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Title: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Aguila187 on December 21, 2010, 10:56:18 pm
Back in time, our admins used to ask questions to reported players, then punish if needed. It was fair for the both sides.
But nowadays I see a new fashion. When admins receive a report, they simply spectate the reported player for a second to check if the situation is similiar to report, then punish the player hardly. I mean, isn't that nonsense? Even if the reported player is guilty, shouldn't you have their opinion too, a look from their point of view? Can't you at least give them a few seconds to explain the situation?

I am not moaning or anything else. I believe that whoever dislikes the admin procedures/structure should f**k off as nobody is forcing them to stay here. That question is asked because such situations do hurt innocent people a lot.
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: lavamike on December 21, 2010, 11:08:26 pm
Hmm, when I can I usually attempt to ask for more details from the reporting player and other sources involved in the situation while watching the reported.
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: CaptainCrazy on December 21, 2010, 11:34:49 pm
It might look like it, but I can tell you that your perspective of it is definitely wrong.
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Huskar on December 21, 2010, 11:52:44 pm
It might look like it, but I can tell you that your perspective of it is definitely wrong.

^ this is the admin who ask for option always :))


and i really like your way of thinking Yuri :)
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: SafetyMoose on December 22, 2010, 12:19:49 am
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Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Boozman on December 22, 2010, 12:21:54 am
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Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: StrikeFreedom on December 22, 2010, 12:23:40 am
So. Instead of punishing people, we should teleport them into a darkened room, tie them to a chair, shine a bright torch in their face and interrogate them? Get real. We don't have time to ask every reported player "OMG Y U DM IDXX????????????????"
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Gimli on December 22, 2010, 12:29:24 am
When admins receive a report, they simply spectate the reported player for a second to check if the situation is similiar to report, then punish the player hardly. I mean, isn't that nonsense?

It is, however 99% of the time that doesn't happen. To punish someone, admins must witness the situation themselves. If you feel you were punished unfairly, send an e-mail to [email protected] explaining the situation. Be sure to include the time and date.
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Antonio. on December 22, 2010, 01:40:38 am
 I can't agree anymore with you. Most of my bans, it's been like this. It's just a straight punishment, with no discussion. This should really be changed because talking to the players will help both sides understand more. How ever, there are still admins that actually talk to the players, but not so many as there should be. Like, EliteTerm or Jimmy Cuneo. Those are my two favorite admins.

So. Instead of punishing people, we should teleport them into a darkened room, tie them to a chair, shine a bright torch in their face and interrogate them? Get real. We don't have time to ask every reported player "OMG Y U DM IDXX????????????????"
There's a reason a lot of people talk about you behind your back.
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: EminemRulez on December 22, 2010, 02:09:27 am
"OMG Y U DM IDXX????????????????"
Wrong question
it's more like:
"HAV U DM'D IDXX?????????????????"
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Kenny. on December 22, 2010, 03:06:20 am
It is common sense to investigate and ask both parties involved. Like gimili said admins should only take action if they witnessed it or some sort.

ps; Jimmy_cuneo my nigga, polite madafuckin admin unlike bluefox seriously dont get me started..
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Antonio. on December 22, 2010, 03:14:18 am


ps; Jimmy_cuneo my nigga, polite madaf**kin admin unlike bluefox seriously dont get me started..
Even though you're a complete ass. I agree with you.
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Leon. on December 22, 2010, 03:28:57 am
Everybody does it.

