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GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: jovanca on March 12, 2019, 04:20:59 pm

Title: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: jovanca on March 12, 2019, 04:20:59 pm
So as soon as people started pointing out what the real issue is in the thread created by Bogomil, it gets locked. That's why i decided to create a topic myself and hopefully i'll get some feedback from the HQ on this one, because it has been swept under the rug for too long.

Active law enforcement officers on the server do all but rp, and the topic created by Bogomil was set to put the blame for it on the criminal groups or Argonath, while the truth is completely the opposite from what he said. While he called for more rules, and says i do not understand what the problem is, i can prove to you where the real issue lays. It lays in the server rules not being properly enforced on the LE groups, which lead to them thinking they can do what ever the fuck they want. That can be seen every day and in almost every scenario that involves cops. 

So now i'll ask you, how many times have you seen on duty cops get punished for DM? Not too many, their excuses (which were in past unaccaptable by the server administration) somehow slide with the current staff. I have to remind you that deathmatch is deathmatch regardless of the color of one's name or the group he's a part of. Cops shooting players without a reason is deathmatch, EVEN IF the person is suspected.

As for people saying criminal side lacks realism, i never said that's not the case. But the reason they lack is realism because the cops pretty much let them do what ever the fuck they want. The only consequence for commiting a crime is getting deathmatched by the cops afterwards.

I will post a few video that show how cops used to behave before, hoping you may realise that what's been going on in game for the past few months  was never the case and was never acceptable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEgl2opn6ec

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_TScaGlH28

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgDpq3oJjsA&t=2s

Back then, we didn't get tased after we refuse to put the hands up after first warning (which is forcing roleplay. I would suggest you only allow taser against players using melee wepaons).

Third video is just a shootout, but even there you can see the cops shooting drive by at the vehicle full of suspects without trying to blow it up and just straight up kill the suspects, but to try and stop them. When was the last time you saw cops do that? Nowadays you're likely to get blown up even if you did nothing, because cops think you MIGHT be trying to help someone.

When cops start roleplaying wiht the criminals, i am 100 percent sure, criminals will behave in the same manner. That's how it always worked, and that's how it worked because the rules were enforced properly UPON BOTH SIDES.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfsccGBJXhk

As long as cops behave the way they do in the video above, don't expect criminals to do any better. And as long they don't get punished for deathmatching (as it is the case in the video), you (staff) are the ones to blame for the bad conidition of the server.
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: Whiteman on March 12, 2019, 04:35:04 pm
Hahah, what roleplay did you think was supposed to happen in the last video? Before you arrived, we just got you out of the area taking down like 5-6 criminals beforehand. Now a sultan fully armed and wearing masks appear, should we lay down our weapons and let you take us hostages or just stand still and get RPGed? Nigga please. The main issue is the Gvardia/GSF understanding of RP which I've had the pleasure of seeing for months now. Also like how one of your boys say why didn't we snipe them in the CB. I've adressed the problem with Gvardia numberous times during the last month and is this how HQ sees an official group operate. Please elaborate what kind of RP was planned by the criminals in the last situation. The first video is a brawl, self explained that we wouldn't shoot you down if you'd start a brawl. Post moan below.

This is how Gvardia RPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWafQJYuRbA&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: Afyea on March 12, 2019, 04:36:35 pm
As I stated in the previous topic. SAPD should look more on their own faults instead of naming Gvardia 7 times per issue from my point of view - this kind of behavior as in the last video is unacceptable.


Quote from: Whiteman on March 12, 2019, 04:35:04 pm
Hahah, what roleplay did you think was supposed to happen in the last video? Before you arrived, we just got you out of the area taking down like 5-6 criminals beforehand. Now a sultan fully armed and wearing masks appear, should we lay down our weapons and let you take us hostages or just stand still and get RPGed? Nigga please. The main issue is the Gvardia/GSF understanding of RP which I've had the pleasure of seeing for months now. Post moan below.
Jason, I've so far seen you rage more than roleplay, so what you on about?
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: jovanca on March 12, 2019, 04:41:28 pm
you cops suck at shooting, i got no problem killing you every time i log in but that is not the reason why i log in. that's why i always try to rp and you people just blatantly deathmatch.

I'm not sure when you turned into a troll. I remember that you used to moan about getting deathmatched more than anyone else. So i guess you got tired of being a victim and i understand it. Part that sucks for you is that you're still a terrible shooter, you will get fucked regardless of your name color. You will always be a victim.
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: Spike. on March 12, 2019, 04:42:18 pm
Quote from: -Henry- on March 12, 2019, 04:36:35 pm
As I stated in the previous topic. SAPD should look more on their own faults instead of naming Gvardia 7 times per issue from my point of view - this kind of behavior as in the last video is unacceptable.

What should police have done in that situation instead?
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: Afyea on March 12, 2019, 04:45:30 pm
Quote from: Fernando_Tlinga on March 12, 2019, 04:42:18 pm
Quote from: -Henry- on March 12, 2019, 04:36:35 pm
As I stated in the previous topic. SAPD should look more on their own faults instead of naming Gvardia 7 times per issue from my point of view - this kind of behavior as in the last video is unacceptable.

What should police have done in that situation instead?

Inform that the area is in lockdown, that it's dangerous for the men to be there, inform of possible outcome if not leaving. You know the order yourself, you all just chose to not do it.
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: Spike. on March 12, 2019, 04:48:15 pm
Quote from: -Henry- on March 12, 2019, 04:45:30 pm
Inform that the area is in lockdown, that it's dangerous for the men to be there, inform of possible outcome if not leaving. You know the order yourself, you all just chose to not do it.

