Argonath RPG - A World of its own
Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => Topic started by: Ratko Gavrilovic on July 28, 2012, 09:53:44 pm
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Where do I have to begin?
There are way too many issues to discuss.
Also let's make it clear that this is not a moan topic but an attempt to revive the server.
If you don't appreciate help, you're going to fall.
The veterans among us may know that the server now is different from when we joined.
Why? Lack of roleplay / no roleplay in the server. It has been said a thousand times, want RP? RP yourself. How are we supposed to roleplay if we are being obstructed by admins who make bad decisions and rulebreakers ruining roleplay?
Let's start with reports. Nobody is looking in most of the reports, they are being ignored, fact. Don't even try to deny this. Countless of times I had to report hackers, rammers, deathmatchers, did someone look into my report after 5 times? No. Now you may say it's due to the lack of admins. In that case RECRUIT new ones. Around 4 admins to overview over 100 players is madness. This is allowing rulebreakers to roam the server. One of the things obstructing roleplay. Also if there is concrete evidence of someone rulebreaking, punish him / her. Too many times I see someone writing, flaming in full caps and mis-using /ad, nothing happened.
I saw people shitting on the server, flaming the admins in full caps; only a kick. For real? By doing that you are allowing rulebreakers to stay on this server.
Argonath should be open to constructive criticism. Countless of topics containing this got locked, deleted and their advise got ignored. No wonder a lot of veterans left the server. They became sick of not being listened to. I myself have also reccomended something to increase RP, it got ignored. Now let me ask are you even trying?
So let's see.
I am sure that I forgot something important, but it will come to my mind.. At least if this topic won't be locked / trashed in only minutes.
This is not moaning or shitting on the server, it's trying to revive actual roleplay how it was back in the days. So many flaws are being ignored.
I have spoken about this to many, many people, and the players do agree that the server is falling apart.
Isn't it time for change?
Want to discuss? Let's do it with the whole community.
Wanna lock this and ignore the issues? I know I am out.
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Also let's make it clear that this is not a moan topic but an attempt to revive the server.
Which server are you talking about? I would assume SA:MP as you play there the most.
The veterans among us may know that the server now is different from when we joined.
In your opinion, what makes a "veteran"?
Let's start with reports. Nobody is looking in most of the reports
Define: "Most"?
What you need to remember is that admins are busy, and we handle reports in the order of importance, not the order they are reported in. So for example, if a person is reported for DM and say, 5 seconds before there was a report for ramming, the DM report would take priority and be handled first.
Also if there is concrete evidence of someone rulebreaking, punish him / her. Too many times I see someone writing, flaming in full caps and mis-using /ad, nothing happened.
This already happens. Just because YOU haven't seen the three punishments you can see (warn kick (temp)ban) does not mean nothing has happened.
I saw people shitting on the server, flaming the admins in full caps; only a kick. For real? By doing that you are allowing rulebreakers to stay on this server.
Admins will hand out the punishment that is correct in their opinion, we don't have some super strict list of punishments for each rule break.
Argonath should be open to constructive criticism. Countless of topics containing this got locked, deleted and their advise got ignored.
If it is constructive and not a moan/hating/rage thread it will most likely stay open.
No wonder a lot of veterans left the server. They became sick of not being listened to.
People come and go, it's a part of life. Do remember this isn't a democracy, so even if a majority of people want something, it doesn't guarantee it being added.
Wanna lock this and ignore the issues? I know I am out.
So if your thread gets locked, you will leave the server? Seems a little childish to me.
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Well, Argonath is world of its own, not a SRS BSNS roleplay server. There are alot those servers, which you can freely join and roleplay starting engine of vehicle for four hours.
Reports getting ignored? I haven't seen many reports which got ignored. Sometimes admins doesn't even respond them, but observes the situation. Sometimes the player doesn't get punished, because admins aren't here to punish, but to teach and make sure everyone are aware of the rules, and obeying them.
And yeah, must admit there are not many admins online on different timezones. But recruiting wouldn't be the solution. Managers are doing daily, deep view on chatlogs and making sure hackers do not roam around server for too long.
But if you wish to leave, go on. We do not force you to say here..
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This is going to be very bad.
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Well, Argonath is world of its own, not a SRS BSNS roleplay server. There are alot those servers, which you can freely join and roleplay starting engine of vehicle for four hours.
Reports getting ignored? I haven't seen many reports which got ignored. Sometimes administrations doesn't even respond them, but observes the situation. Sometimes the player doesn't get punished, because admins aren't here to punish, but to teach and make sure everyone are aware of the rules, and obeying them.
And yeah, must admit there are not many admins online on different timezones. But recruiting wouldn't be the solution. Managers are doing daily, deep view on chatlogs and making sure hackers do not roam around server for too long.
But if you wish to leave, go on. We do not force you to say here..
We're not suggesting this server to be serious, why the fuck can't you get it out of your heads? These topics are made from the concern of the veterans that actually care about the server, or the community in general. People like you don't want 'change', you completely ignore the fact that we WANT to help the server with constructive criticism. It's understanding how admins can't be online 24/7 and throughout different timezones, but some of them need to shape up and learn how to control their actual powers to moderate the server. At this point someone is going to be as ignorant as to tell me to send an e-mail to [email protected] or even give a forum ban, but god just listen to what we have to say. More and more dedicated people are leaving because the server's changing into one massive ball of clusterfuck whogivesashitaboutRP.
And to mention, you shouldn't have a stupid come back like *You as the people of Argonath TEACH players how to roleplay, but you don't.* As groups such as Gvardia and Stracci are trying their best to overcome stupid moronic gameplay that completely destroys the server's atmosphere, and teach people how to interact within roleplay. In my opinion, and I'm sure most, the SAPD/ARPD should be doing the same.
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Miker's & Puppi's post says everything I had to say here.
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2. Argonath gives equal rights to new, experienced and admin players. We do not discriminate between players, and having admin rights or being a long time player does not give any of our players rights to act as better, higher or having more status as another.
Argonath Vision
By the way, how can you prove that you're being ignored? Administrators don't ever stop, when on duty. I agree some of them may be neglecting a bit the work, but again I don't have much to complain about. Like you said 4 administrators for 100 people, sometimes even more. But the administration team is Quality over quantity I believe. I don't think when you /admins and see 10 guys it will mean the server is better moderated.
The problem about the so called "veterans" is that they don't give any other ideas, criticizing is cool, but what about making something about it? You talk about change, I'll quote JCS " Lead by Example" . Also... about the admins [email protected].
This is only my opinion, I'll be glad to debate.
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Can't correctly quote, I'm on a phone.
Which server are you talking about? I would assume SA:MP as you play there the most.
In your opinion, what makes a "veteran"?
Define: "Most"?
What you need to remember is that admins are busy, and we handle reports in the order of importance, not the order they are reported in. So for example, if a person is reported for DM and say, 5 seconds before there was a report for ramming, the DM report would take priority and be handled first.
This already happens. Just because YOU haven't seen the three punishments you can see (warn kick (temp)ban) does not mean nothing has happened.
Admins will hand out the punishment that is correct in their opinion, we don't have some super strict list of punishments for each rule break.
If it is constructive and not a moan/hating/rage thread it will most likely stay open.
People come and go, it's a part of life. Do remember this isn't a democracy, so even if a majority of people want something, it doesn't guarantee it being added.
So if your thread gets locked, you will leave the server? Seems a little childish to me.
Any server, but sure especially SAMP because of the playerbase.
A veteran in this case would be an oldtimer who wants to rebuild what is broken.