By it, I mean they take action like THAT and stick to their point of view, even if they think they're right. I do it, you do it, he does it, she does it... admin does it. The admin will often ban right as soon as they see something, sometimes throwing in assumptions (e.g., "/getout to avoid death," when in fact it was to not be banned for a different reason like "suicide as suspect"). They will then (we) convinced themselves (ourselves) that it is the truth, and then stick with it, even though they know its a lie.
/me coughs badly and hacks up some mucus and spits it into a nearby trash can
Often times, people like admins who are constantly under pressure and making decisions in such a short period of time do decisions that seem the quickest route out. I've done it too, but at least I am admitting it. I've kicked an inactive member from Gvardia for not carrying out an order, not knowing he was inactive and nor did I bother to ask him if he was, or notify him. Switch it to an administration case; ban somebody for ignoring admins when in fact they were afk while not even checking to see if they were afk.
Admins of all people should be afraid to admit their mistakes, because they are the authority figures. Without respect because of their previous mistakes, nobody will listen to them. But without learning from the previous mistake, they will continue to make that same mistake. The only mistake is the one not corrected.
/me coughs and hacks up even more mucus and spits it in his hands, rubbing them together and wiping them on his trousers
Well then, I guess I'm out of here.
/me coughs a bit more on his way
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Jamal on December 22, 2010, 05:12:44 am
So. Instead of punishing people, we should teleport them into a darkened room, tie them to a chair, shine a bright torch in their face and interrogate them? Get real. We don't have time to ask every reported player "OMG Y U DM IDXX????????????????"
u funny!!!!

Nope sorry StrikeFreedom, what his post is asking is that admins take consideration and question before action [Unless its extreme such as hacking or mass deathmatch.'

Example: Player1 shoots Player2. Player2 fights back and hits Player1, Player1 reports Player2 for DM. Admins comes and sees Player2 is assaulting Player1.

Then the problem. The admin punishes player 2 for DM, but really its self defense against Player1 who was the actual DMer.
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: StrikeFreedom on December 22, 2010, 12:06:47 pm
u funny!!!!

Nope sorry StrikeFreedom, what his post is asking is that admins take consideration and question before action [Unless its extreme such as hacking or mass deathmatch.'

Example: Player1 shoots Player2. Player2 fights back and hits Player1, Player1 reports Player2 for DM. Admins comes and sees Player2 is assaulting Player1.

Then the problem. The admin punishes player 2 for DM, but really its self defense against Player1 who was the actual DMer.

It is, however 99% of the time that doesn't happen. To punish someone, admins must witness the situation themselves.
So. Instead of punishing people, we should teleport them into a darkened room, tie them to a chair, shine a bright torch in their face and interrogate them? Get real. We don't have time to ask every reported player "OMG Y U DM IDXX????????????????"
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: StrikeFreedom on December 22, 2010, 12:12:03 pm
Without respect because of their previous mistakes
Admins barely get any respect now. Proof?:
ps; Jimmy_cuneo my nigga, polite madaf**kin admin unlike bluefox seriously dont get me started..



Each admin has a different way of dealing with situations. We are all from different waves and we were all trained differently. Common sense tells you this. Just grow the fuck up and deal with it. Stop bitching about how one admin does something you like, and another does something you don't. We have a complaint email for a reason - use it and stop crying like little girls. I am sick and tired of the shit administrators get, it's utterly ridiculous. We give our own fucking gameplay time to help you guys out and make the server a decent place to play on without 20 hackers running around. We get nothing for it yet you target us all the time for things, that most of the time, are your fucking problems.
Yeah, because a player is never wrong, it's always the admin....
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Gandalf on December 22, 2010, 12:18:22 pm
u funny!!!!

Nope sorry StrikeFreedom, what his post is asking is that admins take consideration and question before action [Unless its extreme such as hacking or mass deathmatch.'

Example: Player1 shoots Player2. Player2 fights back and hits Player1, Player1 reports Player2 for DM. Admins comes and sees Player2 is assaulting Player1.

Then the problem. The admin punishes player 2 for DM, but really its self defense against Player1 who was the actual DMer.
And the admin is correct to punish player 2.

The thing is if you are going to fight back, there is no sense in reporting, as admins are disallowed to act directly on a report from a player. They must witness the situation, and if they see player 2 attacking player 2, chances are that he gets punished.

