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Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => World and local news => Topic started by: SugarD on January 01, 2013, 07:10:23 am
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SACRAMENTO (CBS13) – New Year’s Eve celebrations were abruptly interrupted by a wild scene in Old Sacramento on Monday night after four people were shot, including at least one person who has died.
The shooting occurred in the the 1000 block of 2nd Street near Fanny Ann’s Saloon, which is at 1023 2nd Street, police said.
The extent of the injuries for those shot wasn’t immediately available.
Families with young children had gathered in Old Sac for a 9 p.m. fireworks show shortly before the shots rang out.
Check back at CBSSacramento.com for updated information.
Source: http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2012/12/31/4-shot-during-new-years-eve-gathering-in-old-sacramento/ (http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2012/12/31/4-shot-during-new-years-eve-gathering-in-old-sacramento/)
Watching the news live as we speak. Apparently 4 people shot, 1 killed, and it is unclear of whether the suspect is on the loose or not. This is about 10 minutes away from me, and it happened in the "Fanny Ann's Saloon" bar. I was actually in that bar just one month ago prior to this happening tonight.
For those confused by the location, Old Town Sacramento is the founding district of Sacramento, California that is just outside of Downtown Sacramento, (in the United States). It is kept in it's basic, original form as the buildings and location are nationally recognized as a historic location.
Over 40,000 people were expected to be in Old Town Sacramento tonight for the New Year's Eve fireworks show. It is amazing no one else has been shot yet. Currently an "army" of Sacramento Police Officers and Sacramento County Sheriff's Deputies are on-scene. Sacramento City Fire and the Sacramento Metropolitan Fire District are also providing medical assistance alongside the American Medical Response medics.
Details are still emerging. I'll update this if I find out more.
Edit: Now it is 5 people shot, 1 killed.
Edit #2: Now it is 5 people shot, 2 killed.
Edit #3: The gun used was reported stolen as of 2010: http://blogs.sacbee.com/crime/archives/2013/01/gun-in-old-sac-shooting-reported-stolen-in-2010.html (http://blogs.sacbee.com/crime/archives/2013/01/gun-in-old-sac-shooting-reported-stolen-in-2010.html)
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Grrrrr
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wtf, Only one way to go for this : Ban guns and ask people to surrender the guns they own.
For those who gonna say banning guns isn't a solution , oh well, What are you gonna do with a 2.5MM when there will be a guy shooting at you with a AK-47 at minigun speed?
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wtf, Only one way to go for this : Ban guns and ask people to surrender the guns they own.
For those who gonna say banning guns isn't a solution , oh well, What are you gonna do with a 2.5MM when there will be a guy shooting at you with a AK-47 at minigun speed?
Automatic and semi-automatic rifles are banned in the state. They are not legally obtainable. California has the strictest gun laws in the country. You have to be at least 21 just to purchase a handgun in the state.
I'm actually saving up to buy myself a Sig Sauer P229 so I can get a CCW and protect myself. This is getting out of control. The world is spiraling downward, and is only going to get worse. I don't see a reason to not be self-carrying at this point if you're trained properly.
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Sugar's fb message gave me an idea.
I take back my previous post, and say, All guns other than manual revolvers or pistols should be banned. I doubt anyone can use those two for mass killings.
However, I still stick with my idea of rubber bullets, world would be a peaceful place then if there are only rubber bullets.
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Sugar's fb message gave me an idea.
I take back my previous post, and say, All guns other than manual revolvers or pistols should be banned. I doubt anyone can use those two for mass killings.
However, I still stick with my idea of rubber bullets, world would be a peaceful place then if there are only rubber bullets.
Most weapons aside from handguns are banned here, with very few exceptions. Large-capacity magazines are also banned.
I do agree on the rubber bullets, though...
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Most weapons aside from handguns are banned here, with very few exceptions. Large-capacity magazines are also banned.
I do agree on the rubber bullets, though...