Most reports as in, all of my reports and those of the players around me.
Hire more admins perhaps?
Yes because admin jail teaches someone of his mistakes.
A kick is not enough for a severe rulebreak.
Let's hope.
I am talking about veterans leaving because they are not being listened to.
Have some respect for players on who this server was built.
If the issues are still to be ignored and pretended as if everything is alright, then I have nothing to do here.
Well, Argonath is world of its own, not a SRS BSNS roleplay server. There are alot those servers, which you can freely join and roleplay starting engine of vehicle for four hours.
Reports getting ignored? I haven't seen many reports which got ignored. Sometimes admins doesn't even respond them, but observes the situation. Sometimes the player doesn't get punished, because admins aren't here to punish, but to teach and make sure everyone are aware of the rules, and obeying them.
And yeah, must admit there are not many admins online on different timezones. But recruiting wouldn't be the solution. Managers are doing daily, deep view on chatlogs and making sure hackers do not roam around server for too long.
But if you wish to leave, go on. We do not force you to say here..
This is a roleplay server.
It might be low/medium but that is no reason to not roleplay.
All reports should get an answer.
Admins too busy? Hire more.
There should be around 15 admins at least to keep the server safe.
Why spend time on later chatlogs if you can prevent it?
Almost here for 4 years, that's why I wanted to make this topic as an eye opener.
We're not suggesting this server to be serious, why the f**k can't you get it out of your heads? These topics are made from the concern of the veterans that actually care about the server, or the community in general. People like you don't want 'change', you completely ignore the fact that we WANT to help the server with constructive criticism. It's understanding how admins can't be online 24/7 and throughout different timezones, but some of them need to shape up and learn how to control their actual powers to moderate the server. At this point someone is going to be as ignorant as to tell me to send an e-mail to [email protected] or even give a forum ban, but god just listen to what we have to say. More and more dedicated people are leaving because the server's changing into one massive ball of clusterf**k whogivesashitaboutRP.
And to mention, you shouldn't have a stupid come back like *You as the people of Argonath TEACH players how to roleplay, but you don't.* As groups such as Gvardia and Stracci are trying their best to overcome stupid moronic gameplay that completely destroys the server's atmosphere, and teach people how to interact within roleplay. In my opinion, and I'm sure most, the SAPD/ARPD should be doing the same.
Amen.
We're not here to shit but to show our care.
It's the ignorant people that are not open to change that are wrong here.
Argonath Vision
By the way, how can you prove that you're being ignored? Administrators don't ever stop, when on duty. I agree some of them may be neglecting a bit the work, but again I don't have much to complain about. Like you said 4 administrators for 100 people, sometimes even more. But the administration team is Quality over quantity I believe. I don't think when you /admins and see 10 guys it will mean the server is better moderated.
The problem about the so called nullveteransnull is that they don't give any other ideas, criticizing is cool, but what about making something about it? You talk about change, I'll quote JCS null Lead by Examplenull . Also... about the admins [email protected].
This is only my opinion, I'll be glad to debate.
I have sent mails to that adress.
No change, no improvements.
Once again we're here for the sake of Argonath.
Do you really think these topics are made for fun?
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wants to rebuild what is broken.
This parts is interesting me. What exactly are broken and needs to be rebuilt, and can you back up your statement with solid facts?
I will take and respond on some of your questions.
The veterans among us may know that the server now is different from when we joined.
Everything changes, it might not be in a way which YOU dont like.
Let's start with reports. Nobody is looking in most of the reports, they are being ignored, fact. Don't even try to deny this.
And can you proove it with solid facts and not opinions?
Argonath should be open to constructive criticism. Countless of topics containing this got locked, deleted and their advise got ignored. No wonder a lot of veterans left the server. They became sick of not being listened to. I myself have also reccomended something to increase RP, it got ignored. Now let me ask are you even trying?
You are right, constructive criticism is always good, and i bet that even the owners wont deny that. But the big problem is, not many here is able to give constructive criticism, and with that, evidence of their points. The problem with your topic is that you are attempting to give out constructive criticism, but you are giving out what YOUR opinion are. You are stating points which you see as a problem without any knowledge how it will look from the administration teams point of view, which makes us disagree what you are bringing up.
Get solid facts for your statements, then we can talk.
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This parts is interesting me. What exactly are broken and needs to be rebuilt, and can you back up your statement with solid facts?
The roleplay is broken if you haven't noticed.
Want facts? Enter the server and see if there are either dedicated roleplayers or moneyhungry moaners.
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They aren't for fun, most of them are used to enumerate all the flaws around. But again 0 ideas are given, apart of "Hire more admins".
Also let's make it clear that this is not a moan topic but an attempt to revive the server.
If you don't appreciate help, you're going to fall.
Argonath is made by players and for players, also why are you trying to revive something that's not dead?
How are we supposed to roleplay if we are being obstructed by admins who make bad decisions and rulebreakers ruining roleplay?
How can a bad decision influenced your role-play? Shoot out and banned for DM?
I saw people shitting on the server, flaming the admins in full caps; only a kick. For real? By doing that you are allowing rulebreakers to stay on this server.
The administrators have a guide of punishment, I believe so... they won't just distribute bans for everyone that rule breaks
Argonath should be open to constructive criticism. Countless of topics containing this got locked, deleted and their advise got ignored. No wonder a lot of veterans left the server. They became sick of not being listened to. I myself have also reccomended something to increase RP, it got ignored. Now let me ask are you even trying?
Can you tell me what topics? The ones who don't like the community, leave, of course, it's their right! But again, we only miss the ones who are actually here, and fight to keep this project alive.
I am sure that I forgot something important, but it will come to my mind.. At least if this topic won't be locked / trashed in only minutes.
What's left to say? Like you said thousands of topics were created... don't you think the guys got the idea already?
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The roleplay is broken if you haven't noticed.
Want facts? Enter the server and see if there are either dedicated roleplayers or moneyhungry moaners.
Me as a admin is seeing MUCH more then you do, and i can definitly say that the roleplay is not dead.
I have updated my previous post.
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Everyone claiming reports are ignored, i have never seen such a stupid comment, you should right now change that view, every report is readed and decided if its important or not! alteas half of them are invalid and wrong reports.
Then the real reports are readed and taken action on, just that you dont get an text saying it gets looked into, does not mean it don't. also in this view you sharing about it, just show you reports cause you want to see the punishments.
But most of punishments are not official... and yes, your pointless view of this and point of that stupid comment just show you don't know what you talking about.
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Well I'm not sure what server you are playing on but I see roleplay every where are look... of course, there are some money hungry people, some people who don't do a lot of roleplay, some who break the rules, some who hack, sometimes there aren't any admins online, sometimes there are some reports that go un answered. Don't even try to tell me this isn't present on any other server.
A veteran in this case would be an oldtimer who wants to rebuild what is broken.
So a veteran in your opinion is only a person who wants to change the server?
A kick is not enough for a severe rulebreak.
Define: "Severe"
I am talking about veterans leaving because they are not being listened to.
Have some respect for players on who this server was built.
I respect those who follow the rules, have creative roleplay, help the server and help new players, all in all decent people, I don't care what your /whenmade is or your registration date on the forums, if you are one who regularly follows the rules and goes out of their way to try and help others where they can, I will respect you.
If you sit and break the rules, then sorry, but you wont have my respect. (Note that this is a general reference and not directed at you)
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The roleplay is broken if you haven't noticed.
Want facts? Enter the server and see if there are either dedicated roleplayers or moneyhungry moaners.
Broken? You must be in the wrong server. Thousands of role-play situations are made by multiple players in the server. From A.R.P.D. to Gvardia ( Random organisations, just giving an example)
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Let me make some things very clear.
1. Any player who laft, has lost the right to speak. If you play one hour a month, or are currently banned, do not come here in this topic shitting. Anyone who does after this post gets a free forum ban:
2. If you want to improve things, you have to be on server. And in order to get where you want to be, you got to work for it. Sitting on your lazy ass flooding /report and then claiming you want to improve things does not cut it.
3. Remember how you joined the server. Were you the perfect roleplqyer the first day you joined? Did you find your way without being helped? Most probably you were greeted by verterans of that day and admins, who helped you and took the time to explain. Now its your turn to return that favour. If you feel too good to help new players, do not make these topics as you are responsible for the problems yourself.
4. If your reports go unnoticed; then think of what you are doing wrong. Lets say a veteran mafia member reports a new guy for DM. The report is checked after 10 seconds, which is possible when it is busy. The first thing an admin will do to check the report is to spectate the reported player. He sees the player is alone as he was already killed. Will he punish? Of course not, he will just laugh and go to the next report. Yeah your report got ignired as far as you are concerned, and with good reason.
5. Now lets see about improvements.
You want better roleplay? Throw out your weapons, stop shooting everyone you do not know. My challenge is you can not play without using weapons for one week. Prove me wrong.
You want admins to give more attention to rulebreakers? Stop wasting their time with useless discussions about why they did not punish the guy you reported 10 mnutes ago. Stop feeling butthurt if you get killed or someone hits your car. Just continue as you were and do not waste time.
You want veterans to be considered as valuable and people listening to you? Give back what you want. Listen to others and they will listen to you.
We appreciate help, and we appreciate people trying to increase the numbers. But we will listen only to those who are actually playing, not to those who are absent:
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Let's put it in this way.
Is this topic constructive, or is it falling in the category of moaning?
If so, why? If so, what is constructive?
Topics like this is not always constructive; yes indeed, but yet again - how are we supposed to thick the empty boxes if we cannot allow everyone to spread their opinions. If good compliments is the only thing you can take, you will never develop. Acting wrong, doing wrong, maybe heading wrong will be rebuilt best if you take time and listen to people who wants you good. You might look at it in a different way sometimes, but by time you will understand that "hey, this dude actually wanted me to head in the right direction". It doesn't mean that it's always right, that's not what I'm saying. But it's always good to listen, not only to the good parts and the compliments itself, but to listen to criticism and learn from it.
There's also a dark side about this, since most of the topics is actually a lot of shit, and not much of good criticism after all.
I'm using "you" as in a server-wide perspective, btw.
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Let's put it in this way.
Is this topic constructive, or is it falling in the category of moaning?
If so, why? If so, what is constructive?
Topics like this is not always constructive; yes indeed, but yet again - how are we supposed to thick the empty boxes if we cannot allow everyone to spread their opinions. If good compliments is the only thing you can take, you will never develop. Acting wrong, doing wrong, maybe heading wrong will be rebuilt best if you take time and listen to people who wants you good. You might look at it in a different way sometimes, but by time you will understand that "hey, this dude actually wanted me to head in the right direction". It doesn't mean that it's always right, that's not what I'm saying. But it's always good to listen, not only to the good parts and the compliments itself, but to listen to criticism and learn from it.
I'm using "you" as in a server-wide perspective.
Who's ignoring? It falls on moaning because it isn't positive criticism, but criticism only! Like I said before, go to the server, work on the field. Work alongside with the moderators and administrators to welcome the newcomers, and to teach them the wonders of the imaginations instead of aiming only to the scripted jobs. A positive criticism is when you criticize but then you actually show possibilities, instead of going around the same problem and using old phrases. Again, it leads nowhere and only causes bad mood.
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What the hell is positive criticism?
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Let's put it in this way.
Is this topic constructive, or is it falling in the category of moaning?
If so, why? If so, what is constructive?
Topics like this is not always constructive; yes indeed, but yet again - how are we supposed to thick the empty boxes if we cannot allow everyone to spread their opinions. If good compliments is the only thing you can take, you will never develop. Acting wrong, doing wrong, maybe heading wrong will be rebuilt best if you take time and listen to people who wants you good. You might look at it in a different way sometimes, but by time you will understand that "hey, this dude actually wanted me to head in the right direction". It doesn't mean that it's always right, that's not what I'm saying. But it's always good to listen, not only to the good parts and the compliments itself, but to listen to criticism and learn from it.
I'm using "you" as in a server-wide perspective.
As people will find out soon, we do listen. But at the same time we have two limitations. One is the general build of the scripts, the second is creativity and openmindedness of players. Espeially that second part is missing. People seem unwilling to talk to and meet others, out of anxiety they may lose some worthless virtual money or weapons. Also they lack creativity, as there is an endless repetition of the same thing.
This is not idrected at you, but a general issue.
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What the hell is positive criticism.
Bringing solutions, not pointing at problems.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism#A_good_criticism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism#A_good_criticism)
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As people will find out soon, we do listen. But at the same time we have two limitations. One is the general build of the scripts, the second is creativity and openmindedness of players. Espeially that second part is missing. People seem unwilling to talk to and meet others, out of anxiety they may lose some worthless virtual money or weapons. Also they lack creativity, as there is an endless repetition of the same thing.
This is not idrected at you, but a general issue.
I know what you're talking about.
Bringing solutions, not pointing at problems.
Criticism itself should not be positive, it should be something that is put negatively. Then of course, the way of bringing solutions into the whole criticism is absolutely top class, but most of the so-called solutions are mostly even more splattered than the current thing(s) they're criticizing. Kinda paradoxical subject if you ask me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism#A_good_criticism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism#A_good_criticism)
Positive and good are two completely different things.
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Read the topic title. " Constructive Criticism " . The definition was given by Gandalf, if you check the link you'll see they match.
Constructive -> To improve -> Good
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Let's start with reports. Nobody is looking in most of the reports, they are being ignored, fact. Don't even try to deny this. Countless of times I had to report hackers, rammers, deathmatchers, did someone look into my report after 5 times? No. Now you may say it's due to the lack of admins. In that case RECRUIT new ones. Around 4 admins to overview over 100 players is madness. This is allowing rulebreakers to roam the server. One of the things obstructing roleplay. Also if there is concrete evidence of someone rulebreaking, punish him / her. Too many times I see someone writing, flaming in full caps and mis-using /ad, nothing happened.
I saw people shitting on the server, flaming the admins in full caps; only a kick. For real? By doing that you are allowing rulebreakers to stay on this server.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Better don't talk about what you don't know. ;)
To be honest, it's not because someone doesn't /on your report that it means no one look at it.
Sometime I don't /on it, because it can influence the behaviour of the reporter. When they see an admin is watching, they start acting in a different way and try to make the other party look guilty, when it's sometime not true.
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Read the topic title. " Constructive Criticism " . The definition was given by Gandalf, if you check the link you'll see they match.
Constructive -> To improve -> Good
Positive and good are still two different things, it doesn't matter how many arrows to the right you use.
And constructive is not being positive, it's a way of turning criticism (or whatsoever) to be adaptable to the matter you are not completely gruntled with.
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Writing a wall of text on my phone is not gonna work now, so I'm going to adress the main posts.
Let me make some things very clear.
1. Any player who laft, has lost the right to speak. If you play one hour a month, or are currently banned, do not come here in this topic shitting. Anyone who does after this post gets a free forum ban:
2. If you want to improve things, you have to be on server. And in order to get where you want to be, you got to work for it. Sitting on your lazy ass flooding /report and then claiming you want to improve things does not cut it.
3. Remember how you joined the server. Were you the perfect roleplqyer the first day you joined? Did you find your way without being helped? Most probably you were greeted by verterans of that day and admins, who helped you and took the time to explain. Now its your turn to return that favour. If you feel too good to help new players, do not make these topics as you are responsible for the problems yourself.
4. If your reports go unnoticed; then think of what you are doing wrong. Lets say a veteran mafia member reports a new guy for DM. The report is checked after 10 seconds, which is possible when it is busy. The first thing an admin will do to check the report is to spectate the reported player. He sees the player is alone as he was already killed. Will he punish? Of course not, he will just laugh and go to the next report. Yeah your report got ignired as far as you are concerned, and with good reason.
5. Now lets see about improvements.
You want better roleplay? Throw out your weapons, stop shooting everyone you do not know. My challenge is you can not play without using weapons for one week. Prove me wrong.
You want admins to give more attention to rulebreakers? Stop wasting their time with useless discussions about why they did not punish the guy you reported 10 mnutes ago. Stop feeling butthurt if you get killed or someone hits your car. Just continue as you were and do not waste time.
You want veterans to be considered as valuable and people listening to you? Give back what you want. Listen to others and they will listen to you.
We appreciate help, and we appreciate people trying to increase the numbers. But we will listen only to those who are actually playing, not to those who are absent:
2. So reporting is lazy and not improving?
3. I was not the perfect roleplayer. Nobody is when he first joins, but I'm talking about the regular players who freeroam on the server, farm weed, with other words don't interact with others.
4. And if a regular player reports an airbreaker and it gets ignored?
5. I would prove you wrong if you would actually watch what I'm doing. I barely use any guns at all.
So being killed is ok?
I'm listening to everyone.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Better don't talk about what you don't know. ;)
To be honest, it's not because someone doesn't /on your report that it means no one look at it.
Sometime I don't /on it, because it can influence the behaviour of the reporter. When they see an admin is watching, they start acting in a different way and try to make the other party look guilty, when it's sometime not true.
I never saw that airbreaker getting banned.
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From my point of view, something constructive is something that aims to a better way. :neutral:
Crook, you can't make people Role Play. That's the whole point of the server, you role-play when you want. It's not like, I crash into your car and I have to hit my head into the wheel. Even I: sometimes I don't feel like role-playing much, so I don't. I limit to main chat or something. Other days I feel like role-playing, so I create scenarios and role-play with the surrounding players. I have no complain about lack of role play from the players, only when I arrest mad criminals :lol:
Again, present solutions. Else this is going to be just another topic...
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From my point of view, something constructive is something that aims to a better way. :neutral:
Crook, you can't make people Role Play. That's the whole point of the server, you role-play when you want. It's not like, I crash into your car and I have to hit my head into the wheel. Even I: sometimes I don't feel like role-playing much, so I don't. I limit to main chat or something. Other days I feel like role-playing, so I create scenarios and role-play with the surrounding players. I have no complain about lack of role play from the players, only when I arrest mad criminals :lol:
Again, present solutions. Else this is going to be just another topic...
Are you implying that this topic is made for no reason? Constructive is in the title and it indeed aims to something better.
I can not influence how others roleplay, but you must remember that this is a roleplay server.
Money should just be removed since it obstructs roleplay heavily.
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Money should just be removed since it obstructs roleplay heavily.
Please, do elaborate on how removing all money will improve roleplay.
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Please, do elaborate on how removing all money will improve roleplay.
Like Gandalf said, players avoid interaction / roleplay out of fear to lose their precious guns / money.
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Are you implying that this topic is made for no reason? Constructive is in the title and it indeed aims to something better.
I can not influence how others roleplay, but you must remember that this is a roleplay server.
Money should just be removed since it obstructs roleplay heavily.
I'm implying you're not showing solutions, only talking about bad points. Read my previous posts. You cannot influence, or force, but you can co operate. Money should be removed? Then weapons as well. And Scripts. Only /l and /me. It makes no sense. Money is not the problem, the minds of the people are, from what you are saying. You're just taking the shortcut. Like I said, go in-game, talk with the people there. There are groups, clans, mafias, gangs, all of them embraced in role-play. This topic was made for a reason, but there's no reason to maintain this topic.
I talked about the constructive because of Chrome, by the way.
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Are you implying that this topic is made for no reason? Constructive is in the title and it indeed aims to something better.
I can not influence how others roleplay, but you must remember that this is a roleplay server.
Money should just be removed since it obstructs roleplay heavily.
This topic has been made for no reason.
Why? It is about the fiftiest moaning-topic I've spotted in a few months. "Constructive Critism", such as you describe it, does not point the finger only to others but try to understand their mistakes aswell.
Why do you experience less roleplay situations?
Why do you feel that admins do not check reports? Have you rights to see what happens behind closed doors?
I heavily object that roleplaying is gone out of Argonath. I've experienced and tasted many sides of Argonath and lately I've been working on own ideas that worked out fantastic. Every day I play on Argonath is one full of roleplay, wether I look for it or not, it just happens.
If you do not experience the roleplay, do not speak like the server has no roleplay, look for flaws by yourself and be original.
Don't blame the server, I heavily object your opinion and I am quite sure many stand behind me aswell. Roleplay has only increased over the years.
Administrators, even if there is only one online, checks my reports. If they don't, I wait patiently and don't start moaning/flooding or whatever is commonly seen on the server. Make screenshots, warn the player about the rule he broke and let the administration deal with him further.
Even if he doesn't get punished right now doesn't mean he never will be.
Like Gandalf said, players avoid interaction / roleplay out of fear to lose their precious guns / money.
Then how about buying no precious guns? Why do you even need a gun to roleplay? You don't need it in many roleplay situations.
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Argonath should be open to constructive criticism.
Well you should keep this in mind; you are playing in somebody else's server, somebody else's community. The Owners set their principles, vision and mission. I'm not saying Argonath is not open to any changes, but it is the Owners' right to allow or reject whatever they want. "Whatever" includes; constructive criticism topics, script ideas, new rules etc etc.
They are the ones who will make the last decision about radical changes, we can only respect their decision.
Imagine, you create a community and game servers based on your thoughts and imagination, and some certain people keeps moaning about your principles. They try to introduce new stuff that you don't like at all, they try to make big changes that are against your ideas. What'd you tell to them? I'd say: Love it or leave it.
This reply is not totally directed at you, this is to the people who always moan about the way Argonath is ruled.
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Let's start with reports. Nobody is looking in most of the reports, they are being ignored, fact. Don't even try to deny this. Countless of times I had to report hackers, rammers, deathmatchers, did someone look into my report after 5 times? No. Now you may say it's due to the lack of admins. In that case RECRUIT new ones. Around 4 admins to overview over 100 players is madness. This is allowing rulebreakers to roam the server. One of the things obstructing roleplay. Also if there is concrete evidence of someone rulebreaking, punish him / her. Too many times I see someone writing, flaming in full caps and mis-using /ad, nothing happened.
The fact that admins do not answer a lot of reports is indeed true, but it is something that depends on players themselves. Speaking from own experience as admin in SA:MP (and I'm sure any current admin can back me up on this one), a big part of the reports come from people who have no interest in solving it themselves. Even in many cases the admin spectates reported player, doesn't see anything (for cases like shooting or ramming) and moves on to next report.
You got rammed by the player? Tell him to stop, tell him to f**k off. Or try teaching them if it's a newbie. Still getting rammed? Be a man and shoot them, do whatever comes to your mind to persuade them - it's just impossible that a regular/veteran is unable to intimidate a newbie who's uninterested in learning.
Now if there is a lot of people reporting players for minor shit and they don't wanna deal with it, and then moan to admins about them not responding it - it is also because the admins themselves are making them think they can overuse /report and later squeal...
Argonath SA:MP is still the same from 2008 - the difference you all seem to be complaining about is most likely the way people are manifestating themselves...
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You got rammed by the player? Tell him to stop, tell him to f**k off. Still getting rammed? Be a man and shoot them, do whatever comes to your mind to persuade them - it's just impossible that a regular/veteran is unable to intimidate a newbie who's uninterested in learning.
Tradition still goes on,
There is a hacker and no admin online? All the players, gather at Fort Baxter and fight the hacker! :D
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You should come on IV:MP some time.
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Let's start with reports. Nobody is looking in most of the reports, they are being ignored, fact. Don't even try to deny this. Countless of times I had to report hackers, rammers, deathmatchers, did someone look into my report after 5 times? No. Now you may say it's due to the lack of admins. In that case RECRUIT new ones. Around 4 admins to overview over 100 players is madness.
Find the logs which prove these countless reports, then come back here and throw accusations.
As for the kicking part, often only moderators are available, and how do you know some people don't get punished?
warn, kick, tempban and ban are not the only punishments.
Also, when was the last time you came ingame?
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Tradition still goes on,
There is a hacker and no admin online? All the players, gather at Fort Baxter and fight the hacker! :D
And ran away from Pershing Square!
But back to the topic we go. JayL has a point. Everyone relies on the admins and expect them to do everything, if you want to help them deal with the rule breakers as long as you don't go against the server rules... of course if the guy shoots you, don't be afraid to shoot is arse!
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I'm implying you're not showing solutions, only talking about bad points. Read my previous posts. You cannot influence, or force, but you can co operate. Money should be removed? Then weapons as well. And Scripts. Only /l and /me. It makes no sense. Money is not the problem, the minds of the people are, from what you are saying. You're just taking the shortcut. Like I said, go in-game, talk with the people there. There are groups, clans, mafias, gangs, all of them embraced in role-play. This topic was made for a reason, but there's no reason to maintain this topic.
I talked about the constructive because of Chrome, by the way.
Are you denying that most players only play for money?
It used to be different. If you call the current activity roleplay I want your opinion on roleplay in 2009 / 2010.
Well you should keep this in mind; you are playing in somebody else's server, somebody else's community. The Owners set their principles, vision and mission. I'm not saying Argonath is not open to any changes, but it is the Owners' right to allow or reject whatever they want. nullWhatevernull includes; constructive criticism topics, script ideas, new rules etc etc.
They are the ones who will make the last decision about radical changes, we can only respect their decision.
Imagine, you create a community and game servers based on your thoughts and imagination, and some certain people keeps moaning about your principles. They try to introduce new stuff that you don't like at all, they try to make big changes that are against your ideas. What'd you tell to them? I'd say: Love it or leave it.
This reply is not totally directed at you, this is to the people who always moan about the way Argonath is ruled.
I do agree on what is said here.
The thing is that it is told that players themselves should roleplay to get roleplay in the server.
I don't see that happening.
This topic has been made for no reason.
Why? It is about the fiftiest moaning-topic I've spotted in a few months. nullConstructive Critismnull, such as you describe it, does not point the finger only to others but try to understand their mistakes aswell.
Why do you experience less roleplay situations?
Why do you feel that admins do not check reports? Have you rights to see what happens behind closed doors?
I heavily object that roleplaying is gone out of Argonath. I've experienced and tasted many sides of Argonath and lately I've been working on own ideas that worked out fantastic. Every day I play on Argonath is one full of roleplay, wether I look for it or not, it just happens.
If you do not experience the roleplay, do not speak like the server has no roleplay, look for flaws by yourself and be original.
Don't blame the server, I heavily object your opinion and I am quite sure many stand behind me aswell. Roleplay has only increased over the years.
Administrators, even if there is only one online, checks my reports. If they don't, I wait patiently and don't start moaning/flooding or whatever is commonly seen on the server. Make screenshots, warn the player about the rule he broke and let the administration deal with him further.
Even if he doesn't get punished right now doesn't mean he never will be.
Then how about buying no precious guns? Why do you even need a gun to roleplay? You don't need it in many roleplay situations.
I'm talking about the obstructions.
Imagine that I want to roleplay and on the way I get suspected for assault.
I report the officer, nothing happens.
Also, who the hell is even talking about guns?
The fact that admins do not answer a lot of reports is indeed true, but it is something that depends on players themselves. Speaking from own experience as admin in SA:MP (and I'm sure any current admin can back me up on this one), a big part of the reports come from people who have no interest in solving it themselves. Even in many cases the admin spectates reported player, doesn't see anything (for cases like shooting or ramming) and moves on to next report.
You got rammed by the player? Tell him to stop, tell him to f**k off. Or try teaching them if it's a newbie. Still getting rammed? Be a man and shoot them, do whatever comes to your mind to persuade them - it's just impossible that a regular/veteran is unable to intimidate a newbie who's uninterested in learning.
Now if there is a lot of people reporting players for minor shit and they don't wanna deal with it, and then moan to admins about them not responding it - it is also because the admins themselves are making them think they can overuse /report and later squeal...
Argonath SA:MP is still the same from 2008 - the difference you all seem to be complaining about is most likely the way people are manifestating themselves...
And me shooting the newbie will result into punishment, been there.Find the logs which prove these countless reports, then come back here and throw accusations.
As for the kicking part, often only moderators are available, and how do you know some people don't get punished?
warn, kick, tempban and ban are not the only punishments.
Also, when was the last time you came ingame?
I would happily go in game and collect the logs if I could.
I was last in game around 15 days ago, I'm on a vacation.
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And me shooting the newbie will result into punishment, been there.
Impossible, unless you decided to shoot AFTER reporting, else there's no way the admin would have his attention on the scene...
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Why do you, and most of the veterans concentrate in 2008/09/10!? We're in bloody 2012, new players, new kinds of role-play, new administration team. Stop focusing on the past, and put your eyes in the present and judge without comparing it. If you miss that year so badly create a group, where you all sit in a room talking about how good it was. Seriously, a big part of the players play for the money, since they haven't been introduced to the role-play freedom. But I can tell you, that no player that's in Argonath for more than a month never role-played.
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Impossible, unless you decided to shoot AFTER reporting, else there's no way the admin would have his attention on the scene...
:D ...
After around 15 seconds of no admin action, I shot.
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1. Any player who laft, has lost the right to speak. If you play one hour a month, or are currently banned, do not come here in this topic shitting. Anyone who does
Listen here mo'fucka, i play like man.. 20 hours a day so that equals about 600'ish hours per month. Is that enough for you mate?????? I mean.. I know 20 hours a day isn't a lot but ill play more if u wish sire!!!
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Listen here mo'f**ka, i play like man.. 20 hours a day so that equals about 600'ish hours per month. Is that enough for you mate?????? I mean.. I know 20 hours a day isn't a lot but ill play more if u wish sire!!!
Dude please! :bow:
:D ...
After around 15 seconds of no admin action, I shot.
:neutral: Expect nothing but punishment then.
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Dude please! :bow:
nigga plz*
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Just something that I found on the Argonath Wiki:
Problem: Your definition of role-play. A good role-play can't just get "ruined", hardly "disturbed".
Solution: If you expect that no one is allowed to interact with you while you're doing something else - go play The Sims.
http://wiki.argonathrpg.eu/index.php/SA-MP_Solutions_against_deathmatchers,_abusers,_and_alike (http://wiki.argonathrpg.eu/index.php/SA-MP_Solutions_against_deathmatchers,_abusers,_and_alike)
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http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=86639.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=86639.0)
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How are we supposed to roleplay if we are being obstructed by admins who make bad decisions and rulebreakers ruining roleplay?
Let's start with reports. Nobody is looking in most of the reports, they are being ignored, fact. Don't even try to deny this. Countless of times I had to report hackers, rammers, deathmatchers, did someone look into my report after 5 times? No.
If you call the topic "constructive criticism" it does not automatically make it that way.
By this statement you are basically shitting on the server and the admin team, having no foundation or basis to do so.
1) No the server does not lack roleplay. If you think so - you're hanging out with wrong people or you don't roleplay yourself.
2) If admins obstruct you from roleplaying.. then there's something wrong with you.
3) Saying that admins don't react to reports is foolish in every point. Admins are responding to every report. Even if they are busy at the particular moment, they return to the report later on. You cannot see that but I can. I can see admins typing /on [report], or when they are returning to report they just notify other admins that they are taking it, without letting know to the reporter.
We do not ignore reports. If he were ignoring them, we would be dismissed from the team.
If you are reporting 5 times, be ready for a warn or kick for flooding. One report is really enough.
4) People have been saying about the SAPD and Argonath in general that they are falling apart for at least last 4 years. And as you can see, it still hasn't fallen.
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There is RP going on everyday and anytime.And have you thinked of this: Maybe you are yourself the black sheep who doesnt RP.There are lots of roleplay groups out there.Clans, Criminal organisations, The SAPD.
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I myself always try to encourage Roleplay, both amongst veterans and new players. Do I change something, I hope so and I do think so since I am a confident person but does your post change anything, not at all, at least without facts supported by solid evidence.
If Argonath was so bad as you explained then can you explain how we survived in SA-MP for 6 years, were official for quite some time, and we have a big amount of players daily? You're free to criticise with solid evidence backed facts, then people will support you actually, but these are allegations, without solid evidence and that is technically Shitting on the community.
The same veterans who this community was build, are still playing and are still loyal. Argonath was built in a base of friendship and fun and not on shitting on each other. I am not sure if you're playing on another server, but trying to make Argonath change shape to fit yours won't happen aslong as the very same Veterans you keep talking about are loyal to it and there are people who care about this community, does not matter their registration date, all are equal.
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Just something that I found on the Argonath Wiki:
http://wiki.argonathrpg.eu/index.php/SA-MP_Solutions_against_deathmatchers,_abusers,_and_alike (http://wiki.argonathrpg.eu/index.php/SA-MP_Solutions_against_deathmatchers,_abusers,_and_alike)
Nothing to do with the topic.
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=86639.0 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=86639.0)
It's immature of you to call this shitting.
I am not posting this to pass time for your information.
If you call the topic "constructive criticism" it does not automatically make it that way.
By this statement you are basically shitting on the server and the admin team, having no foundation or basis to do so.
1) No the server does not lack roleplay. If you think so - you're hanging out with wrong people or you don't roleplay yourself.
2) If admins obstruct you from roleplaying.. then there's something wrong with you.
3) Saying that admins don't react to reports is foolish in every point. Admins are responding to every report. Even if they are busy at the particular moment, they return to the report later on. You cannot see that but I can. I can see admins typing /on [report], or when they are returning to report they just notify other admins that they are taking it, without letting know to the reporter.
We do not ignore reports. If he were ignoring them, we would be dismissed from the team.
If you are reporting 5 times, be ready for a warn or kick for flooding. One report is really enough.
4) People have been saying about the SAPD and Argonath in general that they are falling apart for at least last 4 years. And as you can see, it still hasn't fallen.
Dig into the topic some more and see what I based my accusations on will you?
1. I mostly hang out with Gvardia, and we are one of the only groups who actually try to stimulate roleplay.
You weren't there to see the roleplay occuring between + - 50 Argonath players.
Saying that we are lazy and that we do not roleplay is you shitting on us. Now what are you basing those accusations on?
2. Or there's something wrong with the admin obstructing at that time. Admins are not holy, see if the problem is with you or with us.
3. Again, dig further through the topic. After around 5 times of reporting an airbreaker and nothing happening, I can see that every report is checked. ;)
4. No, because moaners and capitalists are not dominating the server at all.
There is RP going on everyday and anytime.And have you thinked of this: Maybe you are yourself the black sheep who doesnt RP.There are lots of roleplay groups out there.Clans, Criminal organisations, The SAPD.
Like said above, me and the people in my environment roleplay all the time.
I checked myself, I'm not the bllack sheep.
I myself always try to encourage Roleplay, both amongst veterans and new players. Do I change something, I hope so and I do think so since I am a confident person but does your post change anything, not at all, at least without facts supported by solid evidence.
If Argonath was so bad as you explained then can you explain how we survived in SA-MP for 6 years, were official for quite some time, and we have a big amount of players daily? You're free to criticise with solid evidence backed facts, then people will support you actually, but these are allegations, without solid evidence and that is technically Shitting on the community.
The same veterans who this community was build, are still playing and are still loyal. Argonath was built in a base of friendship and fun and not on shitting on each other. I am not sure if you're playing on another server, but trying to make Argonath change shape to fit yours won't happen aslong as the very same Veterans you keep talking about are loyal to it and there are people who care about this community, does not matter their registration date, all are equal.
What solid evidence do you need?
Quality not quantity. The atmosphere in the server has changed.
Argonath is the only server I play on, that's why I bothered making this topic.
Also saying this is shitting on the community is pathetic as hell.
Denying that there are more moneyhungers, moaners and dmers than rpers is also pathetic.
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4 pages of your "Constructive Criticism" topic and you haven't presented any solution.
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That's because there is no chance given and ever after post number two, the topic is built upon statements that have nothing to do / are complete shit anyway.Therefore, he has no chance to actually do anything but to respond to clueless posts.
I think what Stef said is true, certain things should change entirely but I don't think there's anything that you can revive with an intolerant majority.
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That's because there is no chance given and ever after post number two, the topic is built upon statements that have nothing to do / are complete shit anyway.Therefore, he has no chance to actually do anything but to respond to clueless posts.
I think what Stef said is true, certain things should change entirely but I don't think there's anything that you can revive with an intolerant majority.
Present the problems -> Present your solutions.
He should be doing it since the 1st post.
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Present the problems -> Present your solutions.
He should be doing it since the 1st post.
How to give solutions when you are being shat on by the majority who has its eyes closed?
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I think he wanted to start a discussion so that the group can come to a conclusion / find a solution as a whole. If you have a solution for something that is meant to be a discussion, you might aswell make sure that the topic gets locked after post number one.
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Argonath should be open to constructive criticism. Countless of topics containing this got locked, deleted and their advise got ignored. No wonder a lot of veterans left the server. They became sick of not being listened to. I myself have also reccomended something to increase RP, it got ignored. Now let me ask are you even trying?
This is because we have many members who like to turn topics into arguments rather than discussions.
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This is because we have many members who like to turn topics into arguments rather than discussions.
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If you think you're right, you should present the solutions, take the discussion and present solid and good arguments. At the moment I only see an argument related to Admin work and role-play.
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This is because we have many members who like to turn topics into arguments rather than discussions.
I don't disagree.
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If you think you're right, you should present the solutions, take the discussion and present solid and good arguments. At the moment I only see an argument related to Admin work and role-play.