If admin have time, they can investigate a report by questioning the players. If they are having a high work load, they will take less time and punish faster. If you see lots of reports with not many admins, help them out by not trying to require them to explain every move.
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Aguila187 on December 22, 2010, 12:28:05 pm
Each admin has a different way of dealing with situations. We are all from different waves and we were all trained differently. Common sense tells you this. Just grow the f**k up and deal with it. Stop bad girling about how one admin does something you like, and another does something you don't. We have a complaint email for a reason - use it and stop crying like little girls. I am sick and tired of the shit administrators get, it's utterly ridiculous. We give our own f**king gameplay time to help you guys out and make the server a decent place to play on without 20 hackers running around. We get nothing for it yet you target us all the time for things, that most of the time, are your f**king problems.
Yeah, because a player is never wrong, it's always the admin....
lol you're mad, go away. No one is moaning here except you.
Surely admins are humans too. I don't omit that. Not everyone can manage 100 players alone. Its both hard and  a glorious mission, wasting your gameplay time to help other players. I do have respect for admins, more than everyone.
But if they can't control their anger and can't live under the stress of being an admin, I believe its best for the community to not stay as one.

It might look like it, but I can tell you that your perspective of it is definitely wrong.
Please tell me whats wrong with it so I can fix it.
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Ben. on December 22, 2010, 12:35:21 pm
u funny!!!!

Nope sorry StrikeFreedom, what his post is asking is that admins take consideration and question before action [Unless its extreme such as hacking or mass deathmatch.'

Example: Player1 shoots Player2. Player2 fights back and hits Player1, Player1 reports Player2 for DM. Admins comes and sees Player2 is assaulting Player1.

Then the problem. The admin punishes player 2 for DM, but really its self defense against Player1 who was the actual DMer.

Lolz...I actually agree with this.
Gandalf, they are correct to punish player 2 for DMing or whatever, but it should be less harshly. If some guy IRL started punching you, you would call the cops, then defend yourself, yes?

I know this is a stupid example in a school, but anyway:
Bob1 starts punching Bob2, who then asks his friend to get a teacher. By the time the teacher gets back, Bob2 is defending himself by any means necessary, kicking, punching, and whatever else.
The teacher punishes Bob1 and Bob2.

^ This is how it goes at my school anyway. They do not take into account that Bob1 started it, and Bob2 was acting in self-defense.




Admins should be given respect, even if they make mistake. They were chosen for a reason, respect that. Any issues you have should go to [email protected].
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: StrikeFreedom on December 22, 2010, 12:54:25 pm
lol you're mad, go away. No one is moaning here except you.
Surely admins are humans too. I don't omit that. Not everyone can manage 100 players alone. Its both hard and  a glorious mission, wasting your gameplay time to help other players. I do have respect for admins, more than everyone.
But if they can't control their anger and can't live under the stress of being an admin, I believe its best for the community to not stay as one.
Of course, certainly you are the best person to decide that.
No-one knows what it is like to be an admin on Argonath until you have been one. You have no right to criticise our procedures or our team. Opinions like that shoul dbe kept to yourself. There are some on the team, including those higher than admins, who do not take players shitting on administration lightly...
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Emre on December 22, 2010, 12:55:44 pm
So. Instead of punishing people, we should teleport them into a darkened room, tie them to a chair, shine a bright torch in their face and interrogate them? Get real. We don't have time to ask every reported player "OMG Y U DM IDXX????????????????"
THIS belongs to my signature as the "LOL of the century".

Also it shows,that you can't respect anothers thought / opinion = Wow,you're still an admin.You should be polite.

It's true,there are a few admins (The first ever who comes in my mind about that is Jimmy Cuneo now. ) who have screwed around,on their keyboard,that automatically writes "/BAN" on your message,it happens too fast to let someone explain,or apologize (To lower the punishment or to show regret).At some point it sounds crazy ,but at some point it's true.