So police is forced to adhere to the rules (which I'm cool with) but criminals can just show up and open fire? (Which I'm not cool with)
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: jovanca on March 12, 2019, 04:52:32 pm
 use /report. As i said above, we need rules enforced upon everyone properly and equally.
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: Afyea on March 12, 2019, 04:52:59 pm
Quote from: Fernando_Tlinga on March 12, 2019, 04:48:15 pm
Quote from: -Henry- on March 12, 2019, 04:45:30 pm
Inform that the area is in lockdown, that it's dangerous for the men to be there, inform of possible outcome if not leaving. You know the order yourself, you all just chose to not do it.

So police is forced to adhere to the rules (which I'm cool with) but criminals can just show up and open fire? (Which I'm not cool with)

Almost all the time there is staff ig, feel abused? /report.

Now I'll answer ahead before you bring out the ''you're biased'' card.

When I put admin duty on, same as others, we go neutral. Whatever you may think, it is how it is and you can always /report it.
I've been called biased for protecting Mircea :) Makes sense to you? Me neither.
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: Spike. on March 12, 2019, 04:59:08 pm
Quote from: -Henry- on March 12, 2019, 04:52:59 pm
Almost all the time there is staff ig, feel abused? /report.

Now I'll answer ahead before you bring out the ''you're biased'' card.

When I put admin duty on, same as others, we go neutral. Whatever you may think, it is how it is and you can always /report it.
I've been called biased for protecting Mircea :) Makes sense to you? Me neither.

I never said you were biased, the one bias Gvardia moderator that I found was reported to HQ. I'm not going around calling people bias for no reason.

Furthermore, I wasn't on the situation in the video but let's say I was. If we approached them and started talking to them and they shot (don't tell me they wouldn't because they 100% were going to) and I reported them. What would you tell me? I already know, it'd be something regarding how their friends died and they came to help. And that's fine, I don't blame you. That's how the rules are. The root of all the problems themselves are the server rules and the lack of things such as fear RP, powergaming and metagaming.
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: Cyclone on March 12, 2019, 04:59:51 pm
I love how everyone ignores the video that Jason sent, Jeremy eats a 50,000 volt taser into his face and he starts fucking shooting. Not to mention his signature on the forum
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: superh2o on March 12, 2019, 05:04:20 pm
I'm so little on the server you can take this as a opinion of a visitor, last few days whenever i login, i get shoot/rammed/stalked by the police.

1st situation driving around LS, when a PD cruiser rams me at full speed and dudes goes ups you are not suspect.

2nd when near a zone of a suspect as i saw him running and police going on foot after him, then from afar i got shoot at just cuz i was there, the dude who shoot had no idea who I am, as i got no idea who shoot at me.
So no interaction of any kind happened.

3rd while i was parked under SF bridge a 2 man little airplane lands under the bridge to see who is there, with both ranked officers inside, realism much?
When i said on /p nice that you can land a plane in middle of the road and i will get fined for going over 80 or god forbid i knock down a pole.

The kind officer (pilot) replied this retard lucchese.


Both sides need to sit down and write clear interaction guidelines if you wish anything to happen, till then have at it and point fingers at each other.
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: Spike. on March 12, 2019, 05:11:10 pm
Quote from: superh2o on March 12, 2019, 05:04:20 pm
1st situation driving around LS, when a PD cruiser rams me at full speed and dudes goes ups you are not suspect.

Did you report him to his supervisors?

Quote from: superh2o on March 12, 2019, 05:04:20 pm
2nd when near a zone of a suspect as i saw him running and police going on foot after him, then from afar i got shoot at just cuz i was there, the dude who shoot had no idea who I am, as i got no idea who shoot at me.
So no interaction of any kind happened.
If he's running from police he'd be tased, not shot. So that was DM, and since you don't know if it was an officer or a civilian, I don't know what you're trying to imply here.

Quote from: superh2o on March 12, 2019, 05:04:20 pm
3rd while i was parked under SF bridge a 2 man little airplane lands under the bridge to see who is there, with both ranked officers inside, realism much?
When i said on /p nice that you can land a plane in middle of the road and i will get fined for going over 80 or god forbid i knock down a pole.

You clearly haven't played in this server long enough if you think such behaviour is not common place. Take a long hike around Pershing/Idlewood and you should see one or two andromadas around.
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: William Carter on March 12, 2019, 05:17:20 pm
Quote from: -Henry- on March 12, 2019, 04:36:35 pm
Jason, I've so far seen you rage more than roleplay, so what you on about?
What does this have to do with the topic?
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: Stefos on March 12, 2019, 05:20:59 pm
Quote from: Cyclone on March 12, 2019, 04:59:51 pm
I love how everyone ignores the video that Jason sent, Jeremy eats a 50,000 volt taser into his face and he starts fucking shooting.
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: William Carter on March 12, 2019, 05:25:47 pm
Quote from: Whiteman on March 12, 2019, 04:35:04 pm
This is how Gvardia RPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWafQJYuRbA&feature=youtu.be
HAHAHAHA 10/10 RP WALLAHI BEST <3333
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: Spike. on March 12, 2019, 05:27:38 pm
Quote from: jovanca on March 12, 2019, 04:20:59 pm
Back then, we didn't get tased after we refuse to put the hands up after first warning (which is forcing roleplay. I would suggest you only allow taser against players using melee wepaons).

Third video is just a shootout, but even there you can see the cops shooting drive by at the vehicle full of suspects without trying to blow it up and just straight up kill the suspects, but to try and stop them. When was the last time you saw cops do that? Nowadays you're likely to get blown up even if you did nothing, because cops think you MIGHT be trying to help someone.

Back then cops used to shoot people for running away.

