Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: JDC on April 19, 2011, 05:00:04 pm
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Greetings.
You may have noticed players both ingame and on forum, saying that the RP is dead. By their reasoning, this is why the server has become devoid of RP and is also their alibi for spreading more of their negative ideologies, which have no benefit for the server.
Just what caused them to come to that absurd conclusion? Is the RP really dead or are they merely bullshitting out of their own laziness? I for one believe in the latter, as the RP on this server is not dead. No, it is not. Argonath has always prided itself on being a community where imaginative RP thrives, and it still is. Unfortunately, certain players have lost their fun, and are trying to get other players to be like them.
Lost in their negativity, such rogue players have, are, and will continue to use the aforementioned alibi as a means of spreading more negativity in the community. You must not believe them, as RP can easily be created by anyone who has even half an imagination. It's worked in the MTA:VC days, and continues to work to this day. Ignore their useless moans, and find yourself some good RP. Try RPing with a stranger even, and you never know, you may have just met your next good friend on Argonath.
The RP in the server has always been alive and well, and you will find it if you are determined to RP. For instance, the crazy Sheriff of Fort Carson personified by Jcstodds. It does not require special skill or status to create fun RP such as that, but only a little imagination.
Game or not, Argonath is still a community, not just a mere video game. The people you play with (except the moaners and trolls, who are useless to our community anyway) are just like you, looking for RP and fun. Take the time to RP with other people instead of waiting for others to start. I've said it before and I'll say it again; "Only YOU can bring more RP".
So ends my short speech, thank you for reading.
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Just fucking RP it.
Just kidding, if you're going to say that RP is dead, then maybe you should do something about it instead of posting topics and blabla (Not talkin' 'bout you tough JDC).
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The role-play in game is alive and a lot more well developed than before.
Sure, there will always remain some round feet's within the community, but it's not hard to neglect and turn a deaf ear on them.
I will elucidate a little better later on when I got the time to do so.
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I personally believe that RP is not dead. It's a certain amount of individuals that are actually all for to ruin the community. Thanks to them, we are having these issues. Recently, the owners of the server have taken actions against a certain few which means we are finally heading in a good direction.
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Thanks for the initiative, JDC.
I'll just leave a comment here to say that RP in Argonath is clearly not dead!
~1 week ago I bought my own taxi and have been in Argonath a driver till now. At first, it was really, but really, hard to get people to call a taxi, it still is, I must admit, but when people do they're, mostly, looking for role-play. It's also fairly notorious the amount of taxi drivers in the server, nowadays, and the number of people who do /taxi. Thanks to the administration for also giving a boost to this scripted job, by giving paydays to /drivers only. ;)
In 1 hour, I always get at least 3 fares. If you divide 30 by 3 (the other 30 are the waiting time and driving time between fares), you'll be given 10 minutes of role-play to each customer. Think it's few time? Perhaps it is, but, and to be honest, I don't like myself to have a role-play that lasts for hours. I like to meet the new guys and also, curiously, to meet some veterans I never had the chance to and being a driver gives you that.
Now, JDC, you got a crucial point that has come into my mind, previously:
Unfortunately, certain players have lost their fun, and are trying to get other players to be like them.
Unfortunately, or fortunately, this is happening. Unfortunately because it may influence others, but fortunately, because we get to know who has a positive contribution to the server and who has a negative one.
It's up to us to just increase the role-play and ignore all of these folks that only bring negativity. The majority always wins.
"Only YOU can bring more RP"
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:)
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I'm glad to see positive feedback on the message. :)
I can only hope that the younger players can pick up the message before they are influenced by the Anti-Communitarians, and that the regulars would find themselves enlightened on the situation.
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The people that complain about the current state of roleplay on the server are the ones that come here looking for something more serious than /me is an alien /me goes lolololo.
My experience in the past week has been that people are a lot more likely to shoot you than even attempt to come up with something their character'd say. The only time I've seen people properly roleplaying is during a traffic stop when I do absolutely everything for them since they only have to reply with 'sry i wont sped anymore here my lisens'.
Despite my current experience, I've not actually had any contact with groups that appear to be extremely decent at pleasing roleplayers that are looking to escape their boring everyday lives and become a tough gangster and simply have some fun while remaining in character (I believe Que is leading one such a group, I'm not sure though).
The roleplay on the cops' side is dead. Literally dead. I still remember James' old SWAT squad where he insisted that we actually roleplayed something other than a bunch of tactical DMers once in a while. Again, the only roleplay I've seen is at either a traffic stop or the processing room and, of course, some extremely good roleplay from some LSPD members.
Argonath still has a certain charm though, and it's fun when you're not in a serious mindset - after all, there are servers that ban people for loling around and if you can't handle anything different you shouldn't barge into Argonath claiming that the RP here is utter shit.
Personally, I ignore people like Curse & DPD members and it has worked for me thus far.
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As I promised, I'll elucidate a little bit further.
After being a player on this server for basically three years, a little more actually; I've concluded that this server is my home. I've been one of these players, simply playing on a famous RLRP server, been unilateral, been contradictory to the main chat, blips on the radar and etcetera. But when the time's gone, and I've grown older and reached far more maturity than ever before. My attitude towards the community and its features has changed rapidly.
I was one of these players complaining about the "lame role-play", "the retarded players and scripts". Nowadays, I actually got nothing to complain about. The server hasn't changed that much so I would just change my prospective standpoint to something enormously opposite. It has to do with yourself and your own disposition. If your mindset's negative, your own attitude towards other community members whose role-play preference's not like yours will be interpreted as unnecessary and extremely slanderous. Instead of having this negative and slanderous attitude towards people, focus on what's good and what you can make even more prominent as you define it is already. That's the spirit if you want to succeed with a group, your accomplished role-play or whatsoever.