Oh yeah,Dave.You're not strict,you're blended.I'm sorry.
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: StrikeFreedom on December 22, 2010, 12:57:58 pm
Polite? I am polite to those who are polite to me.
You do not know me at all, so who the fuck are you to lecture me?
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Aguila187 on December 22, 2010, 01:00:23 pm
You have no right to criticise our procedures or our team.
who the f**k are you to lecture me?
Ok Tony Montana, we don't f**k with you sir, ok?

lol you're still mad boy, calm down.
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: StrikeFreedom on December 22, 2010, 01:02:32 pm
lol you're still mad boy, calm down.
Go back to /b/, troll.
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Emre on December 22, 2010, 01:03:30 pm
Polite? I am polite to those who are polite to me.
You do not know me at all, so who the f**k are you to lecture me?
If i check the first posts of this topic,i clearly see that you started to go like "OMG I AM SARCASTIC I AM KOOL".So ; No,you clearly want to be polite to those,you randomly like.

Oh yeah i know you.Your name is David,you're an admin,you have issues with controlling your anger.
You never give others a chance to show what they think.But once YOU say something,they receive a warning / kick / ban / whatsoever for NOT listening to you.Don't you think this is weird?

Oh yeah,don't say "who the fuck" again,if you refer to me.


EDIT : Now he's trying to be an hero
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: StrikeFreedom on December 22, 2010, 01:05:52 pm
Lol. You guys make me laugh. I'll say it again then, who the f**k are you to lecture and question me?
Controlling anger? No. It's called cracking down on shitters who drag the community down.
I never said I was "kool". Do not make false accusations.
I have recieved kicks and warnings in the past and they did not bother me. I dealt with them the proper way and didn't spread shit about the admin on the forums or ingame.

Moderator Comment No matter how much I agree with you, I have to tell you to calm down. - Gregersen
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: TheRock on December 22, 2010, 01:07:16 pm
u funny!!!!

Nope sorry StrikeFreedom, what his post is asking is that admins take consideration and question before action [Unless its extreme such as hacking or mass deathmatch.'

Example: Player1 shoots Player2. Player2 fights back and hits Player1, Player1 reports Player2 for DM. Admins comes and sees Player2 is assaulting Player1.

Then the problem. The admin punishes player 2 for DM, but really its self defense against Player1 who was the actual DMer.

Very usual, If I get an report from Player1, reporting Player2 for DMing, however when I spectate the situation, I see Player1, Insulting/Flaming/DMing Player2 who he just reported, He's gonna be punished for Invalid Report + Revegne Deathmatch..

In my view, such as the case of Yuri, Whenever I see a regular breaking a rule, I'll be harsh on him.
And in case, I know Gvardia does not pass from trial any random guy. So I guessed you have been an old guy here, and yes I was correct.

If there's a new player, making mistakes not-purposely, like suspecting for false reasons because he does not understand something then yes, I will freeze and talk to him, unlikely the way I will deal a new-registered who does RULE-BREAK purposely, or an regular player on the server.

Each admin works with his own way, We don't have to be 'copy-cats' or have the same attitude of the admins you love ;).
I personally hate trolls in game, which I love giving banana's to. And people who are old here and rule-break purposely, will just get harsh punishments.
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Emre on December 22, 2010, 01:12:58 pm
Lol. You guys make me laugh. I'll say it again then, who the f**k are you to lecture and question me?
Actually,every citizen can question you,unless you dont live in your own fantasy world.


Controlling anger? No. It's called cracking down on shitters who drag the community down.
I never said I was "kool". Do not make false accusations.
See?You say "crack down" and "shitter".You get them out of the way,but you never help argonath mainly than being an admin.



I have recieved kicks and warnings in the past and they did not bother me. I dealt with them the proper way and didn't spread shit about the admin on the forums or ingame.
Yes,you learn out of mistakes you did with your kicks and warnings.You probably were fairly kicked.Stop acting like you're the only fair one in this world.There are still people who accept mistakes,go check the unban section!