I can remember watching that robbery where 2 robbers used 2 damn'd AK-47's with High Capacity Magazines, Metal coated bullets and armour and tried to rob a bank....
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I can remember watching that robbery where 2 robbers used 2 damn'd AK-47's with High Capacity Magazines, Metal coated bullets and armour and tried to rob a bank....
Those were illegally obtained. That bank robbery incident is actually why officers carry shotguns and tactical rifles (assault rifles) in their cars, now, throughout the country.
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Most weapons aside from handguns are banned here, with very few exceptions. Large-capacity magazines are also banned.
I do agree on the rubber bullets, though...
I'm talking about entire USA not just Cali.
About rubber bullets, it should be implied in all the countries. Since the bullets make the same impact, without killing the person.
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California has the strictest gun laws in the country. You have to be at least 21 just to purchase a handgun in the state.
Whoopie, you have to be atleast 21... Correct me if I'm wrong, havent all the mass shootings in the USA this year been by people over the age of 21, and you can't own semi/automatic rifles? Oh right because hand guns and shotguns can't inflict the same amount of damage.. The USA's gun laws are a joke, and so are all the people who believe they need more guns or any guns at all.
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If they continue to allow guns things like this will continue to happen. And they seem to be happening far too often at the moment.
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Bellicist culture plus fanatical liberalism is a deadly combination...
(And no SugarD I don't want to start a political argument beyond the gun-related legislation and the State's role on all of this)
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It's just the same thing with hurricanes.. you can't keep moaning about houses being smashed every time there is a hurricane if you keep building prefabricated houses..
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It's just the same thing with hurricanes.. you can't keep moaning about houses being smashed every time there is a hurricane if you keep building prefabricated houses..
:lol: Very true man, when will they learn to build brick house with slate rooves, that way the only thing that will break is the rooves.
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Having to be 21 years old, isn't strict.
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My idea is basically to replace the standard rifles with Nerf guns. That should make it fun for all of them, even those on the recieving end.
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What should be adressed is not the guns even if I am against the carying laws in the US.
The real problem is the education and upbringing of the chilrdren. Just look around here and see how easy people swear and develop hate for others they never met based on some pixels on the screen.
Instead of a culture based on hate and violence, people should be taught respect for each other and realise that violence is never an acceptable solution.
Stop the pollution of language and go back to learning to write and read as it is supposed to be. Stop allowing the hate speech and swearing on each other for actually no reason at all. Teach about the effects of injuries so people do not think so lightly about things.
This will bring much more effect as a ban or full allowance of weapons.
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What should be adressed is not the guns even if I am against the carying laws in the US.
The real problem is the education and upbringing of the chilrdren. Just look around here and see how easy people swear and develop hate for others they never met based on some pixels on the screen.
Instead of a culture based on hate and violence, people should be taught respect for each other and realise that violence is never an acceptable solution.
Stop the pollution of language and go back to learning to write and read as it is supposed to be. Stop allowing the hate speech and swearing on each other for actually no reason at all. Teach about the effects of injuries so people do not think so lightly about things.
This will bring much more effect as a ban or full allowance of weapons.
Well said.
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Aren't some guns banned in the US from 2013?
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What should be adressed is not the guns even if I am against the carying laws in the US.
The real problem is the education and upbringing of the chilrdren. Just look around here and see how easy people swear and develop hate for others they never met based on some pixels on the screen.
Instead of a culture based on hate and violence, people should be taught respect for each other and realise that violence is never an acceptable solution.
Stop the pollution of language and go back to learning to write and read as it is supposed to be. Stop allowing the hate speech and swearing on each other for actually no reason at all. Teach about the effects of injuries so people do not think so lightly about things.
This will bring much more effect as a ban or full allowance of weapons.
That is very true actually.
Well said.