Regarding your vehicle getting blown up, cops are only supposed to shoot the tires of evading vehicles (Unless they are getting shot at) and they can only shoot them when the criteria on the regulations are met. I see a lot of crying but I don't see any reports on PD forums.
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: jovanca on March 12, 2019, 05:33:47 pm
Quote from: Cyclone on March 12, 2019, 04:59:51 pm
I love how everyone ignores the video that Jason sent, Jeremy eats a 50,000 volt taser into his face and he starts fucking shooting. Not to mention his signature on the forum

Regardless of what Jeremy did, it just proves the point im trying to make. You people don't rp shit. Jeremy wasn't tased with a proper reason or with proper roleplay.

Whole taser thing is against the rules and the vision of argonath, which does not allow forcing RP and taser is a means for cops to force rp.

Quote from: Fernando_Tlinga on March 12, 2019, 05:27:38 pm
Quote from: jovanca on March 12, 2019, 04:20:59 pm
Back then, we didn't get tased after we refuse to put the hands up after first warning (which is forcing roleplay. I would suggest you only allow taser against players using melee wepaons).

Third video is just a shootout, but even there you can see the cops shooting drive by at the vehicle full of suspects without trying to blow it up and just straight up kill the suspects, but to try and stop them. When was the last time you saw cops do that? Nowadays you're likely to get blown up even if you did nothing, because cops think you MIGHT be trying to help someone.

Back then cops used to shoot people for running away.

Regarding your vehicle getting blown up, cops are only supposed to shoot the tires of evading vehicles (Unless they are getting shot at) and they can only shoot them when the criteria on the regulations are met. I see a lot of crying but I don't see any reports on PD forums.

Nowadays you don't shoot people for running away, you shoot  them to make sure they don't run away. I sure won't bother reporting it to the people who do the same thing. And it's not about my vehicle being blown up but the fact that you people do not roleplay.

Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: Hevar. on March 12, 2019, 05:38:29 pm
Quote from: Whiteman on March 12, 2019, 04:35:04 pm

This is how Gvardia RPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWafQJYuRbA&feature=youtu.be

HAHAHA what hell,,,this niggah gets 50,000 volt and suddenly from no where turns into Chuck Norris and shooting
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: Afyea on March 12, 2019, 05:52:39 pm


Quote from: William Carter on March 12, 2019, 05:17:20 pm
Quote from: -Henry- on March 12, 2019, 04:36:35 pm
Jason, I've so far seen you rage more than roleplay, so what you on about?
What does this have to do with the topic?

Quote from: Whiteman on March 12, 2019, 04:35:04 pm
Nigga please. The main issue is the Gvardia/GSF understanding of RP which I've had the pleasure of seeing for months now.
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: Afyea on March 12, 2019, 05:55:03 pm
Quote from: Whiteman on March 12, 2019, 04:35:04 pm

This is how Gvardia RPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWafQJYuRbA&feature=youtu.be


And can you please elaborate on why he was tased? Did he attack?
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: Clark_Kenton on March 12, 2019, 06:03:22 pm
Quote from: -Henry- on March 12, 2019, 05:55:03 pm
Quote from: Whiteman on March 12, 2019, 04:35:04 pm

This is how Gvardia RPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWafQJYuRbA&feature=youtu.be


And can you please elaborate on why he was tased? Did he attack?
Mean Girls *2004*
Mean Poppos *2019*
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: JackDockz on March 12, 2019, 06:32:35 pm
Well Technically, he was tased 50000V and his nervous system would not function properly for quite some time.
He could have roleplayed it and could've sued sapd for wrong doing if he was doing nothing illegal.

On the other hand, I have seen officers tasing people carrying aks and m4s. As far as I remember, tasers are only meant to be used against melee weapons and this Gvardia man had a gun.
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: Spike. on March 12, 2019, 06:40:34 pm
Quote from: JackDockz on March 12, 2019, 06:32:35 pm
Well Technically, he was tased 50000V and his nervous system would not function properly for quite some time.
He could have roleplayed it and could've sued sapd for wrong doing if he was doing nothing illegal.

On the other hand, I have seen officers tasing people carrying aks and m4s. As far as I remember, tasers are only meant to be used against melee weapons and this Gvardia man had a gun.

The regulations state that you can not tase someone if they are holding a gun.
The server rules state that you can not tase someone if they are actively shooting.

If they don't show it we can tase them. I updated the regulations now so that we have to warn the suspect three time before tasing if he's resisting. Either way, he had no right to shoot in that situation, even if regulations were breached you RP it and then report the officers.
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: Jeremy. on March 12, 2019, 06:59:15 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/Vkzpvok.png)

I've started shooting you because you didn't provide a roleplay reason for tasing me. Just beacuse you see a blip on the map and the certain player has _Gvardia in his name, without you having any clue about his character ICly, you just tase him and force him to "comply" /me grabs Jeremy's hands, forcing them by his  bac." lol is this roleplay? Why I don't have any chance of resist, why didn't you actually tell me to put my hands up, frisk me, you know.. roleplay. You're just showing how cops have the mentality of play2win. I was not suspected, I was not being dangerous to anyone.

It's really funny to see those 'veterans' brainwashing literally everybody just because of their hating for a certain group. You guys deserve to be banned for such cancerous attitude.

(https://i.imgur.com/sEoFLUn.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/HGy88jp.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/HWvkq7J.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/PCvFxhg.png)

I'm literally disgusted.
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: Antonio. on March 12, 2019, 07:06:17 pm
Jeremy summed it up. Any more questions? :lol:
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: Stivi on March 12, 2019, 07:38:36 pm
Lol Whiteman you've rped with Gvardia on every group you've had, fuck outta here.
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: Jeremy. on March 12, 2019, 07:54:36 pm
If you want me to roleplay with you then find your way in by roleplaying. If you're doing poor roleplay and being obvious of trying to 'win' a scene from the beginning then I'm going to treat you the same way.

