I settle down in the end of July in another country and then come back in September to settle in another country again. But if we talking accusations, how about we stop killing new players for fun and claim that LSRP is better than Argonath and rage quit to there when admins tell us to stop deathmatching. Making new players flee away is also not beneficial for the server. ;). Hypocrisy is also another problem that we need to fix within this community.
And one more thing, I didn't tell people to IG, I said if the heads fix themselves and actually do something for the community players will come, so kindly go back and reread slowly what I wrote and drop your AoD-Sforza "hatred" elsewhere this is outside of character, look at the comments instead of looking at who are writing them, maybe you could understand a thing or two about the problems we're having.
Of course It doesnt If you sit on your ass in the forums and complain about shit, while you could do something about it and that something is so easy, I bet you couldnt come up with it.
Start then, what are you waiting for. I will login and stay IG for some time if I see you IG for 6 hours in one day without afking. That if I don't get banned for revealing all the intel and information in my resignation topic. :lol:
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: RastaMousey on July 07, 2018, 06:23:53 pm
*yawn*
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Carbon on July 07, 2018, 07:00:06 pm
Just to inform you guys, we are starting with administration team reform. Its highly necessary to do it as soon as possible so we can take the next steps for the future.
Everyone who are interested in future of SAMP and are willing to help us, are welcome to contact me via pm with his point of view. All the cancerous attidude players will be removed instantly.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Miki. on July 07, 2018, 07:19:19 pm
Just to inform you guys, we are starting with administration team reform. Its highly necessary to do it as soon as possible so we can take the next steps for the future.
Everyone who are interested in future of SAMP and are willing to help us, are welcome to contact me via pm with his point of view. All the cancerous attidude players will be removed instantly.

Great idea, fresh start true but never saw a problem with administration at least with low staff ranks all did their job with commitment and brain but oh well.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Thomas_A on July 07, 2018, 08:14:07 pm
Pretty sure you're one of them.
So in a post you say that we should stop accusing eachother and stop creating topics and then you falsely accuse me of even playing SA:MP, well bad news for, I am busy studying and travelling until I settle down in the end of July in another country and then come back in September to settle in another country again. But if we talking accusations, how about we stop killing new players for fun and claim that LSRP is better than Argonath and rage quit to there when admins tell us to stop deathmatching. Making new players flee away is also not beneficial for the server. ;). Hypocrisy is also another problem that we need to fix within this community.
And one more thing, I didn't tell people to IG, I said if the heads fix themselves and actually do something for the community players will come, so kindly go back and reread slowly what I wrote and drop your AoD-Sforza "hatred" elsewhere this is outside of character, look at the comments instead of looking at who are writing them, maybe you could understand a thing or two about the problems we're having.
Of course It doesnt If you sit on your ass in the forums and complain about shit, while you could do something about it and that something is so easy, I bet you couldnt come up with it.
Start then, what are you waiting for. I will login and stay IG for some time if I see you IG for 6 hours in one day without afking. That if I don't get banned for revealing all the intel and information in my resignation topic. :lol:

1.) You wanna compare the activity/time spent in server recently ? 2.)Why would I give a flying fuck about some Aod-sforza thing  :lol:
I simply posted that question because I havent seen you ingame, assuming you'd be spending time somewhere else, in other servers.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Julio. on July 07, 2018, 08:23:08 pm
The more time goes on, the more I start to believe that SA:MP is no longer the way forwards.

I don't get much chance to play games these days at all, but the way I see it is that ultimately players are going to play on whatever platform they enjoy the most. They can be tempted away by nifty scripts and being online with 200+ players, but if that's not being offered, then they're 100% going to gravitate to a more modern, sophisticated platform.

Argonath in SA:MP originates from around 2007, San Andreas was released in 2004. It was only 3 years old! Now we're looking at an 11 year old game which is miles behind modern equivalents. Even GTA v is 5 years old, but if FiveM is looking like a credible project with less sync issues and better support than IV:MP then it's a no-brainer to all involved to push towards the more modern game.

I don't know a single person under 20 in my country attracted to newly introducing themselves to San Andreas as would've been the case in 2007. Sure, like VC based platforms we can keep them running as legacy, but in order for Argonath to remain relevant and viable I'd personally like to see a push to FiveM.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Miki. on July 07, 2018, 08:54:49 pm
Pretty sure you're one of them.
So in a post you say that we should stop accusing eachother and stop creating topics and then you falsely accuse me of even playing SA:MP, well bad news for, I am busy studying and travelling until I settle down in the end of July in another country and then come back in September to settle in another country again. But if we talking accusations, how about we stop killing new players for fun and claim that LSRP is better than Argonath and rage quit to there when admins tell us to stop deathmatching. Making new players flee away is also not beneficial for the server. ;). Hypocrisy is also another problem that we need to fix within this community.
And one more thing, I didn't tell people to IG, I said if the heads fix themselves and actually do something for the community players will come, so kindly go back and reread slowly what I wrote and drop your AoD-Sforza "hatred" elsewhere this is outside of character, look at the comments instead of looking at who are writing them, maybe you could understand a thing or two about the problems we're having.
Of course It doesnt If you sit on your ass in the forums and complain about shit, while you could do something about it and that something is so easy, I bet you couldnt come up with it.
Start then, what are you waiting for. I will login and stay IG for some time if I see you IG for 6 hours in one day without afking. That if I don't get banned for revealing all the intel and information in my resignation topic. :lol:

1.) You wanna compare the activity/time spent in server recently ? 2.)Why would I give a flying fuck about some Aod-sforza thing  :lol:
I simply posted that question because I havent seen you ingame, assuming you'd be spending time somewhere else, in other servers.

That's the thing here logging in isn't reflecting loyalty or commitment to the server, or the amount of will to help and advance.
Some people aren't logging in because of reason and on the same page refuse to log in to the competitor's side or log in like once a month to visit friends from the community but they don't actually spend time here.

Assumptions is exactly what leads to rumors and bullshitting about people that's why shit thrown should be taken with facts or avoided to be heard we've learned it from the past already.



Administration never had nothing to do with server's condition so keep wasting time on useless moves, you can end it all with one simple move really ain't that hard to do and it will firstly bring the people who put effort from there they will raise the server for you but oh well I guess we'll have a few more months of inactivity hopefully not to the grave and try to not carry same bullshit into FiveM or else you can drain it down the toilet right now.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Julio. on July 07, 2018, 09:00:20 pm
I'm fairly positive the majority of the bullshit won't follow into FiveM from the players who actually log in to the server. We can all think why  :balance:
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Miki. on July 07, 2018, 09:03:38 pm
I'm fairly positive the majority of the bullshit won't follow into FiveM from the players who actually log in to the server. We can all think why  :balance:

Who said the bullshit and problem has something to do with the players though, considering that the problems and bs will most likely move to fiveM.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Younes on July 07, 2018, 09:04:21 pm
Let's be honest on this. No one cares anymore. No one really gives a flying crap about what the server had became or what it's going to be. As long as we are just going to blame each other and just pretend that "WE" must fix it or "THEY" must fix it, then the server could be declared to it's own grave from now. I'm not going to lie. I used to have hope until today. I personally no longer believe that the server's situation will change, especially since almost two months have passed and no one really gives a crap about it.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Dean$ on July 07, 2018, 09:05:10 pm
I'm fairly positive the majority of the bullshit won't follow into FiveM from the players who actually log in to the server. We can all think why  :balance:

Who said the bullshit and problem has something to do with the players though, considering that the problems and bs will most likely move to fiveM.

yeah lmao open your damn eyes for once
i doubt everyone should have their eyes opened forcefully you can activate that thingy in your brains and look around
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Miki. on July 07, 2018, 09:06:01 pm
Let's be honest on this. No one cares anymore. No one really gives a flying crap about what the server had became or what it's going to be. As long as we are just going to blame each other and just pretend that "WE" must fix it or "THEY" must fix it, then the server could be declared to it's own grave from now. I'm not going to lie. I used to have hope until today. I personally no longer believe that the server's situation will change, especially since almost two months have passed and no one really gives a crap about it.

Plenty give a crap, just not the ones who should and not the ones who can do something with their will.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Younes on July 07, 2018, 09:08:56 pm
Let's be honest on this. No one cares anymore. No one really gives a flying crap about what the server had became or what it's going to be. As long as we are just going to blame each other and just pretend that "WE" must fix it or "THEY" must fix it, then the server could be declared to it's own grave from now. I'm not going to lie. I used to have hope until today. I personally no longer believe that the server's situation will change, especially since almost two months have passed and no one really gives a crap about it.

Plenty give a crap, just not the ones who should and not the ones who can do something with their will.

Giving a crap is not just writing endless posts in the forum. If I and you and the rest of the community members really gave a crap, we would be in game now roleplaying. It is true that no one likes to play alone or with barely 5 players in the server, especially when there are plenty of other servers you can play on.. but it's also true that If I and you and everyone else decided to play in game, it would work out. Though this all needs the upper hand to start swinging the rescue rope to rescue the server.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Miki. on July 07, 2018, 09:26:41 pm

Let's be honest on this. No one cares anymore. No one really gives a flying crap about what the server had became or what it's going to be. As long as we are just going to blame each other and just pretend that "WE" must fix it or "THEY" must fix it, then the server could be declared to it's own grave from now. I'm not going to lie. I used to have hope until today. I personally no longer believe that the server's situation will change, especially since almost two months have passed and no one really gives a crap about it.


Plenty give a crap, just not the ones who should and not the ones who can do something with their will.

Why would I play in a place that works against me? I game more then enough to try and always raise standards in this server and this community is something I grew on but the moment it started discriminating some people and it started working in a full chaos from it's core I won't be contributing won't be appearing I won't put my work into something that others will take advantage and destroy in-front of my own eyes, remember my words sooner or later shit always floats and trust me it will float big time and it will carry a massive impact more then current upper playing around did. if some one doesn't give a shit about the community he can fly away as simple as that.

Writing on forums only shows some people do care, I don't log in because of what I stated but I do care and I'm willing to put effort the moment upper view buckles up and actually lets the players do their own thing instead of being power hungry and do what ever the fuck they want because I won't be wasting any more time I put enough work for the past year only to find out for who I did it and now I feel like an idiot.

Giving a crap is not just writing endless posts in the forum. If I and you and the rest of the community members really gave a crap, we would be in game now roleplaying. It is true that no one likes to play alone or with barely 5 players in the server, especially when there are plenty of other servers you can play on.. but it's also true that If I and you and everyone else decided to play in game, it would work out. Though this all needs the upper hand to start swinging the rescue rope to rescue the server.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Bogomil on July 07, 2018, 09:35:57 pm
Younes, you know I respect you, but shitposting on forums for 2 months that no one gives a fuck and in the same time holding admin position without logging in at least once - I think that's not right, mate. You either start giving a fuck or stop posting crap on forums how no one cares about Argonath. And this is addressed to anyone that thinks Argonath is done. I am online now. I'll be online tomorrow - if you still care, join me. If you don't...
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Julio. on July 07, 2018, 09:46:41 pm
I'm fairly positive the majority of the bullshit won't follow into FiveM from the players who actually log in to the server. We can all think why  :balance:

Who said the bullshit and problem has something to do with the players though, considering that the problems and bs will most likely move to fiveM.

Well, by definition anyone who visits the server is a player, so what are you referring to? If you mean members on the forum then that's a forum issue, not SA:MP. If the problems move to FiveM, it's the players. Admin team are players, mods are players, everyone is a player.  :uhm:
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Younes on July 07, 2018, 09:56:33 pm
Younes, you know I respect you, but shitposting on forums for 2 months that no one gives a fuck and in the same time holding admin position without logging in at least once - I think that's not right, mate. You either start giving a fuck or stop posting crap on forums how no one cares about Argonath. And this is addressed to anyone that thinks Argonath is done. I am online now. I'll be online tomorrow - if you still care, join me. If you don't...

