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And also, the officer could have shot him somewhere else, not directly into the head, the dog would fall down and he could successfuly save the injuried man.
2.) A police baton is not going to do shit against a dog, you people really should not comment on police work when you have never experienced anything close to this sort of thing in real life.
1.) You have obviously never fired a gun, do you know how difficult it would be to draw a weapon, aim for a small target such as a dogs leg that is moving, then hit the target.
2.) A police baton is not going to do shit against a dog, you people really should not comment on police work when you have never experienced anything close to this sort of thing in real life.
I am only wondering though, what does the police academy teaches in situations like these. Seeing the footage, he most likely re-acted on human instinct and shot the dog, can't really blame him.
However what's more worrying is that this society is entertained and fed by violence. Both in the cases of this shooting, aswell as the knife man, there were crowds following just to see the sight, this is a mad world we live in.
It is standard practice to shoot an animal if it assaults a police officer.
Lack of professionalism - it's what I can say seeing such thing.I wonder what you'd say if the headline said "police officer fails to save man's life due to being unable to shoot a charging pitbull"..
I wonder what you'd say if the headline said "police officer fails to save man's life due to being unable to shoot a charging pitbull"..Check what I said above.
Pit bulls are known to be extremely agressive and not to give up when fighting.Exactly this. It is always unfortunate for such situations to happen, and I personally hope it never happens to me because I don't know if I could pull the trigger, but sadly it's one of those regretful decisions officers have to make without any time to think...
While they can be very sweet if controlled properly, a put bull raging is a lethal threat.
The officer had to choose between the possibility of losing the human life of the owner, getting himself and/or other bystanders hurt, or shooting the dog. If he was aware of the breed, I believe he took the correct decision. With the owner clearly being incapable of controlling, and the dog being willing to give his life to protect his owner, someone could have been seriously hurt. Waiting for animal control was not an option with an unconscious human lying there.
At such time the owner probably wished he had gotten the chihuahua.
Lack of professionalism - it's what I can say seeing such thing.Knowing their character a dobermann and rottweiler would not need to be shot in such a situation. While they can be vicious, they are also able to be controlled when approached with the right authority.
A similiar situation happened two years ago near my grandma's house and everything went well. I had the oportunity to see everything and I must admit it was an hard process since either the doberman and the rottweiler were kinda stressed (like the dog on the pic).
The difference in the case you witnessed was that the dogs were protecting the property, not the person.
I dont think the breed of the dog should matter as even smaller dogs can still maul people, hell a domestic cat is more lethal as its claws can easily penetrate the human skin, but Lucky for this freecop the State of New York has laws that make it ok for cops to shoot breeds like Pitbulls, still I hope that cop at least get sued and has to pay hefty fines, because trigger happy cops are a threat to everyone. However I wouldnt f**k with that cop looks like hes got some fast and accurate pistol shooting skills.The breed of dog does matter a lot more as the size. The issue is how controllable a dog is when stressed, and how easy it is to stop an attack. The problem with a pit bull is not that they are in any way a bad breed, but that they as good as impossible to take out of attack mode. That is in their genes, and you can not blame the dog for this as it is the result of human selection. In a way they are like bees.
I fail to see how its much of a difference also medics took there sweet time showing up in the vid, hell more cops showed up in fact this more reminds me of the freecops of arogonath Shoot first let the rping man die on the side of the road and have your buddies in blue showup and brag about your good dm*cough* shooting skills.
Knowing their character a dobermann and rottweiler would not need to be shot in such a situation. While they can be vicious, they are also able to be controlled when approached with the right authority.No, they were not protecting the property, they were protecting their owner who had been hitted by a car while was playing with them.
A pit bull in attack mode has no way to switch off other than a very authoritative owner.
The difference in the case you witnessed was that the dogs were protecting the property, not the person.
The breed of dog does matter a lot more as the size. The issue is how controllable a dog is when stressed, and how easy it is to stop an attack. The problem with a pit bull is not that they are in any way a bad breed, but that they as good as impossible to take out of attack mode. That is in their genes, and you can not blame the dog for this as it is the result of human selection. In a way they are like bees.
Can be useful and are much more peaceful as their reputation. However once they attack, they go to the end.
