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Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => World and local news => Topic started by: Y2JFaN on February 08, 2013, 12:54:38 pm
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/los-angeles-cops-chris-dorners-manifesto-speaks/story?id=18434105 (http://abcnews.go.com/US/los-angeles-cops-chris-dorners-manifesto-speaks/story?id=18434105)
So the former LAPD officer is blaming the LAPD for ruining his life and costing him relationships, and is now apparently wanted with a manhunt out for him. He made an online manifesto and in it he spends a lot of the writing blaming the abuse and reckless acts he has witnessed as an LAPD officer by other officers, saying he crossed a 'Blue line.'
Also I think its interesting to note that a truck that was similar looking to the gunman's was shot at without confirmation or even a good idea of who was inside when it was full of innocents which had nothing to do with the man.
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Also I think its interesting to note that a truck that was similar looking to the gunman's was shot at without confirmation or even a good idea of who was inside when it was full of innocents which had nothing to do with the man.
Thats some good policing right there, shoot first, ask questions later.
Of course I'm being sarcastic. :lol:
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I've been watching this one since yesterday when it was first announced. The whole state, (California), is on alert, as is the state next to us, (Nevada).
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This guy serves justice.
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I think he'll go down with a fight. And by that I mean that he will probably want "suicide by cops".
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This guy serves justice.
No he doesn't. He killed his former defense's (veteran LAPD cop) daughter and her fiance. He ambushed two LAPD cops stopped at a red light and murdered an off duty officer.
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This guy serves justice.
Whoever pathetically-secretely abused me with the "Trolling in news topics" warning, I form my judgement on this manifesto
From: Christopher Jordan Dorner /7648
To: America
Subj: Last resort
Regarding CF# 07-004281
I know most of you who personally know me are in disbelief to hear from media reports that I am suspected of committing such horrendous murders and have taken drastic and shocking actions in the last couple of days. You are saying to yourself that this is completely out of character of the man you knew who always wore a smile wherever he was seen. I know I will be vilified by the LAPD and the media. Unfortunately, this is a necessary evil that I do not enjoy but must partake and complete for substantial change to occur within the LAPD and reclaim my name. The department has not changed since the Rampart and Rodney King days. It has gotten worse. The consent decree should never have been lifted. The only thing that has evolved from the consent decree is those officers involved in the Rampart scandal and Rodney King incidents have since promoted to supervisor, commanders, and command staff, and executive positions.
The question is, what would you do to clear your name?
Name;
A word or set of words by which a person, animal, place, or thing is known, addressed, or referred to.
Name Synonyms;
reputation, title, appellation, denomination, repute.
A name is more than just a noun, verb, or adjective. It’s your life, your legacy, your journey, sacrifices, and everything you’ve worked hard for every day of your life as and adolescent, young adult and adult. Don’t let anybody tarnish it when you know you’ve live up to your own set of ethics and personal ethos.
In 8/07 I reported an officer (Ofcr. XXXX/now a Sergeant), for kicking a suspect (excessive force) during a Use of Force while I was assigned as a patrol officer at LAPD’s Harbor Division. While cuffing the suspect, (XXXXX), XXXX kicked the suspect twice in the chest and once in the face. The kick to the face left a visible injury on the left cheek below the eye. Unfortunately after reporting it to supervisors and investigated by PSB (internal affairs investigator Det. XXXX), nothing was done. I had broken their supposed “Blue Lineâ€ÂÂ. Unfortunately, It’s not JUST US, it’s JUSTICE!!! In fact, 10 months later on 6/25/08, after already successfully completing probation, acquiring a basic Post Certificate, and Intermediate Post Certificate, I was relieved of duty by the LAPD while assigned to patrol at Southwest division. It is clear as day that the department retaliated toward me for reporting XXXX for kicking Mr. XXXXX. The department stated that I had lied and made up the report that XXXX had kicked the suspect. I later went to a Board of Rights (department hearing for decision of continued employment) from 10/08 to 1/09. During this BOR hearing a video was played for the BOR panel where XXXXX stated that he was indeed kicked by Officer XXX (video sent to multiple news agencies). In addition to XXXXXX stating he was kicked, his father XXXXX, also stated that his son had stated he was kicked by an officer when he was arrested after being released from custody. This was all presented for the department at the BOR hearing. They still found me guilty and terminated me. What they didn’t mention was that the BOR panel made up of Capt. XXXXX, Capt. XXXXX, and City Attorney XXXX had a significant problem from the time the board was assembled. Capt. XXXXXX was a personal friend of XXXX from when he was her supervisor at Harbor station. That is a clear conflict of interest and I made my argument for his removal early and was denied. The advocate for the LAPD BOR was Sgt. XXXXX. XXXXX also had a conflict of interest as she was XXXX friend and former partner from Harbor division where they both worked patrol together. I made my argument for her removal when I discovered her relation to XXXX and it was denied.