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Maybe time to ban americans on Argonath RPG and grant them admin positions on Paruni TDM, since they're so good with guns. :roll:
On another note, I agree with Gandalf, I couldn't think of it cause I thought American education was the best in the world till date.
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I thought American education was the best in the world till date.
You're being sarcastic, right?
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Bellicist culture plus fanatical liberalism is a deadly combination...
(And no SugarD I don't want to start a political argument beyond the gun-related legislation and the State's role on all of this)
Then don't bring up politics in your replies. Political systems have nothing to do with someone being stupid and shooting people. Anyone is capable of that regardless of their views.
What should be adressed is not the guns even if I am against the carying laws in the US.
The real problem is the education and upbringing of the chilrdren. Just look around here and see how easy people swear and develop hate for others they never met based on some pixels on the screen.
Instead of a culture based on hate and violence, people should be taught respect for each other and realise that violence is never an acceptable solution.
Stop the pollution of language and go back to learning to write and read as it is supposed to be. Stop allowing the hate speech and swearing on each other for actually no reason at all. Teach about the effects of injuries so people do not think so lightly about things.
This will bring much more effect as a ban or full allowance of weapons.
I couldn't agree more. This is a worldwide problem and not just a national one, albeit it is more of an issue in the United States. The human race is becoming quite a sick one. We make movies about how aliens see us as inferior, self-mutilating wastes of life that destroy ourselves and our planet, and we even talk about it daily in the news...yet we do so very little to change our ways and stop our own destruction and violence. Someone needs to break the cycle of stupidity and teach the generations to come to not become more ignorant than our own...
Little do half the people realize in this conversation that this is the first mass-shooting to happen in California in years. The very few that do happen are most often illegally-obtained guns. Don't tell me that the U.S. laws on guns should be stricter when California's laws are stricter than any other state in the country, and even many countries around the world. 95% of the shootings that occur in this state are from illegally-obtained guns. You can't exactly ban those...
As for the incident, it happened in a bar, where yes, even CCW holders are prohibited from bringing their guns.
Here is an update on the situation:
http://blogs.sacbee.com/crime/archives/2013/01/suspect-arrested-in-old-sacramento-shooting-that-leaves-two-dead.html (http://blogs.sacbee.com/crime/archives/2013/01/suspect-arrested-in-old-sacramento-shooting-that-leaves-two-dead.html)
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Then don't bring up politics in your replies. Political systems have nothing to do with someone being stupid and shooting people. Anyone is capable of that regardless of their views.
No, I'm sorry because let me tell you: there's a direct causal link between violent culture and increased aggression and violence in adults and teenagers, so it flies in the face of all the culture and all the politics. Bellicist culture infact may get adolescents and teens more aggressive. You're saying that those mass shootings are ''people being stupid'', but that, that ain't the whole deal.
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It's just the same thing with hurricanes.. you can't keep moaning about houses being smashed every time there is a hurricane if you keep building prefabricated houses..
A hurricane is a natural response of Planet Earth, a mass shooting isnt as its caused by a human itself.
You can prevent a human from doing such a thing, but you cant prevent the earth.
Only solution is banning semi automatics, which is not gonna happen as its america.
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It's too late to ban guns. They are already swarmed all over the country. Airsoft weapons can be easily converted to lethal ones by an expert so that won't stop it at all. What needs to be done is to educate people about weapons which will take over 50 years. Though you can't totally blame the American people as the past governments wars against Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and elsewhere have altered the mind of the people, thus the current generation aswell.
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Ohh god, this aint good.What the hell are Americans thinking? Anyone remember finnish school shootings too?
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Though you can't totally blame the American people as the past governments wars against Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and elsewhere have altered the mind of the people, thus the current generation aswell.
Oh right, so the UK should have guns everywhere because of the Falklands, Iran and Afghanistan and every other war we've had? That's what your logic suggests..
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A hurricane is a natural response of Planet Earth, a mass shooting isnt as its caused by a human itself.
You can prevent a human from doing such a thing, but you cant prevent the earth.