Breed should not be the reason, thats like saying Muslims are all terrorists because of 9/11 and such should be treated as, Also im not biologist but pit bulls have a lockjaw effect, unlike other breeds of dogs that can attack and just maul and shred people to bits, Also correct me if im wrong but werent they also bread to attack the legs of bulls witch unlike most police attack dogs that would kill a person in a very short time if they had no command to stop, and even small dogs can be vicious. As an example the Japaneses had a very small/medium sized dog even smaller then pitbulls usually that would attack American Marines and due to there small size and quick aglity were almost cretin if not shot form a distance to do much damage to there target. A breed of dog shouldn't be treated like it is, when almost of dogs can easily be fatal even without extreme situations.The difference is, als I already states, how controllable a dog is. Pit bulls were indeed bred to attack bulls, and as a result highly resistant to pain during an attack.
2.) A police baton is not going to do shit against a dog, you people really should not comment on police work when you have never experienced anything close to this sort of thing in real life.Because only policemen have gun experience, right.
They could've atleast kill it properly instead of watching the dog suffering a slow and painful death..Actually, the dog is alive and kept in care.
Because only policemen have gun experience, right.It's not only about gun experience, but also knowing how to deal with the dog.
It's not only about gun experience, but also knowing how to deal with the dog.I was not talking about that, but how Moose claims that you can only have experience with weaponry from police work.
Try to stop a charging pitbull with nothing but a police baton, then see if you can avoid injuries to yourself (and others who might be nearby).
The dog could have been dealt with had there been more time (i.e. distractions, calling animal control), but time was not a luxury as there was someone's life at stake, the unconscious man on the sidewalk.
I was not talking about that, but how Moose claims that you can only have experience with weaponry from police work.Misunderstood your post, my bad.
Misunderstood your post, my bad.It doesn't have to be a job position.
Although I am curious, what job class (other than police) can put people in a position where they have to deal with a pit bull using guns / batons?
They could've atleast kill it properly instead of watching the dog suffering a slow and painful death..The dog was shot in the head...
Surely a seizure isnt enough to directly kill someone before animal control could arrive, I would have risked a bite instead of shooting it though.So Amy Winehouse is not dead? :wow:
Not even to mention the portuguese's police forces aren't so well trained like in the other countries, nor it happened in a big city where animal control must exist. In other hand, what happened near my grandma's house was in the middle of the nowhere (you move around and all you see his bushes and trees).Well, the portuguese force is actualy more trained then you think, they are trained to use force (not guns but body force) to take down suspects so they would deal with a dog attack quit nicely but still if something appened like in this video i am sure they are allowed to withraw their gun and arm the dog but this officer was probably trained to draw is weapon when someone's life is at danger, and since a pit bull is a very agressive and vicious dog the cop had no other option then shotting the dog to safe his live.
So Amy Winehouse is not dead? :wow:Seizures, both directly and indirectly, can kill you, yes.
According to wikipedia, 8-17% of people with epilepsy die while having a seizure. I would rather shoot a dog than play russian roulette..
still I hope that cop at least get sued and has to pay hefty fines, because trigger happy cops are a threat to everyone.It's disappointing that you feel that way.
Surely a seizure isnt enough to directly kill someone before animal control could arrive, I would have risked a bite instead of shooting it though.Sure, they could have sat there waiting for animal control or whatever, but to me it looked like they didn't have a lot of time to react and get people a safe distance away from the situation, and the dog was already attacking people. As for risking a "bite", its easy to say that you would do that, and maybe you would have... but you were not the one who actually had to make the choice on the spot. And I'm not an expert on dogs, but by the sounds of it pitbulls can do a lot more than just "bite"...
It's disappointing that you feel that way.
The funny part how people spread they ideas over internet "how cop should have reacted" . While if you put anyone out of this crowd not able shoot the dog on charge,would lose an arm or even worse,dog might went totally out of control and cause chaos,damage multiple people in nearby.Exactly.
You can't hit an pit bull and hope he won't f**k you up afterwards,this is not "in my view point it works'' scenario over internet about idea,it's about protecting owners life,police life,and people around.
I definitely care about animals,and I'm glad dog is being taken care of and is not dead,however you have to do what you got to do,and can you hold the pressure and press the trigger for good only can answer an officer being in certain situation,not people over internet and they cool story's about comparing an non related example .