Despite my current experience, I've not actually had any contact with groups that appear to be extremely decent at pleasing roleplayers that are looking to escape their boring everyday lives and become a tough gangster and simply have some fun while remaining in character (I believe Que is leading one such a group, I'm not sure though).
I am.
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yesterday is history (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCLHzMSI5Qs#)
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RP isnt dead on Argonath, theres always goona be those kids who try to take away fun from other players, but theres also still players that fully use Roleplaying rules. Even though Argonath does not completely abide by the rules of Roleplay, I believe that it certainly isnt dead.
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yesterday is history (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCLHzMSI5Qs#)
lol lol at frank xD!
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Maybe for you.
For me? No.
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Maybe for you.
For me? No.
At least, bother reading the effort that JDC made, before posting.
He never said that RP is dead. ;)
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In fact, I said quite the opposite.
Those who think the RP is dead, go read the first word of each paragraph, there's a message for you.
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As a (mostly criminal sided) player on the server, I think there is a right to defend a cop(s) for not roleplay-ing or not roleplaying properly. What is to blame? the criminals. If your a cop in a chase with a criminal, and in some cases even just at a traffic stop. Is a person more likely to roleplay with you, or to run away or assault you? There are many reasons a criminal may do this though, and one reason is cops.
See what I'm getting to? Both sides are at fault because both sides have some extreme methods that mostly are attacking or forceful roleplay. Why Roleplay when you can eliminate the problem is the mindset of many players. The problem is not one side or the other, its the server. Not saying the whole server is bad.
Thats just my opinion, maybe you agree.
Post Merge: April 19, 2011, 10:29:06 pm
In fact, I said quite the opposite.
Those who think the RP is dead, go read the first word of each paragraph, there's a message for you.
funny, when i read that you said that, i knew what it was, but i still looked, and i still lost.
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Yes, I am cop. I obviously saw alot in past weeks and it's hilarious to see how some of Gvardia members taking skater skins and combat-dming every cop. Anyhow last time I was roleplaying with someone it was one of Que's factions. Obviously he's one of few trying bring RP to Argonath. Much have been made through RP history, much have been lost.
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One other recent occurrence I don't understand is the fervor with which players participate in the Idlewood Gang Wars, which are more DM than RP. As an Admin, I have also observed that GS9 has become a hive of DM as well, where suspects hide inside a crowd of ballas so the said ballas will attack any cop who shoots. It's tragic, really.
I salute every criminal who prioritizes roleplay over the impulse to kill cops with a combat shotgun.
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I salute every criminal who prioritizes roleplay over the impulse to kill cops with a combat shotgun.
I salute every cop who prioritizes roleplay over the impulse of shouting /s1 and spraying suspects with pepper spray. I see this all the time from SAPD members.
SAPD is supposed to be a top notch roleplay group, why do you let in people who do this shit?
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I salute every cop who prioritizes roleplay over the impulse of shouting /s1 and spraying suspects with pepper spray. I see this all the time from SAPD members.
SAPD is supposed to be a top notch roleplay group, why do you let in people who do this shit?
There's difference between cop who joins SAPD of boredom or fun and Role Play.
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Yet,in ideal case,RP is go through /me and all can be actually continued with a roleplay manner with less killing.
however,what you expect we to do when people come and shout "You sucks","F**K da balla"?
Die Hard with a Vengeance 虎膽é¾ÂÂ娠第三集(哈æžâ€â€ÃƒÂ¥Ã‚€) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOngn3EMU_Y#)
Watch from 1:00
the gang at gs9 was quickly spotted and many cop force in and common sense is shooting occurs.
But who was to blame?the GS9 DMing.
However what is "DM"?Killing with no reason.
How is the killing is with no reason when criminal have a war to the police when both party are involved actively?
Yet I will admit GS9 is a frequent "War Zone" but not a "DM zone".
That's why the SAPD was reportedly warn civilian avoid going there when not needed. :sig: :m4:
Truth is,you can't produce sound when you clap hand with only one hand.
the said ballas will attack any cop who shoots-
criminal have a right to shoot when the cop shoot you back provided that you haven't /gu.
Post Merge: April 20, 2011, 07:26:16 am
@Que one,yet I was always thinking police are little nevous at GS9 cos we are long regarded as "DMer" so they will shoot.
Howvere as as GSF is one of the decent rp group as well-known,still the same thing.I have some conclusion now.
Anyway,Que when this have occur about 1341278times in your playing,you 'll gradually develop into a style to deal with them.:)However yet,people will say "Dmer".It's quite ashame that people blaming people when they haven't self-reflect themselves.
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How is the killing is with no reason when criminal have a war to the police
That is a straight deathmatch reason.
Next time I spot anyone provoking cops at GS9, he's getting banned.
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Yes, I am cop. I obviously saw alot in past weeks and it's hilarious to see how some of Gvardia (falcone,colombo) members taking skater skins and combat-dming every cop. Anyhow last time I was roleplaying with someone it was one of Que's factions. Obviously he's one of few trying bring RP to Argonath. Much have been made through RP history, much have been lost.
the funny thing is... nothing happend to those skater-dmers.. they happily live their life, and scream like a jackass on the argonathrpg vision
fair play kids
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That is a straight deathmatch reason.
When the cop shoot you at once,you can shoot back provided you are not /gu and a orange.
Next time I spot anyone provoking cops at GS9, he's getting banned.