Only solution is banning semi automatics, which is not gonna happen as its america.
You're right. The example didn't suit perfectly but if you get the meaning..
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I can remember watching that robbery where 2 robbers used 2 damn'd AK-47's with High Capacity Magazines, Metal coated bullets and armour and tried to rob a bank....
It was either one of them worked in the Army, or have someone working there, supplying them to body Armour, mags, ak's, etc.
I know exactly what you're talking about, there is a hour-long documentary about it, forgot the name though.
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No, I'm sorry because let me tell you: there's a direct causal link between violent culture and increased aggression and violence in adults and teenagers, so it flies in the face of all the culture and all the politics. Bellicist culture infact may get adolescents and teens more aggressive. You're saying that those mass shootings are ''people being stupid'', but that, that ain't the whole deal.
More than half of those mass-shootings were sparked by mentally-ill people who have nearly no understanding of the country's political structure, so that argument is completely null.
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More than half of those mass-shootings were sparked by mentally-ill people who have nearly no understanding of the country's political structure, so that argument is completely null.
First you agreed with the idea that violent culture is the problem, now you are saying they were mentally ill? And yes you have a degree of politics (or ideology, whatever you want to call it) involved, as in a country where liberalism is probably the thing people are most proud of, you end up getting yourself a problem above an already existing problem...
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First you agreed with the idea that violent culture is the problem, now you are saying they were mentally ill? And yes you have a degree of politics (or ideology, whatever you want to call it) involved, as in a country where liberalism is probably the thing people are most proud of, you end up getting yourself a problem above an already existing problem...
Culture =/= politics. The two may have influence on one another, but they do not directly control each other.
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Just putting this up here. Science on gun violence.
Science and Gun Violence (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFfWYYCfCZI#ws)
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More than half of those mass-shootings were sparked by mentally-ill people who have nearly no understanding of the country's political structure, so that argument is completely null.
How did they get the weapons in first place then?
I don't think being mentally-ill means hanging around with automatic rifles.
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How did they get the weapons in first place then?
I don't think being mentally-ill means hanging around with automatic rifles.
Illegally. Mentally-ill people aren't supposed to have access to them.
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Illegally. Mentally-ill people aren't supposed to have access to them.
You still can't deny the system let him get them easily.
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You still can't deny the system let him get them easily.
"The system" didn't give anyone illegal weapons. They illegally obtained them.
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"The system" didn't give anyone illegal weapons. They illegally obtained them.
They spawned them. Right.
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They spawned them. Right.
You've never heard of a black market, have you?
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You're being sarcastic, right?
Not really, look at it, Harvard, Stanford. All are there!
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You've never heard of a black market, have you?
Ever heard about legal weapons being sold illegally?
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It's too late to ban guns. They are already swarmed all over the country. Airsoft weapons can be easily converted to lethal ones by an expert so that won't stop it at all. What needs to be done is to educate people about weapons which will take over 50 years. Though you can't totally blame the American people as the past governments wars against Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and elsewhere have altered the mind of the people, thus the current generation aswell.
According to this post, America can barely last 3 more years ^
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Ever heard about legal weapons being sold illegally?
Not in California, considering they thrive on restricting them. Either way, that still makes them illegal.
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Not in California, considering they thrive on restricting them. Either way, that still makes them illegal.
They were legal before though..
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They were legal before though..
Not in California.
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Not in California.
What I am trying to say is that many legal weapons become illegal. They never stole a legal weapon in California? They never bought them legally and maybe sold them to who couldn't get the legally in California? The legal market also contributes to the illegal one.
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What I am trying to say is that many legal weapons become illegal. They never stole a legal weapon in California? They never bought them legally and maybe sold them to who couldn't get the legally in California? The legal market also contributes to the illegal one.
That is still called a black market...
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That is still called a black market...
From legal one indeed.. get the link?
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From legal one indeed.. get the link?