So Amy Winehouse is not dead? :wow:I'm not a doctor so I wouldn't know much on seizures, I just assumed it wouldn't have killed the man and I guess I was wrong. :razz:
According to wikipedia, 8-17% of people with epilepsy die while having a seizure. I would rather shoot a dog than play russian roulette..
If the officer hadn't shot it, there could of been a repeat of this:Wow, is this a pitbul? If so this is why they are banned from the UK, not long ago there was a story in the Echo about a gran who owned a pitbal, had her grandchild stay over and the pit ripped him to peices and killed him, the cops had to use something like an MP5 to kill it.
Dog attacks police officers in east London (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foiPiFWM2IA#)
I'm not a doctor so I wouldn't know much on seizures, I just assumed it wouldn't have killed the man and I guess I was wrong. :razz:Even if it still is alive I doubt it will be able to function normally.
And JDC said the dog is alive? Is that true? If so I'm happy that the dog is alive and can go back to it's owner, after all it was only trying to protect him.
Even if it still is alive I doubt it will be able to function normally.My guess is it's blind in one eye if it is still alive, it appears the cop shot him on the right side of his head as you can see in the video the pitbul is sticking his head to the right in the air as if it's in pain directly there.. :roll:
A bullet through the head probably corrupted something.
I think not because the officer shot the dog but hearing the cry's coming from the dog after he was shot that made the matter worse and made the buy standers more angry yell at the cop.I'm not sure about American cops but I know British cops (in some forces) wear steel toecap boots, I'm sure 1 kick of them would have been more than enough to hurt then dog and keep it alive instead of shooting it, in this instance, I say f**k the police, or the officer that shot the dog..
But then again people would find any reason to yell theses words "f**k THE POLICE!!" :neutral:
Well Hess, allow me explain in more details what I meant. Here in the US anyone can be sued and held accountable for there actions, so if the guy who was having a seizure deiced to sue the officer personally and not the NYPD or City of New York, Then hes most likely going to win and that's how justice works in the county, even doing the right thing or sometimes the wrong thing can be spun into your favor. Even if its police protocol, or just the right thing and hell if the man went to a group like PETA, hell he'd have a free lawyer willing to sue that officer so much that he'd be sued into bankruptcy and his family would be in financial trouble for years, that's why on my first post I was undecided on who I felt sorry for more.That is actually not true. Yes, the man can sue the officer in civil court, but if he is proved to have done things according to Department protocol, then no, the man would not win the case. The officer would. Same goes for any criminal court hearings and investigations...including that of the one of the shooting.
That is actually not true. Yes, the man can sue the officer in civil court, but if he is proved to have done things according to Department protocol, then no, the man would not win the case. The officer would. Same goes for any criminal court hearings and investigations...including that of the one of the shooting.Then at that point the man could sue the department pending on the animal cruelty laws of the state and then a case like that would most likely go to the States Supreme courts to be deiced on. In America you can keep a case going on for a long time so long as there is merit in the case all the way up to the National Supreme court. Dont believe me Sugar look how a man like OJ Simpson can get off a murder charge even with evidence against him that proves otherwise. Many people dont understand the laws as lawmakers themselves don't either care to read all the fine print or are being back by lobbyist who benefit from said laws, and dont question the laws quite sad actually.
Then at that point the man could sue the department pending on the animal cruelty laws of the state and then a case like that would most likely go to the States Supreme courts to be deiced on. In America you can keep a case going on for a long time so long as there is merit in the case all the way up to the National Supreme court. Dont believe me Sugar look how a man like OJ Simpson can get off a murder charge even with evidence against him that proves otherwise. Many people dont understand the laws as lawmakers themselves don't either care to read all the fine print or are being back by lobbyist who benefit from said laws, and dont question the laws quite sad actually.I think you have misunderstood the American justice system. OJ Simpson got off on technicalities and loopholes, likely pushed through via other corrupt and/or sneaky methods. That has nothing to do with this incident.
I'm not sure about American cops but I know British cops (in some forces) wear steel toecap boots, I'm sure 1 kick of them would have been more than enough to hurt then dog and keep it alive instead of shooting it, in this instance, I say f**k the police, or the officer that shot the dog..I think kicking a dog to death is worse as shooting it. But hey, you are the animal lover...
I think kicking a dog to death is worse as shooting it. But hey, you are the animal lover...