The whole SAPD is deteriorated, starting from head to toe. [Rstar]Bas is Chief and a SA:MP administrator yet he's not doing anything to get rid of the mold. All I've saw in your discord is "backup Gvardia" while there is not even a single initiative to call eachother for roleplay. You expect people to roleplay as 'Cosa Nostra mafia', but in this kind of circumstances, while people are having their gaming experience destroyed by this kind of players, it will never happen. If you're spreading such negativity as "fucking Gvardia dmers" ; "Gvardia have biased admins" then what a new player will learn from you? He will be completely afraid of approaching us, due to your statements, and will act just like you, which will increase the hating around the server. Before pointing fingers to someone else, take a good damn look into the mirror.

Since you're claiming "non-rpers" , I will leave this chatlog here. Apparently a new player can be a role model for others and not the veterans themselves. Big credits for officer Mounir_Jones for roleplaying with us. He's one of the guys which actually co-operated in a roleplay scenario without jumping like a chimp and shooting, which most of the SAPD officers would do. He actually thought that we're UC police officers and we even gave him some extra cash for letting the roleplay go freely. Since someone claimed "Gvardia is avoiding every single traffic stop", you got proof down here little guy. :) (https://i.imgur.com/NsKX7Pd.png)

[20:21:11] Mounir_Jones(9) says (megaphone): This is the LAW ... PULL OVER to the side of the road!

[20:21:13] {FFFFFF}Jeremy_Gvardia{909090}: (12){FFFFFF} that was close

[20:21:13] Mounir_Jones(9) says (megaphone): This is the LAW ... PULL OVER to the side of the road!

[20:21:16] Mounir_Jones(9) says (megaphone): This is the LAW ... PULL OVER to the side of the road!

[20:21:30] Mounir_Jones(9) says (megaphone): Engine off.

[20:21:32] Henry_Gvardia(25) turns the engine of their Freeway off.

[20:21:38] Henry_Gvardia(25) spits.

[20:21:40] Jeremy_Gvardia(12) turns the engine of their NRG-500 on.

[20:21:42] Jeremy_Gvardia(12) turns the engine of their NRG-500 off.

[20:21:50] Mounir_Jones(9) says (megaphone): Prepare your documents.

[20:21:58] Mounir_Jones(9) rushs for his radio.

[20:22:09] Mounir_Jones(9) says (radio): Reporting TS on P12 in LSPD.

[20:22:09] Henry_Gvardia(25) chuckles.

[20:22:18] Mounir_Jones(9) steps out.

[20:22:19] Jeremy_Gvardia(12) unzips his brown jacket. He reaches for his documents and takes them out.

[20:22:31] Mounir_Jones(9) eyes Jeremy.

[20:22:37] Mounir_Jones(9) says: Can i get your documents?

[20:22:51] Jeremy_Gvardia(12) hands Mounir the documents.

[20:22:58] Mounir_Jones(9) takes them.

[20:23:08] Mounir_Jones(9) looks for the name.

[20:23:15] Mounir_Jones(9) turns on the MDC.

[20:23:54] Mounir_Jones(9) says: You seems like not fined anytime.

[20:24:02] Mounir_Jones(9) says: But you still breaking law rules.

[20:24:04] Jeremy_Gvardia(12) says: That's beacuse I'm a good driver.

[20:24:12] Mounir_Jones(9) says: Anyway, you know why i stopped you?

[20:24:25] Jeremy_Gvardia(12) says: Probably because I did a wheelie and passed you?

[20:24:46] Mounir_Jones(9) says: You were speeding plus driving on the wrong lane.

[20:25:06] Jeremy_Gvardia(12) says: Well you were half in middle of this road so I had to go the other wrong to avoid any accident.

[20:25:32] Jeremy_Gvardia(12) says: About the speeding, it was impossible to have more than 60 km/h.

[20:25:41] Jeremy_Gvardia(12) says: So you're wrong.

[20:25:43] Mounir_Jones(9) says: No, but also you were just driving on one wheel meanwhile the first on in the air.

[20:25:52] Jeremy_Gvardia(12) says: That's correct.

[20:26:03] Mounir_Jones(9) says: Yeah, doing that in the wrong lane.

[20:26:09] Jeremy_Gvardia(12) says: That's correct as well.

[20:26:13] Jeremy_Gvardia(12) says: But I wasn't speeding.

[20:26:20] Mounir_Jones(9) says: Let me know if you have excuses..

[20:26:44] Mounir_Jones(9) says: You don't?

[20:26:48] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: I do.

[20:26:53] Jeremy_Gvardia(12) says: No excuses, officer.

[20:27:17] Mounir_Jones(9) says: Alright, then i am giving you this time a verbal warning.

[20:27:19] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: I'm a qualified driving school's instructor, knowing all the rules.

[20:27:27] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: I have question for you, officer.

[20:27:32] Mounir_Jones(9) eyes Henry.

[20:27:38] Mounir_Jones(9) says: Sure, what it is?

[20:27:42] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: Besides the wheelie.

[20:27:51] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: He drove in the opposite line.

[20:27:58] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: What is the issue with that?

[20:28:14] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: He overtook you, since you drove on 20k/mh approx...

[20:28:18] Mounir_Jones(9) says: He almost did an accident with the incomming cars from that line.

[20:28:20] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: This is a 80 zone.

[20:28:29] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: He had it safe.

[20:28:30] Mounir_Jones(9) says: Yeah, i know this is a 80 zone.

[20:28:46] Mounir_Jones(9) says: How he had it safe and he was driving in the middle of that line.

[20:28:54] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: Listen officer. I'm a nice guy. Don't be shy. If youre broke, I can sponsor some lessons for you.

[20:29:02] Jeremy_Gvardia(12) says: Because there was no guy coming from the opposite way.

[20:29:18] Mounir_Jones(9) turns back to Jeremy.