And you don't get it.
Now people are disagreeing about lack of roleplay, what do you see as roleplay?
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What about you open a RP School to teach people how to be pro RPer ? Good idea heh ? I'm waiting you in-game to see how it goes.
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What about you open a RP School to teach people how to be pro RPer ? Good idea heh ? I'm waiting you in-game to see how it goes.
Roleplay isn't teached from an individual to another.
It is teached through interaction between 2 or more players.
Sadly people prefer to farm weed and moan on everything happening.
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Who said it was individual to another ? What restrict you to take some guys and go on the street and start a RP ?
But yeah, sadly people prefer to moan on forum than trying to change things.
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Who said it was individual to another ? What restrict you to take some guys and go on the street and start a RP ?
But yeah, sadly people prefer to moan on forum than trying to change things.
Nothing restricts me, I am doing it almost every day.
But then again we're talking about 3-7 guys. The rest of the server isn't involved and continues their habits.
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Remind me once again what's the objective with this topic?
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When Jcstodds organize some RP, everyone join. I think you must do it wrong, so better ask yourself what you need to improve.
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Remind me once again what's the objective with this topic?
Stop post hunting and find out yourself.
When Jcstodds organize some RP, everyone join. I think you must do it wrong, so better ask yourself what you need to improve.
Yes, because of his admin status of course. Everyone loves administrators. If a newbie would organize a roleplay through /ad nobody would even appear.
No offense to Jc. It's how the players behave.
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Stop post hunting and find out yourself.
Now you've made a mistake... Post hunting. Look pal' you made a topic to cry about the current state of the Argonath RolePlay:
Why? Lack of roleplay / no roleplay in the server. It has been said a thousand times, want RP? RP yourself. How are we supposed to roleplay if we are being obstructed by admins who make bad decisions and rulebreakers ruining roleplay?
I showed you the Wiki arcticle that is DIRECTLY connected to that point.
Let's start with reports. Nobody is looking in most of the reports, they are being ignored, fact. Don't even try to deny this.
Check how ironic it is, that you start with "Let's start with" and you don't even touch any other point. You are only questioning the job of the moderation and administration teams. You accuse them or being incompetent by not responding to your five reports about 1 occasion.
Hire more admins, nice solution, again falling in moaning tho'.
Argonath should be open to constructive criticism. Countless of topics containing this got locked, deleted and their advise got ignored. No wonder a lot of veterans left the server. They became sick of not being listened to. I myself have also reccomended something to increase RP, it got ignored. Now let me ask are you even trying?
It is open for it, but guess what? There are no such topics. You try to talk about how you get ignored, but on the other hand you're just creating a topic with one finality: to moan.
You don't think so? All you've done so far is feeding an argument without showing any other way or solutions to the posted "complaints".
What kind of ideas have you presented that got ignored?
Multiple people told you already, go in-game and do field work, instead of sitting your butt here, and type inconclusive stuff, with no point at all.
So let's see.
I am sure that I forgot something important, but it will come to my mind.. At least if this topic won't be locked / trashed in only minutes.
This is not moaning or shitting on the server, it's trying to revive actual roleplay how it was back in the days. So many flaws are being ignored.
I have spoken about this to many, many people, and the players do agree that the server is falling apart.
Isn't it time for change?
You're sure you forgot something important? Are you kidding? A 30 line text but still you think you left something important out...
It is moaning, it isn't shitting on the server but on the current players. How can you revive the role-play with this kind of topics? What flaws are being ignored? The fact that people don't role-play the same stuff as the guys from 2009? You've spoken about this to many players, only 1 has actually tried to defend your point so far. The server won't fall apart, read Argonath Vision.
So I ask you now, am I the post hunter? Or am I actually making a point?
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Roleplay isn't teached from an individual to another.
It is teached through interaction between 2 or more players.
TAUGHT.
Server was better four years ago? How can you know? Four years ago you weren't even able to spell your own name properly.
Lol, topic starter isn't even a good role-player. This is hilarious.
Constructive criticism? Improve yourself first, then talk about the server.
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Stefano is right... I tried to RP with some officers today as an Hobo searching for food and dieing.. then I saw an officer aiming on me..I didn't /report but Rp'ed the cop trying to kill me..then got su for evading...I created the Rp and got abused...
Everytime you try to Rp you fail because someone or it turns into a great DM..
I think everybody knows how to RP in the server not needed a RP School tho'.. even who can't RP will say they can RP..
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Stefano is right... I tried to RP with some officers today as an Hobo searching for food and dieing.. then I saw an officer aiming on me..I didn't /report but Rp'ed the cop trying to kill me..then got su for evading...I created the Rp and got abused...
Everytime you try to Rp you fail because someone or it turns into a great DM..
I think everybody knows how to RP in the server not needed a RP School tho'.. even who can't RP will say they can RP..
Well, apart of your Role Play you can always tell them that this is not a DM server, etc etc. Most of the newcomers do that because they're not well integrated in the group of usual players in the server. Tell me, what would you do if you had just registered in Argonath? Do a role-play scenario?
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Maybe try to show some respect to new players and stop discriminating them, then maybe they'll be more kind toward others.
I've seen recently a lot of veterans telling new players to fuck off etc..
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Well, apart of your Role Play you can always tell them that this is not a DM server, etc etc. Most of the newcomers do that because they're not well integrated in the group of usual players in the server. Tell me, what would you do if you had just registered in Argonath? Do a role-play scenario?
UHmmm I'll just tell in public chat I'm new and I need help.. Then someone may come to help me but btw I learned with my own as I was in Stunt Server...
Maybe try to show some respect to new players and stop discriminating them, then maybe they'll be more kind toward others.
I've seen recently a lot of veterans telling new players to f**k off etc..
I help new players and not to flame them btw :P .... but if you want more RP..
TIP: Don't show new players how to be cop or they gonna abuse you or any other player(s)...
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Showing them how to be a cop is not a problem, if the guy who teaches him has like 5 minutes of free time to explain simple rules. Also the main problem of the new players on cop duty is the English knowledge from my point of view.
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TIP: Don't show new players how to be cop or they gonna abuse you or any other player(s)...
If someone explain them, they won't misuse the command and weapons.
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TAUGHT.
Server was better four years ago? How can you know? Four years ago you weren't even able to spell your own name properly.
My English was bad when I joined, but the atmosphere in the server was better. Something that I still know.
People willing to teach each other, money was not the only worry.
And who even talked about 4 years ago? ;)
Lol, topic starter isn't even a good role-player. This is hilarious.
Constructive criticism? Improve yourself first, then talk about the server.
When was the last time you roleplayed with me?
Wait.. There was no last time.
Now you've made a mistake... Post hunting. Look pal' you made a topic to cry about the current state of the Argonath RolePlay:
I showed you the Wiki arcticle that is DIRECTLY connected to that point.
Check how ironic it is, that you start with "Let's start with" and you don't even touch any other point. You are only questioning the job of the moderation and administration teams. You accuse them or being incompetent by not responding to your five reports about 1 occasion.
Hire more admins, nice solution, again falling in moaning tho'.
It is open for it, but guess what? There are no such topics. You try to talk about how you get ignored, but on the other hand you're just creating a topic with one finality: to moan.
You don't think so? All you've done so far is feeding an argument without showing any other way or solutions to the posted "complaints".
What kind of ideas have you presented that got ignored?
Multiple people told you already, go in-game and do field work, instead of sitting your butt here, and type inconclusive stuff, with no point at all.
You're sure you forgot something important? Are you kidding? A 30 line text but still you think you left something important out...