During the BOR, the department attempted to label me unsuccessfully as a bully. They stated that I had bullied a recruit, XXXXX, in the academy when in reality and unfounded disposition from the official 1.28 formal complaint investigation found that I was the one who stood up for XXXX when other recruits sang nazi hitler youth songs about burning Jewish ghettos in WWII Germany where his father was a survivor of a concentration camp. How f**king dare you attempt to label me with such a nasty vile word. I ask that all earnest journalist investigating this story ask Ofcr. XXXX about the incident when Ofcr. XXXX began singing a nazi youth song about burning jewish ghettos.
The internal affairs investigation in the academy involving Schefres was spurned by a complaint that I had initiated toward two fellow recruit/offifcers. While assigned patrol footbeat in Hollywood Division, Officers XXXXX IV and XXXX (both current LAPD officers) decided that they would voice their personal feelings about the black community. While traveling back to the station in a 12 passenger van I heard XXXX refer to another individual as a black. I wasn’t sure if I heard correctly as there were many conversations in the van that was compiled of at least 8 officers and he was sitting in the very rear and me in the very front. Even with the multiple conversations and ambient noise I heard Officer XXXX call an indivdual a black again. Now that I had confirmed it, I told XXXX not to use that word again. I explained that it was a well-known offensive word that should not be used by anyone. He replied, “I’ll say it when I wantâ€ÂÂ. Officer XXXX, a friend of his, also stated that he would say black when he wanted. At that point I jumped over my front passenger seat and two other officers where I placed my hands around XXXXs’ neck and squeezed. I stated to XXXX, “Don’t f**king say thatâ€ÂÂ. At that point there was pushing and shoving and we were separated by several other officers. What I should have done, was put a Winchester Ranger SXT 9mm 147 grain bullet in his skull and Officer Magana’s skull. The Situation would have been resolved effective, immediately. The sad thing about this incident was that when Detective XX from internal affairs investigated this incident only (1) officer (unknown) in the van other than myself had statements constistent with what actually happened. The other six officers all stated they heard nothing and saw nothing. Shame on every one of you. Shame on Detective XX (same ethnicity as XXX) for creating a separate 1.28 formal complaint against me (XXXX complaint) in retaliation for initiating the complaint against XXXXX and XXXX. Don’t retaliate against honest officers for breaking your so-called blue line. I hope your son XXXX, who I knew, is a better officer than you, Detective XX. The saddest part of this ordeal was that Officer XXXX and XXXXX were only given 22 day suspensions and are still LAPD officers to this day. That day, the LAPD stated that it is acceptable for fellow officers to call black officers blacks to their face and you will receive a slap on the wrist. Even sadder is that during that 22 day suspension XXXXX and XXXXX received is that the LAPPL (Los Angeles Police Protective League) paid the officers their salaries while they were suspended. When I took a two-day suspension for an accidental discharge, I took my suspension and never applied for a league salary. Its called integrity.
Journalist, I want you to investigate every location I resided in growing up. Find any incidents where I was ever accused of being a bully. You won’t, because it doesn’t exist. It’s not in my DNA. Never was. I was the only black kid in each of my elementary school classes from first grade to seventh grade in junior high and any instances where I was disciplined for fighting was in response to fellow students provoking common childhood schoolyard fights, or calling me a black or other derogatory racial names. I grew up in neighborhoods where blacks make up less than 1%. My first recollection of racism was in the first grade at Norwalk Christian elementary school in Norwalk, CA. A fellow student, Jim Armstrong if I can recall, called me a black on the playground. My response was swift and non-lethal. I struck him fast and hard with a punch an kick. He cried and reported it to a teacher. The teacher reported it to the principal. The principal swatted Jim for using a derogatory word toward me. He then for some unknown reason swatted me for striking Jim in response to him calling me a black. He stated as good Christians we are to turn the other cheek as Jesus did. Problem is, I’m not a f**king Christian and that old book, made of fiction and limited non-fiction, called the bible, never once stated Jesus was called a black. How dare you swat me for standing up for my rights for demanding that I be treated as an equal human being. That day I made a life decision that i will not tolerate racial derogatory terms spoken to me. Unfortunately I was swatted multiple times for the same exact reason up until junior high. Terminating me for telling the truth of a Caucasian officer kicking a mentally ill man is disgusting. Don’t ever call me a f**king bully. I want all journalist to utilize every source you have that specializes in collections for your reports. With the discovery and evidence available you will see the truth. Unfortunately, I will not be alive to see my name cleared. That’s what this is about, my name. A man is nothing without his name. Below is a list of locations where I resided from childhood to adulthood.