[20:29:28] Henry_Gvardia(25) hands a visit card to him as he says: Think about it.

[20:29:33] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: For better future.

[20:29:52] Mounir_Jones(9) says: No guy comming fro mthe opposite way doesn't mean that you are allowed to drive on it.

[20:29:55] What is that? (Mounir_Jones(9))

[20:29:59] Visit car? (Mounir_Jones(9))

[20:30:01] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: Yeah, it does mean it.


[20:30:02] Card* (Mounir_Jones(9))


[20:30:15] information about me, driving school, phone number (Henry_Gvardia(25))

[20:30:17] ect (Henry_Gvardia(25))

[20:30:22] Mounir_Jones(9) looks at the card.

[20:30:32] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: If you drive 20 in 80 zone, he can overtake you.

[20:30:38] Mounir_Jones(9) eyes Henry.

[20:30:41] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: Prove me wrong.

[20:31:12] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: You are butthurt over something allowed and ignore the fact that there is BMX dumped on street next to the PD.

[20:31:12] Mounir_Jones(9) says: Yeah, maybe overtaking, driving on the opposite lane just in 20 or 25 percent, not in the middle of it

[20:31:24] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: Are you okay bro?

[20:31:35] Mounir_Jones(9) says: I am okay more better than you.

[20:31:36] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: Take a car and overtake with 20/25 percent opposite lane.

[20:31:50] Mounir_Jones(9) says: Yeah sure.

[20:31:56] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: No problems.

[20:32:01] Henry_Gvardia(25) takes out a notebook.

[20:32:15] Mounir_Jones(9) looks back to Jeremy.

[20:32:27] Mounir_Jones(9) hands the documents of Jeremy to him.

[20:32:29] Henry_Gvardia(25) writes ticket for ''False pullover, 250$ fine, G-PD, signature''

[20:32:32] Henry_Gvardia(25) hands it to him

[20:32:32] Mounir_Jones(9) says: Take your documents.

[20:32:37] Jeremy_Gvardia(12) grabs the items.

[20:32:39] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: Make sure you pay it in time, fella.

[20:32:49] Mounir_Jones(9) looks at the fine.

[20:32:51] Mounir_Jones(9) says: Huh?

[20:32:54] Mounir_Jones(9) says: What is this?

[20:33:01] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: Make sure you pay the fine in time.

[20:33:10] Mounir_Jones(9) says: Any reason for the fine?

[20:33:11] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: For false pullover,not knowing your shi.... stuff.

[20:33:34] Mounir_Jones(9) says: Hmm, false pullover?

[20:33:39] Mounir_Jones(9) says: Can you tell me what's the false?

[20:33:52] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: Yes, he did everything correctly according to the law.

[20:33:58] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: By the way, have you read the law?

[20:34:22] Mounir_Jones(9) says: Of course i did, and how did you know he did everything correctly.

[20:34:28] Mounir_Jones(9) says: You weren't even around it.

[20:34:33] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: Cause I was right behind him.

[20:34:36] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: What you on about?

[20:34:48] Henry_Gvardia(25) pushes the BMX away

[20:34:58] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: Alright buddy, hands behind your back.

[20:35:04] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: We done with these jokes.

[20:35:11] Mounir_Jones(9) pushs the BM to the sidewalk

[20:35:22] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: I don't want to fine you for evading.

[20:35:22] Mounir_Jones(9) says: Look

[20:35:26] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: Please follow the orders.

[20:35:35] Mounir_Jones(9) says: Which orders sir?

[20:35:54] Mounir_Jones(9) says: Oh, reason?

[20:35:57] Mounir_Jones(9) says: And for what?

[20:36:00] ***[6000] Henry_Gvardia(25): Traffic stop near LSPD, C4.

[20:36:14] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: For your failure to do duty.

[20:36:42] Mounir_Jones(9) says: "Failure to do duty" can you tell me exactly ?

[20:36:44] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: Oh.. I must haeve forgotten to introduce myself.

[20:36:54] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: My name is John McKlein.

[20:37:16] Mounir_Jones(9) says: And i am Mounir_Jones, nice to meet you Mr.McKlein.

[20:37:19] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: Under cover supervisor of Argonath's Law Delivery Department,.

[20:37:35] Mounir_Jones(9) says: Can you wait a minute here?

[20:37:38] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: No.

[20:37:41] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: Don't leave.

[20:37:44] Mounir_Jones(9) says: I am still around.

[20:37:48] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: You will be terminated if you abandon the scene

[20:37:52] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: It is evidence.

[20:38:17] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: May I see your badge?

[20:38:24] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: I need the badge number for protocol.

[20:38:48] Henry_Gvardia(25) whistles

[20:38:49] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: Can you?

[20:38:55] What you mean? (Mounir_Jones(9))

[20:39:02] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: Show me the badge.

[20:39:05] Tbh didn't understand (Mounir_Jones(9))

[20:39:06] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: I need to see the number.

[20:39:08] Badge of? (Mounir_Jones(9))

[20:39:17] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: I must file a report for the department of law delivery.

[20:39:20] Mounir_Jones(9) says: Badge of?

[20:39:25] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: Your badge, officer's badge..

[20:39:29] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: The Police department

[20:39:31] Mounir_Jones(9) takes out his badge.

[20:39:39] Mounir_Jones(9) Showing it to Henry.

[20:39:41] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: The institution that is under the Law Delivery department

[20:39:46] Henry_Gvardia(25) looks at it

[20:39:59] Henry_Gvardia(25) nods as he writes down the number on a paper sheet

[20:40:05] Mounir_Jones(9) says: I will be here, just to talk in something.

[20:40:15] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: Excuse me.

[20:40:15] Mounir_Jones(9) says (radio): U17 how copy?