The black market is distinct from the grey market, in which commodities are distributed through channels which, while legal, are unofficial, unauthorized, or unintended by the original manufacturer, and the white market, the legal market for goods and services.
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Meh, I give up. Talking with you is not possible.
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I couldn't think of it cause I thought American education was the best in the world till date.
A few wackos shooting doesn't mean it isn't. While secondary education in the US isn't up to par with European standards, American colleges/universities are superior in my opinion. Possibly because the drinking age is 21 in the US.
As for the shooting, this is just drama. This wasn't a mass shooting, it was simply a bar conflict in which a bouncer and a man that conflicted with the shooter got killed. I blame gun control laws, nothing else. If people carry guns to bars for "self protection", then get drunk and start shooting people, only gun control laws can help.
According to the FBI, mass murder is defined as four or more murders occurring during a particular event with no cooling-off period between the murders.
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I think what Batta's trying to say is that the black market helped the legal one. :poke:
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Meh, I give up. Talking with you is not possible.
Then don't reply saying it. Just leave the topic be.
If people carry guns to bars for "self protection", then get drunk and start shooting people, only gun control laws can help.
California law actually disallows CCW and open-carry gun owners from carrying guns in bars, or at all while consuming alcohol. This guy was just breaking that law before he even entered the bar, regardless of whether his gun was legal or not. It's quite sad that people just don't use common sense these days with weapons. It's not a hard thing to understand, even for those who may be mentally-challenged in most cases. I'm going to be pissed if we have to start putting in metal detectors at every bar and restaurant that serves alcohol just to prevent stupid things like this from happening again.
I think what Batta's trying to say is that the black market helped the legal one. :poke:
I know that. What he's not understanding is that he is describing exactly what a black market is. Black markets are not legal at all, hence the weapons are still illegal to be purchased by anyone that way. :P
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Oh right, so the UK should have guns everywhere because of the Falklands, Iran and Afghanistan and every other war we've had? That's what your logic suggests..
Don't even compare Falklands to Korea, Vietnam and Iraq, that was a power show off not a war, rather a conflict. Every other war you've been dragged to by Americans against the will of your people. UK used to be flooded with weapons sponsored by Gaddafi himself in case you're not aware.
To add, UK doesn't have laws like US and that's why it's not flooded with guns. UK doesn't promote 'war' as US does. Plus the crime rate is not the same as in US
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Mass shootings like this negitively affects people like me. People that own mulitple guns that love to shoot them for recreational use only, and even personal defence if God forbid we have to. I own several guns ranging from Glocks to AR-15s and an AK-47, but that doesn't mean that I'm gonna take them and shoot up a gathering of people!
All I have to say is this:
No matter how many anti-gun laws you put into place, YOU CAN NEVER STOP THE CRAZIES.
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Don't even compare Falklands to Korea, Vietnam and Iraq, that was a power show off not a war, rather a conflict. Every other war you've been dragged to by Americans against the will of your people. UK used to be flooded with weapons sponsored by Gaddafi himself in case you're not aware.
To add, UK doesn't have laws like US and that's why it's not flooded with guns. UK doesn't promote 'war' as US does. Plus the crime rate is not the same as in US
The U.S. does not promote war. Contrary to popular belief, most of the citizens actually want the soldiers to come home. You can also not compare crime rates because the UK has different forms of crime which are not reported, just as the U.S. does. The true statistics could go either way because the real numbers are actually unknown, so it's not a fair comparison for either country.
No matter how many anti-gun laws you put into place, YOU CAN NEVER STOP THE CRAZIES.
Exactly. Even if you take away the guns, they'll just find a new weapon. If absolutely no one has guns, then the playing field just drops back down to something a bit worse or less-lethal. Everyone is still imbalanced in protecting themselves then, and there's still the likely chance that illegal guns would make their way back into play.
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No matter how many anti-gun laws you put into place, YOU CAN NEVER STOP THE CRAZIES.
