Argonath RPG - A World of its own

GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Aragorn on July 19, 2009, 12:37:18 pm

Title: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Aragorn on July 19, 2009, 12:37:18 pm
Last time we hear a lot from different players that Argonath RPG is not the same old Argonath as it was... And that is true... Argonath server was a way much better I AGREE... But almost all those who are screaming about old times cool Argonath have no idea what it was or f**king forgot totally which is usual for moaners...

So let me tell you what was old times Argonath RPG...

1. RULES
Old Argonath RPG had almost only ONE rule for all servers - respect our players... No any rules about freecops shit or about OOC or IC shit etc... That was the golden age of Argonath when players were not bringing a shit from other RPG servers to ruin our world...

Nowadays Argonath's community demands new rules more and more, that causes arguing between players who broke the rules and who did not... All newcomers think that more rules will increase roleplay and do not see that more rules decreases the friendly atmosphere on server, turning it into witch hunting and moaning community... I am not even talking about decreasing of roleplay as well... Because it is already impossible to roleplay according to the last Law set by Someones... Everyone tries to demand his view of roleplay... And nobody remembers, that the Argonath they f**king loved was the Argonath with the minimum amount of rules...

Are you a laboratory rats to run the direction the doctors will set? Or you are a f**king humans, who have a f**king head on their shoulders and f**king brains to go the direction which is good for them?

2. COMMUNITY

The community which is now is not the same as the community 2-3 years ago... You, who play here 1 year or maybe 1.5 year have no idea how deeply and totally screwed the Argonath Community for these time... Those who liked Argonath for its members cannot nowadays make a decent level of multiplayer acting with community... You have no the ideas of friendship, support, patience... Your ideals are moaning and crying...

What was the community of Argonath a way before? Strong... We did not afraid to face a deathmatchers... We had a great fighting skills ourselves... We were not moaning about rammers... As cops we suspect them and chase, as civilians we defended ourselves and friends... We were not demanding roleplay from anyone and in the way we want... We were not ignoring players like "I will not roleplay with this or that just cos I hate him"... We were not asking admins about every shitty fart in local chat...

Yes, you ARE different... You cannot handle the Argonath style just because it requests much higher level of your independence and your own skills in communication... You are trying to solve your problems by administration, moaning about every shit, which can be solved even by simple smile "Man you are nuts :D"...

If you cannot handle the Argonath style, why you cover behind it when moan? You who moan, cannot yourself to bring the "old Argonath times"...

3. ADMINISTRATION

Administration was a friend to players in old times... As there were less moaners then nowadays admins had a lot of time to play together with players, and there was no such a big distance as it is now... While moaning and reporting every fart, players fill the admins time to the top... Admins cannot handle the amount of cries they get... That is just IMPOSSIBLE... For checking the daily situations on server and ALL MOANING and COMPLAINTS admin should waste ALL HIS DAY without pauses with checking out from logs who the f**k is right and who is not...

People, who are the same age as you, who came to Argonath RPG and SA:MP to have fun and enjoy with play as you - nowadays sit with the heavy hearts trying to help as much as they can... And getting in their faces flame and shit... They are the same guys and girls... They are not different from you... But the amount of negative they get even more bigger then adults with their real life problems... This teenagers should be respected at least for their patience and not giving up... Because while you are having a f**king arguing with other player - admins get 20 such arguing which they have to stop or solve...

You should f**king respect these guys for that...

You say that Argonath RPG is not as good as it was when YOU JOINED? Then think who ruined it while played here...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: rJCaiG on July 19, 2009, 12:50:01 pm
Why is our number one rule respect and not to hack? I wonder if anyone has ever really thought of this - because if you hack, then respect admins wishes to stop the hacks, you will be praised upon a lot more than a disrespecter who never hacked..
It does NOT take a lot to respect us!! You think admin job is all easy peasy - it is NOT.
The main thing that makes me really feel like you think it's a piss easy job and anyone could do it is the moaners who constantly go - "omg omg i report uu!!! lol i sent in teh email LOL UR RITES WILL BE TAKEN AWAY!!!"..You gotta think - we are on the admin team for a REASON. If we abused, we would NOT be on the admin team. Espescially some of us veteran admins (Me, wayne, jaaskaa, pancher).
The rules were a lot simpler back in 2007. It was a lot more fun, to run around doing crazy thing, carjacking people for a laugh then getting your head blown off with a shotgun by them. It was fun to have that kind of oppertunities - but the leading administration changes, and with that the rules change too. I cannot change the rules, I cannot get rules taken away, but just think how much more fun it'd be to not instantly /report, but to have a bit of fun with the person who is carjacking or Dming you..I remember a story from Aragorn or Gandalf, from in 2006 or something, in MTA:VC. A guy came in hacking, and RON, instead of banning him, started to try to kill him and muck around with him. You NEED to realise /report is not for tiny little things.
The community is constantly changing - only back in 2007 it was more closed, not many newer people were joining. It was a more closed, meaningful, respectful community.
You newer people need to realise that this is not a regular old server - us older players just want respect and the good old RP to come back, the moaning to stop, and the disrespect to stop. As I recall, the old community email RARELY got emails sent to it..cuz everyone was cool with admins punishment being final...
keyword of my speech? respect..same as aragorns..

I, for one, Aragorn, thank you for your hard work and dedication to the server and to keeping it up and running. You are even a friend of mine, not a boss, as I respect you and I get the same respect back. I can talk to you and you can do the same back. A big thanks to you.

EDIT:
I just remember a situation today involving an admin even..he got suspected by the CHIEF OF SAPD, for corruption (the admin was an officer), and he stirred up an aboslute shitstorm over it. "abuse this abuse that blablabal"...i'm sitting there saying..dude, chill out, just RP god damnit, it's not all about ZOMG ABUSE....you guys gotta think - this is RPG, not "10 points per report you do"...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Melvin on July 19, 2009, 12:51:50 pm
Very nice Aragorn. Completely true. Hope people will start thinking after this  :hurray:
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Wash on July 19, 2009, 12:52:26 pm
I agree with you. I myself know I am to blame towards all this negativity, aswell as many other members of the community.

I hope that some of us can change our ways, and stop being so god damned negative about everything that happens.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Philip_McRay on July 19, 2009, 01:03:27 pm
I say as Mafs, if people stop being f**king selfish negative persons Argonath will defently change.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: David_Omid on July 19, 2009, 01:05:27 pm
Aragorn, you are completely right

The community has gotten to the point where nobody is satisfied. Whether it's cops, criminals or just civilians, people are moaning constantly about little things like "I lost 10k of weapons in a crash, refund me" and whenever there is a FAIR fight with cops VS criminals, there is ALWAYS moaning. They say things like "where was the roleplay, SWAT? You came in and shot us without asking surrender" when they don't get the point at all. We WERE roleplaying. SWAT are supposed to go in and take down threats because SAPD and FBI failed to reach a diplomatic conclusion with them. These people don't care about the reality of what we are doing, instead they are trying to make themselves feel better by blaming everyone else for making them lose money, as if it means anything here

I went on another server recently which claimed to be "RPG mode" to see how they did things. I enter and realise something...it's not like Argonath at all. Instead of being a civilian by default, you pick your job at the start. It was basically team-based and a lot of the "roleplay" was just team deathmatch with the /me command. Did they complain whenever they died or lost in other fights? No, they were all having fun, even laughing about how they scored an epic fail against the SWAT team

The problem I can see is that Argonath regulars love money and ownership in general far too much. This other server didn't have anything like cars, houses and businesses which you could own, yet I saw nobody complaining. They didn't have specific ways of making money either. In fact, money was practically spawned whenever you needed it. People didn't care about money at all...

In Argonath, people only care about money (vast majority, it used to be a small handful...of course there are still people who love roleplay the most) because it's hard to get it and having it enables you to do everything...

With money, you can get weapons, cars, houses and businesses. Therefore if someone loses money, they cry about it and blame everyone even though it just doesn't matter

When RS4 was released, people went onto the server and were like "oh my God, we can now sell weapons properly" and "oh my God new drugs system!" but they didn't thank Gimli and CBFASI for their work. It took a DECENT person with a forum topic before everyone acknowledged their hard work. All they cared about were the new ways to make money and more cars etc...

This brings me on to my next observation - scripts

People suggest ideas all the time like "we want cops/criminals/civilians to have this" and some of these new features were added. You would think that people would be happy...but no. They start saying "we want RS2 back, RS4 is terrible" which is literally spitting in the face of the developers and generally treating them like rubbish. It's like saying to someone "you spent a year of your own free time developing RS4, but we don't want it". Why do they say this? Because the roleplaying ability and attitude of the community changed. Was it because of the scripts? I doubt it. Personally, I think it was because of the regulars teaching the new players that money was everything, therefore making them see that roleplaying for money was pointless. Even if this was the true cause, people wouldn't see that. They will always blame the scripts, administration, server owners etc for everything. Changing the scripts won't solve anything. People will still moan and complain more than ever...

About administration - we are treated like slaves

Well not all of us, some of us are treated like servants, but it's almost the same principle. The players EXPECT us to help them whenever they want help, even if we simply can't help them or are busy with someone else. They then say "admins here are terrible, if I were an admin I would answer all reports and help everyone" when they have no idea what it's like being an admin. You tell them that and they say "then quit the admin job" as if it's as simple as that. If something is hard, do you quit it? I can just imagine all admins leaving because it's hard...then the problems which would come up. Someone posted a topic on SA:MP Ideas called "no admins" and suggested that we don't have admins for a little while. The idea isn't going to happen, but he gave an important message. He made it clear that he knew that admins were mistreated and wanted to see what people do if we left...

I don't know why people are doing what they do (complaining, wanting everything) but I think we all need to come to a conclusion and solve it

It would be great if everyone can post here and say WHY they don't like the current situation and say WHAT they actually want, it would answer some questions
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: EliteTerm on July 19, 2009, 01:18:40 pm
Hopefully this will show others what is happening now..


I've always dreamed of seeing the Old Argonath, even when I joined nearly 2 years ago..
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Unmountable on July 19, 2009, 01:47:16 pm
I hope this will help :), Thank Aragorn
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Cofiliano on July 19, 2009, 01:50:10 pm
I say as Mafs, if people stop being f**king selfish negative persons Argonath will defently change.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: MyleS on July 19, 2009, 01:50:54 pm
Definitly true...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Raykaza on July 19, 2009, 01:52:54 pm
Agreed.But This is Will be HARD than  we Think and It Needs a Long time.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Nexxt on July 19, 2009, 02:26:15 pm
Aragorn is so fucking right here.
And I KNOW, when we ALL want to change this, we CAN do it!

Problem is, that some people dont even want to try... but why not?
Just try it ONE time...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Lucky on July 19, 2009, 02:37:52 pm
Aragorn is right, and no we can not change it.
We'll try for a week, then we're gonna fail.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Myggen on July 19, 2009, 03:05:17 pm
Finally admins are getting into the topic !

Admins cant to all you guys in Argonath cry about.
Stop crying about a guy who hitted your door, or a guy who hit you once with a bat.

We are at Argonath for the same reason as you, sure we got our extra job as admin. But,
we got no time to play anymore !

Show some respect, and you will get your old Argonath back !
THANKS
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Melvin on July 19, 2009, 03:11:40 pm
We all need to start somewhere, And i think that getting taxi´s and busses more active will Increase RP Massivly.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Pandalink on July 19, 2009, 03:15:59 pm
Old Argonath RPG had almost only ONE rule for all servers - respect our players... No any rules about freecops shit or about OOC or IC shit etc... That was the golden age of Argonath when players were not bringing a shit from other RPG servers to ruin our world...

This statement wins, I totally agree. People are always so confused when they are going "(( Oh, this is OOC or something blah ))" and I just go right ahead and talk without those weird tags. Why are you confused? Don't you have a brain to figure out that "haha I love paramore" clearly isn't in roleplay - just chatting with friends?

Nowadays Argonath's community demands new rules more and more, that causes arguing between players who broke the rules and who did not...

That is true actually, now people are trying to bring in weird rules about bunnyhopping and not being allowed to speed and whatever.. what are these? Why are they hurting you - because they're "non-rp"?? What does that even mean? 2 years ago, "non-rp" wasn't ever, ever said on Argonath. Nobody moaned "you are nonrp" because there wasn't such a thing.

The community which is now is not the same as the community 2-3 years ago...

I agree, 2-3 years ago we didn't have the rubbish from other servers like OOC/IC and whatever else that just causes complaining and confusion, and flaming excuses such as "its IC, I can flame him" which is just silly.

What was the community of Argonath a way before? Strong... We did not afraid to face a deathmatchers... We had a great fighting skills ourselves...

Thats true actually, I totally remember that :D. If a DMer came, we just killed them and then had fun running from police. Now, people kill the DMer and cry "admin admin unsus me self defense". Damn, if you are so money hungry that 1k loss to you is death then surrender for like 2 minutes in jail..

You are trying to solve your problems by administration, moaning about every shit, which can be solved even by simple smile "Man you are nuts :D"...

Thats true, also. :lol:


Administration was a friend to players in old times... As there were less moaners then nowadays admins had a lot of time to play together with players, and there was no such a big distance as it is now...

Its such a shame when I see people moaning about little things that don't even matter. This guy had about 130k, and I beat him to a hit and got the money. He was sad, so I gave him 4k of the 20k I got, and then he swore at me for not giving him 5. If I wasn't an admin, he probably would've reported me and wasted the admins time with something random.

People, who are the same age as you, who came to Argonath RPG and SA:MP to have fun and enjoy with play as you - nowadays sit with the heavy hearts trying to help as much as they can... And getting in their faces flame and shit...

Remember everyone, I was once a player too and I am not even 18, so I nearly the same age as a lot of you.
I've learnt to shake off random flame when I know I haven't done wrong, but a lot of people haven't managed to yet, and it can affect one very badly. Think that when you moan and flame, you are shouting at just another person behind a computer, who has personality and feelings too..


They say things like "where was the roleplay, SWAT? You came in and shot us without asking surrender"

Thats why when SWAT come to kill Araatus, we make sure we never lose >: D.
If you get SWAT on you, expect to die without being asked "please criminal surrender..." while you shoot at them.