Cerritos, CA.
Pico Rivera, CA.
La Palma, CA.
Thousand Oaks, CA.
Cedar City, UT.
Pensacola, FL.
Enid, OK.
Yorba Linda, CA.
Las Vegas, NV.
During the BOR an officer named, Sgt. XXXX, from Los Angeles Port Police testified on behalf of the LAPD. XXXXX stated for the BOR that he arrived at the location of the UOF shortly before I cuffed the suspect. He also stated that he assisted in cuffing the suspect and that’s old the BOR he told me to fix my tie. All of those statements were LIES!!! XXXX, you arrived at the UOF location up to 30 seconds after I had cuffed Mr.XXXX. All you did was help me lift the suspect to his feet as it was difficult for me to do by myself because of his heavy weight. You did not tell me to fix my tie as the BOR members and everyone else in the room know you lied because the photographic evidence from the UOF scene where XXXX’s injuries were photographed clearly shows me wearing a class B uniform on that day. A class B uniform is a short sleeved uniform blouse. A short sleeved uniform blouse for the LAPD does not have a tie included. This is not Super Troopers uniform, you jackass. Why did you feel the need to embellish and lie about your involvement in the UOF? Are you ashamed that you could not get hired on by any other department other than port police? Do you have delusions of grandeur? What you did was perjury, exactly what Evans did when she stated she did not kick XXXX.
What they failed to mention in the BOR was XXXXX own use of force history during her career on the LAPD. She has admitted that she has a lengthy use of force record and has been flagged several times by risk management. She has a very well known nickname, Chupacabra, which she was very proud to flaunt around the division. She found it very funny and entertaining to draw blood from suspects and arrestees. At one point she even intentionally ripped the flesh off the arm of a woman we had arrested for battery (sprayed her neighbor with a garden water hose). Knowing the woman had thin elastic skin, she performed and Indian burn to the woman’s arm after cuffing her. That woman was in her mid-70’s, a mother and grandmother, and was angry at her tenants who failed to pay rent on time. Something I can completely understand and I am sure many have wanted to do toward tenants who do not pay their rent. XXXX was also demoted from a senior lead officer rank/position for performance issues. During my two months of working patrol with XXXXX, I found her as a woman who was very angry that she had been pulled from patrol for a short time because of a domestic violence report made by Long Beach Police Department because of an incident involving her active LAPD officer boyfriend, XXXXX, and herself. XXXXXX is the same officer investigated for witness tampering. She also was visibly angry on a daily basis that she was going to have to file for bankruptcy because her ex-husband, a former LAPD officer and not XXXX, who had left the department, state, and was nowhere to be found had left her with a tax bill and debt that she was unable to pay because of a lack of financial means. XXXX, you are a POS and you lied right to the BOR panel when XXXX asked you if you kicked XXXXX. You destroyed my life and name because of your actions. Time is up. The time is now to confess to Chief Beck.