It is moaning, it isn't shitting on the server but on the current players. How can you revive the role-play with this kind of topics? What flaws are being ignored? The fact that people don't role-play the same stuff as the guys from 2009? You've spoken about this to many players, only 1 has actually tried to defend your point so far. The server won't fall apart, read Argonath Vision.
So I ask you now, am I the post hunter? Or am I actually making a point?
The only subject I adressed is the administration?
The topic isn't even about administration, try again.
Well, apart of your Role Play you can always tell them that this is not a DM server, etc etc. Most of the newcomers do that because they're not well integrated in the group of usual players in the server. Tell me, what would you do if you had just registered in Argonath? Do a role-play scenario?
How many times have I for example explained someone that this is a roleplay server..
It didn't help.
It's not that some people don't know the rules, they don't follow them.
Easy logic, /su + kill = $$$.
If someone explain them, they won't misuse the command and weapons.
Not really.
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The only subject I adressed is the administration?
The topic isn't even about administration, try again.
Where do I have to begin?
There are way too many issues to discuss.
The veterans among us may know that the server now is different from when we joined.
Why? Lack of roleplay / no roleplay in the server. It has been said a thousand times, want RP? RP yourself. How are we supposed to roleplay if we are being obstructed by admins who make bad decisions and rulebreakers ruining roleplay?
Let's start with reports. Nobody is looking in most of the reports, they are being ignored, fact.
This is allowing rulebreakers to roam the server. One of the things obstructing roleplay.
Right...
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Indeed, lack of roleplay is the subject, not administration.
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I would have a proposal:
Better if we have a "Tutorial Exam"..
Multiple-choice questions..
Example:
1.What should we avoid on cop duty: A.Suspect people for no reason B.Abusing our guns on civilians or C.Respecting cop rules
2.If someone kill you for no reason what will you do: A.Kill him/her back B.Report him/her for DMing you or C.Flame him/her.
ect....
Would be better and if the people fail to answer many questions he/she will be kicked and if he/she pass he/she can join the server..
Better choice :D
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Look, my point is:
You created a topic, titled Constructive Criticism, so you should stick to it, instead of being here remind the old times, and how the role-play doesn't exist at the moment, from your point of view. What do you think the players should do, to make the server better?
@Red
By that logic, you should make the player sign a contract saying he won't rule break, and he has to follow it... The problem is, answering questions doesn't reflect the attitude in the field.
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Look, my point is:
You created a topic, titled Constructive Criticism, so you should stick to it, instead of being here remind the old times, and how the role-play doesn't exist at the moment, from your point of view. What do you think the players should do, to make the server better?
Stop caring about virtual belongings like money, weapons and drugs.
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Good, now we're improving, you actually presented a solution.
One simple.. but still big problem: It's difficult to change the people's view. But a tip: Gather a team, make a group, something like that, and start organizing role play events to show and pass that message exactly. A new player just registered, go to him, show him the wonders of the role play and how it is only limited to their own imagination. Virtual money doesn't bring happiness. That's what you need to pass, but not here on the forums, but on the game directly with those people you're talking about. I do agree with your point, many people think like that, but still, it doesn't affect the dozens of role-play scenarios created by the rest of the players, that is actually much more!
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Good, now we're improving, you actually presented a solution.
One simple.. but still big problem: It's difficult to change the people's view. But a tip: Gather a team, make a group, something like that, and start organizing role play events to show and pass that message exactly. A new player just registered, go to him, show him the wonders of the role play and how it is only limited to their own imagination. Virtual money doesn't bring happiness. That's what you need to pass, but not here on the forums, but on the game directly with those people you're talking about. I do agree with your point, many people think like that, but still, it doesn't affect the dozens of role-play scenarios created by the rest of the players, that is actually much more!
But then we have this problem; People are mostly attracted to prizes.
I have seen different occassions where someone organized a roleplaying event without prizes and maybe 2 / 3 people joined.
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Stop caring about virtual belongings like money, weapons and drugs.
Now I don't get it anymore Stefano.. Are you even reading what other player write?? Where does Morais write he cares about virtual belongings.
Stefano, you need to start replying with real comments. Almost every single reply you make is avoiding the real question/point they make. An other example of how you react:
Stop post hunting and find out yourself.
Start reacting like a man and defend your points with real arguments instead of avoiding them because you probably don't have a good argument. Don't got a good argument? Be a man again and admit you were wrong. Think you got a good argument? Explain it, compare it, give a solution too.
Yes, because of his admin status of course. Everyone loves administrators. If a newbie would organize a roleplay through /ad nobody would even appear.
No offense to Jc. It's how the players behave.
Jc also did these things when he was not an administrator, yet lots of people were joining. Why? Because he made something new, interesting, creative and fun. Your point was proven wrong.
Start looking at yourself for once instead of pushing everything upon others.
As last, about what your first post is about. I think this was answered enough by others already.
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It doesn't has to be a server wide event... start a project. Little groups, then medium sized ones... and up up you go! Only commitment is needed.
Like you I bet there's people hungry to role-play I bet they'll join you. Look at JCS for example, he started a shop, advertised it a bit, when I got there 7 guys inside, everyone role-play with each other. Of course everyone knows, and will follow JCS because of his event past and because he's member of the administrator team... but still! Start to get along with everyone, not every well known guy is an admin!
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It doesn't has to be a server wide event... start a project. Little groups, then medium sized ones... and up up you go! Only commitment is needed.
Like you I bet there's people hungry to role-play I bet they'll join you. Look at JCS for example, he started a shop, advertised it a bit, when I got there 7 guys inside, everyone role-play with each other. Of course everyone knows, and will follow JCS because of his event past and because he's member of the administrator team... but still! Start to get along with everyone, not every well known guy is an admin!
Sounds easy. I have tried to advertise many roleplay activities many times with advertisements and more, not even 1 response.
Now I don't get it anymore Stefano.. Are you even reading what other player write?? Where does Morais write he cares about virtual belongings.
Nowhere? It was aimed towards people caring about it, not Morais.
Stefano, you need to start replying with real comments. Almost every single reply you make is avoiding the real question/point they make. An other example of how you react:
Start reacting like a man and defend your points with real arguments instead of avoiding them because you probably don't have a good argument. Don't got a good argument? Be a man again and admit you were wrong. Think you got a good argument? Explain it, compare it, give a solution too.
What do you want to know? I stated pretty much everything.
Jc also did these things when he was not an administrator, yet lots of people were joining. Why? Because he made something new, interesting, creative and fun. Your point was proven wrong.
Start looking at yourself for once instead of pushing everything upon others.
Read what I told Morais.
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It is easy. But I admit it's easier to quit.
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It is easy. But I admit it's easier to quit.
And many people take the easier step.
Now you can fill in what happens if many people do this.
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Well, if you care so much about the community continue to stimulate those kind of situations.
Honestly now, what do you think that will change with this topic? Do you think by appealing in the forums will change something? Words don't define people, actions do... right?
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Maybe you are yourself the black sheep who doesnt RP.
lol racist
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Well, if you care so much about the community continue to stimulate those kind of situations.
Honestly now, what do you think that will change with this topic? Do you think by appealing in the forums will change something? Words don't define people, actions do... right?
I'll try again, we'll see how successfull it'll be.
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Good luck and have fun!
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As usual, this topic turned into an argument. This is why we do not allow such topics in the first place.
If you want to discuss, then I suggest you to arrange a meeting on the forum chat.
Crook, you should show some f**king respect to people.
Also, if you want to criticize our community, at least, be active.
Stefano_Gvardia - Last Seen Online July 6th 2012.
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