I went on another server recently which claimed to be "RPG mode" to see how they did things. I enter and realise something...it's not like Argonath at all. Instead of being a civilian by default, you pick your job at the start. It was basically team-based and a lot of the "roleplay" was just team deathmatch with the /me command. Did they complain whenever they died or lost in other fights? No, they were all having fun, even laughing about how they scored an epic fail against the SWAT team

It sounds a lot like RS2, David. In fact - it was probably the same base script (PEN1 LS).

They didn't have specific ways of making money either. In fact, money was practically spawned whenever you needed it. People didn't care about money at all...

Yes, yes and yes again! Money was just everywhere - and I bet nobody was moaning "admin admin refund 10k for weapons". I bet they went "damn I died, lets go get more guns with my millions".
Back in RS2 money was found in MOLE. Perhaps something similar (i.e. creating money from server for doing jobs - multiple player ones earn more though) could be added to RS4?

In Argonath, people only care about money (vast majority, it used to be a small handful...of course there are still people who love roleplay the most) because it's hard to get it and having it enables you to do everything...

I can't agree more. Now that I have loads of money, I can just happily sit back and play. When people are low on cash, getting killed does detriment you a lot (you can't enter businesses, you can't buy food, etcetc).


People suggest ideas all the time like "we want cops/criminals/civilians to have this" and some of these new features were added. You would think that people would be happy...but no.

Well, a lot of people noticed that cops seemed to have more than criminals, which was the point of contention at the release. None of the ideas I suggested got in, I'll pose them in SA-MP ideas for later versions though. :)

They then say "admins here are terrible, if I were an admin I would answer all reports and help everyone" when they have no idea what it's like being an admin.

I remember thinking that, but when I became an admin I learnt that it just isn't viable to answer every single report. I try my best though. :D


It would be great if everyone can post here and say WHY they don't like the current situation and say WHAT they actually want, it would answer some questions

I'm just gonna speak for some people when I say: MOLE-alike missions. Money is happiness, sadly. :lol:
I realise this won't fix the whole attitude to the server issue, but it may solve some "refund me I died wtf dmer!!" people.

We all need to start somewhere, And i think that getting taxi´s and busses more active will Increase RP Massivly.

I'm afraid the point has been totally missed here. You cannot "increase roleplay". Roleplay is not an amount, in a jug or a box. You do not have levels of roleplay, at one end low and another end "leet, high" roleplay or something.
Cars are available for use for a reason. How will taxis and busses increase roleplay?
We want to steer as far away from the other RP servers as possible, they have played a major part in ruining people's attitudes here. The other servers go "oh we have taxis and busses so we are RP", which is just untrue. Locking all the cars just pisses people off. If you want to use a taxi, the ability is there if you want it. Argonath is about freedom of roleplay, I don't wanna have to catch a taxi or run across LS like on the other servers.



Basically, I try my hardest to make everybody happy. It just isn't possible to do that, so I find the best compromise I can. If people can't understand that "I didn't see it, sorry I can't act as admin" then maybe they should put themselves in my shoes, or the shoes of any other admin on this server.

And I agree with pretty much all of Aragorn's post. Terrible ideas from bullcrap "RP" servers have effectively ruined people's attitudes to roleplay over here, and made "oh you are non-rp" arguments appear out of nowhere.

I'll always remember one admin on MTA:VC...
"hey Panda, if you can kill the DMer, I'll punish him : D".
 :)
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Bilbo on July 19, 2009, 03:17:15 pm
Amen.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: cDa on July 19, 2009, 03:34:15 pm
My 2 cents about old days and now: im just shocked how "old" players react to new people, now a days its turned into " give us cash and gtfo noob" People have a "im a goodly rper" virus by the looks of it, and from my point of view, over 80% of these new guys you all so hate play much better than you "1337 rpers"
Why do people hate new guys?
I told this plenty of times ill tell it again: My first day on Argonath,July 2007.
I registrated,spawned as groove,saw lots of people talking walking around,having fun, i checked help for some commands and asked in main chat can anyone help a newbie( today if anyone asks this half server tells him no noobs here and just ignores him...), about 10 people sent me a pm asking how can i help. charger tped to me, showed me how i can heal,how to get other skins and how the server works in general. i played a bit and loged off. that evening i returned, said hi, people said hey,welcome back,just like im a old time regular.. I took a car drove around, saw /ad from fbi asking if any civilians needed a job, i replied, and they took me as undercover, i had my first role play, it was acting in a crime movie, i was suposed to buy drugs,was waiting in bad area, saw some guys go in house to rob it, than one came to me pointed knife and said "you didnt see us here"...wow... this place is awesome.. i liked how fbi works,decided to join them, got into accademy,had to work as cadet under senior officers(and in those days when cadet asked for senior officers help they came and helped, noone said gtfo out of car noob(like these days..))No one cared about cash...cash was just used for tuning cars and food... there were no fees, we role played a guy a door selling tickets,we sold roleplay drugs, we knew how to have fun.I had so much fun each day and thet kept me comming back, when i got accepted into admin team i decided its time to help others have as good time as i had,by giving my best to keep them safe... Today people forgot that this is a game,forgot how to have fun, today all its left is moeny and more of it, and people are respected bu the size of their wallets..This can be changed, and i sure hope people will realise when and where they took the wrong turn..
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Jonas_Jack on July 19, 2009, 03:39:01 pm
I have idea to change whole argonath
Before joining the server,you will register at the site and do test of rp,have rp name,and admins must be more stronger about rp rules.If there rule breaker:Rammer,Carkiller,Leaving car at straight road,just ban them!
And if they pass the RP Test at the site,the admins these are going to check the tests will handle if the player will allowed to enter the server.

There many newbs that are entering the server,enjoying to break rules,and admins dont care about them when regulars player reports them.
Its well that the Adminisitration caring about hackers.
But its not enough.
Jonas.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Pandalink on July 19, 2009, 03:43:45 pm
Yea cDa I remember selling roleplay drugs, I always sold Aegis - but now if I did that people would be like "its not real drug I'm not paying for nothing". :(
Only a few people pay for Lasagne, also. :lol:


I have idea to change whole argonath
Before joining the server,you will register at the site and do test of rp,have rp name,and admins must be more stronger about rp rules.If there rule breaker:Rammer,Carkiller,Leaving car at straight road,just ban them!
And if they pass the RP Test at the site,the admins these are going to check the tests will handle if the player will allowed to enter the server.

Remember, sarcasm is easily lost on the internet - put /sarcasm at the end of posts which aren't serious, as this post clearly was not.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Cutt3r on July 19, 2009, 03:50:44 pm
I have idea to change whole argonath
Before joining the server,you will register at the site and do test of rp,have rp name,and admins must be more stronger about rp rules.If there rule breaker:Rammer,Carkiller,Leaving car at straight road,just ban them!
And if they pass the RP Test at the site,the admins these are going to check the tests will handle if the player will allowed to enter the server.

There many newbs that are entering the server,enjoying to break rules,and admins dont care about them when regulars player reports them.
Its well that the Adminisitration caring about hackers.
But its not enough.
Jonas.

My dear friend, you have totally missed the point of this topic.

Let me quote a line from one of Late Michael Jackson's amazing songs 'Man in the mirror'

"If you wanna make the world a better place, take a look at yourself and make the change" That, pretty much sums up what I have to say.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Jonas_Jack on July 19, 2009, 03:54:50 pm
I meant against rule breakers
but nvm...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Pandalink on July 19, 2009, 03:58:31 pm
Rulebreakers are not the issue, its the rising amount of rules.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Matthew_Mcbride on July 19, 2009, 04:54:39 pm
Also, Scripters took time out of their lives, their BUSY lives to script RS4 just to create a game for you to play on, I'm sorry but if you are not grateful for some one trying to make something specifically to provide you with entertainment, then you are very selfish, I give RS4 a thumbs up and anyone who complains about RS4 a thumbs down and a boot in the rear.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Syn on July 19, 2009, 04:56:41 pm
I have idea to change whole argonath
Before joining the server,you will register at the site and do test of rp,have rp name,and admins must be more stronger about rp rules.If there rule breaker:Rammer,Carkiller,Leaving car at straight road,just ban them!
And if they pass the RP Test at the site,the admins these are going to check the tests will handle if the player will allowed to enter the server.

There many newbs that are entering the server,enjoying to break rules,and admins dont care about them when regulars player reports them.
Its well that the Adminisitration caring about hackers.
But its not enough.
Jonas.

Instead of forcing them to do somethign when all they want to do is Play. TEACH them. I can Guaranty that they will surprise you. I have been Helping new people for a while now and it takes over most of my playing time. But that doesnt matter to me. If there are new people who are having fun and enjoying themselves on argonath then that is all that matters to me. I dont mind if i get to play only 5 minutes a day, Helping people is what i enjoy doing. Some people jsut need to stop saying "Give them a test before they are allowed to play" and Realise that RP is a skill that needs to be worked at. Everyone has to start that skill is a beginner and gradually learn more. This is increasingly difficult if all people do is say things like " You suck at RP" or "GTFO Noob" or "Get Lost freecops". But with a little help from someone who can spare the time will mean the world to them and Argonath as a whole. Thats what i believe anyway.

And as for the server not being the same. I agree, things have changed alot since 2.0. For example in 2.0 There was alot less complaining to do with vehciles. There used to be 2 Hydras, Available to the Army Skins which anyone could have. There used to be NRGS and Monster Trucks Available to anyone. These were one of the reasons i stayed in argonath. Theres nothign better on your first day there to meet 2 People who were willing to help you and then get in a monstertruck each and tear up the streets of LS while being chased by a load of cops. That was FUN. In my opinion, People take argonath to seriously. Its a Game people need to realise that if someone Rams you, its not the end of the world, If someone kills you. You loose a small amount of make believe cash that you would only use to buy more guns anyway.

 I agree something needs done. And as a player of Argonath i will do everything in my power to help make a change.

-Syn
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Vince on July 19, 2009, 05:05:48 pm
One hell of a topic, that's all I can say. Really can't speak as I joined around late December of 07 and damn I can remember reading the main chat. I really was clueless, and I still love to tell my stories of how I met the people form long ago who are still around today (yes I'm an old man story teller :D)

How Austin taught me how to log in, Parox taught me what roleplay is and we had amazing rps, joining the police force, Luca, Nicholas, learning the official ropes from Pancher and cb, looking for respect from old players like Sarah, Wolfe, Panda, etc. Gaining close friends like Cane and Squeak. I can't speak like Giac, cDa, Panda, but I can sure say that it was really fun... and for some reason.. I honestly don't know how or why I can still "make" it fun, do things like above explained yet I wasn't even around.

I really think this topic opened people's eyes, if anything it sure opened mine.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Pandalink on July 19, 2009, 05:11:56 pm
There used to be 2 Hydras, Available to the Army Skins which anyone could have. There used to be NRGS and Monster Trucks Available to anyone. These were one of the reasons i stayed in argonath. Theres nothign better on your first day there to meet 2 People who were willing to help you and then get in a monstertruck each and tear up the streets of LS while being chased by a load of cops. That was FUN.

Quite a large chunk of my point in a nutshell right there. :D
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: John_Vaughan on July 19, 2009, 05:24:43 pm
Removed: overquote

AMEN to that post..

Yeah, Those old times were fun :D, Without PEN1 LS Scripts, We CAN Bring back the old times with RS4... This topic opened my eyes, So it will open a lot more.. If we stop the moaning together, and bring a friendly atmosphere, and delete all the shitty rules we all made up (ic/ooc and shit), We will bring Argo old times back..

And yeah, MOLE Missions would be COOL, Scripted events and fun events.. No one can moan to anyone "omg event host is corrupt!! i won!!!", It would help (imo) in bringing fun again to Argonath, Help in friendly atmosphere, Drop the constant moaning about everything, and help people with money, So there are no poor people :D

And this topic gave me a different point of view about Argonath.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Boxy on July 19, 2009, 07:20:20 pm
Argonath's Roleplay: 6/10
Argonath's Community: 9.5/10

I mostly come here for the community, filled with funny and occasionally good Role-players.  The Role-play isn't that great here, but it has it's spikes sometimes.  That said, if the community wasn't great at all, I wouldn't last here.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Fabio on July 19, 2009, 08:24:51 pm
This topic kind of somes up some of the problems I complain about. :)

Things like people complaining about Non-RP and such.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Mr. Goobii on July 19, 2009, 11:34:50 pm
Argonath's Roleplay: 6/10
Argonath's Community: 9.5/10

I mostly come here for the community, filled with funny and occasionally good Role-players.  The Role-play isn't that great here, but it has it's spikes sometimes.  That said, if the community wasn't great at all, I wouldn't last here.

indeed, I'm here for the community and not for roleplaying. But Yes, I roleplay too  :roll:
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Pancher on July 19, 2009, 11:40:52 pm
Rulebreakers are not the issue, its the rising amount of rules.

It's the lack of respect towards others!!
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Kessu on July 20, 2009, 02:06:16 am
Someone who is whining about other's RP, usually sucks in RP themselves...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Ajeesh on July 20, 2009, 02:38:43 am
Someone who is whining about other's RP, usually sucks in RP themselves...
You sir, are a genius. This is being sigged :D

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I really think this topic opened people's eyes, if anything it sure opened mine.

It opened mine too.

To be honest, i also wish i was around during the old times. I WAS around for VCMP but not in SA:MP. I wish i was here for SAMP, so experience the rping, and the friendliness and everything.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Roadkill on July 20, 2009, 03:21:57 am
Argonath has accumulated far too many problems on the SA:MP server to list or complain about. I am just going to start fresh on MTA:SA when the new scripts come out. Hopefully it won't get ruined like SA:MP.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: TheRealStof on July 20, 2009, 04:46:55 am
you is very angry :) its a game, relax max.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Oliver on July 20, 2009, 05:04:47 am
It's the lack of respect towards others!!