EDIT : Rock,you have a point :o
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Aguila187 on December 22, 2010, 01:13:51 pm
Dave could you please stop with your disgusting and provoking hate messages? We are trying to have a peaceful chat here.

In my view, such as the case of Yuri, Whenever I see a regular breaking a rule, I'll be harsh on him.
And in case, I know Gvardia does not pass from trial any random guy. So I guessed you have been an old guy here, and yes I was correct.

If there's a new player, making mistakes not-purposely, like suspecting for false reasons because he does not understand something then yes, I will freeze and talk to him, unlikely the way I will deal a new-registered who does RULE-BREAK purposely, or an regular player on the server.
Thats a great way to work Rock, I like your style. Regulars obviously has more experience than newcomers and their punishments should be harsher IF they really did break a rule. You're a good example of admins with common sense, in my honest opinion.
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Dave on December 22, 2010, 01:16:19 pm
See?You say "crack down" and "shitter".You get them out of the way,but you never help argonath mainly than being an admin.
I have helped Argonath more than what you have seen. You have hardly been on this community so do not judge someone 4 years your "elder". I have done alot for the community in the past, more than you could ever hope to do. The people from Pre-2007 know what I have done, and I'm not going to sit here and explain it to you.
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Emre on December 22, 2010, 01:29:10 pm
I have helped Argonath more than what you have seen. You have hardly been on this community so do not judge someone 4 years your "elder". I have done alot for the community in the past, more than you could ever hope to do. The people from Pre-2007 know what I have done, and I'm not going to sit here and explain it to you.
Oh yeah,over 1 1/2 years is HARDLY.
Its not amazingly long,but its acceptable.
Also,how you just name it up,sounds like you only did it for the reputation,not for the community.That's a shame ... you elder BUSH.
So,go on,name it all up,what you've done,when,why and for what purpose.I have time :)
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: TheRock on December 22, 2010, 01:30:25 pm
Gah, Cut it.

It's not an -show-off- topic, Neither you need to say how many things you've done for the community.
But only 1 thing I can say; If dave was not worth being an admin, he would not be in the team now. That's a clear fact.
Because the HQ, does not allow any person in the team, If you're chosen for it, It means you've showed your abilities and HQ believes you are ready for it.
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Dave on December 22, 2010, 01:34:25 pm
Yeah. Believe what you want Emre.
I don't give two fucks about my reputation or if people respect me. I only care about working in this community as an admin. I couldn't care fucking less what you think about me, so piss off.
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Ben. on December 22, 2010, 01:34:52 pm
Yeah, can we go back on-topic? I don't see the topic name as "Let's all flame Dave".
He's doing his best as an admin, and does his work efficiently. He shouldn't have to take abuse from players who don't know what it is to be an Argonath admin.
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Kenny. on December 22, 2010, 02:48:34 pm
Each admin has a different way of dealing with situations. We are all from different waves and we were all trained differently.

In the end they all different and the players will prefer some admins over others, if no one likes you, its okay no need to cry.

Just grow the f**k up and deal with it.

Says the man who is streesed and about to go on rampage because of GTA!

Stop bad girling about how one admin does something you like, and another does something you don't.

Opinios are not bad girling, surely you can understand that or are you in the faze that players opinion might actually hurt your feelings?

We give our own f**king gameplay time to help you guys out and make the server a decent place to play on without 20 hackers running around. We get nothing for it yet you target us all the time for things, that most of the time, are your f**king problems.

You are having a nervous mental breakdown, then i suggest you resign as you are really streesed out. No one is asking you to be adminstrator and having to give your gameplay, however if you sign up for the job then stop moaning. ironic aint it the one whos moaning?