Is telling the cop don't mess around and play comedian in front of a crowd of people who are fully armed is a kind of provoking?
Is taxing the cop who approach to the crowd alone,Ordering him to empty all his stuff and go naked is rulebreak?
Anyway,players should know that there're some conseqences after you have done something.
When we rulebreak,we'll be punished.
When you have playing clown and other's feels not so comfort....Sure other will do something on him..and he should expect it.
Yes someone may say you can use /me instead of shooting.
Yet one person playing clown,I'm patient enough to use /me
2people,I'm patient enough use /me and shoot on the air instead of the people
when 13214532 people comes and playing something which is not pleasant......I'll rather shoot him and telling him to stop.
Still non-stop playing clown,death is the only way to keep my view clear of clowns.
What I don't quite appreciate it is,when people get the result,they can't get along it and turn around saying the one who kill him as DMer.
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Finding role-play is like playing hide-and-seek; put some effort in it and you'll find a heap of it. I assure you.
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As both an Admin and a cop, I have seen many times, that a horde of criminals attacks every cop they see, ironically led sometimes by i9 members. GS9 has become a DM zone.
I'm both sad and disgusted. I used to appreciate i9 for helping new players get started, even on the criminal side, now I'm seeing more and more "FUCK DA POLICE" and killing than RP. If a cop lingers at GS9 for over a minute, he'll end up getting shot. Some example for the new players there.
Before you accuse me of being one-sided, keep in mind I am also an outspoken critic of SAPD.
This DM has got to stop... less DM, less reasons for people to complain about lack of RP.
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attacks every cop they see,
.If I say "No we don't",you may not believe it.
So I'll let other from police side speak up instead of I denying
If we kill "Every cop we see" we will be regarded as a Cop hunting group and logically we're the one of" cop hate group".
However still when some high rank SWAT retired,they are more than willing to chill along with us and sharing the experience fun.
Especially impress me is during the role several period that many SWAT and SAPD actively joining us and chit-chatting both on TS and cb.Both of us create the fun and tactic sharing that we both never have before.If we are the one that are "Cop hunting DMing group" Logically they will not easily willing to join us and participate the scenario.And saying i9 is create a fun rp style and leaving a good comment to us...and both of us hoping more drop-by when times are available.
If we are the one that "Kill every cop they see", "Rule-breaking"Group,will the player especially the regular police member risking themselves to play with us?
I'm both sad and disgusted. I used to appreciate i9 for helping new players get started, even on the criminal side, now I'm seeing more and more "f**k DA POLICE" and killing than RP.
Yet we are long stick to the rules of "No cophunting,especially no rule breaking"
Somehow,when the actual rp scenario reach to the saturation point that killing or dying will occur.
Example is when 2 people are fighting among arguing which car are better.
I was impressed by Jcstodd that once he said "When you see two people fighting on the street,will you /su and kill them?No, break them up"
Once again.one hand can't produce sound when clapping.
The cop will /su and shoot the orange up.I will say it's rare process but understandable.
Sure,when we law-break, we are orange...no big deal. Nothing to moan about.
when a cop shoot up,we neither /gu or shoot back,no big deal.Also nothing to moan about.
However,people will turn around saying i9 just kill people instead of rp when people especially the one ,who can suspect, can have a right to choose in the first place.
Before you accuse me of being one-sided, keep in mind I am also an outspoken critic of SAPD.
Which sentence or single word from me suggest it?
This DM has got to stop... less DM, less reasons for people to complain about lack of RP.
Good point.
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Die Hard with a Vengeance 虎膽é¾ÂÂ娠第三集(哈æžâ€â€ÃƒÂ¥Ã‚€) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOngn3EMU_Y#)
Lol
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The people that complain about the current state of roleplay on the server are the ones that come here looking for something more serious than /me is an alien /me goes lolololo.
My experience in the past week has been that people are a lot more likely to shoot you than even attempt to come up with something their character'd say. The only time I've seen people properly roleplaying is during a traffic stop when I do absolutely everything for them since they only have to reply with 'sry i wont sped anymore here my lisens'.
Your experience in the past week is playing 37 minutes on server.
I doubt that you got even beyond LSPD in that time.
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I salute every cop who prioritizes roleplay over the impulse of shouting /s1 and spraying suspects with pepper spray. I see this all the time from SAPD members.
SAPD is supposed to be a top notch roleplay group, why do you let in people who do this shit?
Last in game: 2 weeks ago. Another very active player who is negative...
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As for the GS9 and GSF people who like to keep a criminal area.
Perhaps SAPD should wake up and declare your area a spear point zone.
If you are ZOMG rople players you will not mind that SAPD will be present at al times, and will break up any gathering of more than three people until you can behave....
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Lol yeah those who are negative to Argonath Roleplay should at least update their moaning... :lol:
By presenting on server...
At least we'll get not only sneezing noses but also some players...
@JDC
Usually complain about roleplay those who cannot roleplay... :)
And here I include all things around: character, action, interaction, vision and independence...
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Good points indeed...
Roleplay may be a fun experience, but it is not risk free. Problem is, some of those who try and encounter obstacles early on choose to sit and complain rather than exerting effort to overcome them.
We've all seen SAMP Ideas proposed to force other people to roleplay (even if not stated directly), and I'm pretty sure almost every admin in the team has seen a "This guy refuses to RP" or "Non-RP" report at one point or another.
So what if the guy you went with does not want to roleplay? Find someone else then. Problem is some people insist, persist, and resist until their headache becomes the admins headache too.