[20:40:25] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: Don't damage the investigation

[20:40:35] Mounir_Jones(9) says: Yes.

[20:40:43] Mounir_Jones(9) says: But what is this all for?

[20:40:47] ***[6000] Henry_Gvardia(25): UC25::Suspect is suspicious! Looking for excuses.

[20:40:53] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: Alright. Sir.

[20:40:57] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: Please move on.

[20:41:03] Viktor_Gvardia(4) rolls down their window.

[20:41:12] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: Your being arrested until investigation for Law Delivery department is done.

[20:41:23] Henry_Gvardia(25) gently drags him to the car

[20:41:30] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: Move on.

[20:41:31] Viktor_Gvardia(4) opens the door, pushes himself out.

[20:41:40] Viktor_Gvardia(4) opens the boot of the Sultan.

[20:41:44] Henry_Gvardia(25) grabs his radio, taking it away

[20:42:01] Henry_Gvardia(25) pushes him harder

[20:42:02] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: Move it.

[20:42:08] Viktor_Gvardia(4) shouts [Russian accent]: Cmon move move move.!!

[20:42:18] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: Wait.

[20:42:22] Viktor_Gvardia(4) eyes Mounir, then switches his views to Henry...

[20:42:23] Mounir_Jones(9) says: Can't i get in a door like all?

[20:42:23] Henry_Gvardia(25) frisks him

[20:42:26] what do i find? (Henry_Gvardia(25))

[20:42:27] Viktor_Gvardia(4) says [Russian accent]: Is he 10-68

[20:42:28] Viktor_Gvardia(4) says [Russian accent]: ?

[20:42:34] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: Positive.

[20:42:37] Viktor_Gvardia(4) closes the boot of the Sultan.

[20:42:42] KJones(1) says: What is happening here ?

[20:42:45] SAPD Guns, Phone, GPS. (Mounir_Jones(9))

[20:42:50] Viktor_Gvardia(4) says [Russian accent]: Let's move, he's clean. 10-48 C7.

[20:42:51] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: We investigating

[20:42:55] KJones(1) says: You ?

[20:42:57] Viktor_Gvardia(4) eyes KJones.

[20:43:00] Jeremy_Gvardia(12) turns the engine of their NRG-500 on.

[20:43:03] KJones(1) says: You investigate officer ?

[20:43:03] Viktor_Gvardia(4) says [Russian accent]: Excuse me.

[20:43:06] KJones(1) says: Yes ?

[20:43:08] Mounir_Jones(9) says: I don't know. i was doing a pullover than this guy suddently comed on me

[20:43:12] Henry_Gvardia(25) insists on entering the car

[20:43:14] Henry_Gvardia(25) locks their Freeway.

[20:43:18] Viktor_Gvardia(4) says [Russian accent]: Keep distance.

[20:43:21] Henry_Gvardia(25) says: Let's go!

[20:43:56] ***[6000] Viktor_Gvardia(4): Ever and Alveron, do you 10-

[20:44:01] ***[6000] Viktor_Gvardia(4): Ever and Alveron, do you 10-4?
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: William Carter on March 12, 2019, 08:19:28 pm
Quote from: -Henry- on March 12, 2019, 05:52:39 pm


Quote from: William Carter on March 12, 2019, 05:17:20 pm
Quote from: -Henry- on March 12, 2019, 04:36:35 pm
Jason, I've so far seen you rage more than roleplay, so what you on about?
What does this have to do with the topic?

Quote from: Whiteman on March 12, 2019, 04:35:04 pm
Nigga please. The main issue is the Gvardia/GSF understanding of RP which I've had the pleasure of seeing for months now.
I see nothing wrong with what he said but facts, what you on about? :rage:
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: William Carter on March 12, 2019, 08:21:20 pm
Quote from: -Henry- on March 12, 2019, 05:55:03 pm
Quote from: Whiteman on March 12, 2019, 04:35:04 pm

This is how Gvardia RPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWafQJYuRbA&feature=youtu.be


And can you please elaborate on why he was tased? Did he attack?
He doesn't have to attack someone to GET TASED, if he's not complying, cops will have to tase him for the record, Jeremy shouldn't behave like that, he should go through the RP and deal with it RPly, file a report about it.
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: Spike. on March 12, 2019, 08:31:10 pm
Quote from: William Carter on March 12, 2019, 08:21:20 pm
he should go through the RP and deal with it RPly, file a report about it.

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Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: William Carter on March 12, 2019, 08:35:20 pm
Quote from: Fernando_Tlinga on March 12, 2019, 08:31:10 pm
Quote from: William Carter on March 12, 2019, 08:21:20 pm
he should go through the RP and deal with it RPly, file a report about it.

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Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: jovanca on March 12, 2019, 08:41:48 pm
Quote from: William Carter on March 12, 2019, 08:19:28 pm
Quote from: -Henry- on March 12, 2019, 05:52:39 pm


Quote from: William Carter on March 12, 2019, 05:17:20 pm
Quote from: -Henry- on March 12, 2019, 04:36:35 pm
Jason, I've so far seen you rage more than roleplay, so what you on about?
What does this have to do with the topic?