And what causes lack of respect, my dear brother?
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Bianconeri on July 20, 2009, 08:22:29 am
i dont understand why ppl keep moaning that Argonath is horrible now

why?
because those ppl who moan about bad Argonath, are the once that actually cause it themselves,
all the ppl who moan are the same ppl that keep moaning about freecops, and about admins not doing anything,
yelling abuse at every suspection they receive

SAMP is not ruined, far from ruined, the RP is still good, but the OOC crap is ruined,
ppl should respect others, this includes freecops!!!!!
ppl should know what admins go through, they have to repeat it all the time:
they are busy with all those reports they get, and cant respond to every report inmediatly


a better server begins with you

stop moaning about freecops, stop moaning about admins, stop moaning about dmers and other rulebreakers, just /report them and drop it then

as i said before:

the ppl who moan about the current state of Argonath, are the same ppl who destroys Argonath

and Panda is it caused by to mainy new rules?
as far as i know there are no new rules, or just a few in long time
there is nothing wrong with the Argonath rules, its far from strict,
look at other RP servers, they are way stricter, no power and metagaming and all

i hang around on different RP servers, including official ones, and all i can say
is that Argonath is BY FAR the best RP server around,
the amount of flaming on Argonath is far less then on other servers,
where ppl only flame each other all day long

if you dont like argonath, why are you still here?
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Altair_Carter on July 20, 2009, 08:57:05 am

Remember, sarcasm is easily lost on the internet - put /sarcasm at the end of posts which aren't serious, as this post clearly was not.
That's aint a sarcasm......He just copied registration system from LS-RP, where they need to be asked on blank questions, pass test on RP and explain some terms, some rules...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Radagast on July 20, 2009, 09:26:32 am
Keep admin script and /me. That is when you see the best rp
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Carbon on July 20, 2009, 10:17:50 am
Imo it's all about amount of ppl and because we don't know each other. We need to get friends be more friendly in game and not flame/annoy etc..
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: The_Wolf on July 20, 2009, 10:21:37 am
Everybody types here "I totally agree, you are so right!" and then you will close this topic and continue the same old crap...
Yes, I agree too, but I don't think that's going to change with a single topic, I think some bans and some serious talks here and there are needed in order for this to end.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: CM Daniel on July 20, 2009, 11:42:52 am
I don't think repression will get the job done. It will only create a hostile vibe from the administration towards the players, which is the last thing we want to happen.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Matthew_Mcbride on July 20, 2009, 11:47:55 am
When making a roleplay server, scripters/developers cannot assume that you will want to take on the role of a certain person and create it to be exactly like real life, looks look at an example, In real life, SWAT will never kill someone for popping their tire, but in the game thats the only way to show the person not to do it, do you feel threatened if some one punches you in game?, but now if you someone pops SWAT's tire, they are obviously looking for trouble and if SWAT gets out and arrests them, that doesnt have as much of an impact, because SWAT has a reputation that should not be "LOL DONT MESS WITH SWAT, THEY WILL ARREST YOU" it should be "Woah, no way am I messing with those guys", but now if SWAT kill you for popping their tire then you will most probably say in main chat:
"WTF SWAT Dmers!"
"You guys suck!"
"NOOB ASS SWAT DM!"


If you were suspected, you would have run away immediately because you red the TEXT on screen that says you were suspected.
so somethings need to change to have a real life impact on a roleplay server... I think it's fair.


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if SWAT kill you
I was referring to an example of "YOU" not nessecarily you.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Aragorn on July 20, 2009, 02:12:37 pm
That's aint a sarcasm......He just copied registration system from LS-RP, where they need to be asked on blank questions, pass test on RP and explain some terms, some rules...

1. That registration from site system was made actually to prevent hackers entering the server... Only later RP servers with such system started claiming that its "teh best system for omzorg real RPG servers"... But the truth is - those servers have no a good admins system to catch hackers and money cheaters... And had to restrict the registration...

Argonath RPG has the best admins system so we do not afraid of hackers... Our system was required by several servers owners and even with the suggestions of buying the admins script... But as it is unthankful and we already were experienced that those whom we help will start shit us later - we do not public our work or share with any other servers...

Looking how our banned cheaters, hackers, flamers, deathmatchers (regulars btw) join other servers and feel there "cool whoa" I just understand that neither admins system there nor atmosphere between players can attract my attention...

So so-called "Real RPG servers registration" came from impossibility of server owners to stop hackers... And actually does not stop hacks/cheats/rule breakings on servers...

2. The system with so-called "real life local chat" was created from the first for hiding the bots on servers which were increasing statistics... To hide a small amount of real players such servers turned to the total local chat where you can see only players which are not far from you... This could explain why on server with 50 players you meet only 10 people...

So that you all know what was the history of this two "zomg RPG features"...

Next what I wanted to say:

3. No ANY RPG server of SA:MP which announcing themselves as "real life" can match standards of Real Life...
Feel free to think about what I mean...

And the last:

4. Thanks for understanding the point of topic...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: John_marshell on July 20, 2009, 02:16:37 pm
Well i also agree... aragorn is speaking the truth with people reporting about everything instead of solving it themself...myself i am not in the community from old argonath.. But i can still see what aragorn is saying..
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Zippie on July 20, 2009, 02:34:57 pm
I think regulars should think most about it.
I dont know if i can call myself regular now but, when i was new and i asked question from regular i almost never got answer. Even if i saw they are not AFK. I almost always try to solve things on my own, i tell people what is not allowed and so on. Everyone have sayed: Oh okay, sorry. Once newbie was ramming me, i sayed its not allowed. Than he pm-d me: F*ck you, i sayed flaming isnt allowed and he sayed sorry.
I try to be friendly as much i can and i hope noone has problems with me so far. I have flamed one guy but i hope we are fine now.
And public chat, main admins dosnt want to disable it because newbies couldnt ask questions than. We should answer if we know answer,
What if he asks if DM is allowed, noone answers and later he DM-s you and you report. Make friends, even with newbies. :)
And sorry for my bad english, hope whoever reads it will understand.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: TheRealStof on July 20, 2009, 03:11:03 pm
Everybody types here "I totally agree, you are so right!" and then you will close this topic and continue the same old crap...
Yes, I agree too, but I don't think that's going to change with a single topic, I think some bans and some serious talks here and there are needed in order for this to end.

hahahaha i agree you are so right! if it doesnt change from a topic made by some super nerd guy called aragorn then this world is seriously f*cked up i bet you it is the koreans who are ruining the community! with they nukeuler bombs n shii...mann wtf i dont even know what im saying anymore..umm we should bring back jcstodds and haldir then good roleplay will be back negga!
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Matthew_Mcbride on July 20, 2009, 03:32:46 pm
I dont know if i can call myself regular
You're forum rank/title says regular.

Well i also agree... aragorn is speaking the truth with people reporting about everything instead of solving it themself...myself i am not in the community from old argonath.. But i can still see what aragorn is saying..
OMG another South African, howzit bru, hoe gaan dit :D
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Jubin on July 20, 2009, 03:59:02 pm
Well guys haven't you thought about that really a lot of these problems come new players. As they are the ones that gets their first job as freecops, first ones who flames a lot etc. But they don't read our forum. There are only few selected, who actually are interested in becoming a regular. So you, who complain about the people that Argonath can't control just stop it.

When it comes to rules and commands. I would have to say that there is starting to be too many of them.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Boxy on July 20, 2009, 06:48:13 pm
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*Notion about solving problems ourselve.*

How are we supposed to do that?  The server says /report everything, and when we report someone who is ramming/dming/etc., and the admins aren't responding, we try to stop the rulebreaker.  And how do you go about this?  Breaking a rule.  When we do break that said rule, usually we take the blame and get shit on by an admin, while the rulebreaker is still at large.

And anyways, from the words of GiacJr:  "That's why I'm an admin and your not."

If admins hold their head so fucking high, like that^, why do we need to stop rulebreakers when we get in trouble?  Players shouldn't have to stop rulebreakers, we didn't apply to play on the server, like admins did to get their rights.  That's why we have admins, and if we should solve problems ourselves, then why shouldn't we all get admin rights?  It only makes sense(and no I'm not asking for admin rights.).
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: 9r2e5i3k on July 20, 2009, 07:28:07 pm
we try to stop the rulebreaker.  And how do you go about this?  Breaking a rule.

You are stopping the rulebreaker from braking the rules or just from killing you? One thing is to explain the rules, another is to attack/fight back.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Gandalf on July 20, 2009, 07:59:32 pm
How are we supposed to do that?  The server says /report everything, and when we report someone who is ramming/dming/etc., and the admins aren't responding, we try to stop the rulebreaker.  And how do you go about this?  Breaking a rule.  When we do break that said rule, usually we take the blame and get shit on by an admin, while the rulebreaker is still at large.

And anyways, from the words of GiacJr:  "That's why I'm an admin and your not."

If admins hold their head so f**king high, like that^, why do we need to stop rulebreakers when we get in trouble?  Players shouldn't have to stop rulebreakers, we didn't apply to play on the server, like admins did to get their rights.  That's why we have admins, and if we should solve problems ourselves, then why shouldn't we all get admin rights?  It only makes sense(and no I'm not asking for admin rights.).
You have two choices:
1. use /report and let admins handle it. If you think they do not respond, then how can they punish you if you take matters in your own hand afterwards ? It can only be because they are checking your report.

2. Solve it without reporting.
And that includes not spamming the chat with 'cancel me it was self defense' should you kill someone.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Boxy on July 20, 2009, 08:10:08 pm
2. Solve it without reporting.
And that includes not spamming the chat with 'cancel me it was self defense' should you kill someone.

Most likely it won't happen.  Everytime I get sus'ed by accident(and the /su'er was even testifying in my favor) or was clear abuse, admins shrug it off.  The only way to get unsused is to get a cop witness to jail you and refund you.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Gandalf on July 20, 2009, 08:25:01 pm
Most likely it won't happen.  Everytime I get sus'ed by accident(and the /su'er was even testifying in my favor) or was clear abuse, admins shrug it off.  The only way to get unsused is to get a cop witness to jail you and refund you.

Perhaps your definition of abuse doe not match that of admins. :roll:
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: John_marshell on July 20, 2009, 08:28:16 pm
Most likely it won't happen.  Everytime I get sus'ed by accident(and the /su'er was even testifying in my favor) or was clear abuse, admins shrug it off.  The only way to get unsused is to get a cop witness to jail you and refund you.

1-Yes solve it yourself and do it in a desent way.
2-Not only admins can unsuspect.
3-You are a regular if you break the rules admins will give you fair punishment. new players are though that you not allowed to do that...

(Too Matthew_Mcbride: Lol goed man goed...you were banned when i was still playing.. Then i met madboi and found out he is south african too... same with you now)
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Aragorn on July 20, 2009, 08:29:58 pm
Boxy you really think that admins should reply on all 20 reports in 1 minute "Your report was taken and is now under check, sir/madam"?
That admins did not tell it does not mean they do not check the report... And sitting and spectating every reported ass with the nice shit in chat about admins doing nothing - will not do any normal people... These guys are not normal - they are fucking golden that they still work with this and try to change pampers to every crying kid...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Alsatian on July 20, 2009, 09:00:43 pm
The problem is that we aren't friendly towards each other.

As Aragorn stated somewhere before, it's Players Vs Admins, Criminals Vs Cops, and so on.

If we could all just get along, and stop the damn arguing, and just have some fun and RP.. ahh, things would be so much better.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Jserg on July 20, 2009, 09:05:44 pm
Not many people does a job for free

Admins are working for free, for the good of the server..
Also admins got less time than others to Roleplay or have fun than normal people
Atleast, Admins had more time back at 2007... the Whole enviroment of Argonath was a look friendly
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Matthew_Mcbride on July 20, 2009, 09:30:12 pm
Sometimes you /report, and admins have solved it or are busy solving it, and then you spam the admin with
"ZOMFG CHECK MY REPORT USELESS TART"
and you end up getting in trouble, maybe admins should just send the reporter a message saying "You're report is being dealt with" or something, just to give the person some relief? or make a command like /relieve <id> (sounds dodgey) and that sends a message to the ID saying "You're report is being dealt with SIR/MAM, Thank you"

Matty.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Aragorn on July 20, 2009, 09:38:50 pm
maybe admins should just send the reporter a message saying "You're report is being dealt with" or something, just to give the person some relief?

Boxy you really think that admins should reply on all 20 reports in 1 minute "Your report was taken and is now under check, sir/madam"?

make a command like /relieve <id> (sounds dodgey) and that sends a message to the ID saying "You're report is being dealt with SIR/MAM, Thank you"

This is exactly how shits started on Argonath... Make command for that make command for this... Is that so difficult just to be humans not slaves of commands...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Gird3r on July 20, 2009, 09:56:51 pm
The biggest wondering of all, is why is admins of sa-mp even taking after the rules about OOC or other unknown rules.

As far as I know, they are not in the official rules...

EDIT:

In the definition of "OLD Argonath OMFG!!!", exactly how far back does players want?

We can go as far back as the start of the mta_vc server. However, that won't happen as then ASE was active and etc.

You can't turn back the clock with todays technogoly you know...
But what you can do, while the clock is ticking, is making sure things works and prepare for a better future.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Gandalf on July 20, 2009, 10:06:25 pm
Sometimes you /report, and admins have solved it or are busy solving it, and then you spam the admin with
"ZOMFG CHECK MY REPORT USELESS TART"
and you end up getting in trouble, maybe admins should just send the reporter a message saying "You're report is being dealt with" or something, just to give the person some relief? or make a command like /relieve <id> (sounds dodgey) and that sends a message to the ID saying "You're report is being dealt with SIR/MAM, Thank you"

Matty.
What would you like more...

1. Admins sending a message to each reporter 'we are dealing with it'
or
2. Admins actually sealing with reports.

They do not have time for both...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Matthew_Mcbride on July 20, 2009, 10:10:16 pm
What would you like more...

1. Admins sending a message to each reporter 'we are dealing with it'
or
2. Admins actually sealing with reports.

They do not have time for both...
Yes they do, I can spectate someone and /pm <id> you're report is being dealt with, at the same time
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: The_Wolf on July 20, 2009, 10:20:09 pm
Yes they do, I can spectate someone and /pm <id> you're report is being dealt with, at the same time
After the 1000th time you do it, I can bet my balls you would speak diffrently... for God's sake think a little, place yourself on the administrator's place and you will see that it is not easy at all.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Aragorn on July 20, 2009, 10:20:59 pm
Yes they do, I can spectate someone and /pm <id> you're report is being dealt with, at the same time

Exactly the mistake of players... They think that admins are sitting and dealing only their report... And do ignore my post as well that while you are arguing about your case, admin has 20 such cases... And in situation when there are multiple reports coming, even sending "ooooh I am dealing the report" will not help... Admins will be accused the same way about doing nothing... Only you will start a new accusations - abusing command which is telling that admin deals with it...