Yeah, because a player is never wrong, it's always the admin....

belive me its the other way round, stop stop playing dumb or blind.
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Altair_Carter on December 22, 2010, 03:03:15 pm
So. Instead of punishing people, we should teleport them into a darkened room, tie them to a chair, shine a bright torch in their face and interrogate them? Get real. We don't have time to ask every reported player "OMG Y U DM IDXX????????????????"
Stop acting like an idiot and grow up a bit. It's nothing to be funny about.
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Altair_Carter on December 22, 2010, 03:04:48 pm
And the admin is correct to punish player 2.
Admin is not correct in any case. What he did was a misunderstanding, but his actions were not right under any degree.


^ This is how it goes at my school anyway. They do not take into account that Bob1 started it, and Bob2 was acting in self-defense.

And if it was a murder attempt with lethal self-defence, Bob2 wouldn't be punished.

You do realise diffirent situations are handled diffirently? You can't compare fighting at school to srs internet business. This is an RP server after all.


Controlling anger? No. It's called cracking down on shitters who drag the community down.

Half of the people in here are not dragging community down.
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I never said I was "kool". Do not make false accusations.
Sigh
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I have recieved kicks and warnings in the past and they did not bother me. I dealt with them the proper way and didn't spread shit about the admin on the forums or ingame.
That was before admin restructure, with waay more adecuate admins and when community was moreover listened to.
I have helped Argonath more than what you have seen. You have hardly been on this community so do not judge someone 4 years your "elder". I have done alot for the community in the past, more than you could ever hope to do. The people from Pre-2007 know what I have done, and I'm not going to sit here and explain it to you.
People living in past don't have their future. Nobody will care what you've done in past if future won't be.


I couldn't care f**king less what you think about me
Definite admin talk.


Also, to speak about topic in general, from what i've seen there are posts about admins talking themselves out to show what good they've done, posts where admins try to tell how people think about them bad is bullshit and that kind of crap. Only TheRock and 1-2 other guys are within the topic, if you want to discuss admins in general create another thread.
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Zaila on December 22, 2010, 03:18:03 pm
Ok, why the fuck are people still complaining on everything we admins do? If you dont like how it is on the server, you are free to drag your ass out of Argonath right now. Every week i see a new topic about how we admin sucks, and how we should get kicked out of the team just because we think we are gods and can do whatever the fuck we want. That is NOT the case, and it will never be. If you see an admin doing something wrong, you can report it to [email protected] or talk directly with the admin in question in a polite manner and solve it that way. Keep the bullshit up here, and you can forget to recieve any help from atleast me if you are reporting someone for DM'ing or carjacking or any other case.
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Ben. on December 22, 2010, 03:33:38 pm
Oh yeah,over 1 1/2 years is HARDLY.
Its not amazingly long,but its acceptable.
Also,how you just name it up,sounds like you only did it for the reputation,not for the community.That's a shame ... you elder BUSH.
So,go on,name it all up,what you've done,when,why and for what purpose.I have time :)

I've been on Argonath 1 1/2 years too, but you don't see me bragging.
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Aguila187 on December 22, 2010, 03:46:25 pm
Ok, why the f**k are people still complaining on everything we admins do? If you dont like how it is on the server, you are free to drag your ass out of Argonath right now. Every week i see a new topic about how we admin sucks, and how we should get kicked out of the team just because we think we are gods and can do whatever the f**k we want. That is NOT the case, and it will never be. If you see an admin doing something wrong, you can report it to [email protected] or talk directly with the admin in question in a polite manner and solve it that way. Keep the bullshit up here, and you can forget to recieve any help from atleast me if you are reporting someone for DM'ing or carjacking or any other case.
You kind sir should've read the first post before posting anything, and perhaps clean your language. Ironically, in this topic the only provoking and bad mouthing people are admins...



Please lock that topic, my point was not to start another endless arguement..
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: JayL on December 22, 2010, 03:58:08 pm
Since players are complaining against every way we do our job, we should stop answering reports and questions someday. :lol:
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: TheRock on December 22, 2010, 04:07:46 pm
I've been on Argonath 1 1/2 years too, but you don't see me bragging.