Sometimes, the players disgruntled with roleplay or the ZOMG SRS roleplayers will join others at GS9 and go AFK, or will wait for cops to come and attack when one of their own is a suspect. In both cases, I do not see any beneficial interaction for the server and it only contributes to the problem.
The best way to solve this entire problem is done in two steps. First getting rid of the negatives who will discourage others from roleplay, and second would be for players to cooperate.
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When I get dragged into a RP I go along with it.
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Last in game: 2 weeks ago. Another very active player who is negative...
If you knew anything about me, you'd know I work offshore and I'm unable to play.
I left the fifth of april, so I've been gone for around two weeks, yeah.
Lol yeah those who are negative to Argonath Roleplay should at least update their moaning... :lol:
By presenting on server...
At least we'll get not only sneezing noses but also some players...
@JDC
Usually complain about roleplay those who cannot roleplay... :)
And here I include all things around: character, action, interaction, vision and independence...
I'm not negative towards Argonath Roleplay, I love it, why else would I play here?
Moaning? Do you just throw that word around at anyone who critizes anything but criminals?
I am present on the server, when I have the possibility. As I said above, I work offshore, I can't play when I'm offshore due to crappy internet.
How come you didn't make a reply to JDC's statement, but to me and Oliver's? He said the exact same thing, just this time it was about criminals. Is it not allowed to critizise police? Is that a priviliege reserved to JDC?
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I almost vomit when I saw another topic like this. Specially in SA:MP General. Created by JDC.
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I almost vomit when I saw another topic like this. Specially in SA:MP General. Created by JDC.
Now he is mad D:
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How can he not get angry when he is part of the problem in the first place? :)
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How can he not get angry when he is part of the problem in the first place? :)
Maybe you should state the reason in your post aswell?
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If you knew anything about me, you'd know I work offshore and I'm unable to play.
I left the fifth of april, so I've been gone for around two weeks, yeah.
I'm not negative towards Argonath Roleplay, I love it, why else would I play here?
Moaning? Do you just throw that word around at anyone who critizes anything but criminals?
I am present on the server, when I have the possibility. As I said above, I work offshore, I can't play when I'm offshore due to crappy internet.
How come you didn't make a reply to JDC's statement, but to me and Oliver's? He said the exact same thing, just this time it was about criminals. Is it not allowed to critizise police? Is that a priviliege reserved to JDC?
No problem if you are unable to play regularly, just do not complain on what you do not know...
As for the criticism of police work, do all you want just find some real thing to criticize.
If you wish to lead a criminal life, a large part of it is avoinding to be wanted, not killing as much cops as you can before getting killed (or /gu with 1 hp and then shitting on cops if you die).
If you wish to be gangsta who resist cops, do not be surprised if the cops one time decide to wipe out the group. Acting tough against one officer ? Lets see how you act if SWAT takes your group to Mordor for "in depth" searching...
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If you wish to be gangsta who resist cops, do not be surprised if the cops one time decide to wipe out the group. Acting tough against one officer ? Lets see how you act if SWAT takes your group to Mordor for "in depth" searching...
No one have complain nor suprise as I have said in my post :
Sure,when we law-break, we are orange...no big deal. Nothing to moan about.
when a cop shoot up,we neither /gu or shoot back,no big deal.Also nothing to moan about.
When we actually do something that's law-breaking,we will sure be a suspect,even we're killed,it's just reasonable and we have no point to complain.
When we're died and loss money,sure..it's something not so tasteful...but we understand that none of the party has done anything wrong in the first place.That's why we seldom go raging on /p.However,when some police died when he is catching or shooting in the shootout.... GS9 group was innocently accused of DMer Zone.....
What I am actually saying is...when people, get killed...they will rage on /p saying Hey GS9 Dm Zone.
What I don't quite appreciate it is,when people get the result,they can't get along it and turn around saying the one who kill him reasonably as DMer.
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No problem if you are unable to play regularly, just do not complain on what you do not know...
As for the criticism of police work, do all you want just find some real thing to criticize.
If you wish to lead a criminal life, a large part of it is avoinding to be wanted, not killing as much cops as you can before getting killed (or /gu with 1 hp and then shitting on cops if you die).
If you wish to be gangsta who resist cops, do not be surprised if the cops one time decide to wipe out the group. Acting tough against one officer ? Lets see how you act if SWAT takes your group to Mordor for "in depth" searching...
What I don't know about? I've seen it first hand multiple times.
I'm a police officer myself. If I see other cops behaving like this I try to tell them to give roleplay a shot. Criminals are oftenly much more complying if you roleplay with them.
I don't wish to lead a criminal life, I'm a cop.
I'm not a gangsta who resists cops.
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How can he not get angry when he is part of the problem in the first place? :)
>implying Duffman meant me , when he said "Now, he's angry"
Wont even comment your reply, Lol.
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No one have complain nor suprise as I have said in my post :When we actually do something that's law-breaking,we will sure be a suspect,even we're killed,it's just reasonable and we have no point to complain.
When we're died and loss money,sure..it's something not so tasteful...but we understand that none of the party has done anything wrong in the first place.That's why we seldom go raging on /p.However,when some police died when he is catching or shooting in the shootout.... GS9 group was innocently accused of DMer Zone.....
What I am actually saying is...when people, get killed...they will rage on /p saying Hey GS9 Dm Zone.
What I don't quite appreciate it is,when people get the result,they can't get along it and turn around saying the one who kill him reasonably as DMer.
When you suspect one person and five start shooting, they have a point to rage. And I saw that more than once.
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What I don't know about? I've seen it first hand multiple times.