I ask that all journalist investigating this story submit request for FOIA with the LAPD to gain access to the BOR transcripts which occurred from 10/08 to 2/09. There, you will see that a video was played for the BOR members of Mr. XXXXX who suffers from Schizophrenia and Dementia stating that he was kicked by a female officer. That video evidence supports my claim that Evans kicked him twice in the upper body and once in the face. I would like all journalist to also request copies of all reports that I had written while employed by LAPD. Whether in the academy, or during my 3 years as a police officer. There are DR#’s attached to each report (investigative report) that I have ever written so they all exist. A FOIA request will most likely be needed to access these at Parker center or at the Personnel/Records. Judge my writin/grammar skills for yourself. The department attempted to paint me as an officer who could not write reports. Even though Sgt. XXXXX a training officer who trained me stated for the BOR panel that there was nothing wrong with my report writing and that I was better than all rookie/probationer officers he has ever trained. Officer XXXX XXXX stated the same but refused to testify as he did not want to “get involved†with the BOR’s. Contact Sgt. XXXX ,(now a Captain at Lompoc PD), Sgt. XXXX, and Sgt. XXXXX. All will state that my report writing was impeccable. I will tell you this, I always type my reports because I have messy handwriting/penmanship. I never had a single kickback/redlined report at Southwest division and Sgt. XXX and Sgt. XXXX can testify to that. I never received an UNSATISFACTORY on any day or week. The same can be said within the U.S. Naval Reserves. All commanders will state that my report writing was always clear, concise, and impeccable. Even search my AAR (after action reports),chits, Memorandum’s, IIR’s (Intelligence Information Reports) which were written in the Navy. All were pristine.
I had worked patrol at LAPD’s Harbor Division from 2/06 until 7/06 when I was involuntarily recalled back to active duty (US Navy) for a 12 month mobilization/deployment to Centcom in support of OIF/OEF. I returned back to LAPD’s Harbor division on 7/07 and immediately returned to patrol. I worked at Harbor division until 11/07 where I then transferred to Southwest Division. I worked At Southwest division until 6/25/08 when I was relieved of duty.
I have exhausted all available means at obtaining my name back. I have attempted all legal court efforts within appeals at the Superior Courts and California Appellate courts. This is my last resort. The LAPD has suppressed the truth and it has now lead to deadly consequences. The LAPD’s actions have cost me my law enforcement career that began on 2/7/05 and ended on 1/2/09. They cost me my Naval career which started on 4/02 and ends on 2/13. I had a TS/SCI clearance(Top Secret Sensitive Compartmentalized Information clearance) up until shortly after my termination with LAPD. This is the highest clearance a service member can attain other than a Yankee White TS/SCI which is only granted for those working with and around the President/Vice President of the United States. I lost my position as a Commanding Officer of a Naval Security Forces reserve unit at NAS Fallon because of the LAPD. I’ve lost a relationship with my mother and sister because of the LAPD. I’ve lost a relationship with close friends because of the LAPD. In essence, I’ve lost everything because the LAPD took my name and new I was INNOCENT!!! XXX, XXX, XXXX , and XXXXX all new I was innocent but decided to terminate me so they could continue Ofcr. XXXX. I know about the meeting between all of you where XXXX attorney, XXXX, confessed that she kicked XXXX (excessive force). Your day has come.
I’m not an aspiring rapper, I’m not a gang member, I’m not a dope dealer, I don’t have multiple babies momma’s. I am an American by choice, I am a son, I am a brother, I am a military service member, I am a man who has lost complete faith in the system, when the system betrayed, slandered, and libeled me. I lived a good life and though not a religious man I always stuck to my own personal code of ethics, ethos and always stuck to my shoreline and true North. I didn’t need the US Navy to instill Honor, Courage, and Commitment in me but I thank them for re-enforcing it. It’s in my DNA.
Luckily I don’t have to live everyday like most of you. Concerned if the misconduct you were apart of is going to be discovered. Looking over your shoulder, scurrying at every phone call from internal affairs or from the Captains office wondering if that is the day PSB comes after you for the suspects you struck when they were cuffed months/years ago or that $500 you pocketed from the narcotics dealer, or when the other guys on your watch beat a transient nearly to death and you never reported the UOF to the supervisor. No, I don’t have that concern, I stood up for what was right but unfortunately have dealt with the reprocussions of doing the right thing and now losing my name and everything I ever stood for. You f**kers knew XXXXX was guilty of kicking (excessive force) XXXX and you did nothing but get rid of what you saw as the problem, the whistleblower. XXXX himself stated on video tape ( provided for the BOR and in transcripts) he was kicked and even his father stated that his son said he was kicked by Evans when he was released from custody. The video was played for the entire BOR to hear. You’re going to see what a whistleblower can do when you take everything from him especially his NAME!!!
Look what you did to Sgt. XXXXX (now lieutenant) when he exposed the truth of your lying, racism, and PSB cover-ups to frame and convict an innocent man. You can not police yourselves and the consent decree was unsuccessful. Sgt. Gavin, I met you on the range several times as a recruit and as an officer. You’re a good man and I saw it in your eyes an actions.