I only respond like this because it's the truth. I'm not the asslick type that's going to sit back and praise the HQ and the players while we all know things are fucked up.
If you're not going to play, why would you care about my playtime? I'm not the type of people that play alone in a server when there are plenty of other offers and also my life to take care of.
We have been given endless promises but never seen anything besides hate spreading around the forum and continuous argument between staff and players or staff and developers or the community versus developers in general.

I only respond here because I want things to be fixed and rather return to my normal activity because Argonath is the community I always liked and always kept above everything, and leaving it in this state would just mean I have literally done nothing for it and would mean I personally failed my duties towards the community.

This division does not need asslicking and sitting back and watching. It needs actions. If my posts about how people are just continuously and uselessly arguing in the forum instead of doing things, this refers to both HQ players; Then I'm stopping here. This will be my final post.

As for my response, it's not as an admin; It's as a player. I'am afterall a player of the Argonath RPG SAMP division, and as much as you care about it I also do.

As for my activity, if you're going to continuously argue about it when we literally hit zero players in game or just five who are literally trolling around and no one gives a crap about roleplaying, then you're wrong. I got better things to do than waste time. Neither players or HQ can expect someone to be active when the whole server is inactive because that'd rather be unfair.

Instead of attacking each other, let's take a step forward to improvement or let us just lay down ourselves and move on instead of keeping up the hope.

EDIT:
Oh and for your information I returned from a reported inactivity on the 29th of June. Ever since then I found the server completely dead and unplayable even though I have been so badly waiting for the moment I finish my exams and get to play again.

(https://i.imgur.com/HILqDVP.png)



Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Miki. on July 07, 2018, 10:00:56 pm
I'm fairly positive the majority of the bullshit won't follow into FiveM from the players who actually log in to the server. We can all think why  :balance:

Who said the bullshit and problem has something to do with the players though, considering that the problems and bs will most likely move to fiveM.

Well by that definition yeah the problem is players, players with all the power.

Well, by definition anyone who visits the server is a player, so what are you referring to? If you mean members on the forum then that's a forum issue, not SA:MP. If the problems move to FiveM, it's the players. Admin team are players, mods are players, everyone is a player.  :uhm:
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Reckless on July 07, 2018, 10:04:41 pm
The more time goes on, the more I start to believe that SA:MP is no longer the way forwards.

I don't get much chance to play games these days at all, but the way I see it is that ultimately players are going to play on whatever platform they enjoy the most. They can be tempted away by nifty scripts and being online with 200+ players, but if that's not being offered, then they're 100% going to gravitate to a more modern, sophisticated platform.

Argonath in SA:MP originates from around 2007, San Andreas was released in 2004. It was only 3 years old! Now we're looking at an 11 year old game which is miles behind modern equivalents. Even GTA v is 5 years old, but if FiveM is looking like a credible project with less sync issues and better support than IV:MP then it's a no-brainer to all involved to push towards the more modern game.

I don't know a single person under 20 in my country attracted to newly introducing themselves to San Andreas as would've been the case in 2007. Sure, like VC based platforms we can keep them running as legacy, but in order for Argonath to remain relevant and viable I'd personally like to see a push to FiveM.

GTASA/SA:MP being old is not the reason Argonath's SA:MP server is dead. Try again.

According to SACNR Monitor there over 42,000 people playing on SA:MP servers at this moment. Only two of those 42,000 are on Argonath's server.

(https://i.imgur.com/n5POPwK.png)

And for anyone interested who those two people are:

(https://i.imgur.com/xvDkxIG.png)

Citation: http://monitor.sacnr.com/server-1805118.html
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Julio. on July 07, 2018, 10:06:21 pm
I'm actually referring to the age of the game playing a large part in aiding salt in the community. I'll leave it to your imagination as to why I feel so.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Younes on July 07, 2018, 10:11:35 pm
I'm actually referring to the age of the game playing a large part in aiding salt in the community. I'll leave it to your imagination as to why I feel so.

You're actually right, the SAMP client is dying so badly recently. There are very large servers that are beating in getting players because of what they get to offer and that's why servers such as Argonath's are passing through a hardship..

Argonath has to adapt and compete with those servers, because veterans (speaking about the 2007-2010 guys) would not come back (only a few), and currently getting new players should be the main goal of the server.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Reckless on July 07, 2018, 10:19:34 pm
currently getting new players should be the main goal of the server.

This is what began the downfall.

Focusing on new players ostracised regular and veteran players.

RS5 reset everyone's money to give new players a fair shot.

Having fun is not pressing a button 1000 times to see your worthless virtual money grow.

That "worthless virtual money" was worthful to me and a majority of other regular and veteran player on the server.

When people lose faith in the leadership they opt for other communities. Why should anyone stay loyal to a community that labels their core values as worthless?
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: AK47 on July 07, 2018, 10:27:07 pm
sup with forumbanning khm?

(https://i.imgur.com/XawQLlI.gif)
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Manoni on July 07, 2018, 10:35:02 pm
sup with forumbanning khm?

He decided to handle things in the most immature way possible and started spreading false stories, he couldn't expect any different outcome.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: TedHamilton on July 07, 2018, 10:38:42 pm
I'm actually referring to the age of the game playing a large part in aiding salt in the community. I'll leave it to your imagination as to why I feel so.

You're actually right, the SAMP client is dying so badly recently. There are very large servers that are beating in getting players because of what they get to offer and that's why servers such as Argonath's are passing through a hardship..

Argonath has to adapt and compete with those servers, because veterans (speaking about the 2007-2010 guys) would not come back (only a few), and currently getting new players should be the main goal of the server.

I actually came back this May and I ended up being banned IN-GAME for voicing my opinion on the server's condition ON FORUMS by someone who is trying to teach me how to fix my attitude while he's the one calling people "cunts" and telling them to "fuck off" from the community.

Other people got banned too by the same person for the same reason, and they already started bending knees even though they got unfairly punished by someone who is abusing both his current powers and the lack of surveillance from the community leadership to wander around and do whatever he wants not only with scripts but also with the playerbase. I'm not bending knee, because I am standing up for what is right and I could not be more convinced that I'm not the one who was wrong.

I do not recall someone wandering around with a high rank in Argonath uncontrolled like this since I joined the community in 2008. I do not even recall a member of the HQ clearly showing off muscles and threatening to ban around like a third world country dictator who's about to lose power, even when they could do so and go unnoticed. I reported him with clear evidence through the appropriate means twice, before being banned and after the ban, and I received nothing in return following both reports except for an acknowledgment of the complaint and a promise to get back as soon as possible (This was more than two weeks ago). This is the truth that no one can change, and I dare anyone to prove the opposite as I am ready to debate it properly and with respect. I am also truly willing to help any way I can, but I'm not sure if anyone's willing to receive suggestions.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Miki. on July 07, 2018, 10:39:41 pm
sup with forumbanning khm?

He decided to handle things in the most immature way possible and started spreading false stories, he couldn't expect any different outcome.

Yeah how dare he spread truth, not to mention he didn't spread a thing on forums  :lol:
he is immature, right...
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: AK47 on July 07, 2018, 10:41:06 pm
sup with forumbanning khm?

He decided to handle things in the most immature way possible and started spreading false stories, he couldn't expect any different outcome.

Have you read the convo between them? The only "immature" thing he did was saying retard (https://i.imgur.com/UHY4B3J.png)
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Julio. on July 07, 2018, 10:41:40 pm
I'm actually referring to the age of the game playing a large part in aiding salt in the community. I'll leave it to your imagination as to why I feel so.

You're actually right, the SAMP client is dying so badly recently. There are very large servers that are beating in getting players because of what they get to offer and that's why servers such as Argonath's are passing through a hardship..

Argonath has to adapt and compete with those servers, because veterans (speaking about the 2007-2010 guys) would not come back (only a few), and currently getting new players should be the main goal of the server.

I actually came back this May and I ended up being banned IN-GAME for voicing my opinion on the server's condition ON FORUMS by someone who is trying to teach me how to fix my attitude while he's the one calling people "cunts" and telling them to "fuck off" from the community.

Other people got banned too by the same person for the same reason, and they already started bending knees even though they got unfairly punished by someone who is abusing both his current powers and the lack of surveillance from the community leadership to wander around and do whatever he wants not only with scripts but also with the playerbase. I'm not bending knee, because I am standing up for what is right and I could not be more convinced that I'm not the one who was wrong.

I do not recall someone wandering around with a high rank in Argonath uncontrolled like this since I joined the community in 2008. I do not even recall a member of the HQ clearly showing off muscles and threatening to ban around like a third world country dictator who's about to lose power, even when they could do so and go unnoticed. I reported him with clear evidence through the appropriate means twice, before being banned and after the ban, and I received nothing in return following both reports except for an acknowledgment of the complaint and a promise to get back as soon as possible (This was more than two weeks ago). This is the truth that no one can change, and I dare anyone to prove the opposite as I am ready to debate it properly and with respect. I am also truly willing to help any way I can, but I'm not sure if anyone's willing to receive suggestions.

Who was this?

I've always maintained this is never acceptable, it seems to have become the norm since the days of Teddy though...
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: TedHamilton on July 07, 2018, 10:44:00 pm
I'm actually referring to the age of the game playing a large part in aiding salt in the community. I'll leave it to your imagination as to why I feel so.

You're actually right, the SAMP client is dying so badly recently. There are very large servers that are beating in getting players because of what they get to offer and that's why servers such as Argonath's are passing through a hardship..

Argonath has to adapt and compete with those servers, because veterans (speaking about the 2007-2010 guys) would not come back (only a few), and currently getting new players should be the main goal of the server.

I actually came back this May and I ended up being banned IN-GAME for voicing my opinion on the server's condition ON FORUMS by someone who is trying to teach me how to fix my attitude while he's the one calling people "cunts" and telling them to "fuck off" from the community.

Other people got banned too by the same person for the same reason, and they already started bending knees even though they got unfairly punished by someone who is abusing both his current powers and the lack of surveillance from the community leadership to wander around and do whatever he wants not only with scripts but also with the playerbase. I'm not bending knee, because I am standing up for what is right and I could not be more convinced that I'm not the one who was wrong.

I do not recall someone wandering around with a high rank in Argonath uncontrolled like this since I joined the community in 2008. I do not even recall a member of the HQ clearly showing off muscles and threatening to ban around like a third world country dictator who's about to lose power, even when they could do so and go unnoticed. I reported him with clear evidence through the appropriate means twice, before being banned and after the ban, and I received nothing in return following both reports except for an acknowledgment of the complaint and a promise to get back as soon as possible (This was more than two weeks ago). This is the truth that no one can change, and I dare anyone to prove the opposite as I am ready to debate it properly and with respect. I am also truly willing to help any way I can, but I'm not sure if anyone's willing to receive suggestions.

Who was this?

I've always maintained this is never acceptable, it seems to have become the norm since the days of Teddy though...

Marcel
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Manoni on July 07, 2018, 10:47:07 pm
Yeah how dare he spread truth, not to mention he didn't spread a thing on forums  :lol:
he is immature, right...

Truth or handling a few ss to make him look like the victim, right. And I never said he did through forums, the ban was a move from leadership in order to prevent him from doing it.