Why you want everything make on commands? Are you idiot? No offense - just wanna straight answer - you do not trust us, admins, that we are doing our best? And will sending an answer on report change admins work somehow into the better way? Do you know any server where players made admins always inform them about their actions they do?

What a nonsense... Do you, those who moan about admins work, ever understand how stupid you look like? For god sake instead of understanding my topic you are coming here and even HERE you find the thing to moan about... Now you are fucking suggesting the new shitty command on server... So you can trust the admins only through commands?
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Matthew_Mcbride on July 20, 2009, 10:25:43 pm
Exactly the mistake of players... They think that admins are sitting and dealing only their report... And do ignore my post as well that while you are arguing about your case, admin has 20 such cases... And in situation when there are multiple reports coming, even sending "ooooh I am dealing the report" will not help... Admins will be accused the same way about doing nothing... Only you will start a new accusations - abusing command which is telling that admin deals with it...

Why you want everything make on commands? Are you idiot? No offense - just wanna straight answer - you do not trust us, admins, that we are doing our best? And will sending an answer on report change admins work somehow into the better way? Do you know any server where players made admins always inform them about their actions they do?

What a nonsense... Do you, those who moan about admins work, ever understand how stupid you look like?
well then at least people will know their report is being checked, I feel as an administrator you are a "big brother" you must set the example, some admins aren't setting a good example by ignoring commands, and i've seen admins ignore commands from many views, im not meaning any offence though, most of those admins are fired, and to be certain I will say their names, like Cane was a useless admin, I would say I could do a better job but hell, a donkey could to better. I must go to bed now though, i write my mid terms tomorrow, good night Aragorn, sleep tight, don't let the goblens bite. <3 No offence meant though, im being straightforward
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: hell1989 on July 20, 2009, 10:26:09 pm
I agree when I first joined Argonath it was back in March 2007 on MTA: VC everything was fun, then I hear in the chat about Argonath SA:MP and what it was and they said it was in beta and this Saturday it would have official opening. So I was there and I been on Argonath since day one of SAMP scripts, I played as swat commander cop and there was no ARPD and everything was cool. I think Argonath is still cool and a great community, just the bullshiter players who don't take the time to understand what this place is all about. We need more server wide events like this JULY 28th, looks like fun.

The current discussion right now is about admins doing their jobs? Well we have enough admins and I think we do pretty good, but one admin can't handle 100,000,000 cases from 100 angry players, I remember in OLD DAYS, if a new player would jack your car you would either shoot the car up or car jack back, but now I see old players just MOAN in /p and spam /report a billion times.



My point is, just play the game have fun and enjoy your time on ArgonathRPG.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Aragorn on July 20, 2009, 10:33:55 pm
well then at least people will know their report is being checked

Yeah? not that clever thoughts... Cos you have no idea - will admin check your report or not by sending you an answer with the command usage... This is EXACTLY the difference... You want a script command without any useful option... It means without looking forward what exactly it needs for and will it work REALLY...

I am more experienced... I know setting the command will not help and will increase even MORE the moaning about admins...

Though I doubt you understand anything from what I say... Just cos you do not fucking think about the real things... You like commands...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Matthew_Mcbride on July 20, 2009, 10:42:04 pm
i joined argonath when quite a long time ago, exactly the same day as inkognito...i remember, but when RS4 caa out my eyes lit up, i loved the way everything was improved and had become so.. so, fixxed, i dont want RS4 to change, because one day WHEN i come back, i want to play on a well scripted server such as argonath, on the other hand, i probably dont have as much experience as you aragorn, but i know a thing or two from the client/player side and what one likes to know, if i make a report and i dont see anything, (kicks/bans/warns) i would really like to be notifieddby an admin that a verbal warning was given or that the rulebreaker was punished....you know some acknowledgement...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Gandalf on July 20, 2009, 10:46:41 pm
i joined argonath when quite a long time ago, exactly the same day as inkognito...i remember, but when RS4 caa out my eyes lit up, i loved the way everything was improved and had become so.. so, fixxed, i dont want RS4 to change, because one day WHEN i come back, i want to play on a well scripted server such as argonath, on the other hand, i probably dont have as much experience as you aragorn, but i know a thing or two from the client/player side and what one likes to know, if i make a report and i dont see anything, (kicks/bans/warns) i would really like to be notifieddby an admin that a verbal warning was given or that the rulebreaker was punished....you know some acknowledgement...
The topic is not to discuss about how many more commands and rules there should be.
Its about having LESS commands and LESS complicated systems.

So get a bunch of bananas and make commands with them.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Aragorn on July 20, 2009, 10:48:27 pm
If you see nothing admin is spectating to get proves of the report... If you do not trust our admins - find a server where admins instead of dynamically checking reports are sitting and all they do - sending reports back...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Pazienza on July 20, 2009, 11:05:07 pm
The topic is not to discuss about how many more commands and rules there should be.
Its about having LESS commands and LESS complicated systems.

So get a bunch of bananas and make commands with them.

Less commands = less abuses = less moaners = more roleplay, I think that's the point of this topic, and someone didn't get it right.
even if I was not there when the RS2 was on, hence can't compare the two scripts - I think that would be a nice idea
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Dratted on July 21, 2009, 12:03:08 am
Its all Well and good... But why are admins DM'ing, Warning and Spawning there own cars, And getting away with it... Thats what PISSES ME OFF! :mad:
(http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/Themes/default/images/warnwarn.gif) Warned for lie: admins can NOT spawn their own cars...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Roadkill on July 21, 2009, 12:10:10 am
Certain rules exist to prevent abuse. So I don't think removing rules will help.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Pazienza on July 21, 2009, 12:11:50 am
Its all Well and good... But why are admins DM'ing, Warning and Spawning there own cars, And getting away with it... Thats what PISSES ME OFF! :mad:
I doubt they do..
screenies and [email protected] ..

and stay on topic.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Alsatian on July 21, 2009, 01:27:31 am
Its all Well and good... But why are admins DM'ing, Warning and Spawning there own cars, And getting away with it... Thats what PISSES ME OFF! :mad:

I find this really hard to believe. And if they are, [email protected].
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Joey_DeRossi on July 21, 2009, 01:36:14 am
Everything is perfect as it is.
"We, without a doubt, have a diverse community, which has a broad range of age groups and different cultural approaches. The administration has attempted to be tolerant, and have succeeded to a certain degree. It is now the responsibility of our new era of RPers, to highlight areas of concern and to take them forward - We are all responsible for this."
We just need to "insert" a new mentality on the veterans, I mean, since when is helping a newcomer that hard/boring?
Am I the only one who finds joy in helping the newcomers and watching them learning by using /me commands and /animhelp's?Take a look at Sean_Olk - he started with low credentials and look at him now, he has been helping so many newcomers and has become such a charismatic character and a pillar of his group !

This has nothing to do with administrators, has they do their job perfectly, and yes, I've witnessed it.
Like said before, instead of reporting a newcomer for carjacking/dm'ing, etc - Fight back ! It's not considered dm'ing since you're role-playing that he has stolen your car and the "shoot-out" will send a "warning" to the newcomer and he will start to learn on his own, or with your help.
If you're the peaceful type, try sending them a private message, it works most of the times.

It's quite annoying to see /p flooded with "OMGs", "HE KILLED MEs", etc. Instead, please, take a break for 5 minutes and stop complaining about the administration.
I once freaked out, COMPLETELY, with a cop that destroyed my role-play (and you may ask Violet_Corleone) and do you know what I did? /q (Even though I flamed Violet, through PM, but apologized right away ).
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Stanley_Taylor on July 21, 2009, 01:44:12 am
I think Argonath has improved since I joined, 6 months ago. One of the things that really improved the server was that some admins from big clans got removed and that violet and eugene got added.

However, I'd like to say a few things that I've seen over the past 6 months that, in some rare cases, causes people to start moaning.

First of all, a lot of the 'old regulars' that are admins, are also cops. They play with each other all the time. I'm talking about WS, AV and Araatus (Araatus has just a few admins and they're all good). When a WS/AV member but most importantly, a friend of WS/AV (which is almost always a cadet/officer) breaks a rule, the reports on them are being handled softly. Don't give me the usual, "almost always the reports are being handled without you knowing about it", because I can read the responds in /p too. So basically, cops are more believeble than criminals to admins because the admins are unwillingly biased, and criminals do not appreciate it.

Secondly, most of the DM but especially other abuse like carkilling comes from criminals upon other criminals. Then you check /admins and you see over 75% is a cop. A lot of times these admins say: "I can only handle reports when I see it". Catch my drift? I've come to the conclusion that this server does not need more admins that are cops, but criminals or hobo's. For example, Alfred_Charles get DM'd every 5 minutes. I'd be good to have an admin that is a hobo, or something (or make [AV]Syn admin  ;)) Atleast on places where there's a lot of DMing with usually no admins around.

Third and most importantly, liars. Regulars who lie should be perm-banned from Argonath. Liars are constant rule-breakers, because they know they get away with it 99 percent all the time. The other one percent they get a kick or a temp-ban. Perm-banned and then getting unbanned 3 days later cuz they lie about being sorry, also counts as a temp-ban.

 :ps: I guess I don't have to bother doing /report at all any more now do I?  :lol:
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: John_marshell on July 21, 2009, 03:45:09 am
Yes they do, I can spectate someone and /pm <id> you're report is being dealt with, at the same time

While checking your keyboard to type you have missed everything the /reported person did  :lame:..

Admins work too hard already and you guys just want them to do more :smoke:...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Oliver on July 21, 2009, 06:10:24 am
Like Girder said, forget the past and focus on the future...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Chuck_Norris on July 21, 2009, 11:10:14 am
Yes they do, I can spectate someone and /pm <id> you're report is being dealt with, at the same time

I try to do this every time, however like said before, you need to focus on the reported player.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Matthew_Mcbride on July 21, 2009, 11:28:19 am
I try to do this every time, however like said before, you need to focus on the reported player.
and what about Multitasking, I would suggest making a message that comes aswell on /report that says "Please do not bug the admins, they will do what they can"
but that would just be creating a new rule... so I'm going to leave this topic since I'm bating the same subject over and over and its going to either end up in a stalemate or in me losing the debate, I had an opinion obviously I don't know anything from a community leaders side >.> so I did not mean to judge anything. thank you :)
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Gird3r on July 21, 2009, 01:04:18 pm
Even tough the command would be usefull, it would put stress on the developers in need of making it.

Also, it would remove another bit of the sociality between admins and players. And sociality between admins and players are needed if a fucntioning order is to be working

Not to mention it would make the player feel even more left behind than they already supposedely feel if a robotic message told them the report is being checked.


I mean, think how comforting it is to hear a robotic voice over the telephone telling you that your in bla bla bla line.


It's not comforting at all and absolutely not comforting in any way.
I see the good of the possibility of the command. But there's to many negative hidden sides of it. Atleast from my point of view.

Also, there are WAY to many commands in sa-mp. Way to many I tell you.  :neutral:
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Watti on July 21, 2009, 01:16:08 pm
the old days...

Shit i was like 14 or 15 .. which ever one it was

hmm 2006 if im right.. grade umm.. 9? i think.. hmmmm

Wow 3 years!! dam im getting old ay

ok now We all complain.. AHH he jacked me!! dam it... Shooooott him!!!! :P Warned for Dmin... Hey Faggot he was like jacking me.. thatsw whats happening now...

ok when admins whernt on server on MTA.. i became a cop.. and id suspect Dmers.. with like.. Endangering innocent Citizens or something.. and Chase them.. not for long cos they wanted to kill but i killed first :D so i got rich.. thatsw how i became the richest.. then Geoffy took over.. so it was Geoff Watti then Kaltsu.. I havnt talked to him in a while

So yea :) fun times...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Gird3r on July 21, 2009, 01:19:28 pm
hmm 2006 if im right.. grade umm.. 9? i think.. hmmmm

The master of the dice returns.  :lol: :rofl:

How are you Watti?
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Aragorn on July 21, 2009, 01:44:19 pm
so it was Geoff Watti then Kaltsu..

Rofl? Kaltsu was before you even heard about Argonath...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Syn on July 21, 2009, 02:10:16 pm
(or make [AV]Syn admin  ;))

Lol Why May i ask? :)

-Syn
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Indica on July 21, 2009, 02:22:36 pm
Those members of Argonath that are sick of a low amount of RP need to realize that it is there own fault. You can't have role-play if you don't actually role-play.
(Responding to a previous post) Actually, I find the cop admins to be more responsive, as the ARPD can handle itself while the admin does what he/she has to do.

The admin team has nothing to do with a lack of role-play on this server. End of story. They do all they can do to ensure a safe and frill-free environment for us to use as a sketchpad for role-play. We decide "oh, there's so much leeway on this server! Let's break rules, knowing we can get away with it!" and sadly, most of the time we do. But banning every player for a rule break is not the way to go. We all need an attitude adjustment about how you play on here. Do you shout "freecop, don't waste my time!" or "admins, someone just killed me in our cops and robbers RP and I lost $30,000 in guns!"? If so, think again. Freecops are not horrible members here, believe it or not. Sure, some of them break rules, but only because they don't know the rules. If you don't know what rules you're breaking, what's stopping you from further breaking them?
And to those of you that complain every damned time you die in a role-play situation, please, save our eyes the trouble of reading your comments on /p. You bought guns (conscious decision), left the store, went near cops, didn't do very well, and died. That is all your fault.