I'm a police officer myself. If I see other cops behaving like this I try to tell them to give roleplay a shot. Criminals are oftenly much more complying if you roleplay with them.
I don't wish to lead a criminal life, I'm a cop.
I'm not a gangsta who resists cops.
And similar cops will behave better if you roleplay. Problem is to get both sides to trust each other.
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And 30 per cent of cops will behave better if you roleplay. Problem is to get both sides to trust each other.
The other 70 per cent wants cash.
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As both an Admin and a cop, I have seen many times, that a horde of criminals attacks every cop they see, ironically led sometimes by i9 members. GS9 has become a DM zone.
I'm both sad and disgusted. I used to appreciate i9 for helping new players get started, even on the criminal side, now I'm seeing more and more "f**k DA POLICE" and killing than RP. If a cop lingers at GS9 for over a minute, he'll end up getting shot. Some example for the new players there.
Before you accuse me of being one-sided, keep in mind I am also an outspoken critic of SAPD.
This DM has got to stop... less DM, less reasons for people to complain about lack of RP.
I disagree with the statement about Inferno 9.
Being experienced in the Law Enforcement, I can tell you Inferno 9 and many SAPD members are on friendly terms out of role play matters.
Their extreme rebellious attitude and actions are produced to reflect the life of a real Ghetto location, like in real life, which is role played through this talented group. I have never had a problem with them, or have seen them randomly attack people or provoke Death matching, those who join their events to do so are the ones to blame, such as an outdoor DD event and some Mass killer comes along with a Shamal, diving nose first blowing everything in the area to smithereens.
Each time I've came across these 'Jungle Calls' and events made from the group, I have had nothing but good enjoyment from their role play, they are laid back and relaxed, with role play which attaches you to engage with it. Even through the role-reversal, which you, yourself suggested to have, I acted as a Grove Street gangster, based on i9, and organized a Jungle Call, all who attended didn't randomly death match anyone, and most of the participants were actually the original members who usually join the Inferno 9 event.
You cannot tag a group as a team of Death matchers unless you've seen it from their eyes also, and the opposing side, basing it on their style of role-play of rebellious hoodlums will not get you the correct evaluation to prove they're death matchers.
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I disagree with the statement about Inferno 9.
Being experienced in the Law Enforcement, I can tell you Inferno 9 and many SAPD members are on friendly terms out of role play matters.
Their extreme rebellious attitude and actions are produced to reflect the life of a real Ghetto location, like in real life, which is role played through this talented group. I have never had a problem with them, or have seen them randomly attack people or provoke Death matching, those who join their events to do so are the ones to blame, such as an outdoor DD event and some Mass killer comes along with a Shamal, diving nose first blowing everything in the area to smithereens.
Each time I've came across these 'Jungle Calls' and events made from the group, I have had nothing but good enjoyment from their role play, they are laid back and relaxed, with role play which attaches you to engage with it. Even through the role-reversal, which you, yourself suggested to have, I acted as a Grove Street gangster, based on i9, and organized a Jungle Call, all who attended didn't randomly death match anyone, and most of the participants were actually the original members who usually join the Inferno 9 event.
You cannot tag a group as a team of Death matchers unless you've seen it from their eyes also, and the opposing side, basing it on their style of role-play of rebellious hoodlums will not get you the correct evaluation to prove they're death matchers.
Then tell me if I was high, drunk, intoxicated, or hallucinating when I saw what I saw at GS9. There has yet to come a day when I am on at peak hours and I do not receive a report or a PM from a player about rulebreaking going on at or related to GS9.
True, I suggested Role Reversal Week, and in spite of several who refused to participate, I am happy that those who did had fun for a week, and got to walk in the shoes of the guys they normally try to defeat.
I am not prejudicing against these criminals automatically simply because they are hoodlums or criminals... I myself know some respectable criminals who never have an issue with almost anyone. Problem is, the problems at GS9 I have spoken of are factual events I have observed at GS9, both as cop and an admin.
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. Problem is, the problems at GS9 I have spoken of are factual events I have observed at GS9, both as cop and an admin.
Then JDC I reccomend for you to make a personal role-reversal week, where you are a balla for a week and hang out with i9 and NBA members. To also get their perspective.
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Then tell me if I was high, drunk, intoxicated, or hallucinating when I saw what I saw at GS9. There has yet to come a day when I am on at peak hours and I do not receive a report or a PM from a player about rulebreaking going on at or related to GS9.
True, I suggested Role Reversal Week, and in spite of several who refused to participate, I am happy that those who did had fun for a week, and got to walk in the shoes of the guys they normally try to defeat.
I am not prejudicing against these criminals automatically simply because they are hoodlums or criminals... I myself know some respectable criminals who never have an issue with almost anyone. Problem is, the problems at GS9 I have spoken of are factual events I have observed at GS9, both as cop and an admin.
Inferno 9 ain't no death matchers, nor is any of the Grove Street. But remember; controlling 30 ballas or 30 Groves might the hardest thing you can do in-game. You cannot actually think that all of these people will listen to everything you say. All of these players got different mindsets, yet they will listen to almost everything you say; but they won't do it all, and it might end up bad sometimes.. It's basically impossible to imagine something else.
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You're judging the whole crew, [i9], because of some random balla who 'deathmatched' a cop..
We've got a few threads like this, haven't we?
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People these days are just pathetic and incapable if they say that the roleplay on Argonath is dead. Where did the creativity go? Did it vanish?
It's so easy to create roleplay, I really love the roleplay who comes and I use my imagination to do it good.