I'm not sure about American cops but I know British cops (in some forces) wear steel toecap boots, I'm sure 1 kick of them would have been more than enough to hurt then dog and keep it alive instead of shooting it, in this instance, I say f**k the police, or the officer that shot the dog..Yes f**k the police and f**k that officer for signing up and risking his life to even become an officer, and f**k him to responding to a desperate situation and not allowing an uncontrolled defensive pitbull scare, threaten, and eventually attack/assault/bite innocent people or himself, and I think f**k him for being human and making such a decision in a crowded area under a lot of stress.
Nobody loves dogs more than me, but I would have hacked minigun and 9999 bullets, using them all on this dog.
I think kicking a dog to death is worse as shooting it. But hey, you are the animal lover...My house has lots of pets, 17 chickens, 2 dogs, fish, birds, rabbits, I might aswell count my 4 sisters and 1 brother as animals too with the mess they make.. :roll:
The threat was neutralized. That's the most important thing in a situation like that, not whether or not it's suffering.
My house has lots of pets, 17 chickens, 2 dogs, fish, birds, rabbits, I might aswell count my 4 sisters and 1 brother as animals too with the mess they make.. :roll:A pit bull is certainly not an agressive dog. In fact most people who see one will not even understant its reputation. What sets a pit bull apart from other dogs and earned its reputation is that they do not have the possibility to reconsider their attack. If they attack, which is only if they are either trained badly or, as in this case, feel they have to protect the only way to stop the attack is to fully incapacitate the dog.
Anyway I don't mean kick the dog to death, what I meant is kick it atleast to make it stop being agressive and maybe show it not to f**k with humans without shooting it's eye out..
Sure Pitbulls are the most aggressive dog on the planet (One that can be tamed as a pet anyway, unlike wild dogs..), but if they were going to shoot it, atleast shoot it more to put it out of it's misery faster instead of leaving it roll round on the floor crying in pain.
I'm not sure about American cops but I know British cops (in some forces) wear steel toecap boots, I'm sure 1 kick of them would have been more than enough to hurt then dog and keep it alive instead of shooting it, in this instance, I say f**k the police, or the officer that shot the dog..I don't think anyone would dare kick that dog. It would make it more angry and would not stop the threat. British cops would probably just get in there cars and drive off, leave it to the animal authorities.
Sure Pitbulls are the most aggressive dog on the planet (One that can be tamed as a pet anyway, unlike wild dogs..), but if they were going to shoot it, atleast shoot it more to put it out of it's misery faster instead of leaving it roll round on the floor crying in pain.If the officer shot the dog repeatedly or ensured it was dead, it would not have been given the chance to live as it is now.
The fourth option is what the officer carried out. While the pitbull's suffering might look unacceptable to some, it was protected from greater suffering (broken bones and internal organs) and given the chance to live.But has it?
But has it?If it wasn't killed, then yes.
But has it?
The dog is currently alive and under care, and can go back to its owner soon.What condition would it be in after being shot in the head?
What condition would it be in after being shot in the head?Well keep in mind that officers are trained to shoot to kill if they must open fire. Using their firearm is supposed to be a last resort, and if used, supposed to be effective at just that.
After reading some of these comments I guess the cop did do right, but I'de atleast have aimed for a place less lethal than it's head like it's rear end or legs.. :redface:
The dog is currently alive and under care, and can go back to its owner soon.Then the officer did the right thing. A good outcome.
What condition would it be in after being shot in the head?
After reading some of these comments I guess the cop did do right, but I'de atleast have aimed for a place less lethal than it's head like it's rear end or legs.. :redface:
With an angry dog charging towards you at high speed and very little time to react, the place of aim is not exactly a choice.I've seen lots of 3 legged dogs IRL, they live the rest of their lives just fine.. :roll:
Also, not so sure if the leg is such a good place as you would have a dog that would have to walk for the rest of its life on 3 legs.
The cop did the right thing, cut the bullshit over here.
I've seen lots of 3 legged dogs IRL, they live the rest of their lives just fine.. :roll:
Better for a dog though to live their life with a scar on the head than with three legs.But what if the bullet it got in it's head caused it brain damage not just a scar...? :trust:
You can go on with the 'what ifs' all day long. The fact is that the cop caused minimal damage to the animal whilst stopping it from being a threat.