Self Preservation is no longer important to me. I do not fear death as I died long ago on 1/2/09. I was told by my mother that sometimes bad things happen to good people. I refuse to accept that.
From 2/05 to 1/09 I saw some of the most vile things humans can inflict on others as a police officer in Los Angeles. Unfortunately, it wasn’t in the streets of LA. It was in the confounds of LAPD police stations and shops (cruisers). The enemy combatants in LA are not the citizens and suspects, it’s the police officers.
People who live in glass houses should not throw stones. How ironic that you utilize a fixed glass structure as your command HQ. You use as a luminous building to symbolize that you are transparent, have nothing to hide, or suppress when in essence, concealing, omitting, and obscuring is your forte.
Chief Beck, this is when you need to have that come to Jesus talk with Sgt. XXXXXX and everyone else who was involved in the conspiracy to have me terminated for doing the right thing. you also need to speak with her attorney, Rico, and his conversation with the BOR members and her confession of guilt in kicking Mr. XXXX. I’ll be waiting for a PUBLIC response at a press conference. When the truth comes out, the killing stops.
Why didn’t you charge me with filing a false police report when I came forward stating that Evans kicked Mr. XXXXX? You file criminal charges against every other officer who is accused and terminated for filing a false police report. You didn’t because you knew I was innocent and a criminal court would find me innocent and expose your department for suppressing the truth and retaliation, that’s why.
The attacks will stop when the department states the truth about my innocence, PUBLICLY!!! I will not accept any type of currency/goods in exchange for the attacks to stop, nor do i want it. I want my name back, period. There is no negotiation. I am not the state department who states they do not negotiate with terrorist, because anybody with a Secret or TS/SCI has seen IIR’s on SIPR and knows that the US state department always negotiates by using CF countries or independent sovereign/neutral country to mediate and compromising.
This department has not changed from the Daryl Gates and Mark Fuhrman days. Those officers are still employed and have all promoted to Command staff and supervisory positions. I will correct this error. Are you aware that an officer (a rookie/probationer at the time) seen on the Rodney King videotape striking Mr. King multiple times with a baton on 3/3/91 is still employed by the LAPD and is now a Captain on the police department? Captain XXXXXX is now the commanding officer of a LAPD police station (West LA division). As a commanding officer, he is now responsible for over 200 officers. Do you trust him to enforce department policy and investigate use of force investigations on arrestees by his officers? Are you aware Evans has since promoted to Sergeant after kicking Mr. XXXX in the face. Oh, you Violated a citizens civil rights? We will promote you. Same as LAPD did with the officers from Metro involved in the May Day melee at MacArthur Park. They promoted them to Sergeant (a supervisor role).
No one is saying you can’t be prejudiced or a bigot. We are all human and hold prejudices. If you state that you don’t have prejudices, your lying! But, when you act on it and victimize innocent citizens and fellow innocen officers, than that is a concern.
For you officers who do the job in the name of JUSTICE, those of you who lost honest officers to this event, look at the name of those on the BOR and the investigating officers from PSB and Evans and ask them, how come you couldn’t tell the truth? Why did you terminate an honest officer and cover for a dishonest officer who victimized a mentally ill citizen.
Sometimes humans feel a need to prove they are the dominant race of a species and they inadvertently take kindness for weakness from another individual. You chose wrong.
Terminating officers because they expose a culture of lying, racism (from the academy), and excessive use of force will immediately change. PSB can not police their own and that has been proven. The blue line will forever be severed and a cultural change will be implanted. You have awoken a sleeping giant.
I am here to change and make policy. The culture of LAPD versus the community and honest/good officers needs to and will change. I am here to correct and calibrate your morale compasses to true north.
Those Caucasian officers who join South Bureau divisions (77th,SW,SE, an Harbor) with the sole intent to victimize minorities who are uneducated, and unaware of criminal law, civil law, and civil rights. You prefer the South bureau because a use of force/deadly force is likely and the individual you use UOF on will likely not report it. You are a high value target.