I see roleplay everywhere I go, without the roleplay on the server it's nothing. If you want to deathmatch, go to a deathmatch server. If you want to stunt and be z000mg elite go to the stunt server. But of course you can stunt on the ArgonathRPG server aswell.
Maybe everyone is not roleplaying to their highest capability as a person, but that doesn't mean the roleplay is dead.
@JCS About GS9, of course it's a warzone since "almost" every suspect on the server hangs around Idlewood and the law enforcement has to go there.
People fly planes into the whole crowd of people and killing them as Hudson stated.
And it's not deathmatch going on from the i9 crew nor the NBA, I as a balla get provoked every day. It can be avoided if I quit the server or drive away 50 miles, but that doesn't fit my image since I'm the gangster. And don't forget that there are many new players there who are unsure of the rules, they could easily kill people without knowing it's wrong.
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Roleplay isn't dead,but it isn't very active too.
I mean,do you remember how we used to RP in bars,hotels? Where did all that go? The most i see is cops and criminals now.Note:The Most,not all.
I'm not going to say more in this post,because it's most likely i gonna get attacked.
So yea.Where did all the neutral RP go? I still can see well enough,and what i see,is that there isn't neutral bar,hotel,or some other RP of that kind.
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Sometimes, the players disgruntled with roleplay or the ZOMG SRS roleplayers will join others at GS9 and go AFK, or will wait for cops to come and attack when one of their own is a suspect.
Is it?
In the first place,I don't wanna post it tbh.As long as I understand the situation and losing money is not a big deal for me tho I'm poor. cos it's nothing to be good to post about to splashing more negativity to the police and I am not the one who are into a war of "Criminal VS cop"Thread again and again.
I post it because obviously someone who don't get the picture and wrongly accusing someone which making some false image to the whole group and people.
Saying:it's only a rare and isolated incident...?Huh I wish.
Let's do some simple matching :
the ZOMG SRS roleplayers will join others at GS9 and go AFK, or will wait for cops to come and attack= ?
The one being DMed = ?
SA-MP copcrime (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm4tDOSLJHw#ws)
Even one balla,there're a shitstorm ...not to imagine when there're 10 or more people chilling and doing some /shadowbox and boxing training.
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Is it?
In the first place,I don't wanna post it tbh. cos it's nothing to be good to post about to splashing more negativity to the police.
Yet I post it because obviously someone who don't get the picture and wrongly accusing someone.To prove the case watch it
Let's do some simple matching :
the ZOMG SRS roleplayers will join others at GS9 and go AFK, or will wait for cops to come and attack= ?
The one being DMed = ?
SA-MP copcrime (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm4tDOSLJHw#ws)
LOL OWNED
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LOL OWNED
Yea Chaska_Aregas was onwed..but not a big deal....Bitter true is I was still being blamed as a cophunter/copbaiter...hard feeling if you were me?huh.?
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Yea Chaska_Aregas was onwed..but not a big deal....Bitter true is I was still being blamed as a cophunter/copbaiter...hard feeling if you were me?huh.?
I would hunt them for the rest of my day on the server.
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They're very organised and they even share the money! :D
Guess you were really unlucky.
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It's not even mainly about gangplayers causing the DM, it's also many of the new players. Did you notice, that half of the cops that abuse are ARPD officers and new? Have you noticed wanna be gangsters with ballas skins, not part of i9 are the one DM trying to prove worthy enough to join the gang? It's all in the society and groups, if you're around your group/buddies you'll dm or not act in rp just to get attention, mainly what's happening now.
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SA-MP copcrime (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm4tDOSLJHw#ws)
i hope those cops will get permanent ban
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the problems at GS9 I have spoken of are factual events I have observed at GS9, both as cop and an admin.
So does that mean that i9 are to blame for GS9 'factual events'?
If so, you would blame cops for such 'factual events' at LSPD?
Just because its populated, and yes odd things happen, including rule breaking, branding Deathmatchers on a group because they are based in that area is inaccurate.
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For those who think I am generalizing the entire Idlewood Gangs faction on the actions of one balla... yeah, tell me every time I saw rulebreaking and the wait-until-a-suspect-hides-in-our-middle-so-we-can-kill-any-cops-who-go-after-him in the area, that it all was from the exact same rowdy balla.
The reason why I see i9 members as having some of the blame is that because at times they are right at the middle of the events (both literally and figuratively), yet instead of restraining the other ballas from committing acts of DM, they are the ones intimidating the cops or displaying acts of aggression. They are leaders in the eyes of the common criminals in the area who flock to them, yet at times they are the ones leading the said acts, even if the cops who go after the GS are inexperienced ones.
Remember that when I watch over a situation as an admin, I am also watching over cops as much as I do over criminals. In fact, I was one of those who tended to use copban more often as a weapon of discipline, and would not hesitate to give One-Month-Copbans to regular officers who fuck around.
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For those who think I am generalizing the entire Idlewood Gangs faction on the actions of one balla... yeah, tell me every time I saw rulebreaking and the wait-until-a-suspect-hides-in-our-middle-so-we-can-kill-any-cops-who-go-after-him in the area, that it all was from the exact same rowdy balla.
The reason why I see i9 members as having some of the blame is that because at times they are right at the middle of the events (both literally and figuratively), yet instead of restraining the other ballas from committing acts of DM, they are the ones intimidating the cops or displaying acts of aggression. They are leaders in the eyes of the common criminals in the area who flock to them, yet at times they are the ones leading the said acts, even if the cops who go after the GS are inexperienced ones.
Remember that when I watch over a situation as an admin, I am also watching over cops as much as I do over criminals. In fact, I was one of those who tended to use copban more often as a weapon of discipline, and would not hesitate to give One-Month-Copbans to regular officers who f**k around.