That's still a way to obstruct them.
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That's still a way to obstruct them.
So are the current laws. They will still find ways around it...especially if they aren't diagnosed beforehand.
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So are the current laws. They will still find ways around it...especially if they aren't diagnosed beforehand.
Obviously the current laws arnt if theres still mass shootings going on, just do like every other civilized countrys do and get rid of guns.
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Obviously the current laws arnt if theres still mass shootings going on, just do like every other civilized countrys do and get rid of guns.
As I've said countless times before, the laws vary from state to state.
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As I've said countless times before, the laws vary from state to state.
The laws vary but every state allows guns. :poke:
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As Chuck Woolery said..
''To blame assault weapons for these kind of tragedies is like blaming planes for 9/11''
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The laws vary but every state allows guns. :poke:
Name one place in the world which doesn't allow guns at all that has successful control over them. As I said before, California is the strictest state in the country on them.
As Chuck Woolery said..
''To blame assault weapons for these kind of tragedies is like blaming planes for 9/11''
Well said.
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Name one place in the world which doesn't allow guns at all that has successful control over them. As I said before, California is the strictest state in the country on them.
Vatican city State.
Btw Gimli, I'd say primary and secondary education is best in countries like China and India, since they put so much burden on you that either you become the biggest geek in the world, or kill yourself. Result - Geekest people around.
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Vatican city State.
The first attempted assassination of Pope John Paul II took place on Wednesday, 13 May 1981, in St. Peter's Square at Vatican City. The Pope was shot and critically wounded by Mehmet Ali AÄŸca while he was entering the square. The Pope was struck four times, and suffered severe blood loss.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_John_Paul_II_assassination_attempt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_John_Paul_II_assassination_attempt)
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1981 bro, 1981
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As Chuck Woolery said..
''To blame assault weapons for these kind of tragedies is like blaming planes for 9/11''
No, the derped security, terrorists and Americans homeland security was to blame.
And America's government is to blame for allowing weapons to be owned by anyone of the age.
Guns, crazy assholes and the government is to blame for mass shootings, but it just looks like theres no points arguing because some American will come along and 'prove' that guns arnt the problem. Face your problems, don't deny them.
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1981 bro, 1981
And a date means anything how? The shooting that happened in Old Town Sacramento was it's first one too. The other mass-shootings were firsts also, and this has happened over a period of time. You can't use time as an argument if these shootings are so spread out, and still being compared to one another towards gun violence in the United States.
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I totally don't understand why Americans fail to understand how dangerous firearms can be. So many shootings, yet they say firearms shouldn't be controlled.
For those saying firearms should be allowed for own safety :
Its like your neighbour got nuked and then you screaming ''Z0MG I'M GONNA KEEP A PORTABLE NUKE IN MY HOUSE FROM NOW ON JUST IN CASE THE OTHER COLONY NUKES ME''
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I totally don't understand why Americans fail to understand how dangerous firearms can be. So many shootings, yet they say firearms shouldn't be controlled.
For those saying firearms should be allowed for own safety :
Its like your neighbour got nuked and then you screaming ''Z0MG I'M GONNA KEEP A PORTABLE NUKE IN MY HOUSE FROM NOW ON JUST IN CASE THE OTHER COLONY NUKES ME''
We understand just fine. It's others that don't understand that they can be useful, too, in a bad world.
Think of it this way: You're a cop on patrol in a city full of criminals armed with illegal guns. You don't carry a gun, because it's against the law for anyone to carry them, even police. I think you can see where this leads...
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bad world.
Bush would be proud of you.
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Bush would be proud of you.
Bush went looking for non-existent weapons in a third-world country through an illegal war. His relevance to this conversation is zip.
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We understand just fine. It's others that don't understand that they can be useful, too, in a bad world.
Think of it this way: You're a cop on patrol in a city full of criminals armed with illegal guns. You don't carry a gun, because it's against the law for anyone to carry them, even police. I think you can see where this leads...