Let me clear one last thing up: Deathmatching. Deathmatching is the conscious effort to kill everyone one sees on the server. It is not deathmatch if you are already role-playing something and someone kills you. I recently had a nice little RP with Eugene and the rest of Gvardia where they attempted to take over the Araatus complex. I, however, ran to my Buccaneer and grabbed a combat shotgun and began firing after Eugene counted down from 5 for us to leave. They all pulled guns and began firing. I was shot many times (as I realized I was the only member of Araatus with a gun there) and was killed. I didn't complain, even though other members of my group did.
How is this situation even close to DM? Really, deathmatch involves no role-play whatsoever, so even if someone comes up to you and does /me pulls a gun and presses it to XXX's head.
/me whispers: Say your prayers.
/me fires, pushing the lead bullet into XXX's temple.
That is not deathmatch, as there was role-play involved. You catch my drift?
Carjacking is also not a rule break if you do it in RP. If you do /me smashes the window and unlocks the door, pulling XXX out.
/me enters the car and slams on the gas.
This is not considered "carjacking". "Carjacking" as described in admin reports of new players involves senseless carjacking of any person to obtain their car for personal use. This means doing so with no ulterior motive, only to take their car quickly.

Those of you who get out of your car and begin shooting anyone that rams you accidentally or happens to have made your car (already with 25/100 carhp) explode... Why do you do that? I could drop so many names of people that deathmatch so many people for no reason other than their own stupidity. This includes a few of my own friends on here, which is very upsetting.

I dunno, sorry for the rant. If you read it, I appreciate it. Just remember guys... The owners and developers make this possible for us. The admins enforce their rules to ensure that this will be possible for us in the future. And the citizens of Argonath? We do everything else ;)
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Roadkill on July 21, 2009, 02:52:55 pm
June 06, good times.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Maxy on July 21, 2009, 03:02:07 pm
Hell, April 07 was awesome as well.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Wolfe on July 21, 2009, 03:04:26 pm
the only thing wich is ruining Argo is the moaning, Why people moan ? here's the answer, Argo (Not blaming server owners) Has became a, Get money and be rich RPG..People only RP if it will give money to them..back in 2.1, I remember people doing party's, spending Fuckloads of money just for RP, and didn't even caring about, But no..Nowadays noone wishes to RP, unless it gives them money, And Admins, Get 40 reports each 30 mins, And also have to handle moaners, /p flamers, People pm'ing them for money or help, + friends trying to talk..We, lost the Hability or Rp'ing, I just hope there's a way to fix this..
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Myggen on July 21, 2009, 03:20:26 pm
the only thing wich is ruining Argo is the moaning, Why people moan ? here's the answer, Argo (Not blaming server owners) Has became a, Get money and be rich RPG..People only RP if it will give money to them..back in 2.1, I remember people doing party's, spending f**kloads of money just for RP, and didn't even caring about, But no..Nowadays noone wishes to RP, unless it gives them money, And Admins, Get 40 reports each 30 mins, And also have to handle moaners, /p flamers, People pm'ing them for money or help, + friends trying to talk..We, lost the Hability or Rp'ing, I just hope there's a way to fix this..

Ye is pretty much one of the reason.
But, Admins dont only got 40 report, we are up in 100 reports in 30 min.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Legolas on July 21, 2009, 03:47:41 pm
The old Argonath was really great. I miss these times...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Jserg on July 21, 2009, 03:54:02 pm
Remove money from game.. About 20-40 people will leave, Real RPers will stay
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Syn on July 21, 2009, 03:55:30 pm
I miss you Legolas :(

Stanly you still havent explained your comment?! lol

-Syn
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Kessu on July 21, 2009, 04:27:37 pm
I guess I can say this as I have experience to be admin and a reqular...

Admin job is not easy (no, I did not leave because of it's hard). Once (dunno how) I was just Rping around and checked /admins (while i was admin), there were no-one else... Then I looked chat with PgUp.. There were over 10 reports I didn't even saw, because I was roleplaying... All was about carjacking, DMing, flaming trough PM.... Which means everything could be handled by themselves..
Every single time I made report (as reqular), I know admins really did something, as that player suddenly stopped breaking that rule and moved to next one :roll:
I am trying to resolve as many situations as possible for me by SPEAKING to rulebreaker in a POLITE way... Not just saying in /p "F#ck you #sshole, stop ruining our RP newB".. That does not help anything, because everybody don't check at main chat all the time...
Requlars can't understand that SPEAKING to rulebreaker in a POLITE way is much more effective than whining in /p like a baby...

I'm pretty sure some reqular will answer to this by "I am doing so, why blaming me?"
I am not blaming EVERY reqular, they know it by themselves who I am talking about...
And the "RP" of reqular who whiner to /p... Usually it is "RP" for gaining money... And the time reqular used to whine in /p, he could use to advise rulebreaker to stop it...
Think it about that way.....
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Oliver on July 21, 2009, 05:11:55 pm
How is this situation even close to DM? Really, deathmatch involves no role-play whatsoever, so even if someone comes up to you and does /me pulls a gun and presses it to XXX's head.
/me whispers: Say your prayers.
/me fires, pushing the lead bullet into XXX's temple.
That is not deathmatch, as there was role-play involved. You catch my drift?

Actually deathmatching is killing with a RP reason.

For example, when you saw a person killing your friend and you managed to get away, you could randomly open fire on him the next time you see him as you had a RP reason.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Aragorn on July 21, 2009, 05:26:58 pm
This is not a topic for discussion is Aragorn right or no... Aragorn posted to people the real "Old Argonath" as it was...
I stated on the several positions:

- Moaners who demand more rules and strict registration with removing freecops and the same time cry about "oh how cool was Argonath before" - have no idea that real Old Argonath was totally opposite of what they demand...

- Moaners who cry about "oh other servers are REAL RPG servers" either lie to us in purpose or lie to themselves cos hardly can be called a REAL LIFE RPG server - the server where payday and admins rights can be bought through premium/golden/platinum accounts... And as it based on selling the game stuff, all such recruitment like "that server is cooler then Argonath" are a simple commercial to gain clients for themselves... Cos nothing can be cooler then RPG and friendly community with the strong anti-cheat system and with the possibility of scripts which are higher then any other RPG sever - and this all is on Argonath... And for free...

Discussion about "nothing can be changed" is not raised in the topic by the owner of topic... And as the co-owner of Argonath RPG I can assure - can be changed... Yes, can be lost some players... But sometimes it just needs to get rid of bacterias...

About admins - as the Leader of A-team of Argonath RPG I can assure you that abusive admins are getting in troubles... As about admins work - you can see part of it in database... There you can just for interest to count how many bans were done for one day and see that reports on abuse are not that a lot... I can give you the number: for 1.5 month Argonath RPG got 22 reports on abuse from admins side...

With the amount of bans and work on forums it is nothing and cannot even be named as abusive admins team...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Roadkill on July 21, 2009, 05:32:36 pm
Hell, April 07 was awesome as well.

This is true.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Custom on July 21, 2009, 06:29:57 pm
Why not start another server running old scripts, also called Argonath? :)
What we got to loose ? I guess the old scripts still exist somewhere ?
We'll probaly loose players on 4.0, but in a good way. They will leave 4.0 happy, and we will always be able to find them in the "new" server, which is still Argonath ;)
So there will only come something good from it, right ?
Everything there will be needed there is to have a couple of admins to look after rulebreakers - nothing more, as its not neccesarry to upgrade scripts and such things there ;) Everyone will be happy, on both servers.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Aragorn on July 21, 2009, 06:43:03 pm
Why should we start from the beginning? Besides it - it will change nothing...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: James_Alterlis on July 21, 2009, 08:15:02 pm
May - Nov. 2008 seem to be the best...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Jonas_Jack on July 21, 2009, 09:04:54 pm
What's mean start all from beggining ?
removing all new RS4 Features are returns to RS2 ?
Its gonna be a bit sad... :cry:
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: The_Wolf on July 21, 2009, 10:27:34 pm
You know what is REALLY bothering and the fault for all the "nostalgia" ?
Those "leet" roleplayers you all support and admire... What do the leet roleplayers do? All they do is moan and complain about the poor roleplay on Argonath, but ofcourse they do forget the most simple advise we give them:

IF YOU DON'T LIKE - LEAVE!!

If it was not them, it would've been as perfect as before.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Pandalink on July 21, 2009, 11:39:44 pm
Those "leet" roleplayers you all support and admire...

I don't support or admire anyone like that.

What do the leet roleplayers do? All they do is moan and complain about the poor roleplay on Argonath, but ofcourse they do forget the most simple advise we give them:

IF YOU DON'T LIKE - LEAVE!!

If it was not them, it would've been as perfect as before.

For once Legend, we agree. :lol:
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Pancher on July 21, 2009, 11:48:58 pm
You know what is REALLY bothering and the fault for all the "nostalgia" ?
Those "leet" roleplayers you all support and admire... What do the leet roleplayers do? All they do is moan and complain about the poor roleplay on Argonath, but ofcourse they do forget the most simple advise we give them:

IF YOU DON'T LIKE - LEAVE!!

If it was not them, it would've been as perfect as before.

People like to come up with bad excuses to stay cos Argonath is making people addicted to it :) But i agree, don't like it here? then leave if you can't try to make it better..
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Stanley_Taylor on July 22, 2009, 06:25:32 am
the only thing wich is ruining Argo is the moaning, Why people moan ? here's the answer, Argo (Not blaming server owners) Has became a, Get money and be rich RPG..People only RP if it will give money to them..back in 2.1, I remember people doing party's, spending f**kloads of money just for RP, and didn't even caring about, But no..Nowadays noone wishes to RP, unless it gives them money, And Admins, Get 40 reports each 30 mins, And also have to handle moaners, /p flamers, People pm'ing them for money or help, + friends trying to talk..We, lost the Hability or Rp'ing, I just hope there's a way to fix this..

 :bow:
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Alsatian on July 22, 2009, 06:40:03 am
I still support the 'Give players infinite money' idea, but hey, just my opinion.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Cofiliano on July 22, 2009, 01:36:52 pm
We talk ingame about this, we talk on forum about this, we talk about it all the time....


Less TALK, More Hard work, for bether Roleplay, and more fun!
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Pandalink on July 22, 2009, 02:13:56 pm
I still support the 'Give players infinite money' idea, but hey, just my opinion.

QFT :).
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Zippie on July 22, 2009, 03:02:46 pm
Belive me, Im so bored now if i got over 2 millions, i had alot more fun if i had like 50,000.
It was alot more fun if i started from Zero, you had to work and so on. Im always thinking about making RP Group - Truck company, but i quess noone would join it if there is no payment.
But i think Argonath should hire some new admins, there is many good regulars who knows rules and would like to be admin. You say admins are busy, but if there is more of them they wouldnt be so busy.

Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Pandalink on July 22, 2009, 03:22:00 pm
"Too many cooks spoil the broth".
If there are too many admins, then there will be total confusion.
We already have more then enough, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: rJCaiG on July 22, 2009, 03:26:39 pm
Agreed. Back in the day we had a small but highly trained admin team.
The admin team is kinda like IRL armies. A small but trained army will usually beat a large untrained army.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Maladoi on July 22, 2009, 07:23:05 pm
Damn i want the old argo rpg back ... not soo many scripts ... everything was behalf rp behalf learning to rp :)
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Boromir on July 22, 2009, 07:25:41 pm
Agreed. Back in the day we had a small but highly trained admin team.
The admin team is kinda like IRL armies. A small but trained army will usually beat a large untrained army.

True that... Even though I wasnt on SA:MP in the past, I know what it is like to have useless people in the team...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Sirricharic on July 22, 2009, 11:23:02 pm
     I remember it like yesterday :D September 06 gosh I feel old but Ron Please I beg

     BRING BACK THE SUNDAY LOTTERY!!!
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Roadkill on July 22, 2009, 11:52:20 pm
     I remember it like yesterday :D September 06 gosh I feel old but Ron Please I beg

     BRING BACK THE SUNDAY LOTTERY!!!

Yeah that was epic. I used to win a LOT. :lol:
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Sirricharic on July 23, 2009, 06:01:53 am
     I know you used to win so much I used to hate you I won first prize once :(
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Aragorn on July 23, 2009, 09:19:33 am
     I remember it like yesterday :D September 06 gosh I feel old but Ron Please I beg

     BRING BACK THE SUNDAY LOTTERY!!!

September 06... Look outside its 2009... And between them - a long time of your inactivity... Why suggest?
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Altair_Carter on July 23, 2009, 09:22:47 am
May - Nov. 2008 seem to be the best...
+1
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Bart_Schroten on July 23, 2009, 11:57:16 am
I agree with Aragorn. If we all help those new players, and learn them the rules, And if they know the rules, they can help again new players, so everyone know the rules, and you can help argonath, EVERYONE can. You dont have to be an admin, to help new players. I madede an Helping School for new players, N.H.S will be more active if i'm back from vacation. And i hope everyone will help Argonath and the new players. When i started, i dident know the rules. I knowed it was an RP server, and thats was it. I hope eveyone will help the new people on argonath. You Help Argonath with it.


Signed
        Bart Schroten
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: MrFrancis on July 23, 2009, 12:10:57 pm
I wonder how many times Aragorn said the word... "Fucking"
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Biesmen on July 23, 2009, 01:10:03 pm
I'm not playing Argonath for 3 years, so I don't know anything about the past, I'm used to the moaning, crying etc.
But if I read this... Argonath sounded much more fun in the past.. We should change..
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Mafs on July 23, 2009, 08:44:32 pm
I wonder how many times Aragorn said the word... "f**king"
7 times on the first post, and I did not include the 'f**k' lol :D
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Kessu on July 24, 2009, 03:06:40 am
ffs, I can't understand how people say there's no RP in Argonath... I just finished RPing (over 6hrs in straight) becus I got tired.. :(
It's not about the lack of Roleplay... It's about what the players are interested in... I could be normal SAMP reqular [Most of them, not all] (Which means just trying to earn shitloads of money and them be ego "I'm rich omfgz0r"...)

It's about ppl (like told before most of ppl, not all) are too interested about money, because it gets you "famous"... Playing here should be fun... RolePlay... Not just to earn shitloads of money and then try to be something what you are not..

If ppl  (most of 'em)  could just Roleplay more, instead of moaning, whining, earning those shitloads of money and other bullshit... Scripts are the best I've ever seen in Argonath... No need to remove even one of 'em.. Scripters made a great work to bring RS4 for us.. And requlars thanks them by abusing and saying "That script sucks" and other shit..