Quote from: Whiteman on March 12, 2019, 04:35:04 pm
Nigga please. The main issue is the Gvardia/GSF understanding of RP which I've had the pleasure of seeing for months now.
I see nothing wrong with what he said but facts, what you on about? :rage:

Fact? Not really. He was in GSF before, he was also GSF and Gvardia ally for a while, yet he holds a grudge with all of us because we never really took him seriously. I guess he's trying to get back at us or something, but then again we don't take him seriously, it's just you guys who do.
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: Antonio. on March 12, 2019, 08:55:18 pm
Quote from: William Carter on March 12, 2019, 08:21:20 pm
Quote from: -Henry- on March 12, 2019, 05:55:03 pm
Quote from: Whiteman on March 12, 2019, 04:35:04 pm

This is how Gvardia RPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWafQJYuRbA&feature=youtu.be


And can you please elaborate on why he was tased? Did he attack?
He doesn't have to attack someone to GET TASED, if he's not complying, cops will have to tase him for the record, Jeremy shouldn't behave like that, he should go through the RP and deal with it RPly, file a report about it.
Please tell me how he was not complying before getting tased.
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: Younes on March 12, 2019, 09:07:20 pm
Protocol. He already mentioned the reason.
Failure to roleplay or breaking the rules in general because you "think" someone is breaking the rules is never a good example. As long as both parties keep complaining on what the other party is doing, then neither will admit their fault nor would they work on improving them.
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: Cyclone on March 12, 2019, 09:47:27 pm
ok ill just end the topic like this,


some cops suck at rp
some criminals suck at rp
50/50
now this topic is closed, @Chase @Bas @Andeey
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: !Michael on March 12, 2019, 09:51:29 pm
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Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: Antonio. on March 12, 2019, 09:54:16 pm
Quote from: Younes on March 12, 2019, 09:07:20 pm
Protocol. He already mentioned the reason.
Failure to roleplay or breaking the rules in general because you "think" someone is breaking the rules is never a good example. As long as both parties keep complaining on what the other party is doing, then neither will admit their fault nor would they work on improving them.
You're still having your doubts and find that okay? Read this reply:

http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=125899.msg1962389#msg1962389

You can use yout shitty SAPD rules as much as you want as an excuse, however when it's breaking server rules, it's not going to be accepted.

Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: Younes on March 12, 2019, 10:10:21 pm
Quote from: Antonio. on March 12, 2019, 09:54:16 pm
Quote from: Younes on March 12, 2019, 09:07:20 pm
Protocol. He already mentioned the reason.
Failure to roleplay or breaking the rules in general because you "think" someone is breaking the rules is never a good example. As long as both parties keep complaining on what the other party is doing, then neither will admit their fault nor would they work on improving them.
You're still having your doubts and find that okay? Read this reply:

http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=125899.msg1962389#msg1962389

You can use yout shitty SAPD rules as much as you want as an excuse, however when it's breaking server rules, it's not going to be accepted.

it is still called roleplay and I'm not reading that long reply, sorry I have no time for it.
What I'am saying is that no one wants to lose in Argonath and that's the issue. Everyone keeps blaming the others but themselves... You don't have to win against cops, and they don't necessarily have to shoot you because this is not a warzone I get it.  a cop is not even supposed to aim at you when you approach a weedfield but rather stay alert... but whatever, it's long changes that need to happen to both sides if this is what everyone really wants, and not just asks for...
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: Badandy on March 12, 2019, 10:35:49 pm
If you have issues with SAPD, please contact me on Discord Badandy#2764 or if you have found an SAPD member who has broken the law, file an Internal Affairs report on ARPD Forums.
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: Dante3905 on March 12, 2019, 10:57:22 pm
Quote from: Shultz on March 12, 2019, 10:46:48 pm
Hello brothers, all I gotta say is: Stop spreading hate, spread your girlfriend's legs instead.
yes
but seriously, what's the reason to do a topic? It will just make hate between LEOs and criminals, just send the report towards HQ, they will handle it. About SAPD, rulebreaks can go to a dismissal from the department if deemed needed, just talk with Badandy, he's a good egg, same for FBI, ask any IA member or Mircea.

ez
 :cop:
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: Shorty. on March 12, 2019, 11:30:09 pm
Quote from: Whiteman on March 12, 2019, 04:35:04 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWafQJYuRbA&feature=youtu.be
Jeremy nice skills  :war: :war:
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: Chase on March 12, 2019, 11:39:55 pm
Question for SAPD folks - Do complaints still have to require the old shitty standard that evidence must be "RP gathered" like the courts? If that's still the case then I believe criminal groups have a very strong point regarding who handles complaints. No one can predict when a cop will do something stupid and do the usual "/me turns on hidden dildo camera, bla bla bla.". If complaints are rejected solely based on how the evidence was gathered, and admins keep telling people to report to SAPD, then where does the responsibility fall?
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: Spike. on March 12, 2019, 11:43:07 pm
Quote from: Chase on March 12, 2019, 11:39:55 pm
Question for SAPD folks - Do complaints still have to require the old shitty standard that evidence must be "RP gathered" like the courts? If that's still the case then I believe criminal groups have a very strong point regarding who handles complaints. No one can predict when a cop will do something stupid and do the usual "/me turns on hidden dildo camera, bla bla bla.". If complaints are rejected solely based on how the evidence was gathered, and admins keep telling people to report to SAPD, then where does the responsibility fall?

No that standard of evidence is only required for IC corruption. If he's breaking a police regulation, non--RPed evidence will do.
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: Stivi on March 12, 2019, 11:46:48 pm
Quote from: Whiteman on March 12, 2019, 04:35:04 pm
Hahah, what roleplay did you think was supposed to happen in the last video? Before you arrived, we just got you out of the area taking down like 5-6 criminals beforehand. Now a sultan fully armed and wearing masks appear, should we lay down our weapons and let you take us hostages or just stand still and get RPGed? Nigga please. The main issue is the Gvardia/GSF understanding of RP which I've had the pleasure of seeing for months now. Also like how one of your boys say why didn't we snipe them in the CB. I've adressed the problem with Gvardia numberous times during the last month and is this how HQ sees an official group operate. Please elaborate what kind of RP was planned by the criminals in the last situation. The first video is a brawl, self explained that we wouldn't shoot you down if you'd start a brawl. Post moan below.

This is how Gvardia RPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWafQJYuRbA&feature=youtu.be
Oh, so when criminals arrive at a scene, you shoot them, but when cops arrive at a scene criminals can't shoot? Oh, btw, you had also opened fire on Jeremy while he was on Maverick at that scene, so we could technically, and by abiding the rules, shoot all of you and not give a flying fuck.

[20:26:34] Fernando_Copeland(11) says (radio): I'm sure I saw the same motorbike at the weedfield.
[20:26:35] Chester_Campbell(15) has logged into the server.
[20:26:45] Fernando_Copeland(11) says: Race to the weedfield
[20:26:48] Fernando_Copeland(11) says: You on?
[20:26:53] Stiven_Gvardia(32) says: What weedfield?
[20:27:00] Fernando_Copeland(11) chuckles.
[20:27:02] Fernando_Copeland(11) says: Come, let me show you!
[20:27:11] ***[6000] Stiven_Gvardia(32): Stop this cop when he comes there

I simply stopped behind his bike, that he illegally stopped in the middle of the road to type in /r. Then he stopped again a bit later and said what he said. Now if you're gonna tell me that's RP or legal, that would be stupid. What I said on the CB he didn't see. What we all said on CB, you didn't see. Why don't you go ahead and post the whole video, why cut it? I'll wait a couple of hours for it, I'd like to see the part where you are sniping an unarmed civilian (as far as the police is concerned everyone is innocent until proven guilty) fleeing the scene, or the part where the police shoots a RANDOM PLAYER and the administration did nothing about it. Yes, you were all reported and a log check was supposedly done, can't confirm or deny, no HQ member got back to me on that.

You call that RP, what you did to Jeremy? /me pins him down? Or they way you moan "oh DM" when you literally opened fire on one of us? What, you expect us to watch? Again, your double standards are annoying. Come up with proper arguments, let's discuss it. Anybody else, PM me who from Gvardia isn't RPing to standards of YOUR LIKING, not Argonath's, and I'll handle him and you can witness it. But if you are not RPing either, don't even bother trying. Hevar, you can't.


Quote from: Fernando_Tlinga on March 12, 2019, 05:11:10 pm
Quote from: superh2o on March 12, 2019, 05:04:20 pm
3rd while i was parked under SF bridge a 2 man little airplane lands under the bridge to see who is there, with both ranked officers inside, realism much?
When i said on /p nice that you can land a plane in middle of the road and i will get fined for going over 80 or god forbid i knock down a pole.

You clearly haven't played in this server long enough if you think such behaviour is not common place. Take a long hike around Pershing/Idlewood and you should see one or two andromadas around.
Uhm excuse me you think it's okay to go to EVERY BLIP YOU SEE on the map searching for a suspect? I don't see the cop doing this come out and say I did that, my bad, very un-RP of me. C'mon, you're all ballsy, let's see it.

Jennifer_Etheniel was ramming a car I was a passenger of searching for another _Gvardia member because of their hunt on a _Gvardia suspect, I think Nikolay? and said "too damn gvardias around". What about your communication, team skills and such? Honestly, when we hunt we find the guy within minutes if he isn't on a plane. Why? We listen, all SAPD does is fucking talk, and it's tiring as shit to be on the receiving end of it.


Quote from: Fernando_Tlinga on March 12, 2019, 05:27:38 pm
Regarding your vehicle getting blown up, cops are only supposed to shoot the tires of evading vehicles (Unless they are getting shot at) and they can only shoot them when the criteria on the regulations are met. I see a lot of crying but I don't see any reports on PD forums.
I've had this happen to me (being shot at while near a crime scene ) and I reported the cop at the HQ, not the SAPD forums. Wanna know why? Because that is DM, and should be punished by administration members, not IA. And until that happens, this is always going to be the situation at hand. Needless to say, nothing happened to that cop, and I wasn't suspected, moving or evading. I even got arrested by the FBI and let go because there was no evidence against me. Clearly, no evidence because I didn't commit any crime, but all you do is act based on my _Gvardia tag. There was another person on that same scene that didn't have a tag and he was let go, meanwhile, I got suspected for some bullshit ass reason by Jason or Mircea, they even called the admin there to oversee or some shit. Heh.


>Gvardia biased
>use Jovanca's ban to shut him up.
>Jovanca is banned by the same "biased" Gvardia.


>You guys DM, that's SAPD PROTOCOL?!??!?!?!??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Gets directed to a reply that says that the protocol is against server rules.
>Has no time for it.


I got too much free time on my hands, someone reply to me already, let's see how right you all are.


Quote from: Fernando_Tlinga on March 12, 2019, 11:43:07 pm
Quote from: Chase on March 12, 2019, 11:39:55 pm
Question for SAPD folks - Do complaints still have to require the old shitty standard that evidence must be "RP gathered" like the courts? If that's still the case then I believe criminal groups have a very strong point regarding who handles complaints. No one can predict when a cop will do something stupid and do the usual "/me turns on hidden dildo camera, bla bla bla.". If complaints are rejected solely based on how the evidence was gathered, and admins keep telling people to report to SAPD, then where does the responsibility fall?

No that standard of evidence is only required for IC corruption. If he's breaking a police regulation, non--RPed evidence will do.
Oh dope, is breaking the law also breaking police regulation, because if that is the case I want that guy above copbanned now. I'll give you more in the next reply, be prepared to lose a bunch of high ranks.
Title: Re: My opinion regarding the 'police roleplay'
Post by: Chase on March 12, 2019, 11:54:44 pm
And now that the thread is derailing further with no turning back... Well, that's how the cookie crumbles. I'd prefer HQ break silence and actually set up a civilized discussion, maybe even update the rules like they said they were going to, but hey, what do I know? I'm just some neckbeard coder on the internet.

Until next time,

Locked until further notice, possibly forever.
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