Who said don't allow even cops to carry guns?
And where does so many illegal guns come from? I'm pretty sure criminals don't buy them off ebay.
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Name one place in the world which doesn't allow guns at all that has successful control over them. As I said before, California is the strictest state in the country on
The UK.
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Who said don't allow even cops to carry guns?
And where does so many illegal guns come from? I'm pretty sure criminals don't buy them off ebay.
If you remove guns altogether, you have to take them away from cops too. If you make it so only cops have guns, what happens if a police state comes into play? Many countries have done this, and subsequently it has led to many mass-genocides. Don't get me wrong, I trust most American officers with their weapons...but we don't know what the future can hold either. Especially with the way the world is going down the toilet so rapidly.
As for illegal weapons, gangs, mafias, and illegal black markets do still exist, even today. Weapons can be brought in from both out-of-state, and overseas. You would be surprised how easy it is to bypass U.S. Customs and other agencies with high-priced bribes to certain individuals who care more about cash than their job.
The UK.
They have officers with assault rifles. For those that don't, we saw what happened during the riots.
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They have officers with assault rifles. For those that don't, we saw what happened during the riots.
What?... What about the London Riots? They were controlled within a few days, thats good IMO.
The London riots were an unexpected out burst of stoned teenagers who claimed to be rioting over the lack of jobs (haha they lie) and over some black guy who British armed response shot dead in the street (can't disagree with the officers), why bring the London riots into it when they have near to nothing to do with guns?
Only highly trained British cops have guns, when you see a British cop with a gun he will be carrying a machine gun, not just a hand gun, the only reason they also have guns is because of terrorism as in bombs, for example they shot an innocent man who jumped the barriers at a London tube station then ran towards a departing train, they shot him because he didn't stop when they called him, and also because he was carrying a briefcase which could have had anything inside.
The UK has very very strict gun laws, give me one RECENT example of a mass shooting in the UK, because honestly, you will not find one.
Do I need to list every American mass shooting in the US this year?
Heres what happens in the UK when theres mass shootings, and there hasnt been one in years and years, since black and white cameras. ;)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10216955 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10216955)
Those who have guns in the UK, must have them locked up in a case, every so often police will go to the persons house an ensure the gun is still locked up, they will also count the ammunition and quiz the person if the amount has changed, this is what the US should be doing, this is what the UK was not doing before the last mass shooting in the UK which was in 1987. :poke:
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What?... What about the London Riots? They were controlled within a few days, thats good IMO.
The London riots were an unexpected out burst of stoned teenagers who claimed to be rioting over the lack of jobs (haha they lie) and over some black guy who British armed response shot dead in the street (can't disagree with the officers), why bring the London riots into it when they have near to nothing to do with guns?
Only highly trained British cops have guns, when you see a British cop with a gun he will be carrying a machine gun, not just a hand gun, the only reason they also have guns is because of terrorism as in bombs, for example they shot an innocent man who jumped the barriers at a London tube station then ran towards a departing train, they shot him because he didn't stop when they called him, and also because he was carrying a briefcase which could have had anything inside.
The UK has very very strict gun laws, give me one RECENT example of a mass shooting in the UK, because honestly, you will not find one.
Do I need to list every American mass shooting in the US this year?
Heres what happens in the UK when theres mass shootings, and there hasnt been one in years and years, since black and white cameras. ;)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10216955 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10216955)
Those who have guns in the UK, must have them locked up in a case, every so often police will go to the persons house an ensure the gun is still locked up, they will also count the ammunition and quiz the person if the amount has changed, this is what the US should be doing, this is what the UK was not doing before the last mass shooting in the UK which was in 1987. :poke:
You're completely missing the point. You're saying get rid of all guns altogether, yet you clearly said officers need them to protect people. What happens when the United States tanks further and police forces can't be paid to patrol the streets anymore? Then who will protect the citizens if they can't arm themselves legally? The same thing could happen to the UK if it were to ever run into severe economic issues like that.