And sorry the language I've used.. I just put the facts to table...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Legolas on July 24, 2009, 02:54:19 pm
Wanna old Argonath RPG being back? Then stop pointing on admins.
I entered the server and i start play as taxi driver. After few minutes, someone jacked me infront of LSPD. What did i do? I run to police. I took me 3/4 minutes since someone interested on me. On question, how he can help me. I told that xxxx guy stole my car, and run away. Can he do somethin. What was the answer? Go to admin, its admin job. I ask him, why he is cop? On this question, he answered, that he will do somethin... and he run away. No comment for that. So if you guys/gals have such RP style... then good luck.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: TruthSvensson on July 24, 2009, 03:21:50 pm
Wanna old Argonath RPG being back? Then stop pointing on admins.
I entered the server and i start play as taxi driver. After few minutes, someone jacked me infront of LSPD. What did i do? I run to police. I took me 3/4 minutes since someone interested on me. On question, how he can help me. I told that xxxx guy stole my car, and run away. Can he do somethin. What was the answer? Go to admin, its admin job. I ask him, why he is cop? On this question, he answered, that he will do somethin... and he run away. No comment for that. So if you guys/gals have such RP style... then good luck.
But that is what admins say, when you get jacked report to admins, not suspect him. You or those admins are wrong on this then.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: rJCaiG on July 24, 2009, 03:48:01 pm
All depends on the situation - use your common sense.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Gandalf on July 24, 2009, 03:55:39 pm
But that is what admins say, when you get jacked report to admins, not suspect him. You or those admins are wrong on this then.
Not sure which admins say that.

Yes carjacking is not allowed and you can report to admins. But if you want to solve it as cop by suspecting, admins should not go against that. Of course the ZOMG RP-er who jacked your car will cry abuse and want cancelsuspect then...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Legolas on July 24, 2009, 04:58:38 pm
Indeed Gandalf.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Syn on July 24, 2009, 05:22:23 pm
Not sure which admins say that.

Yes carjacking is not allowed and you can report to admins. But if you want to solve it as cop by suspecting, admins should not go against that. Of course the ZOMG RP-er who jacked your car will cry abuse and want cancelsuspect then...

If someone carjacks me I put 100 m4 In there ass. To the response of "Omg DM" I put another 100 m4 in there ass. Atm i really dont see to many problems on argonath. i mean that sincerely. People will complain that its not the same. But they will ALWAYS come back. Why is that? Because argonath is the Dog bollocks when it comes to Communitys and Servers. I wouldnt want it any different.

Good Job guys :)

-Syn
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: TruthSvensson on July 24, 2009, 06:31:02 pm
Not sure which admins say that.

Yes carjacking is not allowed and you can report to admins. But if you want to solve it as cop by suspecting, admins should not go against that. Of course the ZOMG RP-er who jacked your car will cry abuse and want cancelsuspect then...
Ok, i can use the classic shotgun democracy on those jackers then  :lol:
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Gandalf on July 24, 2009, 07:11:12 pm
Ok, i can use the classic shotgun democracy on those jackers then  :lol:
Sure... just don't cyr about getting tempbanned or banned 'unfair'. :cop:
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Lucky on July 24, 2009, 08:16:15 pm
 In my oppinion the time around September 07 - February 08 was the best.
People cared of RP, e.g drugs, we had to RP all the drugs with /me, no one gave a shit about loosy commands, we had it in our fantasy.
Gang Roleplay was much more deep, same goes for Mafia RP. Now..it's all about the money and houses and cars ..
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Pandalink on July 24, 2009, 08:23:36 pm
Sure... just don't cyr about getting tempbanned or banned 'unfair'. :cop:

So wait, are we allowed to (supposing I didn't freeze them as an admin, although I would) shoot a carjacker? D:
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Mafs on July 24, 2009, 09:14:38 pm
So wait, are we allowed to (supposing I didn't freeze them as an admin, although I would) shoot a carjacker? D:
Nah.. he means that you can shoot them, but that you shouldn't moan if you get banned/tempbanned for it. ;)
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Syn on July 24, 2009, 09:18:19 pm
You shouldnt GET tempbanned for it tho. ITs Self defence. IF i was banned for shooting a carjacker well that would be it lol. Id hang up my Argonath underpants and leave.

But seriously. Idc if i get tempbanned for it. Carjacker trys it with me he will get a face full of M4 and "lol phags"

-Syn
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Aragorn on July 24, 2009, 09:40:24 pm
Nah.. he means that you can shoot them, but that you shouldn't moan if you get banned/tempbanned for it. ;)

If I would spectate anyone who was carjacked and started shooting the carjacker - I would not move a finger even to warn... But if we will allow such things server will be fool of deathmatching as players will start shoot everyone who's actions they did not like...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Rusty on July 24, 2009, 09:41:21 pm
You shouldnt GET tempbanned for it tho. ITs Self defence. IF i was banned for shooting a carjacker well that would be it lol. Id hang up my Argonath underpants and leave.

But seriously. Idc if i get tempbanned for it. Carjacker trys it with me he will get a face full of M4 and "lol phags"

-Syn

Cilvillian law on Argonath states that you can only use Melee or a Handgun in self defense againest your attacker anything bigger isn't.  (You can find this on ARPD Forum)   :)
Though this could be different now..
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Aragorn on July 24, 2009, 09:46:03 pm
In self-defense you can use any weapon  which is allowed on servers...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Rusty on July 24, 2009, 09:52:43 pm
In self-defense you can use any weapon  which is allowed on servers...

Guess ARPD needs to change it's laws then.   :lol:

You don't need to bring "Old Argonath" back, if your one of our Old Players simply hop into MTA:VC and you back into Old Times.  It worked for the few SA:MP players who joine dus yesterday.

If you say there's no RP in the Server(s), why not try get something going i know am most of the time walking around being a "Gangsta" and selling drugs, starting "bat" fights with people and generally being chased by people who wanna kill me.  That is my daily RP plus being a Cop, you don't need uber 1337 Situations and a ton of people to RP.  Walk around yourself and soon you'll find something.

Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Roadkill on July 24, 2009, 10:08:26 pm
In self-defense you can use any weapon  which is allowed on servers...

Thanks Ron, I'll pass that info on to S.W.A.T. Maybe then we can use a combat shotgun like every other criminal all of the time.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Syn on July 24, 2009, 10:10:01 pm
Im getting Vice city as we speak so ill be on MTA soon :)

Also. Swat use combats anyway. I has seen dem wiv ma swat watching goggles.

-Syn
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Mafs on July 24, 2009, 10:20:59 pm
If I would spectate anyone who was carjacked and started shooting the carjacker - I would not move a finger even to warn... But if we will allow such things server will be fool of deathmatching as players will start shoot everyone who's actions they did not like...
Well to be honest, nobody escapes with my car in one piece aslong as I'm carrying a weapon. And I have yet to get warned by an admin for it, so that's a good thing.
Same with if someone hits me (usually new people do this) I draw my weapon and aim at them, if they don't run then they'll get a little warning. Else they'll be shot, simple as that.

We can't always wait for admins to help us in situations as being DM'ed or being carjacked, sometimes we have to result into using violence. Nowadays I don't even mind getting jailed for it afterwards, I mean.. it's just $200 bucks, and the cops get some cash, everyone happy.

I must also say, sometimes I do moan. If I have to report someone 13 times before I get the littlest of response (for example someone jailing suspects whom you brought to jail in the first place, which happend to me today). Or someone using 9 cars in a police chase, without getting the slighest of help from the admins/high ranked cops within 15 minutes. (Yes it actually took around 13-15 minutes before the suspect was dealt with, refused to chase the suspect further though).

And yes, things like these can frustrate or even piss people off. We know the admins are not robots, but something as little as that shouldn't take 15 minutes, or would it?
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Aragorn on July 25, 2009, 11:25:15 pm
We can't always wait for admins to help us in situations as being DM'ed or being carjacked, sometimes we have to result into using violence.

If you can handle it yourself - why wait for admin?
If more players will handle deathmatchers themselves - admins will have more time for ruling events or playing themselves...
And that is the exactly Argonath "old times"...

What was better in old times?

- Less deathmatch? No... It was even worse... With spawn killing and deathmatching non stop 24/7
- Less carjacking? No... It was even more... Right now it decreased because of amount of regulars...
- Less hacking? No... Abusing the scripts/money cheating and hacking as it is was more damageable... As the scripts were new - more bugs, or unexpected usage - more abuse...  Hackers were armed heavily (hydras, miniguns, rocket launchers)... Nowadays their guns usually are unsynced...
- Community? Yes... Community was better... Less moaners, more players...

If someone hits me - I hit back... I even have no idea why should I report the deathmatcher to admins... Ramming is 70 % accidental... At least from my experience being UnderCover... From all freecops I met on server I was abused 0 times... 0 times and that is not a lie...

Time to think - if server owner states that he was not abused by freecops, maybe those who moan have nothing related to the Argonath style this server owner set from the beginning?

Then there is no point "Argonath was better" from such people...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Pancher on July 25, 2009, 11:45:42 pm
Guess ARPD needs to change it's laws then.   :lol:

I believe it's a bit outdated and not clear enough, will take a look on it the coming week. ;)
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Stanley_Taylor on July 26, 2009, 05:45:34 am
I agree with mafs.
If it's just a newbie who's carjacking/carkilling, why bother shooting? You might get /su by some freecop and then you have to explain yourself for atleast 5 minutes and end up getting jailed for 15 seconds. If you're getting carhumped, just keep dodging the car for a few minutes so an admin can actually see it. If you start shooting, you scare him off and the admins can't see a thing.
If a newbie deathmatcher keeps hitting you, just block the punches.

Got you... Heh, think all the main admins live in the same timezone as you? Complaining like this won't change anything. You know how to fill in a complaint the proper way. If you don't complain by the proper way, main administration simply doesn't need to move a single finger. You're spitting on the developers' face, who made the complaint e-mail system to be used for such messages, and worked on the forum trying to avoid this to happen.

From the "HP bug abuser" JayL.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Jserg on July 26, 2009, 09:25:30 am
If you can handle it yourself - why wait for admin?
If more players will handle deathmatchers themselves - admins will have more time for ruling events or playing themselves...
And that is the exactly Argonath "old times"...

What was better in old times?

- Less deathmatch? No... It was even worse... With spawn killing and deathmatching non stop 24/7
- Less carjacking? No... It was even more... Right now it decreased because of amount of regulars...
- Less hacking? No... Abusing the scripts/money cheating and hacking as it is was more damageable... As the scripts were new - more bugs, or unexpected usage - more abuse...  Hackers were armed heavily (hydras, miniguns, rocket launchers)... Nowadays their guns usually are unsynced...
- Community? Yes... Community was better... Less moaners, more players...

If someone hits me - I hit back... I even have no idea why should I report the deathmatcher to admins... Ramming is 70 % accidental... At least from my experience being UnderCover... From all freecops I met on server I was abused 0 times... 0 times and that is not a lie...

Time to think - if server owner states that he was not abused by freecops, maybe those who moan have nothing related to the Argonath style this server owner set from the beginning?

Then there is no point "Argonath was better" from such people...



Damn Aragorn is fucking right ...   :bow:
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Roadkill on July 26, 2009, 11:14:27 am
I agree with mafs.
If it's just a newbie who's carjacking/carkilling, why bother shooting? You might get /su by some freecop and then you have to explain yourself for atleast 5 minutes and end up getting jailed for 15 seconds. If you're getting carhumped, just keep dodging the car for a few minutes so an admin can actually see it. If you start shooting, you scare him off and the admins can't see a thing.
If a newbie deathmatcher keeps hitting you, just block the punches.

Got you... Heh, think all the main admins live in the same timezone as you? Complaining like this won't change anything. You know how to fill in a complaint the proper way. If you don't complain by the proper way, main administration simply doesn't need to move a single finger. You're spitting on the developers' face, who made the complaint e-mail system to be used for such messages, and worked on the forum trying to avoid this to happen.

From the "HP bug abuser" JayL.


Freedom of speech and all that.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Mafs on July 26, 2009, 12:37:43 pm
If you can handle it yourself - why wait for admin?
If more players will handle deathmatchers themselves - admins will have more time for ruling events or playing themselves...
And that is the exactly Argonath "old times"...

What was better in old times?

- Less deathmatch? No... It was even worse... With spawn killing and deathmatching non stop 24/7
- Less carjacking? No... It was even more... Right now it decreased because of amount of regulars...
- Less hacking? No... Abusing the scripts/money cheating and hacking as it is was more damageable... As the scripts were new - more bugs, or unexpected usage - more abuse...  Hackers were armed heavily (hydras, miniguns, rocket launchers)... Nowadays their guns usually are unsynced...
- Community? Yes... Community was better... Less moaners, more players...

If someone hits me - I hit back... I even have no idea why should I report the deathmatcher to admins... Ramming is 70 % accidental... At least from my experience being UnderCover... From all freecops I met on server I was abused 0 times... 0 times and that is not a lie...

Time to think - if server owner states that he was not abused by freecops, maybe those who moan have nothing related to the Argonath style this server owner set from the beginning?

Then there is no point "Argonath was better" from such people...

Hmm, in the past this wasen't really clear. Usually if someone gets hit by a deathmatcher and he fights back, that person is usually the one that ends up getting punished. I think this is why people are usually more afraid to attack back, hence why they report. But if the admins are busy, and he reports and he doesn't get any response people might end up getting frustrated, this usually causes them to flood/'moan' and right at that moment the admins appear to have time to warn you. But not the one you reported.

From my own experience, I can say this is really frustrating and usually pisses me off to a certain extend where I usually got a tempban.
Same is for carjacking/hackers etc.

From what I've also seen, is that if someone is hacking, he usually gets a ban within a minute. But if you report someone for let's say.. carjacking/deathmatching (although deathmatching is usually part of hackers) it takes a rather long time before you get any 'visual' response. I'm also not saying that the admins do not do anything, but it takes a LONG time before we get a 'visual' response to these kind of reports.

On another note, if we let's say kill the deathmatcher/carjacker that attacked/jacked us, do we have right on an unsuspection? This is also very unclear, as one admin unsuspects you for it, and the other doesn't.

I like Argonath alot, altough you wouldn't say that with my history .. But the main problem here is (I think) that certain things are not clear enough, like the situation above. It happens alot that one admin claims something else than the other this, this causes tremendous problems between the line of player and admin and usually ends into someone flaming and getting banned in the end.