Have you read the convo between them? The only "immature" thing he did was saying retard (https://i.imgur.com/UHY4B3J.png)

I'm not talking about the conversation itself, but his actions.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Miki. on July 07, 2018, 10:48:32 pm
Yeah how dare he spread truth, not to mention he didn't spread a thing on forums  :lol:
he is immature, right...

Truth or handling a few ss to make him look like the victim, right. And I never said he did through forums, the ban was a move from leadership in order to prevent him from doing it.



A few SS?  :lol: alright I guess keep this stand look where it got the community.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Reckless on July 07, 2018, 10:49:35 pm
sup with forumbanning khm?

(https://i.imgur.com/XawQLlI.gif)

As I have watched silently over the last decade, Khm will have to learn the hard way just as everyone, including me, formerly in a leadership position learned:

It's just your turn.

Over the years I've seen the same pattern repeat.

A person rises through the ranks all the way to the top, eliminates the competition, and then, gets banned as well. Rinse and repeat.

To anyone currently in a leadership position:

It's just your turn.

It's almost as if there is a 'red pill' a person takes once they reach the top and unplug from the Matrix, that's when the higher-ups step in and make them disappear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Miki. on July 07, 2018, 10:58:12 pm
Yeah how dare he spread truth, not to mention he didn't spread a thing on forums  :lol:
he is immature, right...

Truth or handling a few ss to make him look like the victim, right. And I never said he did through forums, the ban was a move from leadership in order to prevent him from doing it.



not to mention evidence he brought cannot be faked or twisted and the ban is a simple prove leadership is intimidated and has stuff to hide but I'm sure the next staff reform will be entirely neutral  :lol:
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Carbon on July 07, 2018, 11:09:25 pm
Yeah how dare he spread truth, not to mention he didn't spread a thing on forums  :lol:
he is immature, right...

Truth or handling a few ss to make him look like the victim, right. And I never said he did through forums, the ban was a move from leadership in order to prevent him from doing it.



not to mention evidence he brought cannot be faked or twisted and the ban is a simple prove leadership is intimidated and has stuff to hide but I'm sure the next staff reform will be entirely neutral  :lol:

Are you coming to say i have something to hide? No i dont, we just need to avoid bullshit and people who think they are above someone while acting disrespectful. We have to look in the mirror and start from yourself if you want to fix something. Yes, there is a blame on everyone (players, staff, HQ and including myself) and i never told im innocent and atleast i admit it (As i see all the other guys who are arguing here are role models). I figured out how to make the division way better and i started to reform the staff team. I hope everyone understand its a game and gaming is for fun. We have to be friendly with eachother and stop spreading shit. About past year ive seen the friendship in the community doenst cost anything and there is no trust inside the staff team and also between the players. We are the  community and we have to play here as friends, not as enemies - like where the hell comes the hate between the groups? x_mafia1 logs in and x_mafia2 runs to just DM with the other player without any proper roleplaying. So thats the point where we reached now. People are playing for "fun DM" and money. Ill let you know about the latest updates as soon we reach them.

If anyone have something against me or misunderstood something wrong then just let me know. Lets stop talking about someones back.

*Re-writting server rules
*Staff re-form
*5.3 Update
*Changing drug prices what makes more sense.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: stormeus on July 07, 2018, 11:37:34 pm
Argonath in SA:MP originates from around 2007, San Andreas was released in 2004. It was only 3 years old! Now we're looking at an 11 year old game which is miles behind modern equivalents.

Vice City and VC:MP are even older though, and the VC:MP server is currently more active than SA:MP's even when SA:MP has a larger playerbase overall, so this doesn't seem to explain much.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Ivan_Dzeba on July 07, 2018, 11:43:17 pm
I am very devastated to see what Argonath SAMP, is coming to. I have been gone for a while, and I surely don't understand 95% of the current situation, but my conclusion from reading this thread and it's replies, is that we, the players, and the staff, need to cooperate, motivate not just new players, but ourselves also, stop hating, stop complaining, constantly suggest new ideas, debate, give them a try, and most importantly, never to give up. This server, can not, and should not die, this fast. Such a sudden death, for a server with a rich and shiny history, it's just unacceptable.

Let's do it, together, for the veterans and new players, for the staff, for everyone. Let's postpone the funeral, Argonath must shine more.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Legolas on July 07, 2018, 11:43:45 pm
*Re-writting server rules
*Staff re-form
*5.3 Update
*Changing drug prices what makes more sense.


Can you vote inside team this option?
* 1 car/house/business property on each Player? 
* guaranted payday everyday at  20.00 
* removed drug script 
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Richard. on July 07, 2018, 11:46:29 pm
*Re-writting server rules
*Staff re-form
*5.3 Update
*Changing drug prices what makes more sense.


Can you vote inside team this option?
* 1 car/house/business property on each Player?
I'm sure stripping old players off their vehicles and properties will fix the current issue, please add that!
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Legolas on July 07, 2018, 11:49:26 pm
*Re-writting server rules
*Staff re-form
*5.3 Update
*Changing drug prices what makes more sense.


Can you vote inside team this option?
* 1 car/house/business property on each Player?
I'm sure stripping old players off their vehicles and properties will fix the current issue, please add that!

If you focus more on RP instead of gathering stuff that you dont need it anyway is pointles. Rat race... you know what that means?
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Richard. on July 07, 2018, 11:51:26 pm
*Re-writting server rules
*Staff re-form
*5.3 Update
*Changing drug prices what makes more sense.


Can you vote inside team this option?
* 1 car/house/business property on each Player?
I'm sure stripping old players off their vehicles and properties will fix the current issue, please add that!

If you focus more on RP instead of gathering stuff that you dont need it anyway is pointles. Rat race... you know what that means?
Agreed, I dont think these scripts are necessary at all, we'd live happy with a /me command only. Rat Race? Sorry, what do you mean?
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: TedHamilton on July 07, 2018, 11:55:08 pm
*Re-writting server rules
*Staff re-form
*5.3 Update
*Changing drug prices what makes more sense.


Can you vote inside team this option?
* 1 car/house/business property on each Player? 
* guaranted payday everyday at  20.00 
* removed drug script

I don't think that real life mafia rolls on one 1987 Mercedes with its head driving, three members inside and all the rest on top. I also don't think that they would all live in one studio or even one mansion. You may be right concerning businesses though.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: stormeus on July 08, 2018, 12:04:02 am
If you focus more on RP instead of gathering stuff that you dont need it anyway is pointles. Rat race... you know what that means?

But by this logic, removing virtually all the scripts would be a viable option for encouraging roleplay, which isn't true. The plain fact is that most players won't play without a structured gamemode and some goal to work toward, even if that goal is just to acquire more wealth to show off.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: beLTa on July 08, 2018, 12:14:40 am
sup with forumbanning khm?

He decided to handle things in the most immature way possible and started spreading false stories, he couldn't expect any different outcome.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. Here another comes saving his ass behind others :dance:
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Legolas on July 08, 2018, 12:21:32 am
If you focus more on RP instead of gathering stuff that you dont need it anyway is pointles. Rat race... you know what that means?

But by this logic, removing virtually all the scripts would be a viable option for encouraging roleplay, which isn't true. CThe plain fact is that most players won't play without a structured gamemode and some goal to work toward, even if that goal is just to acquire more wealth to show off.

Its up to you... HQ and administration voting. Carbon ask for idea, so here it is. As far i remember, that model worked in past. Now is just a theory that will not.
 
I am wondering, since i see  here VC:MP representative... how much scripts VC:MP have, if you compare it to SA:MP?

Edit:
VC older game than SA. What keep players still  active ?
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: William Carter on July 08, 2018, 12:48:34 am
VC older game than SA. What keep players still  active ?
the most active server in VCMP in general is just one dm server and one argonath's rp server that have around 30 players other servers are low to 5 6 players max
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: stormeus on July 08, 2018, 12:57:27 am
I am wondering, since i see  here VC:MP representative... how much scripts VC:MP have, if you compare it to SA:MP?

Just over 32,000 lines' worth, but we have the luxury of being able to use a scripting language that isn't Pawn so there's probably a lot less overhead. Looking at the wiki I'd say there's a bit less complexity than RS4, but if we could have a firefighting script and ATMs they'd probably be about on par I think.

VC older game than SA. What keep players still  active ?

If I had to hazard a guess for Argonath's VC:MP server, we have a small but loyal community that's easier to manage, but if I recall correctly we also had a few SA:MP players join around the launch of RS5 checking out the server, which probably gave us a small boost. I mostly work on developing the VC:MP client itself rather than scripting the server so Kessu or Klaus would probably be able to offer more insight.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Thom on July 08, 2018, 03:19:20 am
Don't even bother pointing fingers, if you wanted the server up again, it would already be.

It's simple as I said: Do something about the problem or do not stick your nose to complain,post crap and blame.


edit:
It's okay for the server to not be in its prime as long as we can find some common free time to return to play again. SA:MP is decaying afterall. Instead of the server consuming your thoughts and spreading out fighting, it should be a place where we can spend some time we can having fun. Most old players don't have the unlimited free time of teenage years, new people ain't joining sa:mp, period.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Matt Murdock on July 08, 2018, 05:44:11 am
*Re-writting server rules
*Staff re-form
*5.3 Update
*Changing drug prices what makes more sense.


Can you vote inside team this option?
* 1 car/house/business property on each Player? 
* guaranted payday everyday at  20.00 
* removed drug script

I don't think that real life mafia rolls on one 1987 Mercedes with its head driving, three members inside and all the rest on top. I also don't think that they would all live in one studio or even one mansion. You may be right concerning businesses though.
:lol: :app:

*Re-writting server rules
*Staff re-form
*5.3 Update
*Changing drug prices what makes more sense.


Can you vote inside team this option?
* 1 car/house/business property on each Player? 
* guaranted payday everyday at  20.00 
* removed drug script 
Why not just freeze all assets and remove weapons for a month as a test.  :gand:

Everything then must go through roleplay, only the strong ones survive. Weaker ones align themselves with proper roleplayers and get to learn.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Manoni on July 08, 2018, 06:42:46 am
Can you vote inside team this option?
* 1 car/house/business property on each Player? 
* guaranted payday everyday at  20.00 
* removed drug script

We have spoken alot but to be honest, I do not really think this is a good idea, nor a solution.

1.- What we could do is to set a certain limit to the properties/businesses an actual player can own and add a sort of ownership system for groups, limiting that aswell of course, but only for properties, I do not see a reason why we should limit vehicles but we do need a certain tax system or maybe an insurance system.

2.- The payday it is a good option but do not base it all on a certain hour but in the time you have spent actively playing/working in game, there is no point in just having idle people waiting for paychecks, make them interact, make them use the scripted jobs.

3.- No. Even tho I see alot of people having drug farming as priority this is the foundation of most the criminal groups in order to obtain an income and even profits (excluding their legal businesses).
The idea of a removal of the drugs script would give us the same issue we are having right now. The drug nerf was done to balance the economy in general but it only caused an unbalance in the criminal economy, which pretty much ends up in the same problem. Was it good the way it was? Of course not. Reverting it is actually a solution? Not really, but it is the best alternative to start again. By calculating the prices according to the amount of players and the drugs they produce, we could set a certain range of price in order to make it profitable but without being too op.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Andeey on July 08, 2018, 07:53:42 am
Sorry but i have to say this, If you can't hear the truth or get offended easily then i suggest you do not read the following enclosed message.


The server issue is not scripts, It isn't bad ruling(Rules could do with some clarification/renewing though), To some extent it is Lack of roleplay..

The fucking issue in this server at this current time is the amount of spoilt little fuckwits running around the server, Main ones being certain leaders of Criminal groups running their mouths to all new faces in the community spreading lies and turning people against other people.