In fact, the local Sheriff's Department here in Sacramento County actually changed it's stance from will-not-issue CCW's, to will-issue if given a valid reason, all because they have been cut back so heavily that they can't even patrol the streets anymore. They struggle with just going from 911 call to 911 call, and CHP has been contracted in to handle any/all traffic-related incidents in the County.
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You're completely missing the point. You're saying get rid of all guns altogether, yet you clearly said officers need them to protect people. What happens when the United States tanks further and police forces can't be paid to patrol the streets anymore? Then who will protect the citizens if they can't arm themselves legally? The same thing could happen to the UK if it were to ever run into severe economic issues like that.
I'm not missing the point, I'm saying remove guns from citizens not cops, and you suggest the UK's citizens could be in danger if it can no longer pay the police? The UK has volunteers for everything from homeless charities to RNLI Coastguard and I'de assume there'd be volunteer police if the UK ever 'tanked' into debt and could no longer pay it's rozzers.. :lol:
In fact, the local Sheriff's Department here in Sacramento County actually changed it's stance from will-not-issue CCW's, to will-issue if given a valid reason, all because they have been cut back so heavily that they can't even patrol the streets anymore. They struggle with just going from 911 call to 911 call, and CHP has been contracted in to handle any/all traffic-related incidents in the County.
Then maybe the USA should stop spending all them billions on it's uselessly large military.
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I still think all guns should be replaced with nerf guns. Just sayin'.
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I'm not missing the point, I'm saying remove guns from citizens not cops, and you suggest the UK's citizens could be in danger if it can no longer pay the police? The UK has volunteers for everything from homeless charities to RNLI Coastguard and I'de assume there'd be volunteer police if the UK ever 'tanked' into debt and could no longer pay it's rozzers.. :lol:
Trust me when I say it'll all go away if the country hits a severe economic depression. People volunteer when they can afford to work without earning anything. When they can't support themselves, they stop volunteering too.
Then maybe the USA should stop spending all them billions on it's uselessly large military.
You act as if the citizens have a say in that.
I still think all guns should be replaced with nerf guns. Just sayin'.
As nice as it'd be, I don't see it being possible in today's world. :P
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Trust me when I say it'll all go away if the country hits a severe economic depression. People volunteer when they can afford to work without earning anything. When they can't support themselves, they stop volunteering too.
There will always be volunteers no matter how bad a situation gets, the only to fix a country thats broken is through free labour.
You act as if the citizens have a say in that.
Well I'm not one to talk about the USA's political system as I don't know much about it (apart from the fact that it's more of a play ground than politics IMO), in the UK theres different partys, each supporting different things, the ones who supported the military arnt in power which is why the UK has a small military, if the US had a political system like the UK then you would actually be able to say in some aspects, what gets spent on what.
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There will always be volunteers no matter how bad a situation gets, the only to fix a country thats broken is through free labour.
If it gets bad enough, you won't have Volunteers anymore because everyone will be turning to crime to survive.
Well I'm not one to talk about the USA's political system as I don't know much about it (apart from the fact that it's more of a play ground than politics IMO), in the UK theres different partys, each supporting different things, the ones who supported the military arnt in power which is why the UK has a small military, if the US had a political system like the UK then you would actually be able to say in some aspects, what gets spent on what.
It does. The U.S. political system is based off of the U.K.'s, but with some tweaks to it to better match what the U.S. Constitution defines. The U.S. also has different parties. The problem is that politics in the U.S. have gotten to a ridiculous point where they get corrupted and represent their own personal views influenced by money and greed, and not those of the people themselves. That happened mostly as a result of the U.S. having such a large surplus just prior to the economic downfall.
Either way, not everyone supports war, and whether they do or not, it doesn't affect the gun situation in the country itself.