So my suggestion is, (yes more suggestions) to make some things more clear, so that the admin team forms one front and punished/handles things rather the same way.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Alsatian on July 26, 2009, 12:50:29 pm
See, this is what I don't understand. I was attacked once by a heavily armed player, and obviously I shot back. But, after I was warned for encouraging DM. I can't remember the admin who warned me (and I doubt he'd appreciate me saying his name).

So, did I do something against the rules here? Or was it generally just a misunderstanding?
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Aragorn on July 26, 2009, 01:43:34 pm
That was the thing why several admins were removed from A-Team... As they were making their own rules according to their view on a "zomg roleplay"...

Argonath was always stating the "You can defend yourself if you are attacked... The one difference is for cops - they have to suspect first... But that is on choice of cops - wanna they try to suspect while being attacked or wanna they report the admins...

The same goes to members - you can report an admin OR to defend yourselves...

But as usual players were abusing this possibility too - they were answering on deathmatch attack and when got killed - start moaning to admins about deathmatcher... You should understand it - if you take a responsibility to attack dmer back - you took the case in YOUR own hands and admins are free from it...

And if you killed a deathmatcher you are not allowed to start moaning to remove your wanted level...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Freedom on July 26, 2009, 01:56:00 pm
Do You still have the "old scripts" stored somewhere? cause we should use them on xmas or new year for a tiny bit time. :P
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Mafs on July 26, 2009, 08:14:54 pm
That was the thing why several admins were removed from A-Team... As they were making their own rules according to their view on a "zomg roleplay"...

Argonath was always stating the "You can defend yourself if you are attacked... The one difference is for cops - they have to suspect first... But that is on choice of cops - wanna they try to suspect while being attacked or wanna they report the admins...

The same goes to members - you can report an admin OR to defend yourselves...

But as usual players were abusing this possibility too - they were answering on deathmatch attack and when got killed - start moaning to admins about deathmatcher... You should understand it - if you take a responsibility to attack dmer back - you took the case in YOUR own hands and admins are free from it...

And if you killed a deathmatcher you are not allowed to start moaning to remove your wanted level...
Clear as a glass of water. If this also applies to abusive freecops, we can just kill them too? :)
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Aragorn on July 26, 2009, 10:06:16 pm
Clear as a glass of water. If this also applies to abusive freecops, we can just kill them too? :)

First you should be clear if they are really abusers... As I saw from the reports - most of them are fake... If a player is falsely accusing other players in "abuse", for sure his shooting at cop will be a deathmatch... If cop suspected you, and you accepted the wanted level and decided better to die then to report the admins - who is against then?
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: TheRock on July 26, 2009, 11:41:11 pm
topic says all the truth.... lets hope some people will just change, and just damn forget the other assholes who tried to destroy us [argo].

ps to argo haters:
argo has made a history. you cant erase it. it will be there and all over the world for ever ;)
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Stanley_Taylor on July 27, 2009, 07:08:04 am
But as usual players were abusing this possibility too - they were answering on deathmatch attack and when got killed - start moaning to admins about deathmatcher... You should understand it - if you take a responsibility to attack dmer back - you took the case in YOUR own hands and admins are free from it...

And if you killed a deathmatcher you are not allowed to start moaning to remove your wanted level...

Just a side note: I know you're playing under normal nicknames, trying to hide who you really are. As you're well aware, it doesn't take long before the whole server knows who you or gandalf are. When you warn/kick/ban or whatever a player while you're not on the admins list, everyone knows it's one of you two.
I hope I'm misunderstanding what you're saying here. Basically what you're saying is that when Player A is deathmatching Player B and Player B has reported Player A for it, but doesn't wanna die ( because he doesn't wanna loose his guns ) and decides to fight back, admins are not supposed to look in to it? Then the deathmatcher is in the clear?
So I got a question for you admins: What's your estimate of the percentage when one civilian has reported another civilian for deathmatching and he attacks him back (while you both see them in the same area)? Surely that's 99 percent isn't it?
I rest my case.  :bye:
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Kessu on July 27, 2009, 02:27:03 pm
Hmm.. I'll say my opinion to this...
If you get DMed, you can report or fight back as Aragorn said.. If you report, run first then report and keep running. He'd sure follow you if he is DMer.. I usually fight back to DMer, even with fists...
About carjacking, IMO you should be able to shoot carjacker to car, or then report...
Ramming, accident or in purpose? That is hard to know, but usually it is lag ram or move YOU make while driving.. Of course there are couple of new players who don't know it's not allowed and rams you..
Self-denfese - not cancelsuspect.. If you use "too much" force in self-defensing IRL, you will be the one who is jailed and original attacker is at morgue..

It would save alot of admins time if you handle DMers by youself, maybe self-defense and then tell them in PM that it is not allowed... etc... Atleast that is what I try to do...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Jubin on July 27, 2009, 03:06:00 pm
Well, yes I agree with RON's opinion and that makes me even more amazed, that when I choose to defend myself against the deathmatcher- kill him- get the wanted status then admins ask me, if it was self-defense and I say "yes" then they take my wanted status away. Like please, It is my choice and I would really want to keep my wanted status, just so that cops would get more money by arresting/killing me.

One more thought - Deathmatchers as weird as it may sound are important part of Argonath RPG. They give cops work, a lot more than roleplayers do. Also( this is from MTA:VC experience) when there is no admin around, they unite us. Because roleplayers usually choose to fight back to deathmatchers together.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Petey on July 28, 2009, 12:59:08 am
im with jubin :) i remember the times in mta, even as an admin, if i had a dm attacking me (i was mostly a cop on mtavc) i would suspect them for attacking an officer, take them out in a police matter, and after i did that i would explain to that player what he did wRONg.

its the same with SAMP now, if i get attacked and i have weapons on me i will fight back (tho i mostly get killed because i have no skills any more), then i let the cops jail me to get some cash. i just think people need to grab a glass of cement and harden the **** up. like really people only need to stop moaning every second and we could get back to some good rping. :)
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Alsatian on July 28, 2009, 02:34:16 am
Thank you for clearing that up for me, Aragorn. I was just confused whether I was doing something wrong or not.  :razz:

Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Sirricharic on July 29, 2009, 07:00:57 am
     If anyone cares hear me out on this, well my hypothesis is that the reason the community is not like it used to be is because there is just too many people. Everyone is doing their own thing like in VC it was to the point that everyone was acquainted with each other. While its not like that to this day I have no answer. There is no community activities anymore, everyone is going around doing what they "think" is RP but while their views on it have been distorted this is why they think that its Argonath when in reality it is the players. With SAMP and VCMP there are too many fancy things that make the game to realistic, simplicity is always better than complexity. MTA 0.5 didn't have all the new stuff like /enter and custom maps. It was simple to the fact that you could use your imagination and have fun with the game with other people. Like when you go to the Malibu you could be like /me is dancing on Sally and her man Jim beats my ass and it would be all good because it wouldn't be like SAMP where you actually dance and get your ass beat. Also, in the old times like in 06 there were more activities like the sunday lottery, derbies at the hotring, Marathons, street races, and fun stuff like that where a group of people can get to know each other and have fun. Not like today where you think fun is making money and taking over the world and having the mentality of fuck the world its all about me and that is all I care about. If there were more organized community events the community would be more friendlier that is my hypothesis.

Post Merge: July 29, 2009, 07:05:08 am
September 06... Look outside its 2009... And between them - a long time of your inactivity... Why suggest?

     Not really actually I am on like a lot in game on my laptop but I don't do much since my fps is low, also I'm not very active on the forums for the simple fact I don't know what is going on.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Aragorn on July 29, 2009, 08:59:08 am
Sirricharic,

The problem is not in MANY people... It is NOT a problem of amount...
I can even tell you that as soon as we opened server we started getting people from other RPG servers of cos... And guess what was the first impression of Aragorn to Gandalf?
Aragorn: SA:MP has so many crying kiddies!  :wow:

from the first steps we already noticed that the SA:MP community was totally different from our MTA:VC community we used to...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: MikeUK on July 29, 2009, 09:41:20 am
The biggest problem is groups.

There are so many groups who think the server is just like GTA Single player. Do what you want how the hell you want to.

They provoke the freecops into getting angry with them so they retaliate with bad suspect reasons, then the members of these groups who are abused whine in main chat giving new players and free cops a bad name.

Another thing is the lack of guidance to new players. They are dumped in the middle of nowhere on first spawn and given the most demotivational skin. The vast majority of new players don't speak or read English so their first words on the server are in foreign languages and nobody else can understand it (They should have the message written in more than one language. For example French, German, Spanish, Chinese ect.. Because if they can't speak English how the hell can they read it?

Then when the new player finds people they don't know how to interact with them so they punch them. They see the police and think it's a cops vs. robbers server and provoke the police or become the police to avoid /su.

The way I view it we should not allow groups such as (and I am not picking on these groups) Cems and Gvardia to exist because I have witnessed it first hand, they provoke the new players.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Chase on July 29, 2009, 10:02:45 am
IMO, Even if RS2 scripts were put back.. People would still whine because of "Lack of RP".

Because ever since the widespread of real life RP servers, people new to RP will most likely thing RP is "Real life". Its NOT.

Go on ign, or another gaming website, look up World of Warcraft. Look at the category. It states "RPG" or "Role Playing".

World of Warcraft is FAR from Real Life roleplay. Do you see wizards and people walking around town with swords in real life? No! But World of Warcraft is considered a RP game.

Basically I am saying. Roleplay is NOT "Real Life Roleplay".

Theres a lot of people that think just because a player don't act exactly like they should in real life, then that player is considered a "Non RPer". Where do people get these ideas? Real life roleplay servers that have Godfather-like scripts.

Do you see "Argonath Real Life Roleplay" as the server title? Nope. It says "Argonath RPG RS4.0"

You wanna play by "metagaming" and "powergaming" rules on argonath? Okay do it. BUT DON'T TRY TO ENFORCE IT ON OTHERS. And DON'T MOAN IF THEY DON'T PLAY BY THOSE NON EXISTANT RULES.

Are you tired of everyone "Non RPing" or "Metagaming" or "Powergaming"? Do you just want people to follow by those rules? I know something that will make it all better for you!! LEAVE! Yup its that simple. There are aprox. 1.5 million real life servers that enforce such rules.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Nexxt on July 29, 2009, 10:28:42 am
The biggest problem is the fucking money.

Look at the birthday, how many people moaning about a freaking payday.
Cmon guys get over it, everything is cheap, so why do you need like 300M?

Stop goddamn crying about money, and it will already help a bit to have fun here..

Yesterday, I did a nice roleplay with Joey_DeRossi at the Persing Square food-stands.
Guess how much money I needed for that roleplay and how long it took?

Money needed: 7$
Time roleplay: 1,5 hour

So seriously, stop moaning, its making me and other players freaking annoyed.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Zippie on July 29, 2009, 11:09:47 am
The biggest problem is the f**king money.

Look at the birthday, how many people moaning about a freaking payday.
Cmon guys get over it, everything is cheap, so why do you need like 300M?

Stop goddamn crying about money, and it will already help a bit to have fun here..

Yesterday, I did a nice roleplay with Joey_DeRossi at the Persing Square food-stands.
Guess how much money I needed for that roleplay and how long it took?

Money needed: 7$
Time roleplay: 1,5 hour

So seriously, stop moaning, its making me and other players freaking annoyed.


I agree. Im sad they are removing only 20,000 if you ask payday, They should remove all.
Ye, yesterday i had idea to start selling some hotdogs at Pershing Square, first some newbies bought hotdogs and it was so sweet, they dont know how to rp etc but they was still trying. Than some regulars came in too. Anyway it was great RP there and i will sell some more hotdogs in future.
And moaning instead of new player, why cant you do something? Teach them, if you get abused by freecop first thing you do is start whining in public chat, instead of that tell him where he can learn and what he did wrong, than ask unsuspect from admin by PM. Simple. Yesterday, New player asked help in public chat but had Caps on, many people just answered: Caps off. Was that hard to write some more words and help him? :(
Sorry about my bad english.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Aragorn on July 29, 2009, 11:34:44 am
Go on ign, or another gaming website, look up World of Warcraft. Look at the category. It states "RPG" or "Role Playing".

World of Warcraft is FAR from Real Life roleplay. Do you see wizards and people walking around town with swords in real life? No! But World of Warcraft is considered a RP game.

Basically I am saying. Roleplay is NOT "Real Life Roleplay".

That is simple - EVERY game is a ROLE playing game... :)
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Pandalink on July 29, 2009, 02:04:02 pm
You wanna play by "metagaming" and "powergaming" rules on argonath? Okay do it. BUT DON'T TRY TO ENFORCE IT ON OTHERS. And DON'T MOAN IF THEY DON'T PLAY BY THOSE NON EXISTANT RULES.

Amen to that.

That is simple - EVERY game is a ROLE playing game... :)

So you're saying that in Counterstrike, we are roleplaying a counter terrorist unit?
Because you're right. :D
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Aragorn on July 29, 2009, 09:43:55 pm
So you're saying that in Counterstrike, we are roleplaying a counter terrorist unit?
Because you're right. :D

Exactly... Just there two types... One type - the standard multiplayers from the game developers, where you have to chose from what is suggested... And another type - right appeared with the GTA multiplayers of VC and SA - free roleplay... Where you can chose any character you wanna be and does not mean this character must be scripted (forced)...

That is why Argonath RPG is a Free Roleplay...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Ajeesh on July 29, 2009, 09:50:15 pm
Quote
World of Warcraft is FAR from Real Life roleplay. Do you see wizards and people walking around town with swords in real life? No! But World of Warcraft is considered a RP game.

Win.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Kessu on July 30, 2009, 08:50:18 pm
IMO, Even if RS2 scripts were put back.. People would still whine because of "Lack of RP".

Because ever since the widespread of real life RP servers, people new to RP will most likely thing RP is "Real life". Its NOT.

Go on ign, or another gaming website, look up World of Warcraft. Look at the category. It states "RPG" or "Role Playing".

World of Warcraft is FAR from Real Life roleplay. Do you see wizards and people walking around town with swords in real life? No! But World of Warcraft is considered a RP game.

Basically I am saying. Roleplay is NOT "Real Life Roleplay".

Theres a lot of people that think just because a player don't act exactly like they should in real life, then that player is considered a "Non RPer". Where do people get these ideas? Real life roleplay servers that have Godfather-like scripts.

Do you see "Argonath Real Life Roleplay" as the server title? Nope. It says "Argonath RPG RS4.0"

You wanna play by "metagaming" and "powergaming" rules on argonath? Okay do it. BUT DON'T TRY TO ENFORCE IT ON OTHERS. And DON'T MOAN IF THEY DON'T PLAY BY THOSE NON EXISTANT RULES.

Are you tired of everyone "Non RPing" or "Metagaming" or "Powergaming"? Do you just want people to follow by those rules? I know something that will make it all better for you!! LEAVE! Yup its that simple. There are aprox. 1.5 million real life servers that enforce such rules.

This post FTW
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Altair_Carter on July 30, 2009, 11:03:21 pm
So you're saying that in Counterstrike, we are roleplaying a counter terrorist unit?
Because you're right. :D
You fail, as it's actually right.
Imagine you're playing as Counter Terrorist Unit. It's a role in game, in which you have to defeat Terrorists to save the day! Gotta agree with Aragorn - Every game has role play, but not the RP (Like on Argonath Server, where you give eachother money, be scared of robbers and etc).(It may be called Real-Life simulation)
Even on Cops 'N' Robbers server is role-play.
Playing as cop - your Role is to catch criminals.
Playing as criminal - Your role to piss off cops.
Simply complicated, eh?
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: 9r2e5i3k on July 30, 2009, 11:26:24 pm
tl;dr version:

In every game you have a role to play.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Rusty on July 30, 2009, 11:31:31 pm
The biggest problem is the f**king money.

Look at the birthday, how many people moaning about a freaking payday.
Cmon guys get over it, everything is cheap, so why do you need like 300M?

Stop goddamn crying about money, and it will already help a bit to have fun here..

Yesterday, I did a nice roleplay with Joey_DeRossi at the Persing Square food-stands.
Guess how much money I needed for that roleplay and how long it took?

Money needed: 7$
Time roleplay: 1,5 hour

So seriously, stop moaning, its making me and other players freaking annoyed.


QFT.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Courage on August 01, 2009, 09:16:24 pm
nah, u can't RP in every game
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: MikeUK on August 01, 2009, 09:28:35 pm
nah, u can't RP in every game
Yes you can.
I.E: Space Invaders you assume the role (play the role) of the cannon.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Y2JFaN on August 02, 2009, 02:55:26 am
I don't really care about money as much as I used to, but when I get scammed or because of some lame cop abusing, i still get POd,  not because I lost money, but because They GOT money they do not deserve, and when i tell them about it they say 'omg u money hungry idiot' or some crap, I say, 'Money hungry? Your the one scamming (or abusing) for money!'


Yes, money can sometime make more RP, such as being able to buy a home / car, or maybe weapons for gang / mafia RP, but people want to cry about it so much, maybe money should just be erased...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Aksel on August 02, 2009, 05:03:17 am
IMO, Even if RS2 scripts were put back.. People would still whine because of "Lack of RP".

Because ever since the widespread of real life RP servers, people new to RP will most likely thing RP is "Real life". Its NOT.

Go on ign, or another gaming website, look up World of Warcraft. Look at the category. It states "RPG" or "Role Playing".

World of Warcraft is FAR from Real Life roleplay. Do you see wizards and people walking around town with swords in real life? No! But World of Warcraft is considered a RP game.

Basically I am saying. Roleplay is NOT "Real Life Roleplay".

Theres a lot of people that think just because a player don't act exactly like they should in real life, then that player is considered a "Non RPer". Where do people get these ideas? Real life roleplay servers that have Godfather-like scripts.

Do you see "Argonath Real Life Roleplay" as the server title? Nope. It says "Argonath RPG RS4.0"

You wanna play by "metagaming" and "powergaming" rules on argonath? Okay do it. BUT DON'T TRY TO ENFORCE IT ON OTHERS. And DON'T MOAN IF THEY DON'T PLAY BY THOSE NON EXISTANT RULES.

Are you tired of everyone "Non RPing" or "Metagaming" or "Powergaming"? Do you just want people to follow by those rules? I know something that will make it all better for you!! LEAVE! Yup its that simple. There are aprox. 1.5 million real life servers that enforce such rules.


QFT.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: hijol_goswami on August 02, 2009, 06:13:49 am
i agree with others we need more taxi and transportations back on track and we need old one with less bugs possible it is full of bugs any ways yes want the old one back!!!!!  :cop: :cop: :cop:
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Aksel on August 02, 2009, 06:25:42 am
i agree with others we need more taxi and transportations back on track and we need old one with less bugs possible it is full of bugs any ways yes want the old one back!!!!!  :cop: :cop: :cop:

You never played on the old scripts.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Jserg on August 02, 2009, 07:04:46 am
You dont want Rs2 back.. it sucks really

RS4 is awesome. really good... Scripts doesnt fucks up the server, people do
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Zaila on August 02, 2009, 02:58:57 pm
Scripts doesnt f**ks up the server, people do

That's true.. No matter how many commands the admins gets, it's down to the players in the end. It's only we players that can change the server atmosphere and get it back to what it was, so there is no need to scream to get the old script back.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: VeLuX on August 03, 2009, 12:06:09 am
Sry aragorn but i still think you Delovpers have Destroyed the RolePlay on the server, Example Freecops can suspect ppl just for speeding not RP anymore, i mean you guys showly kill the comunity, it is not RolePlay server anymore.. now it is more a Cops & Robbers

my wish number 1 is Get the old rules back as they was before
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Pandalink on August 03, 2009, 12:16:51 am
my wish number 1 is Get the old rules back as they was before

Before when?
Did you play in 2007?

Back in 2007, there wasn't even really a law against speeding. Now and again though cops did suspect for it, and the newly suspected guy went to buy lots of guns and went for a good old fashioned fight with cops.
No problems there.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Sirricharic on August 03, 2009, 05:47:49 am
    Well this can be solved with a simple economic stimulus of 10k :D (For people whos nick starts with S and ends with C) But There should be like 4 smaller servers instead of 1 big servers. Just like my school when it got taken over by a charter instead of 1 big school that was underperforming. They made it 4 smaller schools that are improving.  It would make it easier to manage with less people and if someone makes you mad on one server you can solve the problem of people being sad over houses that arent sold, cars not sold and cars not in place.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: MikeUK on August 03, 2009, 06:10:37 am
We need taking off the official list for sometime just to see if our role play increases. What happens at the moment is people see the server on the official list and join it not knowing what to do and break the rules.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Aksel on August 03, 2009, 06:11:23 am
We need taking off the official list for sometime just to see if our role play increases. What happens at the moment is people see the server on the official list and join it not knowing what to do and break the rules.

+1
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: rJCaiG on August 03, 2009, 07:59:18 am
I HATE the speeding rule.
It's san andreas for goodness sakes!!!
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Pandalink on August 03, 2009, 08:27:55 am
I HATE the speeding rule.
It's san andreas for goodness sakes!!!

QFT.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: 9r2e5i3k on August 03, 2009, 10:50:12 am
You guys are not serious.
Sry aragorn but i still think you Delovpers have Destroyed the RolePlay on the server, Example Freecops can suspect ppl just for speeding not RP anymore, i mean you guys showly kill the comunity, it is not RolePlay server anymore.. now it is more a Cops & Robbers

my wish number 1 is Get the old rules back as they was before

Of course, moan about Devs destroying the server when they implemented ideas suggested by players!
Why there are freecops? Because ARPD didn't want to share the (bad, abusive, etc) opinion with new players. But it didn't fix the problem too well. I am not against removing freecops - but that means they will look the SAME as ARPD officers. Maybe that will be a better solution, new players would get respected more if assumed they are normal officers.

We need taking off the official list for sometime just to see if our role play increases. What happens at the moment is people see the server on the official list and join it not knowing what to do and break the rules.
Taking off the server from the Official list won't fix "lack of role play" won't fix the problem of untrained players AT ALL. Instead of moaning, start teaching the new players how to play. It will give BETTER and FASTER effects.

I HATE the speeding rule.
It's san andreas for goodness sakes!!!
QFT.
Guys, learn to slow down when cops are around and speed out when they aren't looking.  :hah:
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Aragorn on August 03, 2009, 11:15:40 am
Sry aragorn but i still think you Delovpers have Destroyed the RolePlay on the server, Example Freecops can suspect ppl just for speeding not RP anymore, i mean you guys showly kill the comunity, it is not RolePlay server anymore.. now it is more a Cops & Robbers

my wish number 1 is Get the old rules back as they was before

Read again the first post of topic... If you cannot get the idea and come again with the SAME FAKE accusations - just fuck off...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Gandalf on August 03, 2009, 11:17:34 am
Sry aragorn but i still think you Delovpers have Destroyed the RolePlay on the server, Example Freecops can suspect ppl just for speeding not RP anymore, i mean you guys showly kill the comunity, it is not RolePlay server anymore.. now it is more a Cops & Robbers

my wish number 1 is Get the old rules back as they was before
We never set a rule that people can NOT suspect for speeding.
And there are a large number of other examples of players making their own rules and then demanding to enforce them.
So the ones who are destroying RP are the ones who want rules, rules, rules, rules and then cry about people breaking them....
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Aragorn on August 03, 2009, 11:18:21 am
I HATE the speeding rule.
It's san andreas for goodness sakes!!!

Hate the rules (which rules?) - resign from admins... I do not understand then what you do there in admins team...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Gandalf on August 03, 2009, 11:22:19 am
We need taking off the official list for sometime just to see if our role play increases. What happens at the moment is people see the server on the official list and join it not knowing what to do and break the rules.
Want to play on non-official server ? We do not stop you...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Aragorn on August 03, 2009, 11:28:56 am
1. Suspect for speeding is NOT a rule...
You can speed as much as you want only do not moan when cops suspect you for that... Respect the reinforcement of server...

2. Cops can suspect for speeding... Cops can ignore you... Cops can follow you and pull over for questioning...

3. Argonath never had rules that you cannot speed... There are 5 cops on server and kms of land - go and speed there as much as you want, but if you are driving like crazy in front of cops be ready they will suspect you if they saw your nick...
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: rJCaiG on August 03, 2009, 11:31:08 am
Hate the rules (which rules?) - resign from admins... I do not understand then what you do there in admins team...
sorry - i meant the LAW inforced by AVDS and ARPD.
I think it's silly to put a limit on how fast you can drive in a san andreas game, but I didn't say I don't follow it  ;)
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Aragorn on August 03, 2009, 11:47:42 am
What's silly in suspecting for speeding?
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: rJCaiG on August 03, 2009, 12:14:04 pm
I didn't say it's silly to suspect for speeding - I said I think it's wrong to put a speed limit on Grand Theft Auto games. Although i DO think it enhances the roleplay and adds more to the fun, but playing for 2 years and being able to speed around like a maniac has made me be against it =[
I'll get used to it though. It's there for the better and I accept that, i'm not going to argue to get rid of it, I was just stating how I dislike a speed limit :p
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Aragorn on August 03, 2009, 12:17:31 pm
If there is nothing silly in suspect for speeding there is nothing silly in speed limit as well...
Cops are not idiotas to drive after every speeder to check if he can control correct his car and will not ram someone by accident /report admin rammer!!! Help!!!
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Pancher on August 03, 2009, 12:32:39 pm
Keep in mind it's also an Role-playing server. Means we all take different Role to us, each Role have guidelines and laws to follow either made by the government (founder and leader's of community) or made together with the Community. We decide by ourselfs to come here and play this Role cos we like it here, or we like it but want to make it even better and more fun for everyone.

You either accept the laws and guidelines or your have to accept them till you suggested changes of them with some GOOD points on how to change it. Just claim "this or that is silly" will just be ignored.. If you don't like it here feel free to leave, no one never forced anyone to be or stay here.
Expect to be suspected for speeding if you drive above the speed limits if you pass a cop!!

Rules must be followed, You can BREAK Laws cos there is always an criminal who just must break it ;)
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: VeLuX on August 03, 2009, 01:33:58 pm
I HATE the speeding rule.
It's san andreas for goodness sakes!!!

Same do i, Police will not Suspect ppl IRL if they drive too fast. the thisng they will do is to Use sirens and follow & try to pull him over, not ´just suspect
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Indica on August 03, 2009, 02:27:33 pm
So you guys are arguing about how there is a speed limit on here? The speed limit is there to maintain a safe transportation system around the country. If you don't want to follow it, don't follow it, but if you're gonna break the law, expect to be punished for it.
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: LillMumin on August 03, 2009, 03:19:41 pm
Same do i, Police will not Suspect ppl IRL if they drive too fast. the thisng they will do is to Use sirens and follow & try to pull him over, not ´just suspect

They will SUSPECT the guy IRL. Becouse remember what suspecting means, if they see him speed, they will suspect that he is a reckless driver, and they will investigate and see. If cops see you speed, they will hunt you down, if your speeding only a little, they will fine you and warn. If its going atleast here in sweden, 10 km/h over the speedlimit, they will take your driver license.

Thats how it is IRL, so if you dont want that here, dont start talking about whats IRL and on Argo. Argonath, is a server on a GAME.

Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Nexxt on August 03, 2009, 04:57:20 pm
Same do i, Police will not Suspect ppl IRL if they drive too fast. the thisng they will do is to Use sirens and follow & try to pull him over, not ´just suspect

NO, if you speed to much IRL.

You will:
- Get a HIGH fine
- Probably lose License -> cannot drive car anymore

They can made that?
Without license no cardriving and when you speed to much we revoke your license.
And then you moan because you cannot drive a car.

Be happy you get suspected and not blocked from driving a car.....

The only difference from suspecting IRL and IG is..
That IRL, you don't get an orange name....
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: 9r2e5i3k on August 03, 2009, 05:07:19 pm
Police will not Suspect ppl IRL if they drive too fast.

Rofl guys... Of course cops won't suspect for speeding because real life does not have a suspect command.  :rofl:
Title: Re: Wanna old Argonath RPG being back?
Post by: Sirricharic on August 03, 2009, 07:11:58 pm
Rofl guys... Of course cops won't suspect for speeding because real life does not have a suspect command.  :rofl:

High 5 to that
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