Events which i9 Organize, haven't been 'Run around, shoot everything that moves', it has always been more organized, if you see some random Ballas, doesn't mean they're even associated with i9, being that i9 is a group to offer a role-play example, most new players would try to display themselves as Ballas, but that doesn't mean Inferno 9 control their actions. I haven't questioned your observations over both criminal and opposing sides, however I have disagreement of blaming i9 for such activity, which singular players commit on their own behalf.
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Yet, some of the gang wars I have seen were led by or partaken in by i9 members. In such cases, they should be able to restrain the ballas around them from DM instead of remaining silent about / condoning it, and seek admin assistance if they cannot do it on their own. The administration would be more than happy to prevent the mass outbreak of such DM events.
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Events which i9 Organize, haven't been 'Run around, shoot everything that moves'[...]
It was more like 'get 50 random people, get all of them wanted, camp and kill cops'...
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The problem is that the more our community progresses, the more people care only about money and the more they care about money the less RP is possible.
My thought is that it's not RP who is dieing. It's the community.
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This topic is almost a big discussion/argument about the Inferno 9 now, and moan towards the group.
It's going way out of hand.
Either keep on topic or take the off topic to forum PM/msn/cb ingame whatever.
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It was more like 'get 50 random people, get all of them wanted, camp and kill cops'...
Not really. If you would be in their channel at that time you would see that main cbalert would be /cbalert Do not do anything to get wanted!
What happens is that you got some kilos of Uranium on one side and some kilos of uranium on other side. When one random guy, who have maybe just come to check out what's happening gets wanted it's as good as putting those two unstable uranium together...kaboom
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The reason why I see i9 members as having some of the blame is that because at times they are right at the middle of the events (both literally and figuratively), yet instead of restraining the other ballas from committing acts of DM, they are the ones intimidating the cops or displaying acts of aggression. They are leaders in the eyes of the common criminals in the area who flock to them, yet at times they are the ones leading the said acts, even if the cops who go after the GS are inexperienced ones.
When I see things like this I get pissed off, you obviously don't know what you're talking about. Firstly, you've been gone for a good ~ 5-9 months, at the times this group has been as most active. I'am not saying that 'ballas' are completely innocent and right in every action they do, but what people trend to do these days is giving Inferno 9 the blame for things 'ballas' do. If a balla does something, it's i9's fault and now that's wrong isn't it?
It's easier to spectate an event, rather than being part of it and be the one having to make orders.
As for the thing "9r2e5i3k" here said about "being 50 'random' people, get wanted and kill cops". We're not trying to gather up a large amount of people and get it at the cops, it's really not the actual truth. People find it interesting to be part of our roleplays for some reason, maybe cause we make it in a way they find enjoyable? What do I know.
So what I'd like to ask you is to step in our shoes for a little, try to look at everything from our view before you stab the wrong people, rather than being the one blowing everyone up with a Hydra.
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INFERNO 9 is and has always been a dedicated new player welcoming group. We actively pursue new players in a bid to offer them an alternative to joining the SAPD for which they would otherwise lean towards. We offer new players a systematic program in which we supplement their development over a period of time through moderately challenging scenarios and missions. The purpose of this is to brace them for the good and bad in our community but also to prepare them to move onto new groups including the SAPD equipped with principles to succeed. Our vision is based on creativity, brotherhood and dependence on one another - any player found to be exploiting this will be promptly removed in line with internal control procedures.
Our infrastructure is time tested and is demonstrated through our prudent record in the community. Since opening in 09, we've not had any member in INFERNO 9 banned with the exception of Kevin McCollins who committed the offense prior to being invited. Our relations with community leaders, managers, admins, moderators and high ranking SAPD members are positive, consistent and aligned to meet common goals in meeting the Argonath vision. On par with this, our activity showcases our goodwill for this community in which we aim to positively contribute. It's unwise to blindly point fingers judging from experience and activity. Looking at facts and figures it's clear that their observations are based on limited experience and exposure to modern times in Argonath:
- [RPIT]JDC_Kolta 158 hours, 35 minutes
- =AV=9r2e5i3k 226 hours, 11 minutes
- Cofiliano_Gvardia 534 hours, 04 minutes
- Leroy_Hudson 894 hours, 35 minutes
- [i9]Chaska_Aregas 1241 hours, 54 minutes
- [i9]Frank_Hawk 1167 hours, 02 minutes
Idlewood is without a shadow of a doubt - a fragile town where the relationship between the SAPD and INFERNO 9 remains dysfunctional. This relationship is only remains for in-game scenarios for which the purpose of roleplay exists. This in-game relationship is overshadowed by our out-of-game relationship with the SAPD which remains ever-growingly positive and friendly. In stark contrast, the video brought to our attention by Chaska is a taster of what our new players face on a daily basis. Naturally, we do everything in our power to keep our players positive and in line with the rules - but as seen in the SAPD, a rouge element always remains and the need for pressing action remains.
In all, we remain compliant with Argonath rules. If you have any credible evidence that we are rulebreaking, you know the process.
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rather than being the one blowing everyone up with a Hydra.
I don't have any access to a Hydra.
@Frank
Those are only accumulated hours of being present on the server, not actual activity. And you're known for standing IDLE/AFK at Idlewood all day long.
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I don't have any access to a Hydra.
@Frank
Those are only accumulated hours of being present on the server, not actual activity. And you're known for standing IDLE/AFK at Idlewood all day long.
I think the Hydra thing was for JDC, not you Grzesiek.