Alot of the posts in all of these shitposting topics is done by two people individually Khm and KyleSforza, They will act like almighty gods with no flaws but the blatant disrespect they had shown when in the staff team was appalling, Once they would receive a disciplinary action against them they would run their mouths to their group and then it would spread from there, Now this may not seem serious at all to those who haven't been around but.. Players who get told lies by trusted people in this community believe everything to the full extent of the lie.

Another form of this hatred certain people spread around the community, Main one being "andeey is with Gvardia he hates every other group"
A certain report came in about Deathmatch on the SA:MP server, An admin handled the situation, A player starts a rumour that i told them and ordered them to leave Gvardia alone when i wasn't even ingame. I then get insulted and flamed by a fucking 12 year old kid and his group for siding with their "enemies"

Another problem is, DEVELOPERS AREN'T FUCKING SUPERHUMAN GODLIKE BEINGS.
To anyone active, Take a look at the past, Jeremy, Djole in particular. Any post about something being developed would get a trollish remark made or a "joke" made about it, like just fuck off cunt. If you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything.

People need to stop typing and defending themselves on these topics but rather do something about the issues, If you have an issue with the ruling of the server for example, You could write a word document with all the current rules and add changes, Add explanations to the rulings and send it in to a HQ member, Get it reviewed and actually make a change.

If you think the scripts are bad and need improving how about you write up a descriptive suggestion to the development team on the forums rather than bitch about scripts being broken or scripts not being added.

If you can't play with others because of personal issues how about you grab a mirror, Look deeply into it and realise what a fucking loser you are. Or Look into that mirror and realise that you're playing a game and that grudges that prevent you from even looking at someones name without grinding your teeth is absolutely pathetic and that you should grow up. 

Another note: If HQ treated this SA:MP community like regular humans instead of chidlren there would be a 3 page unban section, So you're lucky they go easy on most of you and give you a fair chance.

These are my honest opinions from being a manager, Nothing personally against anyone mentioned, It's just a game afterall. Add me on discord if you want to chat about anything. #stoptheshitpostingandgetingameandmakeadifference
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Marcel on July 08, 2018, 07:57:10 am
I'm actually referring to the age of the game playing a large part in aiding salt in the community. I'll leave it to your imagination as to why I feel so.

You're actually right, the SAMP client is dying so badly recently. There are very large servers that are beating in getting players because of what they get to offer and that's why servers such as Argonath's are passing through a hardship..

Argonath has to adapt and compete with those servers, because veterans (speaking about the 2007-2010 guys) would not come back (only a few), and currently getting new players should be the main goal of the server.

I actually came back this May and I ended up being banned IN-GAME for voicing my opinion on the server's condition ON FORUMS by someone who is trying to teach me how to fix my attitude while he's the one calling people "cunts" and telling them to "fuck off" from the community.

Other people got banned too by the same person for the same reason, and they already started bending knees even though they got unfairly punished by someone who is abusing both his current powers and the lack of surveillance from the community leadership to wander around and do whatever he wants not only with scripts but also with the playerbase. I'm not bending knee, because I am standing up for what is right and I could not be more convinced that I'm not the one who was wrong.

I do not recall someone wandering around with a high rank in Argonath uncontrolled like this since I joined the community in 2008. I do not even recall a member of the HQ clearly showing off muscles and threatening to ban around like a third world country dictator who's about to lose power, even when they could do so and go unnoticed. I reported him with clear evidence through the appropriate means twice, before being banned and after the ban, and I received nothing in return following both reports except for an acknowledgment of the complaint and a promise to get back as soon as possible (This was more than two weeks ago). This is the truth that no one can change, and I dare anyone to prove the opposite as I am ready to debate it properly and with respect. I am also truly willing to help any way I can, but I'm not sure if anyone's willing to receive suggestions.
Cry me a river.

I did exactly what I said I was going to do. Now you come back and start more shit over your perceived injustice? Proves only how valid your ban is.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Ellz121 on July 08, 2018, 08:04:47 am
Sorry but i have to say this, If you can't hear the truth or get offended easily then i suggest you do not read the following enclosed message.


The server issue is not scripts, It isn't bad ruling(Rules could do with some clarification/renewing though), To some extent it is Lack of roleplay..

The fucking issue in this server at this current time is the amount of spoilt little fuckwits running around the server, Main ones being certain leaders of Criminal groups running their mouths to all new faces in the community spreading lies and turning people against other people.

Alot of the posts in all of these shitposting topics is done by two people individually Khm and KyleSforza, They will act like almighty gods with no flaws but the blatant disrespect they had shown when in the staff team was appalling, Once they would receive a disciplinary action against them they would run their mouths to their group and then it would spread from there, Now this may not seem serious at all to those who haven't been around but.. Players who get told lies by trusted people in this community believe everything to the full extent of the lie.

Another form of this hatred certain people spread around the community, Main one being "andeey is with Gvardia he hates every other group"
A certain report came in about Deathmatch on the SA:MP server, An admin handled the situation, A player starts a rumour that i told them and ordered them to leave Gvardia alone when i wasn't even ingame. I then get insulted and flamed by a fucking 12 year old kid and his group for siding with their "enemies"

Another problem is, DEVELOPERS AREN'T FUCKING SUPERHUMAN GODLIKE BEINGS.
To anyone active, Take a look at the past, Jeremy, Djole in particular. Any post about something being developed would get a trollish remark made or a "joke" made about it, like just fuck off cunt. If you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything.

People need to stop typing and defending themselves on these topics but rather do something about the issues, If you have an issue with the ruling of the server for example, You could write a word document with all the current rules and add changes, Add explanations to the rulings and send it in to a HQ member, Get it reviewed and actually make a change.

If you think the scripts are bad and need improving how about you write up a descriptive suggestion to the development team on the forums rather than bitch about scripts being broken or scripts not being added.

If you can't play with others because of personal issues how about you grab a mirror, Look deeply into it and realise what a fucking loser you are. Or Look into that mirror and realise that you're playing a game and that grudges that prevent you from even looking at someones name without grinding your teeth is absolutely pathetic and that you should grow up. 

Another note: If HQ treated this SA:MP community like regular humans instead of chidlren there would be a 3 page unban section, So you're lucky they go easy on most of you and give you a fair chance.

These are my honest opinions from being a manager, Nothing personally against anyone mentioned, It's just a game afterall. Add me on discord if you want to chat about anything. #stoptheshitpostingandgetingameandmakeadifference

When someone speaks the cold hard truth, best be readin. ^
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Kessu on July 08, 2018, 08:39:44 am
VC older game than SA. What keep players still  active ?
Players know what the server is supposed to be and they can also trust the development team to not commit script changes that have not been tested and/or discussed properly with the management.

Also me and Klaus are responsible for any idea that gets accepted/denied with input taken from all scripters and several admins who are involved with the development of the server, so people can play with ease of mind knowing we work for their best interest instead of our own.

After all, there is no server without players.



Essentially people (both players and management) want a stable playing ground. When that is established properly then things should roll forward almost on it's own.

Me and Klaus have had over a decade to establish this foundation for the server and atleast the people who play VC:MP regularly appreciate this fact.
They also appreciate the fact that administration's main job is to prevent the server's atmosphere from being fucked with, so if someone's intention is to clearly provoke/upset another, he/she will be removed immediately and he can explain his shit over a lengthy unban request process.

All of those facts give to the enjoyment of the regulars, which in return makes regulars also want more new players to join so they help them even if admins are not around, instead of trying to rob them and killing them to "show off" or whatever.



For the SA:MP issue that I have not taken part in discussing at all;

The fault is not only in the management, administration, development team or what have you, but it is also not solely in the players.

It takes two for tango, everyone's to be blamed for the server's current status. This problem is also not going to go away without major changes in how things work in and outside of the server. I've removed god awful amount of toxic people from these forums over the past 2 years where I've applied far stricter forum moderation after group board mods kept constantly asking if higher ups could intervene to get the toxicity out of the forums. ALL of these players played mainly SA:MP and refused to follow any sort of warnings based on me not being a SA:MP admin  :hah:

That's the core problem that the server has. How can it be enjoyable for new players, admin, or even some regulars if there's constant toxicity and outright hatred towards other people's ethnicity. This is where players are at fault.

Question is; why was this not handled by server's administration since I personally know for a fact it was not any different ingame? This is where administration came up short, with the fear of consequences from said toxic players. This should never be the case... NEVER.



I won't say anything about how the scripts work or anything since I don't play there and I don't know the scripts.

What I will however say, is that if one of my scripters called pakistan the greatest shithole to have ever existed, you're damn fucking right I would ban him/her from the forums and kick him/her straight out of the job he/she volunteered for. (Yes Marcel, this is for you, I'll be watching).

Administration, developers, leaders. We're all expected certain level of professionalism and if you break that professionalism you give the players the example what you want them to follow. Why should players act within the rules if the server's administrators and above do not? Rules apply to everyone. EVERYONE.



That's all I have for now.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Bogomil on July 08, 2018, 08:40:19 am
Sorry but i have to say this, If you can't hear the truth or get offended easily then i suggest you do not read the following enclosed message.

you are my idol man, after gordon ramsay of course.

And Younes stop blaming the environment, if you're bored from the server don't try to fix it with topics and forum complaints, that annoys the people who actually put effort in fixing it. We understood server is empty, we acknowledge that many people went to Mudoo and many left forever. HQ did some mistakes, so did Gandalf, so did I, so did you. However the real power is when you realize your mistakes and try to fix them. You are SAPD chief, many people never reached that high. You are supposed to be one of the captains of Argonath, don't let the ship sink.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Bogomil on July 08, 2018, 08:46:58 am
And I don't want to be understood wrong. It's not only Younes. Most of the staff team doesn't care at all. Few people log in nowadays. Who is supposed to keep it alive if it's not you? If you want to help - stop talking and start doing.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Ellz121 on July 08, 2018, 08:59:07 am
Sorry but i have to say this, If you can't hear the truth or get offended easily then i suggest you do not read the following enclosed message.

you are my idol man, after gordon ramsay of course.


Gordon Goat.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Younes on July 08, 2018, 09:48:49 am
Sorry but i have to say this, If you can't hear the truth or get offended easily then i suggest you do not read the following enclosed message.


The server issue is not scripts, It isn't bad ruling(Rules could do with some clarification/renewing though), To some extent it is Lack of roleplay..

The fucking issue in this server at this current time is the amount of spoilt little fuckwits running around the server, Main ones being certain leaders of Criminal groups running their mouths to all new faces in the community spreading lies and turning people against other people.

Alot of the posts in all of these shitposting topics is done by two people individually Khm and KyleSforza, They will act like almighty gods with no flaws but the blatant disrespect they had shown when in the staff team was appalling, Once they would receive a disciplinary action against them they would run their mouths to their group and then it would spread from there, Now this may not seem serious at all to those who haven't been around but.. Players who get told lies by trusted people in this community believe everything to the full extent of the lie.

Another form of this hatred certain people spread around the community, Main one being "andeey is with Gvardia he hates every other group"
A certain report came in about Deathmatch on the SA:MP server, An admin handled the situation, A player starts a rumour that i told them and ordered them to leave Gvardia alone when i wasn't even ingame. I then get insulted and flamed by a fucking 12 year old kid and his group for siding with their "enemies"

Another problem is, DEVELOPERS AREN'T FUCKING SUPERHUMAN GODLIKE BEINGS.
To anyone active, Take a look at the past, Jeremy, Djole in particular. Any post about something being developed would get a trollish remark made or a "joke" made about it, like just fuck off cunt. If you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything.

People need to stop typing and defending themselves on these topics but rather do something about the issues, If you have an issue with the ruling of the server for example, You could write a word document with all the current rules and add changes, Add explanations to the rulings and send it in to a HQ member, Get it reviewed and actually make a change.

If you think the scripts are bad and need improving how about you write up a descriptive suggestion to the development team on the forums rather than bitch about scripts being broken or scripts not being added.

If you can't play with others because of personal issues how about you grab a mirror, Look deeply into it and realise what a fucking loser you are. Or Look into that mirror and realise that you're playing a game and that grudges that prevent you from even looking at someones name without grinding your teeth is absolutely pathetic and that you should grow up. 

Another note: If HQ treated this SA:MP community like regular humans instead of chidlren there would be a 3 page unban section, So you're lucky they go easy on most of you and give you a fair chance.

These are my honest opinions from being a manager, Nothing personally against anyone mentioned, It's just a game afterall. Add me on discord if you want to chat about anything. #stoptheshitpostingandgetingameandmakeadifference

Totally agree with most of what you said except some points  which I still do not agree on (the ones about Khm and Kyle) because: 1. I don't know what really happened. 2. From what I've been shown it's rather rushed and recklessly taken.

Sorry but i have to say this, If you can't hear the truth or get offended easily then i suggest you do not read the following enclosed message.

you are my idol man, after gordon ramsay of course.

And Younes stop blaming the environment, if you're bored from the server don't try to fix it with topics and forum complaints, that annoys the people who actually put effort in fixing it. We understood server is empty, we acknowledge that many people went to Mudoo and many left forever. HQ did some mistakes, so did Gandalf, so did I, so did you. However the real power is when you realize your mistakes and try to fix them. You are SAPD chief, many people never reached that high. You are supposed to be one of the captains of Argonath, don't let the ship sink.

I really am sorry if I seemed to be so negative in my posts. I really never wanted to post anything until I saw things going downways. I only wanted to have the people's hearts moved so they start working and know that if they don't things would be getting more worse. I do play in another server now and it's not Mudoo of course, and the fun I get there can't even be compared to a minute in Argonath even though it hits 100+ players with dozens of nice scripts.. I'm no gonna lie, I just wish we never had this downfall sometimes.. and what bothers me even more is how it lasted more than two months without something being done..

I'm looking forward for the changes especially in the rules, since I've always been saying it's outdated and not clear and need to be updated according to the server's gameplay and the scripts. Looking forward to seeing ya'll in the game and destroy your fields with my Hydra  :lol:
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Miki. on July 08, 2018, 11:38:01 am



Are you coming to say i have something to hide? No i dont, we just need to avoid bullshit and people who think they are above someone while acting disrespectful. We have to look in the mirror and start from yourself if you want to fix something. Yes, there is a blame on everyone (players, staff, HQ and including myself) and i never told im innocent and atleast i admit it (As i see all the other guys who are arguing here are role models). I figured out how to make the division way better and i started to reform the staff team. I hope everyone understand its a game and gaming is for fun. We have to be friendly with eachother and stop spreading shit. About past year ive seen the friendship in the community doenst cost anything and there is no trust inside the staff team and also between the players. We are the  community and we have to play here as friends, not as enemies - like where the hell comes the hate between the groups? x_mafia1 logs in and x_mafia2 runs to just DM with the other player without any proper roleplaying. So thats the point where we reached now. People are playing for "fun DM" and money. Ill let you know about the latest updates as soon we reach them.

If anyone have something against me or misunderstood something wrong then just let me know. Lets stop talking about someones back.

*Re-writting server rules
*Staff re-form
*5.3 Update
*Changing drug prices what makes more sense.




"We just need to avoid people who are disrespectful and think they are above others" "we have to put a mirror and start from ourselfs"

Alright so you're saying Khm was disrespectful and considering him self above others he was banned the moment he threw an immature "retard" comment towards you he didn't reveal anything yet  and as well you claim you have nothing to hide so the banning reason was this disrespectful retard comment he threw towards you. but lets for a second collect the following comments you threw towards him the constant immature insults you sent him that finally triggered him to respond with an insult " this will be a mirror for yourself there are too many to count.


Not to mention Khm was demoted for "making other players leave the community" funny how irresponsible the whole demotion was so you're hearing a story from a few of your close friends together with a few staff that hold personal hate towards Khm and you don't even bother to address the person all the accusations are thrown at and you demote him instantly, the moment he comes to you and asks you for a damn reason or the names of the people he forced to leave you respond with the most pathetic way of avoiding an answer " you're just too stupid to understand I don't own any one explanations I can do what ever I want" ( "we just need to avoid people who think they are above others") not to mention these exact rumor one is simply immature and has personal issues with Khm and the second one just rushed into conclusions and after I cleared shit and stood up with evidence instead of Khm that was mature enough to ignore all the rumors HE WENT and apologized to Khm  and the immature one took his stuff back as well so after all this demotion reason is invalid and poorly handled.

Yeah  true issues came out with Khm often but that's because you let your friends freely address your PM any time they get frustrated and cry you rivers over rivers in PM you know what happens when friends address Khm with their personal issues? he sends us to fuck off he tells us there is no reason we'll specifically address him since there are plenty of staff around and we shouldn't expect special treatment from him.

Marcel is a cool guy and all but giving a scripter power to ban people? isn't this a bit absurd I'd even say give him an administrator rank rather then letting this loop hole exist not to mention he banned people for disrespectful language while he himself talks this way very often I doubt he'll ban him self for this.

Andeey of course appeared here to shit on Khm and Kyle why I'm not surprised? the guy constantly shoves the put a mirror in front of yourself so do it Andeey. I won't go over any damn time you Favorited your friends but when people bring you a full video with evidence you blame them for witchhunting and threaten to close their group, when your fellas are DMing Kyle ends up losing helper for not taking your shit silently and then of course when your friends are about to get crushed you stop the scene for no valid reason, when you decide you friends have lack of properties you always manage to bring them some fresh ones out of the tax stock. And another absurd issue I investigated my self the issue of a damn RP server stealing all our IPs every single IP any one of you reading if you ever logged into SAMP your IP was stolen by another server which I won't reveal here but I'll gladly reveal in my PM together with the two main HQ members that decided that it's a waste of time to investigate since they don't give a sh*t about you the players in which server would IP stealing go like this? why wasn't it investigated and handled since clearly the staff who forwarded the IPs is still a staff your own community players got their privacy breached and the only reason this was dismissed because this precious server was related to your friends ain't that right? and the other HQ members is very known for his love for these friends.

Andeey andeey andeey, It's quite ironic when you're talking about disrespectful attitude when you're the most disrespectful guy in the staff team . Every staff member was always cautious when banning one of your friends as the consequences are very known, angry kangaroo storming in to remove his friend's punishment and incase that administrator is protected, you delay the "talk" about the punishment until the staff member forgets it and claim it was a wrong decision taken just to remove your friend's punishment (hint: Waka's case). Another one when Antonio Gvardia casually stopped his helicopter and shot down someone else without any roleplay approach with anyone, he got warned and you came in like a wrecking ball insulting and calling your staff cunts and sandblacks and remove his punishment aswell when there was a full video of him deathmatching, not biased at all. When someone else who isnt your friend reports (Jovanca's case) he'd be told that you talk with the punishing admin to sort things out, the poor guy didn't hear shit from you after talking with the staff member and you didn't even want to pull logs to check things and left him unanswered till now. :lol:
When bogomil got banned for constantly being disrespectful to Waka, Mazen and administration as a whole, you came in crying and insulting the shitout of Khm on HQ seniors chat on the staff server writing about 2 damn full discord pages with insults because "Khm making people leave, Khm making veterans leave" when in reality he was the source of cancer at that time making the players frustrated from his cocky attitude which is when server leaders had to step in and put you back in your place. You can find his unban request here to see how "invalid" his ban (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=123357.0) as Andeey claims :lol: and oh yeah, he's also Bogomil's friend which explains why.
And the jokes of all when Jeremy got banned, the guy got banned for leading a dm scene as he TOLD and led 15 players to shoot everyone on sight while admins where on an active duty right in the middle and shot the admins buuuuut Andeey of course would come crying again insulting and he is like always trying to excuse Jeremy's actions and accusing khm of making "veterans" leave and then on the unban request, he says that khm should have banned everyone http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=122226.msg1914543#msg1914543, if that actually happened khm would have been banned from the server aswell :lol:
And the funniest of them all when khm was in an auction for the EQ PnS when khm bid and his net went down for 2-3weeks, what Andeey says?
"Andeey - 07/07/2017
alright, here is the decision from HQ, "you have 24 hours to come ingame and purchase the property, if you fail to do so in that timeframe you will be minused $4,550,000 and the property will be left unowned"
Brian had to intervene in this one aswell to put him in his place as he wanted khm to lose everything I had aswell (not that I care about virtual digits.)


@Grimbeorn  You have nothing to hide? can I please get a permission to go public here with the evidence? I'll clear them to not have any personal agendas or insults pure evidence in them as well as what I wrote here isn't offensive and nothing but facts and my own experiences so I see no reason for this to be removed if we have free speech in this community.

I've been playing since 2011 never been banned barely been punished I'm punishment clean since 2013 yet my first ban is coming for letting the community members see the truth the information the big god leaders hide behind the scenes and I don't mind most of the community members here were friends to me and people I actually care about so I tell you guys now I'm prob banned already but please consider your staying I did all of this just for you guys not to waste time.

As well as for Khm worked on a new mayor system (together with Brian)/ re written rules / and constant mapping as his friend I couldn't get 5 mins to play with him as he was so busy with manager duty and all these extras from community members while other HQ members played fortnite or simply didn't appear IG.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Matt Murdock on July 08, 2018, 12:06:26 pm
Sorry but i have to say this, If you can't hear the truth or get offended easily then i suggest you do not read the following enclosed message.


The server issue is not scripts, It isn't bad ruling(Rules could do with some clarification/renewing though), To some extent it is Lack of roleplay..

The fucking issue in this server at this current time is the amount of spoilt little fuckwits running around the server, Main ones being certain leaders of Criminal groups running their mouths to all new faces in the community spreading lies and turning people against other people.

Alot of the posts in all of these shitposting topics is done by two people individually Khm and KyleSforza, They will act like almighty gods with no flaws but the blatant disrespect they had shown when in the staff team was appalling, Once they would receive a disciplinary action against them they would run their mouths to their group and then it would spread from there, Now this may not seem serious at all to those who haven't been around but.. Players who get told lies by trusted people in this community believe everything to the full extent of the lie.

Another form of this hatred certain people spread around the community, Main one being "andeey is with Gvardia he hates every other group"
A certain report came in about Deathmatch on the SA:MP server, An admin handled the situation, A player starts a rumour that i told them and ordered them to leave Gvardia alone when i wasn't even ingame. I then get insulted and flamed by a fucking 12 year old kid and his group for siding with their "enemies"

Another problem is, DEVELOPERS AREN'T FUCKING SUPERHUMAN GODLIKE BEINGS.
To anyone active, Take a look at the past, Jeremy, Djole in particular. Any post about something being developed would get a trollish remark made or a "joke" made about it, like just fuck off cunt. If you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything.

People need to stop typing and defending themselves on these topics but rather do something about the issues, If you have an issue with the ruling of the server for example, You could write a word document with all the current rules and add changes, Add explanations to the rulings and send it in to a HQ member, Get it reviewed and actually make a change.

If you think the scripts are bad and need improving how about you write up a descriptive suggestion to the development team on the forums rather than bitch about scripts being broken or scripts not being added.

If you can't play with others because of personal issues how about you grab a mirror, Look deeply into it and realise what a fucking loser you are. Or Look into that mirror and realise that you're playing a game and that grudges that prevent you from even looking at someones name without grinding your teeth is absolutely pathetic and that you should grow up. 

Another note: If HQ treated this SA:MP community like regular humans instead of chidlren there would be a 3 page unban section, So you're lucky they go easy on most of you and give you a fair chance.

These are my honest opinions from being a manager, Nothing personally against anyone mentioned, It's just a game afterall. Add me on discord if you want to chat about anything. #stoptheshitpostingandgetingameandmakeadifference
:app: Bravo, we need more of this. Let's blame others for own failure.

The whole community knows why the ship sank, its the hatred that we all garnered towards each other.

But lets test out your theory, just because I respect everyone's opinion, even if I have to prove them wrong.

Warning : Do not read the response below if you get triggered easy. Do give it a read if you enjoy bitter truth with some entertainment. 

So, according to you, Khm and Kyle (yes, I'll refer to self in third person because it looks cool) carry more influence on the community than the staff, server leaders and owners themselves? Let's do a small test, look at your last few posts and count the number of "fucks" you gave in those posts and then look at mine. Another test, Kyle and Khm have been active since 2017(after returning), Kyle held helper rank thrice, he did not carry any ambitions to move higher due to the hatred he witnessed during his time as a mod. So why all of a sudden, Khm and Kyle decided to enrage the community NOW in 2018, when they could do it long ago back in '17 itself? If I remember correctly I (Kyle) , still lead the same groups, still owned same assets, still had similar views about you. Then why did it come to this now? Shouldn't you be ashamed, that the two people you mention hold more prestige in the community that the community is so highly influenced by them rather than you, a long time manager?

Lets look at another theory. Andeey returns to server - Population dies (happened both in '17 and '18)
Andeey goes inactive - Server population is witnessed breaking all kinds of records.

Another thing, you are mad because a 12 years old kid raged at you? lol You were 12 once. This is where you fail mate, never discriminate against someone based on their age, gender, nationality or the group they belong to. That is why a majority of this community does not take you seriously. You rage more than anyone else.

#RoleplayingMoreInaDayThanYouDoInaYear

Want to know what your problem is Andeey? You get butthurt too easy.

and oh, I was in-game 10 mins ago. Did not see you there, so came here to mention that.

In regards to the topic. We need to acknowledge the hatred as one of the problems, as witnessed in Andeey's post. If we do not acknowledge it, we will never solve it.

Do feel free to hit me up on discord whoever else seems to have an issue with me.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Andeey on July 08, 2018, 12:18:38 pm
Sorry but i have to say this, If you can't hear the truth or get offended easily then i suggest you do not read the following enclosed message.


The server issue is not scripts, It isn't bad ruling(Rules could do with some clarification/renewing though), To some extent it is Lack of roleplay..

The fucking issue in this server at this current time is the amount of spoilt little fuckwits running around the server, Main ones being certain leaders of Criminal groups running their mouths to all new faces in the community spreading lies and turning people against other people.

Alot of the posts in all of these shitposting topics is done by two people individually Khm and KyleSforza, They will act like almighty gods with no flaws but the blatant disrespect they had shown when in the staff team was appalling, Once they would receive a disciplinary action against them they would run their mouths to their group and then it would spread from there, Now this may not seem serious at all to those who haven't been around but.. Players who get told lies by trusted people in this community believe everything to the full extent of the lie.

Another form of this hatred certain people spread around the community, Main one being "andeey is with Gvardia he hates every other group"
A certain report came in about Deathmatch on the SA:MP server, An admin handled the situation, A player starts a rumour that i told them and ordered them to leave Gvardia alone when i wasn't even ingame. I then get insulted and flamed by a fucking 12 year old kid and his group for siding with their "enemies"

Another problem is, DEVELOPERS AREN'T FUCKING SUPERHUMAN GODLIKE BEINGS.
To anyone active, Take a look at the past, Jeremy, Djole in particular. Any post about something being developed would get a trollish remark made or a "joke" made about it, like just fuck off cunt. If you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything.

People need to stop typing and defending themselves on these topics but rather do something about the issues, If you have an issue with the ruling of the server for example, You could write a word document with all the current rules and add changes, Add explanations to the rulings and send it in to a HQ member, Get it reviewed and actually make a change.

If you think the scripts are bad and need improving how about you write up a descriptive suggestion to the development team on the forums rather than bitch about scripts being broken or scripts not being added.

If you can't play with others because of personal issues how about you grab a mirror, Look deeply into it and realise what a fucking loser you are. Or Look into that mirror and realise that you're playing a game and that grudges that prevent you from even looking at someones name without grinding your teeth is absolutely pathetic and that you should grow up. 

Another note: If HQ treated this SA:MP community like regular humans instead of chidlren there would be a 3 page unban section, So you're lucky they go easy on most of you and give you a fair chance.

These are my honest opinions from being a manager, Nothing personally against anyone mentioned, It's just a game afterall. Add me on discord if you want to chat about anything. #stoptheshitpostingandgetingameandmakeadifference
:app: Bravo, we need more of this. Let's blame others for own failure.

The whole community knows why the ship sank, its the hatred that we all garnered towards each other.

But lets test out your theory, just because I respect everyone's opinion, even if I have to prove them wrong.

Warning : Do not read the response below if you get triggered easy. Do give it a read if you enjoy bitter truth with some entertainment. 

So, according to you, Khm and Kyle (yes, I'll refer to self in third person because it looks cool) carry more influence on the community than the staff, server leaders and owners themselves? Let's do a small test, look at your last few posts and count the number of "fucks" you gave in those posts and then look at mine. Another test, Kyle and Khm have been active since 2017, Kyle held helper rank thrice, he did not carry any ambitions to move higher due to the hatred he witnessed during his time as a mod. So why all of a sudden, Khm and Kyle decided to enrage the community NOW in 2018, when they could do it long ago back in '17 itself? If I remember correctly I (Kyle) , still lead the same groups, still owned same assets, still had similar views about you. Then why did it come to this now? Shouldn't you be ashamed, that the two people you mention hold more prestige in the community that the community is so highly influenced by them rather than you, a long time manager?

Lets look at another theory. Andeey returns to server - Population dies (happened both in '17 and '18)
Andeey goes inactive - Server population is witnessed breaking all kinds of records.

Another thing, you are mad because a 12 years old kid raged at you? lol You were 12 once. This is where you fail mate, never discriminate against someone based on their age, gender, nationality or the group they belong to. That is why a majority of this community does not take you seriously. You rage more than anyone else.

#RoleplayingMoreInaDayThanYouDoInaYear

Want to know what your problem is Andeey? You get butthurt too easy.

and oh, I was in-game 10 mins ago. Did not see you there, so came here to mention that.

In regards to the topic. We need to acknowledge the hatred as one of the problems, as witnessed in Andeey's post. If we do not acknowledge it, we will never solve it.

Do feel free to hit me up on discord whoever else seems to have an issue with me.
This is purely hilarious, If you can't see how much of a child you're being than you're not worth my time. You didn't Choose to not be a moderator you were fired for being biased. then fired for having attitude issues when you insulted the entire staff team and hq team and demanded we "do our fucking jobs" " roleplay more before handling your tickets"

If you weren't sucking the butthole of the division leader and his butt buddy of a manager you would have been banned 15 times over for being provocative and childish.

#imdone
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Matt Murdock on July 08, 2018, 12:33:14 pm
Sorry but i have to say this, If you can't hear the truth or get offended easily then i suggest you do not read the following enclosed message.


The server issue is not scripts, It isn't bad ruling(Rules could do with some clarification/renewing though), To some extent it is Lack of roleplay..

The fucking issue in this server at this current time is the amount of spoilt little fuckwits running around the server, Main ones being certain leaders of Criminal groups running their mouths to all new faces in the community spreading lies and turning people against other people.

Alot of the posts in all of these shitposting topics is done by two people individually Khm and KyleSforza, They will act like almighty gods with no flaws but the blatant disrespect they had shown when in the staff team was appalling, Once they would receive a disciplinary action against them they would run their mouths to their group and then it would spread from there, Now this may not seem serious at all to those who haven't been around but.. Players who get told lies by trusted people in this community believe everything to the full extent of the lie.

Another form of this hatred certain people spread around the community, Main one being "andeey is with Gvardia he hates every other group"
A certain report came in about Deathmatch on the SA:MP server, An admin handled the situation, A player starts a rumour that i told them and ordered them to leave Gvardia alone when i wasn't even ingame. I then get insulted and flamed by a fucking 12 year old kid and his group for siding with their "enemies"

Another problem is, DEVELOPERS AREN'T FUCKING SUPERHUMAN GODLIKE BEINGS.
To anyone active, Take a look at the past, Jeremy, Djole in particular. Any post about something being developed would get a trollish remark made or a "joke" made about it, like just fuck off cunt. If you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything.

People need to stop typing and defending themselves on these topics but rather do something about the issues, If you have an issue with the ruling of the server for example, You could write a word document with all the current rules and add changes, Add explanations to the rulings and send it in to a HQ member, Get it reviewed and actually make a change.

If you think the scripts are bad and need improving how about you write up a descriptive suggestion to the development team on the forums rather than bitch about scripts being broken or scripts not being added.

If you can't play with others because of personal issues how about you grab a mirror, Look deeply into it and realise what a fucking loser you are. Or Look into that mirror and realise that you're playing a game and that grudges that prevent you from even looking at someones name without grinding your teeth is absolutely pathetic and that you should grow up. 

Another note: If HQ treated this SA:MP community like regular humans instead of chidlren there would be a 3 page unban section, So you're lucky they go easy on most of you and give you a fair chance.

These are my honest opinions from being a manager, Nothing personally against anyone mentioned, It's just a game afterall. Add me on discord if you want to chat about anything. #stoptheshitpostingandgetingameandmakeadifference
:app: Bravo, we need more of this. Let's blame others for own failure.

The whole community knows why the ship sank, its the hatred that we all garnered towards each other.

But lets test out your theory, just because I respect everyone's opinion, even if I have to prove them wrong.

Warning : Do not read the response below if you get triggered easy. Do give it a read if you enjoy bitter truth with some entertainment. 

So, according to you, Khm and Kyle (yes, I'll refer to self in third person because it looks cool) carry more influence on the community than the staff, server leaders and owners themselves? Let's do a small test, look at your last few posts and count the number of "fucks" you gave in those posts and then look at mine. Another test, Kyle and Khm have been active since 2017, Kyle held helper rank thrice, he did not carry any ambitions to move higher due to the hatred he witnessed during his time as a mod. So why all of a sudden, Khm and Kyle decided to enrage the community NOW in 2018, when they could do it long ago back in '17 itself? If I remember correctly I (Kyle) , still lead the same groups, still owned same assets, still had similar views about you. Then why did it come to this now? Shouldn't you be ashamed, that the two people you mention hold more prestige in the community that the community is so highly influenced by them rather than you, a long time manager?

Lets look at another theory. Andeey returns to server - Population dies (happened both in '17 and '18)
Andeey goes inactive - Server population is witnessed breaking all kinds of records.

Another thing, you are mad because a 12 years old kid raged at you? lol You were 12 once. This is where you fail mate, never discriminate against someone based on their age, gender, nationality or the group they belong to. That is why a majority of this community does not take you seriously. You rage more than anyone else.

#RoleplayingMoreInaDayThanYouDoInaYear

Want to know what your problem is Andeey? You get butthurt too easy.

and oh, I was in-game 10 mins ago. Did not see you there, so came here to mention that.

In regards to the topic. We need to acknowledge the hatred as one of the problems, as witnessed in Andeey's post. If we do not acknowledge it, we will never solve it.

Do feel free to hit me up on discord whoever else seems to have an issue with me.
This is purely hilarious, If you can't see how much of a child you're being than you're not worth my time. You didn't Choose to not be a moderator you were fired for being biased. then fired for having attitude issues when you insulted the entire staff team and hq team and demanded we "do our fucking jobs" " roleplay more before handling your tickets"

If you weren't sucking the butthole of the division leader and his butt buddy of a manager you would have been banned 15 times over for being provocative and childish.

#imdone

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Want to know what your problem is Andeey? You get butthurt too easy.

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Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Andeey on July 08, 2018, 12:40:33 pm



Are you coming to say i have something to hide? No i dont, we just need to avoid bullshit and people who think they are above someone while acting disrespectful. We have to look in the mirror and start from yourself if you want to fix something. Yes, there is a blame on everyone (players, staff, HQ and including myself) and i never told im innocent and atleast i admit it (As i see all the other guys who are arguing here are role models). I figured out how to make the division way better and i started to reform the staff team. I hope everyone understand its a game and gaming is for fun. We have to be friendly with eachother and stop spreading shit. About past year ive seen the friendship in the community doenst cost anything and there is no trust inside the staff team and also between the players. We are the  community and we have to play here as friends, not as enemies - like where the hell comes the hate between the groups? x_mafia1 logs in and x_mafia2 runs to just DM with the other player without any proper roleplaying. So thats the point where we reached now. People are playing for "fun DM" and money. Ill let you know about the latest updates as soon we reach them.

If anyone have something against me or misunderstood something wrong then just let me know. Lets stop talking about someones back.

*Re-writting server rules
*Staff re-form
*5.3 Update
*Changing drug prices what makes more sense.




"We just need to avoid people who are disrespectful and think they are above others" "we have to put a mirror and start from ourselfs"

Alright so you're saying Khm was disrespectful and considering him self above others he was banned the moment he threw an immature "retard" comment towards you he didn't reveal anything yet  and as well you claim you have nothing to hide so the banning reason was this disrespectful retard comment he threw towards you. but lets for a second collect the following comments you threw towards him the constant immature insults you sent him that finally triggered him to respond with an insult " this will be a mirror for yourself there are too many to count.


Not to mention Khm was demoted for "making other players leave the community" funny how irresponsible the whole demotion was so you're hearing a story from a few of your close friends together with a few staff that hold personal hate towards Khm and you don't even bother to address the person all the accusations are thrown at and you demote him instantly, the moment he comes to you and asks you for a damn reason or the names of the people he forced to leave you respond with the most pathetic way of avoiding an answer " you're just too stupid to understand I don't own any one explanations I can do what ever I want" ( "we just need to avoid people who think they are above others") not to mention these exact rumor one is simply immature and has personal issues with Khm and the second one just rushed into conclusions and after I cleared shit and stood up with evidence instead of Khm that was mature enough to ignore all the rumors HE WENT and apologized to Khm  and the immature one took his stuff back as well so after all this demotion reason is invalid and poorly handled.

Yeah  true issues came out with Khm often but that's because you let your friends freely address your PM any time they get frustrated and cry you rivers over rivers in PM you know what happens when friends address Khm with their personal issues? he sends us to fuck off he tells us there is no reason we'll specifically address him since there are plenty of staff around and we shouldn't expect special treatment from him.

Marcel is a cool guy and all but giving a scripter power to ban people? isn't this a bit absurd I'd even say give him an administrator rank rather then letting this loop hole exist not to mention he banned people for disrespectful language while he himself talks this way very often I doubt he'll ban him self for this.

Andeey of course appeared here to shit on Khm and Kyle why I'm not surprised? the guy constantly shoves the put a mirror in front of yourself so do it Andeey. I won't go over any damn time you Favorited your friends but when people bring you a full video with evidence you blame them for witchhunting and threaten to close their group, when your fellas are DMing Kyle ends up losing helper for not taking your shit silently and then of course when your friends are about to get crushed you stop the scene for no valid reason, when you decide you friends have lack of properties you always manage to bring them some fresh ones out of the tax stock. And another absurd issue I investigated my self the issue of a damn RP server stealing all our IPs every single IP any one of you reading if you ever logged into SAMP your IP was stolen by another server which I won't reveal here but I'll gladly reveal in my PM together with the two main HQ members that decided that it's a waste of time to investigate since they don't give a sh*t about you the players in which server would IP stealing go like this? why wasn't it investigated and handled since clearly the staff who forwarded the IPs is still a staff your own community players got their privacy breached and the only reason this was dismissed because this precious server was related to your friends ain't that right? and the other HQ members is very known for his love for these friends.

Andeey andeey andeey, It's quite ironic when you're talking about disrespectful attitude when you're the most disrespectful guy in the staff team . Every staff member was always cautious when banning one of your friends as the consequences are very known, angry kangaroo storming in to remove his friend's punishment and incase that administrator is protected, you delay the "talk" about the punishment until the staff member forgets it and claim it was a wrong decision taken just to remove your friend's punishment (hint: Waka's case). Another one when Antonio Gvardia casually stopped his helicopter and shot down someone else without any roleplay approach with anyone, he got warned and you came in like a wrecking ball insulting and calling your staff cunts and sandblacks and remove his punishment aswell when there was a full video of him deathmatching, not biased at all. When someone else who isnt your friend reports (Jovanca's case) he'd be told that you talk with the punishing admin to sort things out, the poor guy didn't hear shit from you after talking with the staff member and you didn't even want to pull logs to check things and left him unanswered till now. :lol:
When bogomil got banned for constantly being disrespectful to Waka, Mazen and administration as a whole, you came in crying and insulting the shitout of Khm on HQ seniors chat on the staff server writing about 2 damn full discord pages with insults because "Khm making people leave, Khm making veterans leave" when in reality he was the source of cancer at that time making the players frustrated from his cocky attitude which is when server leaders had to step in and put you back in your place. You can find his unban request here to see how "invalid" his ban (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=123357.0) as Andeey claims :lol: and oh yeah, he's also Bogomil's friend which explains why.
And the jokes of all when Jeremy got banned, the guy got banned for leading a dm scene as he TOLD and led 15 players to shoot everyone on sight while admins where on an active duty right in the middle and shot the admins buuuuut Andeey of course would come crying again insulting and he is like always trying to excuse Jeremy's actions and accusing khm of making "veterans" leave and then on the unban request, he says that khm should have banned everyone http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=122226.msg1914543#msg1914543, if that actually happened khm would have been banned from the server aswell :lol:
And the funniest of them all when khm was in an auction for the EQ PnS when khm bid and his net went down for 2-3weeks, what Andeey says?
"Andeey - 07/07/2017
alright, here is the decision from HQ, "you have 24 hours to come ingame and purchase the property, if you fail to do so in that timeframe you will be minused $4,550,000 and the property will be left unowned"
Brian had to intervene in this one aswell to put him in his place as he wanted khm to lose everything I had aswell (not that I care about virtual digits.)


@Grimbeorn  You have nothing to hide? can I please get a permission to go public here with the evidence? I'll clear them to not have any personal agendas or insults pure evidence in them as well as what I wrote here isn't offensive and nothing but facts and my own experiences so I see no reason for this to be removed if we have free speech in this community.

I've been playing since 2011 never been banned barely been punished I'm punishment clean since 2013 yet my first ban is coming for letting the community members see the truth the information the big god leaders hide behind the scenes and I don't mind most of the community members here were friends to me and people I actually care about so I tell you guys now I'm prob banned already but please consider your staying I did all of this just for you guys not to waste time.

As well as for Khm worked on a new mayor system (together with Brian)/ re written rules / and constant mapping as his friend I couldn't get 5 mins to play with him as he was so busy with manager duty and all these extras from community members while other HQ members played fortnite or simply didn't appear IG.
What the heck is a sandblack.. I'm honestly curious as to where you got any of this false info lmao.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: jesse on July 08, 2018, 12:41:58 pm
sandblacks

New favourite word. <3
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Miki. on July 08, 2018, 12:45:23 pm
What the heck is a sandblack.. I'm honestly curious as to where you got any of this false info lmao.

Keep playing innocent, people aren't blind that's a way to not use offensive words such as ni**a or nig*er if you prefer. I'm avoiding usage of racist words unlike you and I have friends that are actually black so a bit of respect to human beings never hurts any one.


New favourite word. <3
Btw you were spot on with the ghost town Nazism had nothing to do with breaching just a poor attempt of cover, thank you for pointing that out back then.  sad how they tryed to cover all that nazi remarks with the excuse of "oh his account was breached" of course it was.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: jesse on July 08, 2018, 12:49:24 pm
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Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Andeey on July 08, 2018, 12:52:47 pm
*cough* *cough* Totally didn't fake a disconnect to hide the fact that you bid way too much for a PnS..

(https://i.imgur.com/5JGcobk.png) @HomeLess
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Bogomil on July 08, 2018, 12:54:09 pm
I was about to spend 10 hours writing a really long reply for you 2 scumbags, but naah... If you can't understand this is just a game and the families you create are part of the game then this community is not for you.
All that time you spoke about everyone else, but you. What about you, Miki? Plagiarism is right according to you? Both of you were saints? If you want to throw shit then better throw yourself out of the server. If you don't understand the purpose of gaming, at least don't ruin it for others.
:v:
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Miki. on July 08, 2018, 12:54:32 pm
*cough* *cough* Totally didn't fake a disconnect to hide the fact that you bid way too much for a PnS..

(https://i.imgur.com/5JGcobk.png) @HomeLess
There is something called phone and discord operates on it.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Kenji on July 08, 2018, 12:56:55 pm
Yo guys calm down

Love you all <3 hehe
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Ellz121 on July 08, 2018, 12:57:07 pm
/me is very confused.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Miki. on July 08, 2018, 12:58:09 pm
I was about to spend 10 hours writing a really long reply for you 2 scumbags, but naah... If you can't understand this is just a game and the families you create are part of the game then this community is not for you.
All that time you spoke about everyone else, but you. What about you, Miki? Plagiarism is right according to you? Both of you were saints? If you want to throw shit then better throw yourself out of the server. If you don't understand the purpose of gaming, at least don't ruin it for others.
:v:
don't start this low subject again Plagiarism my ass, I used 4 seconds out of AoD video for the sake of promotion of roleplay between two groups and for the sake of our community the fact you took this OOC and decided to take the video down only because you didn't like the beef is your problems, any one right here and right now don't ask me for permission if you want to use my videos for the sake of the community you are free and if I'll have a problem with the content I'll contact you firstly before I'll strike your youtube account.

and then you guys post " I hope this video won't be used by some one for their own profit" oh please this a community here I took 4 seconds that take no editing work and a video I spent more then hour editing was taken down, please bogomil you're going low now just because you saw my evidence are valid and have a point same for andeey the topic moderator who went full insults you're just proving our points please stop it.

Not to mention that's the only thing you can seek out on me and the video was taken down the following actions that were made were not related to me I lost my video and reported it over to higher ranks that's all I did.

I'm punishment clean I don't provoke people don't insult, yet on you I can find millions of provocations towards different people groups and punishments I won't even start.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Miki. on July 08, 2018, 12:58:21 pm
Yo guys calm down

Love you all <3 hehe

<3
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Bogomil on July 08, 2018, 01:01:57 pm
>writes a 300 pages long post how the entire universe is against him
>accuses others for going low
get a life
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Miki. on July 08, 2018, 01:03:11 pm
>writes a 300 pages long post how the entire universe is against him
>accuses others for going low
get a life

I didn't say any one is against me, I brought facts out :)
You are in fact going low, I'm surprised you didn't start provocations yet it's just a matter of time.

The fact you got friends and high ranks due to kissing ass doesn't make you a big shot.
You're claiming your accusations on Khm are all valid yet all the accusations I threw on this 300 page long post were covered with facts I can dig up, what else can I dig out? all your provocations and hate towards Khm the person you mentioned you hate the most on argonath.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Bogomil on July 08, 2018, 01:05:50 pm
Believe it or not, I realized talking to sforzas is waste of time. They understand nothing, don't want to listen to you and throw random shit at people they don't like :D
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Kessu on July 08, 2018, 01:09:02 pm
That's the core problem that the server has. How can it be enjoyable for new players, admin, or even some regulars if there's constant toxicity and outright hatred towards other people's ethnicity. This is where players are at fault.
Point proven.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Miki. on July 08, 2018, 01:10:55 pm
Believe it or not, I realized talking to sforzas is waste of time. They understand nothing, don't want to listen to you and throw random shit at people they don't like :D

I rest my case.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: TedHamilton on July 08, 2018, 01:21:12 pm
I'm actually referring to the age of the game playing a large part in aiding salt in the community. I'll leave it to your imagination as to why I feel so.

You're actually right, the SAMP client is dying so badly recently. There are very large servers that are beating in getting players because of what they get to offer and that's why servers such as Argonath's are passing through a hardship..

Argonath has to adapt and compete with those servers, because veterans (speaking about the 2007-2010 guys) would not come back (only a few), and currently getting new players should be the main goal of the server.

I actually came back this May and I ended up being banned IN-GAME for voicing my opinion on the server's condition ON FORUMS by someone who is trying to teach me how to fix my attitude while he's the one calling people "cunts" and telling them to "fuck off" from the community.

Other people got banned too by the same person for the same reason, and they already started bending knees even though they got unfairly punished by someone who is abusing both his current powers and the lack of surveillance from the community leadership to wander around and do whatever he wants not only with scripts but also with the playerbase. I'm not bending knee, because I am standing up for what is right and I could not be more convinced that I'm not the one who was wrong.

I do not recall someone wandering around with a high rank in Argonath uncontrolled like this since I joined the community in 2008. I do not even recall a member of the HQ clearly showing off muscles and threatening to ban around like a third world country dictator who's about to lose power, even when they could do so and go unnoticed. I reported him with clear evidence through the appropriate means twice, before being banned and after the ban, and I received nothing in return following both reports except for an acknowledgment of the complaint and a promise to get back as soon as possible (This was more than two weeks ago). This is the truth that no one can change, and I dare anyone to prove the opposite as I am ready to debate it properly and with respect. I am also truly willing to help any way I can, but I'm not sure if anyone's willing to receive suggestions.
Cry me a river.

I did exactly what I said I was going to do. Now you come back and start more shit over your perceived injustice? Proves only how valid your ban is.

It is injustice, and the ban is invalid. Even admins and moderators have messaged me denouncing what you did and how you were able to panelban people who had a different opinion than yours on forums. You're one of the reasons Argonath has 0 players now, because even before I was banned, people in-game were scared the shit out of you with some of them standing idle while others left temporarily while you being in-game because they were afraid that they would get kicked or banned for a 'speeding ticket'. You sowed terror in the community with your powerhungry attitude and abuse of powers as a scripter. The fact that you cannot see what you did wrong is already shameful and you're still insisting that you did what you had to do. Maybe you are the one to check his attitude, not me or Bennzy.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Sweeper on July 08, 2018, 01:29:11 pm
 Sforza is the problem, Argonath should get rid of the men in charge of this group.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: William Carter on July 08, 2018, 01:33:25 pm
Sforza is the problem, Argonath should get rid of the men in charge of this group.
No one should get rid of anything. What needs to be changed is have a meeting in game solve the problem together from the start add new rules , no more hate and the problem will be solved just like what kessu said.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Sweeper on July 08, 2018, 01:39:42 pm
Sforza is the problem, Argonath should get rid of the men in charge of this group.
No one should get rid of anything. What needs to be changed is have a meeting in game solve the problem together from the start add new rules , no more hate and the problem will be solved just like what kessu said.

A virtual meeting to solve a deep seated problem between teenagers who have nothing valuable to lose. Keep dreaming son.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: jovanca on July 08, 2018, 01:47:47 pm
cba to read all the bs u guys wrote but i see miki and staff arguing about ikhm. i don't see how ikhm is to be blamed for anything. it's the HQ who shouldn't have promoted an incapable player to a high position. considering he was once moderator and got community (or just server/forum banned) and was banned from joining staff team again, but you decided to ignore that, you had all this coming HQ!
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Legolas on July 08, 2018, 01:54:50 pm
Emotion lvl passed to far. I'm afraid that we will not solve this problem in way we see.  Eather both sides agree for compromise or   you can forget on fun play between all of you.
Title: Re: Substanreltial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Jeremy. on July 08, 2018, 02:11:18 pm
Lol why don't you all quit being so dramatic and stop crying like some children from kindergarten?

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And the jokes of all when Jeremy got banned, the guy got banned for leading a dm scene as he TOLD and led 15 players to shoot everyone on sight while admins where on an active duty right in the middle and shot the admins buuuuut Andeey of course would come crying again insulting and he is like always trying to excuse Jeremy's actions and accusing khm of making "veterans" leave and then on the unban request, he says that khm should have banned everyone http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=122226.msg1914543#msg1914543, if that actually happened khm would have been banned from the server aswell :lol:

You're just mad that one of your bosses got what he deserved, a bit late but thats fine I guess. How is this topic related to me? You're mumbling about irrelevant stuff which have nothing to do with the point of this topic. Stop pointing fingers, take a deep breath. We all know how you've been trying to infiltrate into the staff team just to hunt your enemies asses down. Seems like you got caught, just give up already. People get what they deserve sooner or later anyway. There's something called karma. Now if you don't have anything constructive to say regarding the main issue of this topic, take a run to your corner and continue crying there.

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Another problem is, DEVELOPERS AREN'T FUCKING SUPERHUMAN GODLIKE BEINGS.
To anyone active, Take a look at the past, Jeremy, Djole in particular. Any post about something being developed would get a trollish remark made or a "joke" made about it, like just fuck off cunt. If you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything.

Which "developers" are you talking about? The ones which spend more time in-game as beeing freecops and spamming the public chat telling people about eating their own poop or some other disgusting shit? As far as I remember there was some kind of "possible release" of RS5.3 update somewhere in April. We're in July and all we have is broken stuff. We don't have scripts to encourage people RP as medics, firefighters, taxi drivers, we don't have a proper vehicle script, we can't store anything in houses/vehicles.




My suggestion for @Grimbeorn is:
- RULES: have a deep look into each part/section/word of the current rules and slowly make changes which you and your players want, consult with them, create topics, make pools, hear people's opinions. You don't have to hurry with that, find common things which you and your own players want, no need for 'drastical' changes out of nowhere. Also make the rules public in order to avoid people fighting with eachother and especially with admins or even HQ. If they will be hidden there will be constant fights regarding rules. You clearly need to know all the rules in order to play in a pleasant and quiet way. We're really sick of hearing new rules when an admin is confronting us about 'breaking' them, without even being aware.
- STAFF team: recruit new people and train them properly while/after modifying the rules. Make them go through a trial system for a few weeks and make sure to assign one or more persons from HQ to have a deep look on their doings. Someone which could also help them out while they're in trouble of making decisions (MrTrane for example). You may recruit more staff members once the playerbase is increasing. Pay attention on whoever you decide to accept since they will take care of the server's peace daily and it will depend on them the way people will feel whilst playing. That's why rules are imporant to be made publicly and some sort of stricter, like "In a situation which X player is refusing to roleplay with Y player you should be doing this: 1) 2) 3) 4)" etc. This could be some kind of guideline to admins and instead of letting them handle themselves the issue by their emotions or feelings, it would be way better.
- SCRIPTS: If you read all those posts from this topic you could see that lack of scripts are being a major problem right now. Make a new topic where people could post their suggestions and discuss them. Listening to their voice is very very important. Even if one of their suggestion doesn't fit with expectations of HQ, give it a shot. Try their ideas for a short time, a week, maybe two. If it doesn't go well you just pull it back. You have nothing to lose right now. Your goal is to make them happy and offer them stuff which they could spend their time with it. Implement new jobs which could give opportunities for them to roleplay in different ways, without getting bored. Select developers which could work their asses off, especially in this crucial time to finish whatever they have to. Make sure they finish their tasks on a certain time which you both set it up. You can't just use "I had IRL issues" every single time people hit you right into your face, while we all see you playing SA:MP, GTA V or other games. You always need to try new stuff, attractive, which will make people stay, keep them motivated. Give them a reason to play, give them reasons to interact with eachother rather than talking about shit on the mainchat.
And also don't just sit there and wait for people to suggest things. Most of them are avoiding to make suggestions because they're sick of being refused. We all know how many years we needed to make all blips white and so on. If you want to see people coming up with suggestions, you should start with yourself. You, the HQ, come out with suggestions and post threads where you talk about something new. Some new job or some new vehicle script which you thought about, you will see people adding more stuff to your ideas and you will encourage them to post their own ideas. You also need to have a talk with the old man and his 20 years old vision. The moment when you reach 0 players you got nothing to lose, thats why you need to come with new stuff.

I could write more and I will do it if I see things changing. We all grew up playing Argonath, seeing it sinking like that is not cool.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Miki. on July 08, 2018, 02:16:26 pm
cba to read all the bs u guys wrote but i see miki and staff arguing about ikhm. i don't see how ikhm is to be blamed for anything. it's the HQ who shouldn't have promoted an incapable player to a high position. considering he was once moderator and got community (or just server/forum banned) and was banned from joining staff team again, but you decided to ignore that, you had all this coming HQ!

Overall that's a valid point - his previous ban was removed with in a day and teddy apologized to him but regardless of that instead of demoting with out an actual reason don't let people you think are incapable climb there in the first place and then blame then for your own problems.

@Jeremy.  If you don't understand how it's related to what I wrote I won't bother explaining alright you managed to kill Kyle great for you really, be proud I ain't crying about it people die in the virtual game and respawn roleplay scenes are contained from scene winners and losers everytime I've been on both sides congratulations the point there isn't the fact you led people to slay with out a reason.

my point was that favoritism exists and as long as it exists there won't be fair play and won't be fun, if it was not there I'd be the first one IG now to push players to log in and roleplay the moment you tell me it will stop I'll log in and roleplay right away. till then I'll stay out.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Thom on July 08, 2018, 02:19:50 pm
I guess it's impossible for people to read the main topic, before reading last reply and getting triggered. I stated that this topic is no place for blaming and shit-posting and it has become another cancerous topic. I please ask an administrator, If another post in this topic is ironic or negative and not an idea/suggestions/kind opinion on suggestion to close this topic down. I don't know if I can ask something like that but I created the topic.

You are people start acting like it.
Title: Re: Substantial confrontation of SA:MP's current problem or nothing.
Post by: Pete on July 08, 2018, 02:22:39 pm
Guess what?
Locked. Seem like you all are gonna hate on one another and not give an suggestions on how to fix the server..
If anyone has a good idea post it as a suggestion or as Carbon said PM him, hopefully it will be checked out.
Now to all the keyboard warriors, go in Discord or somewhere else bye-bye.
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