:lol: :lol: a big LOL, What you just said is bragging :)

I agree with JayL, people would go: OH EM GEE HACKERS ALL OVER US! HEEEELP ADMINS!!!

In either way, Even IF we respond to an report or NOT respond it ends up the same.

Respond: ADMIN!! YOU SEE REPORT BUT YOU DO NOTHING!! WHY!! (While in fact, most of our punishments are not available to public. It can be, ajail, banana, or even a conversation)
Not respond: ADMIN!!! LOOK AT THE REPORTS bad guy!!

Same thing, people think it's 'easy' to take all this, but if you even tried it for a day, you'd shut your mouth then.
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Proxan on December 22, 2010, 04:10:34 pm
:lol: :lol: a big LOL, What you just said is bragging :)

I agree with JayL, people would go: OH EM GEE HACKERS ALL OVER US! HEEEELP ADMINS!!!

In either way, Even IF we respond to an report or NOT respond it ends up the same.

Respond: ADMIN!! YOU SEE REPORT BUT YOU DO NOTHING!! WHY!! (While in fact, most of our punishments are not available to public. It can be, ajail, banana, or even a conversation)
Not respond: ADMIN!!! LOOK AT THE REPORTS bad guy!!

Same thing, people think it's 'easy' to take all this, but if you even tried it for a day, you'd shut your mouth then.


Could that be the reason more and more admins decided to use /warn alot more frequently to display it to the players, kinda lika a confirmation "Yes we responded to your report and took actions?"
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Zaila on December 22, 2010, 04:13:22 pm
You kind sir should've read the first post before posting anything, and perhaps clean your language. Ironically, in this topic the only provoking and bad mouthing people are admins...

And you should not start to tell me what to do. Put yourself in our seat, we are trying our best to protect the server and the players. We are doing it for free, and we are using our free time to do it, and mostly the only we get back is bullshit from people which thinks they are right about everything and we are the bad guys just trying to boss them around. It has already made many admins to resign because they can't stand all the bullshit.
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: TheRock on December 22, 2010, 04:18:00 pm
/warn is never used when not necessary.
Some though, prefer to use it so other people can read other's punishments and never do the same.
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Aguila187 on December 22, 2010, 04:19:40 pm
And you should not start to tell me what to do. Put yourself in our seat, we are trying our best to protect the server and the players. We are doing it for free, and we are using our free time to do it, and mostly the only we get back is bullshit from people which thinks they are right about everything and we are the bad guys just trying to boss them around. It has already made many admins to resign because they can't stand all the bullshit.
You still did not read I see.
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Ben. on December 22, 2010, 04:19:55 pm
:lol: :lol: a big LOL, What you just said is bragging :)


What?! IoOnly said it to show that it is not an amazing length of time to be on. If anything, I am putting myself down!
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Altair_Carter on December 22, 2010, 04:28:25 pm
And you should not start to tell me what to do.
Or what? Will use your admin status to punish me so I will shut up? That's not how an admin should react.

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Put yourself in our seat, we are trying our best to protect the server and the players. We are doing it for free, and we are using our free time to do it, and mostly the only we get back is bullshit from people which thinks they are right about everything and we are the bad guys just trying to boss them around. It has already made many admins to resign because they can't stand all the bullshit.
If most of those resigned admins listened to what players tell about them they could improve and become better, and so less shit is on. Or atleast explain their actions (and admit their mistakes if they did any), but they choose two easy way out:
1) Majorly punish the player for a minor offense, shit starts all over again, admin still thinks it's right to do so.
2) Resign.


I dare you to prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: EminemRulez on December 22, 2010, 04:29:31 pm

I am sick and tired of the shit administrators get, it's utterly ridiculous. We give our own f**king gameplay time to help you guys out
There are 9 pages of players who wants to do it... If you don't like it, why remain as an administrator? Go play the gameplay if you don't enjoy what you do... I don't think owners forces you to be an administrator? Or do they? :razz:
Admins barely get any respect now. Proof?:
Respect to be respected.

Stop bad girling about how one admin does something you like
Stop bad girling about how one admin
Stop bad girling about admin
Stop bad girling, admin
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Gandalf on December 22, 2010, 04:36:13 pm
Allright guys... you want a server without admins because everyone who tries gets burned from the contants moans ? Continue like this and you will get your wish.
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Emre on December 22, 2010, 04:40:53 pm
Allright guys... you want a server without admins because everyone who tries gets burned from the contants moans ?
We never said we don't want a server with admins ... well,not directly(me not at all).
Anyways,the topics subject was something else than "I ADMIN U NOT"
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: jdixo17 on December 22, 2010, 04:45:19 pm
Lol. You guys make me laugh. I'll say it again then, who the f**k are you to lecture and question me?
Controlling anger? No. It's called cracking down on shitters who drag the community down.
I never said I was "kool". Do not make false accusations.
I have recieved kicks and warnings in the past and they did not bother me. I dealt with them the proper way and didn't spread shit about the admin on the forums or ingame.

No matter how much I agree with you, I have to tell you to calm down. - Gregersen

SIR, Control your anger!
No seriously, it is a bloody computer game. If you are getting angry over a computer game, I suggest you speak to someone about your anger.

Ok, why the f**k are people still complaining on everything we admins do? If you dont like how it is on the server, you are free to drag your ass out of Argonath right now. Every week i see a new topic about how we admin sucks, and how we should get kicked out of the team just because we think we are gods and can do whatever the f**k we want. That is NOT the case, and it will never be. If you see an admin doing something wrong, you can report it to [email protected] or talk directly with the admin in question in a polite manner and solve it that way. Keep the bullshit up here, and you can forget to recieve any help from atleast me if you are reporting someone for DM'ing or carjacking or any other case.

Maybe stop being so "sucky"?

As for reporting an admin, I have done before and never got a response. The email was calm, not abusive and never flamed anyone. I reported a regular player and I was surprised to get a quick response within a few hours or so.

"Keep the bullshit up here, and you can forget to recieve any help from atleast me if you are reporting someone for DM'ing or carjacking or any other case."

May I ask, why are you an admin if your attitude is like this?
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Gandalf on December 22, 2010, 04:48:29 pm
SIR, Control your anger!
No seriously, it is a bloody computer game. If you are getting angry over a computer game, I suggest you speak to someone about your anger.

Maybe stop being so "sucky"?

As for reporting an admin, I have done before and never got a response. The email was calm, not abusive and never flamed anyone. I reported a regular player and I was surprised to get a quick response within a few hours or so.

"Keep the bullshit up here, and you can forget to recieve any help from atleast me if you are reporting someone for DM'ing or carjacking or any other case."

May I ask, why are you an admin if your attitude is like this?
Never got a response ? Your report was done on December 20.
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Zaila on December 22, 2010, 04:48:54 pm
May I ask, why are you an admin if your attitude is like this?

Because  i want to help out the community which i like, i want to and like to help players which is in need of help and appreciate it. Regarding my attitude, you have no idea how i am usually.

Why are you still here if you hate how we are working and helping the community?
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: StrikeFreedom on December 22, 2010, 04:50:16 pm
SIR, Control your anger!
No seriously, it is a bloody computer game. If you are getting angry over a computer game, I suggest you speak to someone about your anger.
I will control my anger when you people learn to respect and follow administrators. Learn the hierachy and put the Argonath Vision back into context.

Maybe stop being so "sucky"?
How dare you. Go try do a better jon yourself before you even think of posting bullshit like that. How about you maybe stop being so "bitchy" towards everything an admin says?

May I ask, why are you an admin if your attitude is like this?
Our attitude is like this because critics and avid complainers like yourself have forced us to take up this attitude to deal with the shit we recieve.
Title: Re: Questioning before Punisments
Post by: Traser on December 22, 2010, 04:53:31 pm
look at gandalf his reply, and think before posting a new topic
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