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Accumulated hours or not, the database started recording from 21/09/10 onwards - this is a accurate representation of overall activity in-game.
As for being known for being AFK all day, I'm also known for eating Big Mac's all day - I hope you don't believe this too :D
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The hydra was a drastic measure, after the criminal group repeatedly shut off LSPD and terrorized Idlewood with gang wars, effectively making the transition from hoodlums to terrorists.
Also, if I was indeed inactive, I would have been removed from the Admin Team. Instead, the opposite has happened.
I know what I have seen.
In stark contrast to many players who stand at GS9 and go AFK, I observe the events in server when I work as a cop or as an admin.
Instead of confining myself to one place or role, I actually go around and see a lot of things.
Also, please note that the name [RPIT]JDC_Kolta is a new name, being only almost one month old, as I changed from a previous name. The other names included in the stats you mentioned have been around since, what, 2009?
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One more time for the last time, everyone wants to believe. Rich cats are not responsable for RP being dead. It's the regular mainstream poor cats that have started this era. If we want to get on track again, we have do start from the scratch and ask ourselfs what is important and what's not. Money or mainstream-cats? From there we can start the rebuilding of what some people call "RP". Do not forget that starting up things can be a hard process. It has to be a 100 percent honest attempt.
Good and bad, i swear i've had them both, they're overrated, but is it fun when you get hold of one. Over and out.
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Lustig once again sums it all up.
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frank, still wish Remo was here?
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Lustig once again sums it all up.
I agree to 100 percent with you Malcolm :lol:
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How much ignorance is the maximum, kids?
It was more like 'get 50 random people, get all of them wanted, camp and kill cops'...
This amount.
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Seriously you posted this from your mobile?
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Sorry to say but the RP is dead, their are only certain individuals that are trying to RP.
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If you knew anything about me, you'd know I work offshore and I'm unable to play.
I left the fifth of april, so I've been gone for around two weeks, yeah.
You lost the point... The thing is that here on forums are sitting several people who do not play server already for a long time and still shit our server and players...
And yeah - those are FOR SURE moaners...
As about criminal groups and ARPD...
I saw here a point that it is very difficult to control all 30 guys so do not blame all group just cos one guy deathmatched a cop...
Should cops demand the reverse attitude? And will you all stop fucking moaning about freecops just cos one of them deathmatched you?
Yes it is difficult to control 30 players... It is just impossible... I know it from making movies... such a peaceful role as movie director, still there will be one ass who will spoil everything...
With this lets set the points:
Police department is not just 30 players... Still from them you all demand a zomg discipline... You do not want to count that its difficult to control all those officers...
So either you all understand the same thing reversal or do not start playing football only with one goals...
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You lost the point... The thing is that here on forums are sitting several people who do not play server already for a long time and still shit our server and players...
And yeah - those are FOR SURE moaners...
I'm not shitting on your server, I love it, that's why I play here. I'm always active when I'm home from work..
All I said was that I think it's sad that some SAPD members actualy go straight up to a suspect, start spraying him with short bursts of spray to keep him in place, not giving him any choice in the roleplay and then yelling at him to "give up" or "/gu". They're supposed to be a elite roleplaying group. If I had seen anyone do that while I still had a rank in SAPD I would have yelled at them.
I am NOT saying all SAPD do this, but I have seen individuals who are a member of the SAPD.
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As about criminal groups and ARPD...
I saw here a point that it is very difficult to control all 30 guys so do not blame all group just cos one guy deathmatched a cop...
Should cops demand the reverse attitude? And will you all stop f**king moaning about freecops just cos one of them deathmatched you?
Go to here to see who start to put blames on each others first.
As both an Admin and a cop, I have seen many times, that a horde of criminals attacks every cop they see, ironically led sometimes by i9 members. GS9 has become a DM zone.
Police department is not just 30 players... Still from them you all demand a zomg discipline... You do not want to count that its difficult to control all those officers...
True.I don't denied the fact that we're wrong in the first place if we put blame on each other no matter what attempt.
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I'm not shitting on your server, I love it, that's why I play here. I'm always active when I'm home from work..
I am NOT saying all SAPD do this, but I have seen individuals who are a member of the SAPD.
Moaning and making server looks like it is a server of abusive cops is the right shitting the server... Especially by people who actually do not play there...
If you talk about individuals, stop constantly reminding the group they are playing in and use for that their nicks...
Go to here to see who start to put blames on each others first.True.I don't denied the fact that we're wrong in the first place if we put blame on each other no matter what attempt.
From the start of the server there were complaints ONLY on cops... For 3 years every cop was listening to the shit that he is abusive... He did not say the correct phrase, he did not aim correct at suspect, he did not drop the arrested guy to the cells of the department the suspect wished, he did not drive the car properly, he uses (ZOMG) the same weapons as criminals, etc etc etc...
And when cops started talking about criminals groups and their deathmatch (as it IS) guys at once: "Do not judge by one person!"
It is sick, It is low, it is awfully annoying...
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In fact, I said quite the opposite.
Those who think the RP is dead, go read the first word of each paragraph, there's a message for you.
You
Just
Lost
The
Game
Nice one JDC
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You
Just
Lost
The
Game
Nice one JDC
z0mfg mind = blown!
(http://washingtonbus.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/mindblown.jpg)
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Moaning and making server looks like it is a server of abusive cops is the right shitting the server... Especially by people who actually do not play there...
If you talk about individuals, stop constantly reminding the group they are playing in and use for that their nicks...
You are not even listening to what I'm saying.
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You are not even listening to what I'm saying.
I guess you aren't :redface: