Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: TheRock on June 21, 2012, 03:08:24 am
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Do not attack others without a proper role-play reason;
Do not escape if surrendered to the police (follow cops to the police department);
Greetings fellow players! I'd like to remind a few of you some things that most do on a daily basis on the server, and which are against the server rules.
Criminals:
You guys are meant to evade the police, not go after them randomly to any cop you see or follow them on purpose so they will go after you. Copbaiting is against the rules!
( :ps: Purposely doing it will get you heavily punished, can be dealt with a ban/kick or even a weapons revoke plus serve in Admin-Jail.)
Abused?
In such case, you should never whine on the chat or especially shout in caps "HELP IM ABUSED". You must surrender imediatelly (/gu) if you feel abused, and ask for an investigation! If you ever happen to be 'abused' and you do not surrender(/gu), the crime will be valid by refusing to co-operate and by fleeing.
After being punished/kicked incorrectly:
- You may return to the server, and PM the admin who punished you CALMLY. If you talk back or flame back, things wont be nice.
- You may use the community e-mail to report the administrator in case you feel the move was invalid ([email protected])
- Let it be a lesson if the punishment was fair, and treat/respect rules next time.
Last but not least, remember that you should respect every player equally. Treat others nice, the same way you'd want to be treated!
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If criminal is cop baiting. Please be specific in report. (Usually it is ramming, deathmatching etc).
Cause sometimes cops can be lazy and report for copbaiting rather than just RP with criminals :poke:
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I haven't been abused in a long time, but I never /gu'ed when I was abused, since last time I did it and asked for investigation guy confirmed he'll give me one and then forced me into the jail block.
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Regarding the "suspects are meant to evade" thing.
What if I have a personal grudge against PD members and want all of them dead until I am dead myself?
I mean, evading only as rule is limiting a decent amount of roleplay.
And the /gu and investigation rule is complete and utter bullcrap.
If I got a dime for every time I got abused I would be a millionaire right now.
Abuse will always be there, but I don't want to waste my time on investigations every time some cop wants his $200.
A new system should be made for abused people.
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Nice work rock
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Greetings fellow players! I'd like to remind a few of you some things that most do on a daily basis on the server, and which are against the server rules.
Criminals:
You guys are meant to evade the police, not go after them randomly to any cop you see or follow them on purpose so they will go after you. Copbaiting is against the rules!
( :ps: Purposely doing it will get you heavily punished, can be dealt with a ban/kick or even a weapons revoke plus serve in Admin-Jail.)
Abused?
In such case, you should never whine on the chat or especially shout in caps "HELP IM ABUSED". You must surrender imediatelly (/gu) if you feel abused, and ask for an investigation! If you ever happen to be 'abused' and you do not surrender(/gu), the crime will be valid by refusing to co-operate and by fleeing.
After being punished/kicked incorrectly:
- You may return to the server, and PM the admin who punished you CALMLY. If you talk back or flame back, things wont be nice.
- You may use the community e-mail to report the administrator in case you feel the move was invalid ([email protected])
- Let it be a lesson if the punishment was fair, and treat/respect rules next time.
Last but not least, remember that you should respect every player equally. Treat others nice, the same way you'd want to be treated!
Trying to win your admin position back so soon by posting such silly topics?
Ok, include in your next topic a tutorial on how to take a shit IG whilst not breaking the rules. Thanks.
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Trying to win your admin position back so soon by posting such silly topics?
Ok, include in your next topic a tutorial on how to take a shit IG whilst not breaking the rules. Thanks.
Provoking isn't welcomes here, the items that rock said are perfect
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You may return to the server, and PM the admin who punished you CALMLY.
CALMLY? Dream on, when I do that they say, -Cut the conversation- same random shit.
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Provoking isn't welcomes here, the items that rock said are perfect
Sorry but I really need guidance on how can I take a poo IG without breaking the rules. If Mr. Rock feels free to advise me I'd be very glad.
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Sorry but I really need guidance on how can I take a poo IG without breaking the rules. If Mr. Rock feels free to advise me I'd be very glad.
i can teach you.. in a week you'll be pro at pissing ig without breaking the rules! :neutral:
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Oh, I really hope this topic helps to change at least SOMETHING, as 80 percent of current 'criminals' are definetly far from that.
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Regarding the "suspects are meant to evade" thing.
What if I have a personal grudge against PD members and want all of them dead until I am dead myself?
I mean, evading only as rule is limiting a decent amount of roleplay.
And the /gu and investigation rule is complete and utter bullcrap.
If I got a dime for every time I got abused I would be a millionaire right now.
Abuse will always be there, but I don't want to waste my time on investigations every time some cop wants his $200.
A new system should be made for abused people.
If you have personal grudge against a cop (RP reason) then surely it would be easier to not be /su at the time, if not get jailed quickly, so not all the cops are chasing you - then take out your revenge afterwards? Otherwise it sounds like you just want to DM cops and say "oh I had reason to cophunt".
/gu and investigation is not a rule! /gu freezes players so if abused, cops cannot kill you when surrendered, whilst giving you time to get investigated. If it is clear abuse then you should get cancelled without much trouble. Perhaps what you think is "abuse" is just you trying to worm out of crime? Abuse is usually very obvious.
If you want to run or fight that is fine, you cannot shout "Abuse!" afterwards after evading and committing more crimes.
If you want to stand there without /gu and call for admins, that's fine too. But if rogue cop shoots you, that is what /gu is for.
If you are abused, call SAPD or admins. Surrender to cops to allow time for admins or SAPD to understand the situation and get to you.
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I meant to say that when I get suspected for "assault" when I'm just driving my car, I always have to /gu and investigate to lose my wanted level. Else I get sprayed by cops.
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Cops should remember that the moment you engage a suspect, you are fair game for that suspect indefinitely.
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If you were to be a criminal, your instinct isn't to instantly run from the police, it would be to fight until you're out of ammo, you're dead, or if you think you can't fight for long.
It's not commit crime, run away, be happy
It's commit crime, survive, be happy
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I meant to say that when I get suspected for "assault" when I'm just driving my car, I always have to /gu and investigate to lose my wanted level. Else I get sprayed by cops.
Please give me at least one time and date when this happened.
If you can not use the banana rule.
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Please give me at least one time and date when this happened.
If you can not use the banana rule.
it happens also for me, he isnt the only one who drives in his infernus and get suspected for something that he hasnt done
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Abused?
In such case, you should never whine on the chat or especially shout in caps "HELP IM ABUSED". You must surrender imediatelly (/gu) if you feel abused, and ask for an investigation! If you ever happen to be 'abused' and you do not surrender(/gu), the crime will be valid by refusing to co-operate and by fleeing.
This does not work at all. I have surrendered after being script abused with /su way too many times. I even bring in witnesses(who aren't Gvardia because Gvardia witnesses apparently aren't humans and can't say what they saw) and the witnesses who are just random bystanders I ask to come in tell the cops everything and I am always forced to go to jail. Most of the time I am throw in jail without even asking why, they just script abuse /jail and I tell an admin and "oh i didn't see it too bad". Also if you /gu and are trying to talk it over with people on why it was abuse, I have experienced some nice punishments for 'Not listening to police orders while /gu'd" and have threatened with a Ban by admins, for doing this exact rule. All I can say is come up with a new system because this one...sucks.
So from a fellow crinminal, take my advice...if you are suspected for something utterly stupid, you're on your own. Go roleplay with some friends or something as a suspect and act like you aren't even one. If a cop rolls in and decides to engage, kill them. Also the cop that suspected you, might as well shoot him too because if you try to roleplay hes gonna mow you down anyway. No I do not support the system being this way, but thats the way it is.
I haven't been abused in a long time, but I never /gu'ed when I was abused, since last time I did it and asked for investigation guy confirmed he'll give me one and then forced me into the jail block.
Yea and don't you love the part where they agree to give you one, bring you to the room near the Jail cells, then /jail you from upstairs. That's always a good one. Especially when you figure out they do that and ask for the investigation in a different room and then admins step in and will ban you if you don't listen.
Also Rock since you're creating a topic like this, why don't you create one on how Cops should do their job in game without breaking rules and being abusive. Instead of pointing your finger at criminals all the time using them as a scape goat for problems that happen between cops and criminals. You need to realize that it takes two to tango. I can guarantee both sides do something wrong in this scenarios. So please, come out with one for our lovely police force too. Include ways to report ARPD officers, and SAPD officers and everything aswell. That would help out the community quite a bit, and I honestly hope this topic stays as clean as possible so to the people replying, don't be TOO harsh on Rock, he only comprehends one side of the story ad doesn't take both sides into consideration.
Please give me at least one time and date when this happened.
If you can not use the banana rule.
He's being reasonable, some of the suspections are quite interesting. You as an owner should see some of them of course. Besides Stefano has it wrong, when you get pulled over and then suspected it isn't for assault...its usually something like 'atempt kill polic' or something along them lines. Then they whip out their deagle and begin shooting. Which results in the people in the car he pulled over to grab their guns and kill the cop. This then creates the police officer to usually say in public "I get Dm'd by the group so and so again" in which when I see that I usually report them for provoking. Most criminals who say that about anything else receive kicks or something. But yea, I think this is the usual scenario. If you want screen shots, I will gladly take some and email them to you. Won't be hard to get. Hell, I will keep fraps up so I can get you a nice video clip.
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Greetings fellow players! I'd like to remind a few of you some things that most do on a daily basis on the server, and which are against the server rules.
Criminals:
You guys are meant to evade the police, not go after them randomly to any cop you see or follow them on purpose so they will go after you. Copbaiting is against the rules!
( :ps: Purposely doing it will get you heavily punished, can be dealt with a ban/kick or even a weapons revoke plus serve in Admin-Jail.)
When a suspect passes me by I do not pursuit him unless needed.
Abused?
In such case, you should never whine on the chat or especially shout in caps "HELP IM ABUSED". You must surrender imediatelly (/gu) if you feel abused, and ask for an investigation! If you ever happen to be 'abused' and you do not surrender(/gu), the crime will be valid by refusing to co-operate and by fleeing.
This sadly happens a lot.
After being punished/kicked incorrectly:
- You may return to the server, and PM the admin who punished you CALMLY. If you talk back or flame back, things wont be nice.
- You may use the community e-mail to report the administrator in case you feel the move was invalid ([email protected])
- Let it be a lesson if the punishment was fair, and treat/respect rules next time.
Last but not least, remember that you should respect every player equally. Treat others nice, the same way you'd want to be treated!
Agree.
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He's being reasonable, some of the suspections are quite interesting. You as an owner should see some of them of course. Besides Stefano has it wrong, when you get pulled over and then suspected it isn't for assault...its usually something like 'atempt kill polic' or something along them lines. Then they whip out their deagle and begin shooting. Which results in the people in the car he pulled over to grab their guns and kill the cop. This then creates the police officer to usually say in public "I get Dm'd by the group so and so again" in which when I see that I usually report them for provoking. Most criminals who say that about anything else receive kicks or something. But yea, I think this is the usual scenario. If you want screen shots, I will gladly take some and email them to you. Won't be hard to get. Hell, I will keep fraps up so I can get you a nice video clip.
Which shows that instead of DMing cops who suspect you for false reason, you should /gu and go to the PD for investigation. If every player who gets suspected falsely would do this, the new cops on duty would receive teaching in what they do wrong and if they got under eyes of superiors a couple of times would be suspended from cop duty.
By your reaction fo shooting, you are teaching new players that its ok to suspect and hold a gunfight,
So once again its YOU who are giving the wronNg example and having the wRONg attitude towards new players.
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@gandalf, i do agree with you but sadly people doesnt have time to sit in investigation 1 hour, they came into the server to have fun and play, not to sit in the investigation room 1 hour to get suspected or even get jailed at the end..
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Please give me at least one time and date when this happened.
If you can not use the banana rule.
I don't usually write down dates of when I get abused, but from now on I will and I will keep you updated.
Hell, I will keep fraps up so I can get you a nice video clip.
Which shows that instead of DMing cops who suspect you for false reason, you should /gu and go to the PD for investigation. If every player who gets suspected falsely would do this, the new cops on duty would receive teaching in what they do wrong and if they got under eyes of superiors a couple of times would be suspended from cop duty.
By your reaction fo shooting, you are teaching new players that its ok to suspect and hold a gunfight,
So once again its YOU who are giving the wronNg example and having the wRONg attitude towards new players.
It's not that players are new and need a guiding, it's that they purposely misuse the /su command to get their money.
Also if I had to /gu and go for an investigation once or twice a week, sure. But once or twice a day? That's getting out of hand.
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I don't usually write down dates of when I get abused, but from now on I will and I will keep you updated.It's not that players are new and need a guiding, it's that they purposely misuse the /su command to get their money.
Also if I had to /gu and go for an investigation once or twice a week, sure. But once or twice a day? That's getting out of hand.
If they do they get copbanned. By constantly going for investigation you teach people. By shooting and complaining you make things worse. Lead by example, not by moaning.
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If they do they get copbanned. By constantly going for investigation you teach people. By shooting and complaining you make things worse. Lead by example, not by moaning.
Actually I never open fire nor do I moan, I just drive away, but I get your point.
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If they do they get copbanned. By constantly going for investigation you teach people. By shooting and complaining you make things worse. Lead by example, not by moaning.
yea sadly they do it only for money beacuse omg money is so improtant in a GAME.. people doesnt understand its a GAME and not real life where you need money.. idgaf about money, every guy who asks me for money gets atlaest 50000 or more beaucse i have nothing to do with that.. people should understand that its a game and you play for fun not for comptetion with other people who has more $$
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If they do they get copbanned. By constantly going for investigation you teach people. By shooting and complaining you make things worse. Lead by example, not by moaning.
Indeed.
It might take some time yes, but by doing this new players will learn how to roleplay as a police officer.
Shooting or moaning doesn't solve anything.
Seven out of ten times the person that abuses the /su command doesn't even know that he is doing something wrong unless told otherwise.
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Last but not least, remember that you should respect every player equally.
Then change topic's name, unless you're saying all criminals are moaners and copbaiters.
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Which shows that instead of DMing cops who suspect you for false reason, you should /gu and go to the PD for investigation. If every player who gets suspected falsely would do this, the new cops on duty would receive teaching in what they do wrong and if they got under eyes of superiors a couple of times would be suspended from cop duty.
By your reaction fo shooting, you are teaching new players that its ok to suspect and hold a gunfight,
So once again its YOU who are giving the wronNg example and having the wRONg attitude towards new players.
Did you not read what I said before that? It's me who's causing the problem? Also according to your little rules, that isn't DMing cops, as I said...when they ENGAGE. Anyway, It isn't my responsibility as a criminal to teach new cops on how to properly be a police officer in our community, if I was roleplaying a Cop I would gladly teach people how to properly handle situations and such. So quit making it seem that it's up to criminal players to show the 'new' cops how to properly roleplay a cop, sound good? Besides there are two sides to every coin, and I am trying to reveal the other side, which you're turning the cold shoulder to. Anyway, how about we have the SAPD hold trainings for these new cops so they know how to properly roleplay what they want. One other thing that needs to be pointed out is that nowhere in any of my text was I referring to just new cops, I was grouping them all as a whole. It's criminals fault that some cops are abusive with the /su command and usually start gun fights with criminals. Next time they will try to teach them how to be good civil police officers and how to roleplay, they will hold their hand as they hang around so we can be one big Criminal-Police family...oh please.
Honestly Gandalf it isn't me, you, rock, stefano, or just the people posting in this topic. This is a community wide problem that needs to be solved from both sides. You make it seem like I don't want to roleplay with people who are cops or whatever, by accusing me like this is Salem 1692 and I am a witch who is going to be burned is not helping anything out. I KNOW I am doing things right, I always follow the rules and try to influence others to do so. You want me to /gu and go to the police dept for an investigation that will result in script abusive /jail, fine think that way. I will stick with self defense and /guing to a cop that I KNOW isn't abusive, and talk to him about the abusive cop I saw. I prefer roleplay over gun fights ANYDAY. So as I stated before, this is a community problem, not just our own small situation. Especially when you consider that most of the SA:MP server is either Criminal or Cop. I really hope that people come together and quit pointing fingers at eachother constantly, not mature to accuse people when you don't even know them.
If they do they get copbanned. By constantly going for investigation you teach people. By shooting and complaining you make things worse. Lead by example, not by moaning.
This makes sense, this can be and should be applied to everyone on both sides of the situation. As for investigation, just turn yourself into a cop you know isn't abusive, therefore you can ahve that cop teach the other new cop(since this topic is now about new cops) how to use the commands and such.
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If they do they get copbanned. By constantly going for investigation you teach people. By shooting and complaining you make things worse. Lead by example, not by moaning.
Actually, quick ingame fact:
I have been playing for almost 2 years now, and i have barely come across, what like five deaths from new players?
The ones who actually dm are the old players. Most of them ex-SAPD or current-SWAT. They just buy guns and armor, and decide its not worth jailing people so they decide to pew pew on the spot, theres no rule stopping them right?:)
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@gandalf, i do agree with you but sadly people doesnt have time to sit in investigation 1 hour, they came into the server to have fun and play, not to sit in the investigation room 1 hour to get suspected or even get jailed at the end..
People that take an online game this seriously honestly are turning it into something too realistic, something which San Andreas was never meant to be as a base game. One hour doing one investigation? I've got better stuff to do than to sit in front of a computer for one straight hour pretending to defend myself and my rights to a bunch of, from what I've experienced, corrupted cops. It also is very stupid, in my opinion, to have to give up because of a cop's ignorance, as if it's my fault. Whenever I try to give my opinion about it, I get banana'd or get the "Hurr /gu". And before you start telling me to "teach them", how come I was never taught anything? I was never told regulations or anything. Even while being taken into training, I never followed any regulation. I'm sure they can do the same.
Please give me at least one time and date when this happened.
If you can not use the banana rule.
http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=26033.msg241452 (http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=26033.msg241452)
That's for me, for any others, you'll surely find some here.
http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?board=55.0 (http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?board=55.0)
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You should change the topic tittle "To EVERY suspect" not criminals.
Post Merge: June 22, 2012, 12:38:59 am
you should /gu and go to the PD for investigation. If every player who gets suspected falsely would do this,
Let me explain you how this works out, from the other side. Imagine Im a average criminal player who's a member of an average criminal group.
I go online to have some fun, criminal roleplay. I regroup with my fellow group members. We decide to create some nice criminal roleplay event, such as having a meeting with a rival group about territory issues. The meeting is setup in 14:00h, after that it will be consider the negotiations are over and the fractions are in war. We sit in 4 cars( lets say in every car there's 3 members). Riding the streets of Los Santos in a convoy, following the traffic rules, going to the desired destination. Cause of the lag, hackers, rammers, what ever reason the convoy is bout to get rammed. Few times. One of those times will be rammed by a cop, or the cars from the convoy will ram out a cop car cause they got rammed as well. Cop who was rammed suspects the guy for "reckless driving" altough they were following all traffic laws. Another cop who's close to it, instantly suspects the other people in the car for aiding. While the criminal members were typing : 'Wtf man, abuse, we didnt do shit why you suspect us' their tires were already taken down 'just in case'. During this time, members from the other cars got suspected as well, for having the same tag, or as some like to call it "aiding". Some of them gets kicked for moaning or spaming the admins for abuse. While waiting for admins to respond cops already opened fire so one of the cars from the convoy is destroyed.
Now the situation they're into (and solving it by method number 1):
-They've lost the car and are being shot on.
-They need to /gu and get investigated all one by one, which will take 10-15 min each minimum.
-Even if they manage to prove they didn't do anything, which rarly happens, they'll most likly be /jailed by cops abusers who're waiting at LSPD to jail free suspects.
-When the LSPD is done with them, they wont have their cars for the convoy. One got destroyed, other one despawn cause the owner was kicked for moaning about the abuse that happen, and the third one has flat tires. All 12 of them will stand on it, driving to the closest PnS so they can at least fix the tires so they can go back to their HQ to take the cars. While they're driving to PnS they'll get stopped for a 'routine check' cause its really wierd seeing a car with flat tires full of people and another 7-8 people on top of it. They'll have to pay a ticket for indangerous driving. At last, they reached the PnS and they've manage to get another car who was there.
-Now finnaly, they can go back to their HQ to get their cars for the convoy so the roleplay would look nice (so they wont show up in a random state owned truck they found and a caddy on the Mafia meeting).
-Cop sees a 2 cars full of Mafia members driving fast toward their HQ. He starts following them, hoping he will caught them doing something bad. Since they are hurrying in up, they speed a bit, and automaticly get suspected for "speeding and evading". Cop claims "I did /m2 when I was behind you" altough he was 500-600 m behind them, close enough just so he can suspect them.
- The suspected person goes with teh cop to the LSPD for /gu and investigation. The rest of people go with him as withnesses of cops missues of /sus. 3 of them continues to the HQ to get the cars to the LSPD, so they would save time while the suspected member gets investigatied.
-Now they're in LSPD waiting for a high rank officer to investigate the suspected member. None answers on the cops demand on /r to come. Cop says : Stay here dont move you /gu'd and he leaves. He doesnt show up in 15 minutes.
-Since they are bad with time, members have to leave the suspected member inside LSPD and go without him. He sits there waiting for someone to investigate him. No one shows up after 25 minutes. He then goes to the closest cop and ask him to jail him.
He gets jail for 180 seconds without investigation and for minor crime.
-The Group picks him up, and against in their nice roleplay convoy they are going toward the destination for the meeting. They got 70 percent chances that the same scenario with teh lag ram >sus for reckless driving>everyting over again is gonna happen to them.
-They had luck this time, and manage to arrive on the place of meeting. Its 15:24, and there's nobody there. They /id Group with which they were having a meeting and sees only one trial member online. They ask him where are the rest of his members, and he says they /q and that they can come rp a meeting tomorrow.
Tomorrow they're have a simliliar destiny, deja vu, this time maybe even the other group might have the same 'tour'.
OR(solving it by method number 2):
-They go out and blow the cop who was so smart to open fire on their tires and made himself a valid target in a pure self-defense, and the other cop who needs to be teached not to randomly suspect rest of the people in different car and as well shot their tires 'just in case', they go back in the cars, and drive away to the meeting, arriving in time, and continue doing what they wanted from the start: have fun, and some nice criminal roleplay.
Now tell me how many times should 'method number 1'happen in a row, to a group of young teenage people full of puberty, before they gonna lose their nuts, get a "f**k this shit" attitude etc?
And what would happen if every player/groups If every player who gets suspected falsely would do this? They would basicly go online to get /gu and investigated. And after some time they would stop doing it.
The method number 1 is a true story as well.
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every? lol.
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Trying to win your admin position back so soon by posting such silly topics?
Ok, include in your next topic a tutorial on how to take a shit IG whilst not breaking the rules. Thanks.
No, I know my way to win it and that's not by posting topics, but being in-game ;).. Topic was made since I'm totally FED up with criminals going after me or shooting me (copbaiting), in order that I go after them :) And furthermore, if you don't like such type of thread which are useful to our new players, nobody invited you to the thread ;).. Door's there. *Points the door* (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php)
Also Rock since you're creating a topic like this, why don't you create one on how Cops should do their job in game without breaking rules and being abusive.
Sure I will soon! :) But I need time to make it much detailed for new players to find it easy on how to get on the job and how to not abuse anybody!
Then change topic's name, unless you're saying all criminals are moaners and copbaiters.
I don't think I stated such thing anywhere ;) Message was directed to people who play on the criminal side, and the title will remain the same.
-Now they're in LSPD waiting for a high rank officer to investigate the suspected member. None answers on the cops demand on /r to come. Cop says : Stay here dont move you /gu'd and he leaves. He doesnt show up in 15 minutes.
-Since they are bad with time, members have to leave the suspected member inside LSPD and go without him. He sits there waiting for someone to investigate him. No one shows up after 25 minutes. He then goes to the closest cop and ask him to jail him.
He gets jail for 180 seconds without investigation and for minor crime.
Simple, by explaining the cop that he was already waiting such a long time before accepting to be jailed, would deal the problem.
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Now the situation they're into (and solving it by method number 1):
-They've lost the car and are being shot on.
-They need to /gu and get investigated all one by one, which will take 10-15 min each minimum.
-Even if they manage to prove they didn't do anything, which rarly happens, they'll most likly be /jailed by cops abusers who're waiting at LSPD to jail free suspects.
-When the LSPD is done with them, they wont have their cars for the convoy. One got destroyed, other one despawn cause the owner was kicked for moaning about the abuse that happen, and the third one has flat tires. All 12 of them will stand on it, driving to the closest PnS so they can at least fix the tires so they can go back to their HQ to take the cars. While they're driving to PnS they'll get stopped for a 'routine check' cause its really wierd seeing a car with flat tires full of people and another 7-8 people on top of it. They'll have to pay a ticket for indangerous driving. At last, they reached the PnS and they've manage to get another car who was there.
-Now finnaly, they can go back to their HQ to get their cars for the convoy so the roleplay would look nice (so they wont show up in a random state owned truck they found and a caddy on the Mafia meeting).
-Cop sees a 2 cars full of Mafia members driving fast toward their HQ. He starts following them, hoping he will caught them doing something bad. Since they are hurrying in up, they speed a bit, and automaticly get suspected for "speeding and evading". Cop claims "I did /m2 when I was behind you" altough he was 500-600 m behind them, close enough just so he can suspect them.
- The suspected person goes with teh cop to the LSPD for /gu and investigation. The rest of people go with him as withnesses of cops missues of /sus. 3 of them continues to the HQ to get the cars to the LSPD, so they would save time while the suspected member gets investigatied.
-Now they're in LSPD waiting for a high rank officer to investigate the suspected member. None answers on the cops demand on /r to come. Cop says : Stay here dont move you /gu'd and he leaves. He doesnt show up in 15 minutes.
-Since they are bad with time, members have to leave the suspected member inside LSPD and go without him. He sits there waiting for someone to investigate him. No one shows up after 25 minutes. He then goes to the closest cop and ask him to jail him.
He gets jail for 180 seconds without investigation and for minor crime.
-The Group picks him up, and against in their nice roleplay convoy they are going toward the destination for the meeting. They got 70 percent chances that the same scenario with teh lag ram >sus for reckless driving>everyting over again is gonna happen to them.
-They had luck this time, and manage to arrive on the place of meeting. Its 15:24, and there's nobody there. They /id Group with which they were having a meeting and sees only one trial member online. They ask him where are the rest of his members, and he says they /q and that they can come rp a meeting tomorrow.
Tomorrow they're have a simliliar destiny, deja vu, this time maybe even the other group might have the same 'tour'.
This post made me cry. every. time.
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You should change the topic tittle "To EVERY suspect" not criminals.
Post Merge: June 22, 2012, 12:38:59 am
Let me explain you how this works out, from the other side. Imagine Im a average criminal player who's a member of an average criminal group.
I go online to have some fun, criminal roleplay. I regroup with my fellow group members. We decide to create some nice criminal roleplay event, such as having a meeting with a rival group about territory issues. The meeting is setup in 14:00h, after that it will be consider the negotiations are over and the fractions are in war. We sit in 4 cars( lets say in every car there's 3 members). Riding the streets of Los Santos in a convoy, following the traffic rules, going to the desired destination. Cause of the lag, hackers, rammers, what ever reason the convoy is bout to get rammed. Few times. One of those times will be rammed by a cop, or the cars from the convoy will ram out a cop car cause they got rammed as well. Cop who was rammed suspects the guy for "reckless driving" altough they were following all traffic laws. Another cop who's close to it, instantly suspects the other people in the car for aiding. While the criminal members were typing : 'Wtf man, abuse, we didnt do shit why you suspect us' their tires were already taken down 'just in case'. During this time, members from the other cars got suspected as well, for having the same tag, or as some like to call it "aiding". Some of them gets kicked for moaning or spaming the admins for abuse. While waiting for admins to respond cops already opened fire so one of the cars from the convoy is destroyed.
Now the situation they're into (and solving it by method number 1):
-They've lost the car and are being shot on.
-They need to /gu and get investigated all one by one, which will take 10-15 min each minimum.
-Even if they manage to prove they didn't do anything, which rarly happens, they'll most likly be /jailed by cops abusers who're waiting at LSPD to jail free suspects.
-When the LSPD is done with them, they wont have their cars for the convoy. One got destroyed, other one despawn cause the owner was kicked for moaning about the abuse that happen, and the third one has flat tires. All 12 of them will stand on it, driving to the closest PnS so they can at least fix the tires so they can go back to their HQ to take the cars. While they're driving to PnS they'll get stopped for a 'routine check' cause its really wierd seeing a car with flat tires full of people and another 7-8 people on top of it. They'll have to pay a ticket for indangerous driving. At last, they reached the PnS and they've manage to get another car who was there.
-Now finnaly, they can go back to their HQ to get their cars for the convoy so the roleplay would look nice (so they wont show up in a random state owned truck they found and a caddy on the Mafia meeting).
-Cop sees a 2 cars full of Mafia members driving fast toward their HQ. He starts following them, hoping he will caught them doing something bad. Since they are hurrying in up, they speed a bit, and automaticly get suspected for "speeding and evading". Cop claims "I did /m2 when I was behind you" altough he was 500-600 m behind them, close enough just so he can suspect them.
- The suspected person goes with teh cop to the LSPD for /gu and investigation. The rest of people go with him as withnesses of cops missues of /sus. 3 of them continues to the HQ to get the cars to the LSPD, so they would save time while the suspected member gets investigatied.
-Now they're in LSPD waiting for a high rank officer to investigate the suspected member. None answers on the cops demand on /r to come. Cop says : Stay here dont move you /gu'd and he leaves. He doesnt show up in 15 minutes.
-Since they are bad with time, members have to leave the suspected member inside LSPD and go without him. He sits there waiting for someone to investigate him. No one shows up after 25 minutes. He then goes to the closest cop and ask him to jail him.
He gets jail for 180 seconds without investigation and for minor crime.
-The Group picks him up, and against in their nice roleplay convoy they are going toward the destination for the meeting. They got 70 percent chances that the same scenario with teh lag ram >sus for reckless driving>everyting over again is gonna happen to them.
-They had luck this time, and manage to arrive on the place of meeting. Its 15:24, and there's nobody there. They /id Group with which they were having a meeting and sees only one trial member online. They ask him where are the rest of his members, and he says they /q and that they can come rp a meeting tomorrow.
Tomorrow they're have a simliliar destiny, deja vu, this time maybe even the other group might have the same 'tour'.
OR(solving it by method number 2):
-They go out and blow the cop who was so smart to open fire on their tires and made himself a valid target in a pure self-defense, and the other cop who needs to be teached not to randomly suspect rest of the people in different car and as well shot their tires 'just in case', they go back in the cars, and drive away to the meeting, arriving in time, and continue doing what they wanted from the start: have fun, and some nice criminal roleplay.
Now tell me how many times should 'method number 1'happen in a row, to a group of young teenage people full of puberty, before they gonna lose their nuts, get a "f**k this shit" attitude etc?
And what would happen if every player/groups If every player who gets suspected falsely would do this? They would basicly go online to get /gu and investigated. And after some time they would stop doing it.
The method number 1 is a true story as well.
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I have had WAY too many instances where I will be sitting on the side of the road, a freecop hits ME, /HITS ME/, and yet somehow I get suspected for "ramming police officer" or some random bullshit like that. Now that's a bit outrageous wouldn't you think? Don't even give me the "Teach the cop" or the "/gu and investigate" bullshit. I have one objective, do what I need to, without any problems. I, the player in Argonath, should not be obligated to teach every fucking freecop that abuses me. Why is the ARPD there? To Serve and to Protect, not Kill and Suspect. NOT KILL AND SUSPECT. If this is their motto, shouldn't they me teaching their brand new cops? There is almost ALWAYS an SAPD Cadet+ online. A cadet already know the ropes. Therefore, the Cadet should be the one teaching the freecop or any other SAPD officer online, not the criminals who don't roleplay being police. I am not here to start a flame war or provoke anybody, but I am tired of the police stating that their "/gu and investigate" system is perfect. Every time I see that I want to flip my desk over and walk away. Hopefuly, this helps out with the opinion of the players, and can help change the "opinion" of SAPD command staff, in hopefully changing how these people think, and perhaps making Argonath a safer place.
Warm regards,
Adam
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People that take an online game this seriously honestly are turning it into something too realistic, something which San Andreas was never meant to be as a base game. One hour doing one investigation? I've got better stuff to do than to sit in front of a computer for one straight hour pretending to defend myself and my rights to a bunch of, from what I've experienced, corrupted cops. It also is very stupid, in my opinion, to have to give up because of a cop's ignorance, as if it's my fault. Whenever I try to give my opinion about it, I get banana'd or get the "Hurr /gu". And before you start telling me to "teach them", how come I was never taught anything? I was never told regulations or anything. Even while being taken into training, I never followed any regulation. I'm sure they can do the same.
http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=26033.msg241452 (http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=26033.msg241452)
That's for me, for any others, you'll surely find some here.
http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?board=55.0 (http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?board=55.0)
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im with you bro
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I don't think I stated such thing anywhere ;) Message was directed to people who play on the criminal side, and the title will remain the same.
By this post I imagine you think the police side is perfect, right? get your facts straight
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By this post I imagine you think the police side is perfect, right? get your facts straight
I believe thats something you should do, if you had actually read the whole post you would understand that I don't think what you said, but I'm also planing to create a detailed guide for new players on how to be fair on their duty.. But ofcourse, tl;dr ye?
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I believe thats something you should do, if you had actually read the whole post you would understand that I don't think what you said, but I'm also planing to create a detailed guide for new players on how to be fair on their duty.. But ofcourse, tl;dr ye?
Much talking less work, thats the deal as everyone see. That will not work, IF YOU ACTUALLY READ THE POSTS.The ones who actually dm are the old players. Most of them ex-SAPD or current-SWAT. They just buy guns and armor, and decide its not worth jailing people so they decide to pew pew on the spot.
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You should indeed get your fucking facts straight. You made this topic with this name as you thought that all the criminals are same. Sorry- but you don't have any proper knowledg e on criminals here.
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Try to RP with cops --> they report you for copbaiting --> admin punishes you
Try to not RP with cops --> you get suspected for "not complying" or something
Of course this does not happen all the time with all of the cops.. some of them are cool :D
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Please give me at least one time and date when this happened.
If you can not use the banana rule.
Sorry,I have forgotten the date of it but have video recorded.
Although it's not happen when I drive a car and get suspected but hope you watch it too see if it is actually the case or people are just "exaggerating" and still in a untouchable believe that "cop abuse" do not exist in Argonath.
SA-MP copcrime (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm4tDOSLJHw#)
Post Merge: June 22, 2012, 02:26:33 pm
Criminals:
You guys are meant to evade the police, not go after them randomly to any cop you see or follow them on purpose so they will go after you. Copbaiting is against the rules!
( :ps: Purposely doing it will get you heavily punished, can be dealt with a ban/kick or even a weapons revoke plus serve in Admin-Jail.)
I prefer my own way to deal with them when I'm suspected.
I killed a cop,my wanted level increased.
A cop kill me,he earns and I will be punished for 1K.Fair deal.
If you don't like my ways,then roll and don't come and say OMG copbaiter,DMer when people with pretty uniform are being raped by 10 people who carrying guns on the street,telling blue dot folks to roll 100times and still like a Superhero spraying them with one powerful deagle ,LMFAO and when being killed,shouting OMG DMer,Cophunter.
How Irony.
Post Merge: June 22, 2012, 02:34:13 pm
No, I know my way to win it and that's not by posting topics, but being in-game ;).. Topic was made since I'm totally FED up with criminals going after me or shooting me (copbaiting), in order that I go after them :) And furthermore, if you don't like such type of thread which are useful to our new players, nobody invited you to the thread ;).. Door's there.
If you're fed up because of some criminal chase you and shoot you,then I can surely allege that I'm 100times more fed up than you with cops
Nothing to argue about.
SA-MP copcrime (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm4tDOSLJHw#)
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^@ That video, those are the morons ruining the server.
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^@ That video, those are the morons ruining the server.
Not to mention they do it all the fucking time.
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I don't think I stated such thing anywhere ;) Message was directed to people who play on the criminal side, and the title will remain the same.
Are you accusing me of being a copbaiter and a moaner? If not, then change the title.
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Are you accusing me of being a copbaiter and a moaner? If not, then change the title.
Using common sense he clearly means every criminal that breaks the rules or what so ever or those who do not know the rules. Why are you being such a hypocrite (no offense intended, but just look at yourself) and taking the title literally?
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Using common sense he clearly means every criminal that breaks the rules or what so ever or those who do not know the rules. Why are you being such a hypocrite (no offense intended, but just look at yourself) and taking the title literally?
I'd like to remind a few of you some things that most do on a daily basis on the server, and which are against the server rules.
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Most criminals do break the rules Rock mentioned. No doubt.
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Most criminals do break the rules. No doubt.
Many cops break the rules, too. So what?
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Many cops break the rules, too. So what?
Irrelevant to the subject that's being talked about. Don't use excuses such as cops being bad guys to the behavior of the general criminals.
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Most criminals do break the rules Rock mentioned. No doubt.
And most cops are openly abusive.
Did you see what I did there?
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Irrelevant to the subject that's being talked about. Don't use excuses such as cops being bad guys to the behavior of the general criminals.
'general criminals.' You proceeded to Change the subject after Mario quotes something the same Topic creator said to contradict what you think the title of the topic was. Why not explain yourself for that.
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From now on,I highly doubt the justice from administration after some of them have stated their assumption criminal have been doing rule-break.
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And most cops are openly abusive.
Did you see what I did there?
Yes and I disagree, unless you are talking only about ARPD.
'general criminals.' You proceeded to Change the subject after Mario quotes something the same Topic creator said to contradict what you think the title of the topic was. Why not explain yourself for that.
I do mean most and usual suspects by general criminals.
Post Merge: June 22, 2012, 04:39:17 pm
From now on,I highly doubt the justice from administration after some of them have stated their assumption criminal have been doing rule-break.
Define justice. And you think I am assuming?
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Not to mention they do it all the f**king time.
They still do it.. discreetly. :cool:
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Yes and I disagree, unless you are talking only about ARPD.
Nice one. Categorizing cops?
Why don't you categorize the criminal? Why don't you categorize criminals into Gvardia,corleone,Balla then?
Why you generalize all of them into "general criminal"?
Post Merge: June 22, 2012, 04:39:17 pm
Define justice.
[/quote]Define justice?Are you Fking kidding me?
Go grab a dictionary and learn what it means instead of showing how naive people who need a defintion of justice are.
Most criminals do break the rules. No doubt.
Define most.%? how many criminal out of 10?
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Irrelevant to the subject that's being talked about. Don't use excuses such as cops being bad guys to the behavior of the general criminals.
It's not an excuse. :)
There is no such thing as "too many rule-breakers". But there is a thing called "not competent administration".
To be honest, on SA-MP I ignore 90% of players who attempt to role-play with me because it's boring and repetitive. When they say "hello sir (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/48339001/sru.gif)" I already know it's going be a waste of time. I don't want to RP the same situation for the 5000th time and I don't. However, I never ignore those who have to interact with me as a result of my actions. I also don't kill cops for fun and I do my best not to break the rules. Check out my 2012 punishment record, if you want.
There actually are criminals who don't get /suspected and commit crimes while wearing a white name. Any scripted law enforcement organizations, who hunt down orange names, will never be able to do anything to them. There are also many players who registered around 2006-2009 and still don't know how to use /me, yet call themselves veterans. Contrary to the popular belief, newcomers are not the ones to blame for the lack of RP in Argonath. Most newbies don't stay anyway.
There was a lack of RP in the "glorious MTA:VC days", there is a lack of RP today. Not much changed since then. It's not actually a problem, it's the way Argonath is. The owners give players enough freedom to do almost anything they want and that's very kind of them. No one is actually forced to do anything. You can spend the whole day driving around or talking on /p instead of role-playing. It's allowed.
I really don't understand why you want to "bad girl" here about rule-breakers, while you have admin rights. As far as I am concerned, you are always free to resign, if you can't do your job properly. ;)
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Yes and I disagree, unless you are talking only about ARPD.
So what you do when you are on admin. duty? One of this choises.
[ ] You can't do your job, because you just don't do it.
or
[ ] Your taking favoritism to the police.
Irrelevant to the subject that's being talked about. Don't use excuses such as cops being bad guys to the behavior of the general criminals.
Now I see what the administration think about police.
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Actually, quick ingame fact:
I have been playing for almost 2 years now, and i have barely come across, what like five deaths from new players?
The ones who actually dm are the old players. Most of them ex-SAPD or current-SWAT. They just buy guns and armor, and decide its not worth jailing people so they decide to pew pew on the spot, theres no rule stopping them right?:)
Same rules apply to everyone. It does not matter if they are old or new, if they do not follow the rules they get banned.
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Same rules apply to everyone. It does not matter if they are old or new, if they do not follow the rules they get banned.
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Same consequences apply to everyone. It does not matter if they are criminals or suspects, if they do not follow the rules they get banned/punished.
Am I fully right?
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I noticed the underground brigade from other servers that joins every topic in which they can shit has turned up again.
This is one single warning: everyone who throws in generalisations without actually being active is going to be permanently lose their chance to shit us here.
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Ok now to the subject. First of all I do not doubt the story of Cofi or any other who claims to be abused.
The thing is that I never encounter it myself, and no do not tell that it is because I am owner as I do use accounts that have no admin rights at all. (inb4 ban for multi-accounting)
The thing is that I see no logic in how its handled.
To Cofi: One guy gets suspected. Did it ever occur to anyone to let this guy /gu AT ONCE, then let one guy go to the PD to get him, and meanwhile you can continue. Nope, in reality all will get out with weapons, making the cop feel threatened and causing all to be suspected. And in fact the fastest way is to get jailed at once, a 180 second jail time is much less as any investigation. But its your pride that gets in the way of logic. Understandable but not logical.
The problem is that there is no respect between cops and criminals, and while neither side makes an effort to develop it, nothing will change. Even a very different base script might just lead to more whining, as players seem to distrust anyone except their own group.
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Nice one. Categorizing cops?
Why don't you categorize the criminal? Why don't you categorize criminals into Gvardia,corleone,Balla then?
Why you generalize all of them into "general criminal"?
Why do I generalize all of them in to general criminals?
I mean most of the criminals because of the subject that's being talked about.
And what are you talking about categorizing cops? ARPD and SAPD are already separate categories. I just said my opinion about the average rule-breakers.
Post Merge: June 22, 2012, 04:39:17 pm
Define justice.
Define justice?Are you Fking kidding me?
Go grab a dictionary and learn what it means instead of showing how naive people who need a defintion of justice are.
No need to get mad. I asked you that question because you were saying that because the administration says most of the criminals on the daily basis consists of rulebreakers (you don't know what's being discussed on the admin boards) which is true because we do face a lot of reports about DM. Now, you were saying because we made this generalization we will not provide justice to the criminals and the cops and therefore insinuating we are biased. Which does not make sense at all, and you do not know how the HQ is with biased admins.
I really don't understand why you want to "bad girl" here about rule-breakers, while you have admin rights. As far as I am concerned, you are always free to resign, if you can't do your job properly. ;)
Who's bad girling about the rule breakers? And what are you saying about me not doing the job properly? Where did you take that from?So what you do when you are on admin. duty? One of this choises.
[ ] You can't do your job, because you just don't do it.
or
[ ] Your taking favoritism to the police.
Now I see what the administration think about police.
Neither. The cops' issue is still irrelevant to the criminals one.
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Neither. The cops' issue is still irrelevant to the criminals one.
Really?
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Really?
The cops abusing and the criminals DMing are separate issues.
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The cops abusing and the criminals DMing are separate issues.
So why everyone cares only about the criminals? That should have an explanation.
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It's not an excuse. :)
There is no such thing as "too many rule-breakers". But there is a thing called "not competent administration".
To be honest, on SA-MP I ignore 90% of players who attempt to role-play with me because it's boring and repetitive. When they say "hello sir (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/48339001/sru.gif)" I already know it's going be a waste of time. I don't want to RP the same situation for the 5000th time and I don't. However, I never ignore those who have to interact with me as a result of my actions. I also don't kill cops for fun and I do my best not to break the rules. Check out my 2012 punishment record, if you want.
There actually are criminals who don't get /suspected and commit crimes while wearing a white name. Any scripted law enforcement organizations, who hunt down orange names, will never be able to do anything to them. There are also many players who registered around 2006-2009 and still don't know how to use /me, yet call themselves veterans. Contrary to the popular belief, newcomers are not the ones to blame for the lack of RP in Argonath. Most newbies don't stay anyway.
There was a lack of RP in the "glorious MTA:VC days", there is a lack of RP today. Not much changed since then. It's not actually a problem, it's the way Argonath is. The owners give players enough freedom to do almost anything they want and that's very kind of them. No one is actually forced to do anything. You can spend the whole day driving around or talking on /p instead of role-playing. It's allowed.
I really don't understand why you want to "bad girl" here about rule-breakers, while you have admin rights. As far as I am concerned, you are always free to resign, if you can't do your job properly. ;)
Oh my god. I love you, papa.
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Same consequences apply to everyone. It does not matter if they are criminals or suspects, if they do not follow the rules they get banned/punished.
Am I fully right?
Absolutely. Only cops get the chance to become criminal DMer if they are banned from duty. :razz:
A 'criminalban' where you are not able to carry any weapon has been suggested though.... :rules:
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A 'criminalban' where you are not able to carry any weapon has been suggested though.... :rules:
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Ok now to the subject. First of all I do not doubt the story of Cofi or any other who claims to be abused.
The thing is that I never encounter it myself, and no do not tell that it is because I am owner as I do use accounts that have no admin rights at all. (inb4 ban for multi-accounting)
The thing is that I see no logic in how its handled.
To Cofi: One guy gets suspected. Did it ever occur to anyone to let this guy /gu AT ONCE, then let one guy go to the PD to get him, and meanwhile you can continue. Nope, in reality all will get out with weapons, making the cop feel threatened and causing all to be suspected. And in fact the fastest way is to get jailed at once, a 180 second jail time is much less as any investigation. But its your pride that gets in the way of logic. Understandable but not logical.
The problem is that there is no respect between cops and criminals, and while neither side makes an effort to develop it, nothing will change. Even a very different base script might just lead to more whining, as players seem to distrust anyone except their own group.
The problem is that both the groups are against eachother, and think the other one is a culprit. And yes, 99 percent of all the moaning comes FROM AND BY players who have been here for over a year.
When i was in SAPD, i always thought of the "criminals" as orange dots just looking for a shootout.
When i am in ancelotti, i always think of the cops just looking to join/get promoted in SAPD.
And the thing is, neither of them are false.
Are they looking for a shootout?Ofcourse! This game is GTA, one of the most violent games, what do you expect, a barbie doll meetup?
What does despise me is how the players who are the "official" ones, are always chasing rank, i used to too. For example, a average arrest by a ARPD officer is to just /gu and get jailed. By a SAPD officer is to usually get parked, then have him do tens of /me commands on you for his screenshots and patrol reports, and you cant exactly do anything about it, so you just gotta wait it out and this usually goes for over 30 mins.
Its all /me frisks, /me cuffs me this me that and then the players always admin-punished if they get pissed off and decide to quit the game, what do you expect? For them to run to the cops and shout OMG I LOVE YOU FOR MOANING ON MY ASS?
Personally, the system was all well and good till the SAPD came along. Tell me, do you remember these problems before the SAPD became a scripted group, and soon enough became a group that pisses everybody off with forced RolePlay?
The best solution i see to this is to just de-script the entire SAPD, but i doubt my SAPD pals would want to loose their free smg.
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Solve the abuse problem?
Remove ARPD/Freecop
and keep SAPD =) Then Done no copabusing only people with experince have apply for cop job.
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A 'criminalban' where you are not able to carry any weapon has been suggested though.... :rules:
Good to see that my idea has been heard :lol:
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To Cofi: One guy gets suspected. Did it ever occur to anyone to let this guy /gu AT ONCE, then let one guy go to the PD to get him, and meanwhile you can continue. Nope, in reality all will get out with weapons, making the cop feel threatened and causing all to be suspected. And in fact the fastest way is to get jailed at once, a 180 second jail time is much less as any investigation. But its your pride that gets in the way of logic. Understandable but not logical.
That one guy is shocked that he got suspected for obeying the law, and cause he didn't do anything bad. While he's in the state of shock
Another cop who's close to it, instantly suspects the other people in the car for aiding.
Now they are shocked can't believe the guy just went total retard on them, ruining their roleplay and their plans,
so they tried having a reasonable conversation asking why did he do that:
While the criminal members were typing : 'Wtf man, abuse, we didnt do shit why you suspect us' their tires were already taken down 'just in case'.
And the story continues.
My point is that until there are some real restrictions about usage of /su ( cause with it, you can force a person to waste his 20-25 minutes of playing when ever you want, maybe even more if there's no High rank Officer online simple as doing /su id "speeding"), things will not change no matter how much we as veterans and admin try forcing the rules on people, cause criminals/suspects feels like they're the citizens of second row on Argonath, and then we create people full of hate.
I know you're not gonna change your opinion or anyting about the current way the system of police is working, I've accepted that back in 2008, but then all of this are just the concenquences of that system cause:
Now tell me how many times should 'method number 1'happen in a row, to a group of young teenage people full of puberty, before they gonna lose their nuts, get a "f**k this shit" attitude etc?
This is what a friend of mine, who returned on Argonath after few years said via msn, while I was writing this reply(and we weren't even talking before this):
freecop = pro shit
suspect people for no reason
dm them
get 500$
make the suspect reason look valid
"Evading, Aiding "
So when they bad girl over /p
Admins say
VALID REASON
:D
Also its not a pride thing, its a thing of fairness and justice, people dont like when they are being treated unfair, they dont like when they can be constantly push around when ever some cop gets an idea of "Oh look ideal situation for taking a shit on those guys", and they are aware that, they will be the ones who will end up being screwed at the end of the story.
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Are you accusing me of being a copbaiter and a moaner? If not, then change the title.
Nope, I'm not doing you any favour, and if you don't like the topic, get out simple ;)
Solve the abuse problem?
Remove ARPD/Freecop
and keep SAPD =) Then Done no copabusing only people with experince have apply for cop job.
Oh, how about remove the cop system and suspection/ammunation scripts too?
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Nope, I'm not doing you any favour, and if you don't like the topic, get out simple ;)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=83057 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=83057)
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Personally, the system was all well and good till the SAPD came along. Tell me, do you remember these problems before the SAPD became a scripted group, and soon enough became a group that pisses everybody off with forced RolePlay?
The best solution i see to this is to just de-script the entire SAPD, but i doubt my SAPD pals would want to loose their free smg.
SAPD became a scripted group in October 2007.
While you may be right... I think you did not expect that one. :hah:
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Also its not a pride thing, its a thing of fairness and justice, people dont like when they are being treated unfair, they dont like when they can be constantly push around when ever some cop gets an idea of "Oh look ideal situation for taking a shit on those guys", and they are aware that, they will be the ones who will end up being screwed at the end of the story.
And that is exactly the life of a criminal. If they do not like the heat, get out of the fire...
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And that is exactly the life of a criminal. If they do not like the heat, get out of the fire...
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Same rules apply to everyone.
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It is. Rule is that if you meet a rulebreaker, report them to the authorities.
If you do not want to do that, you have no right to complain about the server getting worse.
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It is. Rule is that if you meet a rulebreaker, report them to the authorities.
If you do not want to do that, you have no right to complain about the server getting worse.
Report who..exactly?
People like rock who treat us like shit?
Or the SAPD who encourage their officers to waste other's time?
Or the SAPD officers who force you to roleplay with them?
Or the admins who punish you if you ever get pissed off and decide to quit the GAME?
Admit it, the server's policies are tailored towards the ones who are always asslicking the administration, they always were.
Most of the admins are either SAPD, or are neutral(meaning that they just teleport and go around all the time, and avoid getting wanted which isnt really that hard seeing their rank).
Or should i report the system, for making it this worse in the first place.
Going on a undercover account for 1 day and just taking a general look around wont do the trick, most of the time people wont really give a shit about the ones they have never seen before.
If you really want to see it from our perspective, i dare you to a challange. You take that challange and this discussion can end till it is completed. Intrested?Good.
Get a new UC account, and play for atleast 7 hours a week for 2 months. Soon the players will start recognising you, and then you will see the hardships of being a "non-cop".
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Yes and I disagree, unless you are talking only about ARPD.
Wow, you just called most freecops abusive. That's lovely, considering they're generally not.
Also I can't talk "only about ARPD", as you say, because every single cop is ARPD. The SAPD is in the ARPD. So is the VCPD.
ARPD and SAPD are already separate categories.
Again, wow. You're generalizing wildly in calling freecops outright different to the SAPD.
Also again see above, the SAPD is in the ARPD. The term you're looking for is "freecops" or "ARPD officers" which refers to police officers only in the ARPD, not in any organisation.
The problem is that both the groups are against eachother, and think the other one is a culprit. And yes, 99 percent of all the moaning comes FROM AND BY players who have been here for over a year.
When i was in SAPD, i always thought of the "criminals" as orange dots just looking for a shootout.
When i am in ancelotti, i always think of the cops just looking to join/get promoted in SAPD.
And the thing is, neither of them are false.
Are they looking for a shootout?Ofcourse! This game is GTA, one of the most violent games, what do you expect, a barbie doll meetup?
What does despise me is how the players who are the "official" ones, are always chasing rank, i used to too. For example, a average arrest by a ARPD officer is to just /gu and get jailed. By a SAPD officer is to usually get parked, then have him do tens of /me commands on you for his screenshots and patrol reports, and you cant exactly do anything about it, so you just gotta wait it out and this usually goes for over 30 mins.
Its all /me frisks, /me cuffs me this me that and then the players always admin-punished if they get pissed off and decide to quit the game, what do you expect? For them to run to the cops and shout OMG I LOVE YOU FOR MOANING ON MY ASS?
Personally, the system was all well and good till the SAPD came along. Tell me, do you remember these problems before the SAPD became a scripted group, and soon enough became a group that pisses everybody off with forced RolePlay?
The best solution i see to this is to just de-script the entire SAPD, but i doubt my SAPD pals would want to loose their free smg.
Quoted for truth. The entire thing.
Remove ARPD/Freecop
No. No, no, no. What would that even accomplish?
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Report who..exactly?
People like rock who treat us like shit?
Or the SAPD who encourage their officers to waste other's time?
Or the SAPD officers who force you to roleplay with them?
Or the admins who punish you if you ever get pissed off and decide to quit the GAME?
Admit it, the server's policies are tailored towards the ones who are always asslicking the administration, they always were.
Most of the admins are either SAPD, or are neutral(meaning that they just teleport and go around all the time, and avoid getting wanted which isnt really that hard seeing their rank).
Or should i report the system, for making it this worse in the first place.
Going on a undercover account for 1 day and just taking a general look around wont do the trick, most of the time people wont really give a shit about the ones they have never seen before.
If you really want to see it from our perspective, i dare you to a challange. You take that challange and this discussion can end till it is completed. Intrested?Good.
Get a new UC account, and play for atleast 7 hours a week for 2 months. Soon the players will start recognising you, and then you will see the hardships of being a "non-cop".
Force roleplay? How exactly does SAPD force role play, I'd like to know.
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And that is exactly the life of a criminal. If they do not like the heat, get out of the fire...
So chased by criminals and being shot is exactly the life of a police.if they do not like the heat,get out of the fire?
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I can't believe people still fall for this. Ten out of ten.
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For everyone's information..
SAPD is under lock-down and all members are removed due to a major reform.
A piece of writing which i presented a applicant;
Whilst we understand the public's view on how SAPD was going, we took considering of all points and accusations that were presented. We surely do not ignore any suggestions or concerns. People who are veterans in a organization can realize that things can rapidly change while time moves on.
Some points you made which were lacking are professionalism, respect towards ARPD officers and teamwork and the structures were semi valid. That is why I'm taking the initiative right now in fixing it. People kept complaining how SAPD was running, therefore i decided to take a step forward and review the whole SAPD.
When i put SAPD under lock-down, people kept blaming me about this and that, ranting and complaining whilst I'm trying to fix it. I even removed all my ranks for that, but Ronnel came and supported me on it and thought i was doing the right thing, which made me deserve a review of Chief.
We need to ensure all SAPD officers are trained in either the Sheriff or City Officer side so we can fully trust them on their actions instead of seeing them lack cooperation.
There won't be no Academy. Like in the past, you'll be going through hard trainings and participating in patrols which will make you learn better and for the Command to record your skills. Once you are ready to be promoted, you'll be contacted.
If criminals cooperate, we will too. Especially when the SAPD applicants will be teached how to RP. Public suggestions and opinions are not ignored, they are only to be reviewed.
I'm open for any official criminal leader suggestions as I'm willing to find out any options that will help us fix our roleplay scenarios so that they won't be any problems during the play instead of doing the same usual thing.. which is shooting and shaving guns all over the place.
Remember that this game is meant to be fun. If both conflicts find options how to help the play, then by all means - initiative works if you step forward.
If any criminal / family leader can do the same to ensure their members are informed about their actions, then hopefully things will work out better.
I've solved the SAPD side in this reform, now it's your turn.
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So why everyone cares only about the criminals? That should have an explanation.
Yes, why?
Obviously I am not saying the cops are the best. The SAPD and freecops have their flaws as well. That means SAPD too breaks rules such as shooting standing suspects to death. If you have anything in regard to the ARPD, you are free to post a topic in ARPD Forum. Who's stopping you?
Wow, you just called most freecops abusive. That's lovely, considering they're generally not.
Also I can't talk "only about ARPD", as you say, because every single cop is ARPD. The SAPD is in the ARPD. So is the VCPD.
Most of the freecops consist of new players, around 51% + of these freecops (excluding those who have the rank of ARPD Officer and were very recently removed from SAPD due to a lock-down) in which most of them do break the rules such as shooting standing suspects or abusing suspects.
And you do realize by ARPD I am referring to the freecops who have the 'ARPD Officer' rank? I thought it was obvious.
Again, wow. You're generalizing wildly in calling freecops outright different to the SAPD.
Freecops and SAPD Officers are different categories, already having differences by the script itself.
There was a lack of RP in the "glorious MTA:VC days", there is a lack of RP today. Not much changed since then. It's not actually a problem, it's the way Argonath is.
Oh my..................................... ....................................... .......... :neutral:
People like rock who treat us like shit?
Gather incidents, gather time's (SS aren't necessary) and write something to [email protected]. It may look like nothing happened, but, the HQ is really strict and attends complaints of admins very quickly.
Or the SAPD who encourage their officers to waste other's time?
Now that is some idiotic post.
Or the SAPD officers who force you to roleplay with them?
Another idiotic post. Read what Gandalf said about the force role-play rule.
Or the admins who punish you if you ever get pissed off and decide to quit the GAME?
During confrontation you are supposed to stay and answer the admin, not piss the admin himself off and not explain yourself. And why do you get pissed anyway? Because somebody crashed your expensive car or typed some words on the internet? Have some patience.
Solve the abuse problem?
Remove ARPD/Freecop
and keep SAPD =) Then Done no copabusing only people with experince have apply for cop job.
I have another solution, remove people like you who do not have patience to bare (if those are the correct spellings) petty issues and instead explain the Officer themselves. Or not moan because you lost z0mg virtual 1000$$$ and instead report.
So chased by criminals and being shot is exactly the life of a police.if they do not like the heat,get out of the fire?
What are you saying...
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Report who..exactly?
People like rock who treat us like shit?
Or the SAPD who encourage their officers to waste other's time?
Or the SAPD officers who force you to roleplay with them?
Or the admins who punish you if you ever get pissed off and decide to quit the GAME?
Admit it, the server's policies are tailored towards the ones who are always asslicking the administration, they always were.
Most of the admins are either SAPD, or are neutral(meaning that they just teleport and go around all the time, and avoid getting wanted which isnt really that hard seeing their rank).
Or should i report the system, for making it this worse in the first place.
Going on a undercover account for 1 day and just taking a general look around wont do the trick, most of the time people wont really give a shit about the ones they have never seen before.
If you really want to see it from our perspective, i dare you to a challange. You take that challange and this discussion can end till it is completed. Intrested?Good.
Get a new UC account, and play for atleast 7 hours a week for 2 months. Soon the players will start recognising you, and then you will see the hardships of being a "non-cop".
With this post, you just lost all your credibility. That is, if you had any in the first place.
I'm appalled that people are still stubborn enough not to understand Gandalf's messages and try to lecture him as if kindergarten students teaching a farmer how to plant a crop.
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SAPD is under lock-down and all members are removed due to a major reform.
:hurray:
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So chased by criminals and being shot is exactly the life of a police.if they do not like the heat,get out of the fire?
Please show me where in GTA games or even in RL criminals knowingly go to chase cops and kill as much as possible within the storyline.
You show yourself as DMer once again.
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Please show me where in GTA games or even in RL criminals knowingly go to chase cops and kill as much as possible within the storyline.
You show yourself as DMer once again.
Stole words from my fingers Gandalf. :lol: I was gonna post the same but fell asleep.
And he indeed is a DM'er, it was some 3 days ago when he was civilian and I went to idlewood as cop, I got out the car to do a lil RP with ballas, Kun4l was there, RP from him was, pulling out his deagle and shooting me dead, without a word. The only reason he wasn't reported was Kun4l and Frank Hawk were on scene, and I thought I must had done something wrong if their friend killed me.
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@gandalf, is was heavy mistake to remove sru from the server/swat team. why?
when we were patrolling, no one could escape from us, even shamals couldnt and we didnt use hydra or hunter or w/e those planes called, we used our buffalos, we were trained at shooting and driving, sorry but not like the current swat team. when sru was around, did you see any criminal dming cops? no. i only saw civilians scaring to become criminals.
and why did criminals started to "dm" cops? beacuse cops started to abuse and abuse and get the people mad, then what did the people want? revenge.
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People like rock who treat us like shit?
Thanks for the laugh, it was needed :D. But did I point my finger to anyone? Like rest said, I made the topic because a few of you guys like to 'revenge' on innocent cop-side people just like me because you were abused in past by someone else.. But nah, you ever care at all? No criminal was ever abused for me, and have a look at my past or my cop-side punishments.. ;) Oh and, I was on your side multiple times in past (Stracci, 58th) but yea, you just think that because I'm on the cops side atm, I'll just judge every other criminal. No, the point is that those people who 'revenge' by DMing us after being abused by another cop, should stop this ;) Because if I was to revenge back, I'd be out everyday abusing all criminals, killing them or jailing them without investigation, but oh wait... I'm treating you like shit, right.
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@gandalf, is was heavy mistake to remove sru from the server/swat team. why?
when we were patrolling, no one could escape from us, even shamals couldnt and we didnt use hydra or hunter or w/e those planes called, we used our buffalos, we were trained at shooting and driving, sorry but not like the current swat team. when sru was around, did you see any criminal dming cops? no. i only saw civilians scaring to become criminals.
and why did criminals started to "dm" cops? beacuse cops started to abuse and abuse and get the people mad, then what did the people want? revenge.
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funny right? this is a fact, so laugh as much as you want, hater.
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in which most of them do break the rules such as shooting standing suspects or abusing suspects.
Rubbish.
@gandalf, is was heavy mistake to remove sru from the server/swat team. why?
when we were patrolling, no one could escape from us, even shamals couldnt and we didnt use hydra or hunter or w/e those planes called, we used our buffalos, we were trained at shooting and driving, sorry but not like the current swat team. when sru was around, did you see any criminal dming cops? no. i only saw civilians scaring to become criminals.
The SRU that I remember (with Ben_Samiir and Kenny and stuff) was a hacker group. Not the best representatives of your police force.
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i dunno about the first sru but i know about the one i was in, in my opinion it was amazing
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funny right? this is a fact, so laugh as much as you want, hater.
Yes, it is very funny, because SRU deathmatched and hacked much more than all the groups and individuals this topic was made about did together.
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i dunno about the first sru but i know about the one i was in, in my opinion it was amazing
Your telling me that disbanding your group was a bad idea because your group broke all server rules and killed whoever it saw, thus terrorising the players and pretty much not being punished for it because your leader for a admin.
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Most criminals do break the rules Rock mentioned. No doubt.
yeah and all pakistanis players are hackers of course
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yeah and all pakistanis players are hackers of course
That's such a wrong fact to judge. Because a few people did it, doesn't mean the whole country did ;).
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That's such a wrong fact to judge. Because a few people did it, doesn't mean the whole country did ;).
Apply this to your Topic. 'EVERY' criminal?...
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That's such a wrong fact to judge. Because a few people did it, doesn't mean the whole country did ;).
Apply this to your Topic. 'EVERY' criminal?...
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Apply this to your Topic. 'EVERY' criminal?...
Actually read the topic, you'll see it's different from the topic title ;). Title was to seek attention of them ;)
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Your telling me that disbanding your group was a bad idea because your group broke all server rules and killed whoever it saw, thus terrorising the players and pretty much not being punished for it because your leader for a admin.
Yes, it is very funny, because SRU deathmatched and hacked much more than all the groups and individuals this topic was made about did together.
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i dunno about the first sru but i know about the one i was in, in my opinion it was amazing
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Stole words from my fingers Gandalf. :lol: I was gonna post the same but fell asleep.
Its' easy to relate when a cop is being chased his ass off and shot off.
E.g. A cop killed the member of Mafia,he will be found and some mafia may kill/torture him as a revenge of making mess with mafia?
Ain't it a normal cases in your country?At least at my city,messing with triad in Hong Kong is always a tough jobs and even police do not want to get his feet into it.
And he indeed is a DM'er,
Oh,Thank you
Yeah,btw [email protected] is always here for you
If you do not report,you do not have the right to complain.
it was some 3 days ago when he was civilian and I went to idlewood as cop, I got out the car to do a lil RP with ballas, Kun4l was there, RP from him was, pulling out his deagle and shooting me dead,
Request a withness,if not,I consider it as ungrounded falsely blames put on me
without a word.
Give the chat log before/after around the time you were killed by Dmer Chaska.
The only reason he wasn't reported was Kun4l and Frank Hawk were on scene,
What you mean "wasn't reported"?You don't report?why? or others around the scene that withness it doesn't report?
when I rulebreak,I will still be punished even the admin is my friend.
Oh wait,Frank Hawk is not admin,and was a Dmer as you called.
and I thought I must had done something wrong if their friend killed me.
BTW,I do not know what incident you're talking about cuz I kick comedian and clown who fool around me a lot.And can never remember who I killed.
Sorry for your butthurt,bro.
If you want me to apologize,come to Idlewood and I'll give you one formal apology,I will not hesitate to give you one,Mayne':cool: :hurray:
Peace off.
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Its' easy to relate when a cop is being chased his ass off and shot off.
E.g. A cop killed the member of Mafia,he will be found and some mafia may kill/torture him as a revenge of making mess with mafia?
Ain't it a normal cases in your country?At least at my city,messing with triad in Hong Kong is always a tough jobs and even police do not want to get his feet into it.
Revengekilling, the server rules needs to be updated and clarified.
Too many unwritten, wrongly defined and made up rules.
ps.
Suspects are not suspects (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/suspect), unfortunately.
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Please show me where in GTA games or even in RL criminals knowingly go to chase cops and kill as much as possible within the storyline.
You show yourself as DMer once again.
As mentioned above
E.g
Mr Y,from a mafia Z,was founded being killed by cop X.
Mafia Z's member may find the cop X and torture/kill him as a revenge of Y's death where Y cannot get involved in hunting down X cuz he's died
X will be chased off and being shot off.
it's not rare in RL news,not to mention in GTA stories.
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Revengekilling, the server rules needs to be updated and clarified.
Too many unwritten, wrongly defined and made up rules.
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Suspects are not suspects (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/suspect), unfortunately.
As long as I know,revenge killing means: X kills Y.Y cannot kill X back as it is revenge killing.
If X kills Y,Y's family/mafia kill X back as a revenge of X killing Y is not.As long as Y do not involve.
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As mentioned above
E.g
Mr Y,from a mafia Z,was founded being killed by cop X.
Mafia Z's member may find the cop X and torture/kill him as a revenge of Y's death where Y cannot get involved in hunting down X cuz he's died
X will be chased off and being shot off.
it's not rare in RL news,not to mention in GTA stories.
Post Merge: June 23, 2012, 05:46:57 pm
As long as I know,revenge killing means: X kills Y.Y cannot kill X back as it is revenge killing.
If X kills Y,Y's family/mafia kill X back as a revenge of X killing Y is not.As long as Y do not involve.
Show me the news or where it is in GTA stories of SP.
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As mentioned above
E.g
Mr Y,from a mafia Z,was founded being killed by cop X.
Mafia Z's member may find the cop X and torture/kill him as a revenge of Y's death where Y cannot get involved in hunting down X cuz he's died
X will be chased off and being shot off.
it's not rare in RL news,not to mention in GTA stories.
Post Merge: June 23, 2012, 05:46:57 pm
As long as I know,revenge killing means: X kills Y.Y cannot kill X back as it is revenge killing.
If X kills Y,Y's family/mafia kill X back as a revenge of X killing Y is not.As long as Y do not involve.
Please note that I'm not saying you should be punished, but chances are you will be, hence the rules need to be updated and clarified.
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Revengekilling, the server rules needs to be updated and clarified.
Too many unwritten, wrongly defined and made up rules.
ps.
Suspects are not suspects (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/suspect), unfortunately.
Which rule you do not understand ?
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Show me the news or where it is in GTA stories of SP.
Let me google it for you!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-17308973 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-17308973)
http://www.mefeedia.com/news/33400915 (http://www.mefeedia.com/news/33400915)
Both news-Police do not actively engaged to catch them but just to investigate them but unfortunately they were being chased,not being shot but being carkilled and the other one....
I only search "police killed by mafia" on google
If you want more,ask me,I'll do "police killed by gangster,triad"
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Let me google it for you!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-17308973 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-17308973)
http://www.mefeedia.com/news/33400915 (http://www.mefeedia.com/news/33400915)
Both news-Police do not actively engaged to catch them but just to investigate them but unfortunately they were being chased,not being shot but being carkilled and the other one....
I only search "police killed by mafia" on google
If you want more,ask me,I'll do "police killed by gangster,triad"
First one was cop trying to stop a vehicle. Not a chase where criminals actively chased cops.
Second vide I could not see.
Try again, and above all show it from the GTA story line.
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First one was cop trying to stop a vehicle. Not a chase where criminals actively chased cops.
Second vide I could not see.
Try again, and above all show it from the GTA story line.
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1080114/jsp/siliguri/story_8779377.jsp (http://www.telegraphindia.com/1080114/jsp/siliguri/story_8779377.jsp)
As GTA,players can make up their story lines.
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Which rule you do not understand ?
Seems to me that one of the rules needing clarification is the revengekilling rule.
Matt Stracci kills Harris Corleone; Corleone kills Matt - Revengekilling?
Cop kills Bob Stracci; Stracci kills cop - Revengekilling?
When is killing a person that has killed you not revengekilling anymore?
Is killing someone that's killed you revengekilling even if it's a whole other roleplay - unrelated to the previous murder?
I'm talking about killing, not deatmatching.
"Killing" someone obviously involves roleplay, be it a kidnapping, torture or vandalising something and somehow, through the magic of roleplaying, the "scenario" turns into one person being executed, ie. killed.
I'll add some smileys to lighten up the mood in this topic too :rockstar: :cap: :fly:
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Seems to me that one of the rules needing clarification is the revengekilling rule.
Matt Stracci kills Harris Corleone; Corleone kills Matt - Revengekilling?
Cop kills Bob Stracci; Stracci kills cop - Revengekilling?
When is killing a person that has killed you not revengekilling anymore?
Is killing someone that's killed you revengekilling even if it's a whole other roleplay - unrelated to the previous murder?
I'm talking about killing, not deatmatching.
"Killing" someone obviously involves roleplay, be it a kidnapping, torture or vandalising something and somehow, through the magic of roleplaying, the "scenario" turns into one person being executed, ie. killed.
I'll add some smileys to lighten up the mood in this topic too :rockstar: :cap: :fly:
On this topic, I tried to clarify the 'no dbing as driver' rule earlier, but could not find it written down anywhere. Could someone write a post with all the rules, please? :neutral:
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Actually read the topic, you'll see it's different from the topic title ;). Title was to seek attention of them ;)
So you lie? thats very nice. I guess people should start doing that to get attention now ;)
And anyway, Its still a similar case. So you warn 'most criminals' because of some? So how about he talks about 'most pakistanis' because of some?
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Usually when someone attacks a ancelotti member we hit em back..if they are roleplayers that is.
If he was a random shoot dem popular gang and be a baws, we ignore them.
If they are good roleplayers we often make them "dissapear", most of the time their bodies are never found however..
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The ARPD has never been a problem, they're just the ones blamed for the incompetence of the SAPD. Several times, I've witnessed ARPD officers threatened with copbans when they decide to actually roleplay with a suspect, instead of going on one of the SAPD's dming sprees. Other times, they're threatened with copbans if they don't act like f**king robots, and decide to actually try to make the situation enjoyable, by making humourous threats, or by just not being f**king pricks. The SAPD is given power over the ARPD, and everyone else who isn't part of the SAPD. Of course people are going to hate them.
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http://www.telegraphindia.com/1080114/jsp/siliguri/story_8779377.jsp (http://www.telegraphindia.com/1080114/jsp/siliguri/story_8779377.jsp)
As GTA,players can make up their story lines.
As he was off-duty, they were not chasing cops.
GTA always has a story line to follow, and in this story line there is no mass chasing or killing of cops.
As you see only DMers would try to defend this.
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The ARPD has never been a problem, they're just the ones blamed the the incompetence of the SAPD. Several times, I've witnessed ARPD officers threatened with copbans when they decide to actually roleplay with a suspect, instead of going on one of the SAPD's dming sprees. Other times, they're threatened with copbans if they don't act like f**king robots, and decide to actually try to make the situation enjoyable, by making humourous threats, or by just not being f**king pricks. The SAPD is given power over the ARPD, and everyone else who isn't part of the SAPD. Of course people are going to hate them.
This is unfortunetly the truth. Honor to many individual SAPD who're actually a real role model of being an Officer.
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This is quite ironic..
You enter the game to roleplay, yet when you got suspected for some bullshit crime you complain as I do when my candy bowl is empty (that is hard...) instead of do one single command (/gu or /hail). Yes, if you do comply and obey's the requests from the officer everything goes very smoothly. If you obey the orders you recieve you will not get sprayed, shot at, hitted by the nightstick or what ever we cops might do. Do what you are being told or face the equipments (woha scary).
As I started with, you enter the game to roleplay. But you are limited to roleplay with the law enforcement, as soon as we interfer you want us out and you want us out faster then we arrived. I have no clue and I can't see the logical in "I want to roleplay" when the obvious is what I said previously.
On the other hand, few cops are not patienced at all. Suspect, pew pew, or spray with the pepperspray instead of let the suspect have a talk.
It works pretty much like;
Cop says: "We go here"
*Suspects stands idle while he types*
Cop says: "Didn't you heard me?!" *Cop start to spray*
And the storm has begun. Patience must both sides work on, especielly when we roleplay together. Things can be processed so much smoother comparing to now. All we gotta do is to invite eachother into our roleplay instead of hate eachother, which is obvious both side does when we meet eachother.
Police complain about their constant rejoining and barricaded, non-rp kidnappnings, mass-dm robberies, cophunting.
While the criminals complain at the constant abusage of /su command, misuse of duty weapons, lack of patience and professionalism, non-rp breaches, rejoining (which isn't a rulebreak!), boring investigations, too much jailtime.
The list for both sides can be a couple of miles long. Instead of fight and bullshit on eachother sides should we find a solution that fits us both and do the best out of it.
Both sides can improve, we must find the issues that requires improvement.
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This is quite ironic..
You enter the game to roleplay, yet when you got suspected for some bullshit crime you complain as I do when my candy bowl is empty (that is hard...) instead of do one single command (/gu or /hail). Yes, if you do comply and obey's the requests from the officer everything goes very smoothly. If you obey the orders you recieve you will not get sprayed, shot at, hitted by the nightstick or what ever we cops might do. Do what you are being told or face the equipments (woha scary).
As I started with, you enter the game to roleplay. But you are limited to roleplay with the law enforcement, as soon as we interfer you want us out and you want us out faster then we arrived. I have no clue and I can't see the logical in "I want to roleplay" when the obvious is what I said previously.
On the other hand, few cops are not patienced at all. Suspect, pew pew, or spray with the pepperspray instead of let the suspect have a talk.
It works pretty much like;
Cop says: "We go here"
*Suspects stands idle while he types*
Cop says: "Didn't you heard me?!" *Cop start to spray*
And the storm has begun. Patience must both sides work on, especielly when we roleplay together. Things can be processed so much smoother comparing to now. All we gotta do is to invite eachother into our roleplay instead of hate eachother, which is obvious both side does when we meet eachother.
Police complain about their constant rejoining and barricaded, non-rp kidnappnings, mass-dm robberies, cophunting.
While the criminals complain at the constant abusage of /su command, misuse of duty weapons, lack of patience and professionalism, non-rp breaches, rejoining (which isn't a rulebreak!), boring investigations, too much jailtime.
The list for both sides can be a couple of miles long. Instead of fight and bullshit on eachother sides should we find a solution that fits us both and do the best out of it.
Both sides can improve, we must find the issues that requires improvement.
Did you even read the topic? We are discussing why nobody wants to roleplay with your little group because you just waste everybody's time, and you walk in and ask us to do exactly what we are protesting against.
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Did you even read the topic? We are discussing why nobody wants to roleplay with your little group because you just waste everybody's time, and you walk in and ask us to do exactly what we are protesting against.
The only bullshit in this topic are those who defend their bad habits and oppose finding a solution to the situation.
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As he was off-duty, they were not chasing cops.
GTA always has a story line to follow, and in this story line there is no mass chasing or killing of cops.
As you see only DMers would try to defend this.
If giving out a reason to kill a person is meant to be a DMer,I'm keen to be capped as a Dmer.
Post Merge: June 24, 2012, 09:21:54 am
This is quite ironic..
You enter the game to roleplay, yet when you got suspected for some bullshit crime you complain as I do when my candy bowl is empty (that is hard...) instead of do one single command (/gu or /hail). Yes, if you do comply and obey's the requests from the officer everything goes very smoothly. If you obey the orders you recieve you will not get sprayed, shot at, hitted by the nightstick or what ever we cops might do. Do what you are being told or face the equipments (woha scary).
Yeah,then don't Fking scold me as a Cophunter when you're being killed in front of me where you come and get killed when I'm an orange man :rofl:
As I started with, you enter the game to roleplay. But you are limited to roleplay with the law enforcement, as soon as we interfer you want us out and you want us out faster then we arrived. I have no clue and I can't see the logical in "I want to roleplay" when the obvious is what I said previously.
Implies parts(not most) of roleplay offered by police is a copy-and-paste roleplay that is the same 1000times have roleplayed or roleplay that I am not interested in.
On the other hand, few cops are not patienced at all. Suspect, pew pew, or spray with the pepperspray instead of let the suspect have a talk.
Then don't blame Idlewood is a killing cop zone when some of your fellows being raped when I'm a suspect.
It works pretty much like;
Cop says: "We go here"
*Suspects stands idle while he types*
Cop says: "Didn't you heard me?!" *Cop start to spray*
Word.
And the storm has begun. Patience must both sides work on, especielly when we roleplay together.
Tell me how patience works here:
SA-MP copcrime (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm4tDOSLJHw#)
Things can be processed so much smoother comparing to now. All we gotta do is to invite eachother into our roleplay instead of hate eachother, which is obvious both side does when we meet eachother.
Actually there're no hate for me.I'm happy to be suspected when I break the law,just don't moan about how much Dm I'm when you're being raped as you're not my lecturer.
Police complain about their constant rejoining and barricaded, non-rp kidnappnings, mass-dm robberies, cophunting.
While the criminals complain at the constant abusage of /su command, misuse of duty weapons, lack of patience and professionalism, non-rp breaches, rejoining (which isn't a rulebreak!), boring investigations, too much jailtime.
The list for both sides can be a couple of miles long. Instead of fight and bullshit on eachother sides should we find a solution that fits us both and do the best out of it.
Both sides can improve, we must find the issues that requires improvement. [/size][/font]
Yes,I agree,but oh wait what is the solution?
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If giving out a reason to kill a person is meant to be a DMer,I'm keen to be capped as a Dmer.
Post Merge: June 24, 2012, 09:21:54 am
Yeah,then don't Fking scold me as a Cophunter when you're being killed in front of me where you come and get killed when I'm an orange man :rofl:
Banned.
Implies parts(not most) of roleplay offered by police is a copy-and-paste roleplay that is the same 1000times have roleplayed or roleplay that I am not interested in.Then don't blame Idlewood is a killing cop zone when some of your fellows being raped when I'm a suspect.Word.
So your roleplay is not repetitive ? Comes cop, provoke, kill.
Make protest, provoke, kill.
x infitnite.
Tell me how patience works here:
SA-MP copcrime (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm4tDOSLJHw#)
Report does work.
Actually there're no hate for me.I'm happy to be suspected when I break the law,just don't moan about how much Dm I'm when you're being raped as you're not my lecturer.Yes,I agree,but oh wait what is the solution?
You ban.
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Banned.
Oh,since when shoot the cop who try to arrest me with pepper spray/guns is now rule-breaking
So your roleplay is not repetitive ?
Maybe.But oh wait,it may not interest me also.
Comes cop, provoke, kill.
Implies I have chased the cops ass and very much have interest in provoking cop (Yes if you think that see cop as nothing , dealing drugs/haveing a fight brawl with homies even in front ten cops is a kind of provoking to get wanted,actually no,I dont care if they are around,they suspect me,they intentionally spray/shoot me?I shoot back and still chill at my place.)
But Sorry I more prefer standing still at Idlewood than having a beef with cop provided that he has not catch my attention which means trying to do something that is annoyingly attention seeking.
Many cops have chilled around peacefully and we jokes around,you don't see?
Make protest, provoke, kill.
Many times,protest were well ended which every party enjoyed and have expressed their enjoyment after the protest.ask those who take part in as cop duty.
x infitnite.
Every time,the protest were made and nearly half of the sever joined it,be it proestant/cop,SWAT medic.So,even if it repeat infinitly,it still attract people's interest.
Report does work.
Ok.in that time,at around 6am where no admin online,how to report?send a complain to [email protected]?
Ok
You ban.
Implies shooting at cop who try to arrest/caught me is now bannable.
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Oh,since when shoot the cop who try to arrest me with pepper spray/guns is now rule-breaking
Maybe.But oh wait,it may not interest me also.
Implies I have chased the cops ass and very much have interest in provoking cop (Yes if you think that see cop as nothing , dealing drugs/haveing a fight brawl with homies even in front ten cops is a kind of provoking to get wanted,actually no,I dont care if they are around,they suspect me,they intentionally spray/shoot me?I shoot back and still chill at my place.)
But Sorry I more prefer standing still at Idlewood than having a beef with cop provided that he has not catch my attention which means trying to do something that is annoyingly attention seeking.
Many cops have chilled around peacefully and we jokes around,you don't see?
Many times,protest were well ended which every party enjoyed and have expressed their enjoyment after the protest.ask those who take part in as cop duty.
Every time,the protest were made and nearly half of the sever joined it,be it proestant/cop,SWAT medic.So,even if it repeat infinitly,it still attract people's interest.Ok.in that time,at around 6am where no admin online,how to report?send a complain to [email protected]?
OkImplies shooting at cop who try to arrest/caught me is now bannable.
Sorry for the spelling mistake. the solution is YOUR ban.
You obviously lost the ability to roleplay and are now just in to provoking DM as the rest of i9 was.
When you regain interest, post unban request.
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Sorry for the spelling mistake. the solution is YOUR ban.
You obviously lost the ability to roleplay and are now just in to provoking DM as the rest of i9 was.
When you regain interest, post unban request.
Well,ok thank you :( :cry:
:rofl:
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Chaska, all you are doing is making a complete idiot of yourself, if you have not been one already through your recent actions. It would be best if you leave this community instead of staying here without any output that does not include moaning and bullshitting on something.
One of the many problems that plague Argonath SA:MP are moaners like these who blackpaint the admin system that spread the wrong perception of what the administration can do, that we are unreceptive to the players' complaints and concerns instead of actually serving, even with a complaint email that is checked near-daily.
Some might say I am being rude in this post, but only a person with a lesser intellectual capacity would label pragmatism as nothing more than a mere paraphrasing of "rudeness".
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On this topic, I tried to clarify the 'no dbing as driver' rule earlier, but could not find it written down anywhere. Could someone write a post with all the rules, please? :neutral:
Hidden rules are hidden.. so admins can ban you when you butthurt them without breaking any (known) rule. :ban:
The ARPD has never been a problem, they're just the ones blamed for the incompetence of the SAPD. Several times, I've witnessed ARPD officers threatened with copbans when they decide to actually roleplay with a suspect, instead of going on one of the SAPD's dming sprees. Other times, they're threatened with copbans if they don't act like f**king robots, and decide to actually try to make the situation enjoyable, by making humourous threats, or by just not being f**king pricks. The SAPD is given power over the ARPD, and everyone else who isn't part of the SAPD. Of course people are going to hate them.
QFT.
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I agree with ya Daco
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viva la revolution
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Hidden rules are hidden.. so admins can ban you when you butthurt them without breaking any (known) rule. :ban:
Those "hidden rules" are actually infractions that go under at least one basic rule. Do not spread shit about the admin system.
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Those "hidden rules" are actually infractions that go under at least one basic rule. Do not spread shit about the admin system.
I'm not spreading shit it happened to me many times..
Latest example:
Player_1: hey guys i think bla bla is bla bla
Player_2: well blabla is kinda blabla but blabla isn't blablabla
Player_3: blabla is blabla
Admin: drop the discussion
Player_1: why??? we aren't flaming or anything
Admin: not allowed
Player_1: no it is. im not breaking any rule..
You have been put under the banana rule for 120 seconds.
(http://www.myfacewhen.com/images/48.jpg)
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^So true.
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Were you once on our side, you'd se we try to prevent any discussion that would of provoke a flame-war or any inappropriate discussion. Wanna discuss something freely without being told to stop? There's CB for a reason (which is still under rules, and logs..)
But you guys got off-topic... This is not any topic for you to express your feelings and problems or rage from happenings on the server.
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Were you once on our side, you'd se we try to prevent any discussion that would of provoke a flame-war or any inappropriate discussion. Wanna discuss something freely without being told to stop? There's CB for a reason (which is still under rules, and logs..)
The public chat in Argonath is what makes the server unique compared to other servers.
If you can't even have a mature discussion in /p that doesn't include racism or (political) hatred, then what is it for? Shoutouts?
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If you wish to shit on Argonath at least have the courtesy to do it on another server.
And stay there.