Those Black officers in supervisory ranks and pay grades who stay in south bureau (even though you live in the valley or OC) for the sole intent of getting retribution toward subordinate caucasians officers for the pain and hostile work environment their elders inflicted on you as probationers (P-1′s) and novice P-2’s. You are a high value target. You perpetuated the cycle of racism in the department as well. You breed a new generation of bigoted caucasian officer when you belittle them and treat them unfairly.
Those Hispanic officers who victimize their own ethnicity because they are new immigrants to this country and are unaware of their civil rights. You call them wetbacks to their face and demean them in front of fellow officers of different ethnicities so that you will receive some sort of acceptance from your colleagues. I’m not impressed. Most likely, your parents or grandparents were immigrants at one time, but you have forgotten that. You are a high value target.
Those lesbian officers in supervising positions who go to work, day in day out, with the sole intent of attempting to prove your misandrist authority (not feminism) to degrade male officers. You are a high value target.
Those Asian officers who stand by and observe everything I previously mentioned other officers participate in on a daily basis but you say nothing, stand for nothing and protect nothing. Why? Because of your usual saying, †I……don’t like conflictâ€ÂÂ. You are a high value target as well.
Those of you who “go along to get along†have no backbone and destroy the foundation of courage. You are the enablers of those who are guilty of misconduct. You are just as guilty as those who break the code of ethics and oath you swore.
Citizens/non-combatants, do not render medical aid to downed officers/enemy combatants. They would not do the same for you. They will let you bleed out just so they can brag to other officers that they had a 187 caper the other day and can’t wait to accrue the overtime in future court subpoenas. As they always say, “that’s the paramedics job…not mineâ€ÂÂ. Let the balance of loss of life take place. Sometimes a reset needs to occur.
It is endless the amount of times per week officers arrest an individual, label him a suspect-arrestee-defendant and then before arraignment or trial realize that he is innocent based on evidence. You know what they say when they realize an innocent man just had his life turned upside down?. “I guess he should have stayed at home that day he was discovered walking down the street and matching the suspects description. Oh well, he appeared to be a dirtbag anywaysâ€ÂÂ. Meanwhile the falsely accused is left to pick up his life, get a new, family, friends, and sense of self worth.
Don’t honor these fallen officers/dirtbags. When your family members die, they just see you as extra overtime at a crime scene and at a perimeter. Why would you value their lives when they clearly don’t value yours or your family members lives? I’ve heard many officers who state they see dead victims as ATV’s, Waverunners, RV’s and new clothes for their kids. Why would you shed a tear for them when they in return crack a smile for your loss because of the impending extra money they will receive in their next paycheck for sitting at your loved ones crime scene of 6 hours because of the overtime they will accrue. They take photos of your loved ones recently deceased bodies with their cellphones and play a game of who has the most graphic dead body of the night with officers from other divisions. This isn’t just the 20 something year old officers, this is the 50 year old officers with significant time on the job as well who participate.
You allow an officer, XXXXXX, to attempt to hack into my credit union account and still remain on the job even when Det. XXXXX shows the evidence that the IP address (provided by LAPFCU) that attempted to hack into my account and change my username and password leads directly to her residence. You even allow this visibly disgusting looking officer to stay on the job when she perjures (lies) in court (Clark County Family Court) to the judge’s face and denies hacking into my personal credit union online account when I attempted to get my restraint order extended. Det. XXXX provided the evidence and you still do nothing.
How do you know when a police officer is lying??? When he begins his sentence with, “based on my experience and trainingâ€ÂÂ.
No one grows up and wants to be a cop killer. It was against everything I’ve ever was. As a young police explorer I found my calling in life. But, As a young police officer I found that the violent suspects on the street are not the only people you have to watch. It is the officer who was hired on to the department (pre-2000) before polygraphs were standard for all new hires and a substantial vetting in a backround investigation.
To those children of the officers who are eradicated, your parent was not the individual you thought they were. As you get older,you will see the evidence that your parent was a tyrant who loss their ethos and instead followed the path of moral corruptness. They conspired to hide and suppress the truth of misconduct on others behalf’s. Your parent will have a name and plaque on the fallen officers memorial in D.C. But, In all honesty, your parents name will be a reminder to other officers to maintain the oath they swore and to stay along the shoreline that has guided them from childhood to that of a local, state, or federal law enforcement officer.
Your lack of ethics and conspiring to wrong a just individual are over.
Suppressing the truth will leave to deadly consequences for you and your family. There will be an element of surprise where you work, live, eat, and sleep. I will utilize ISR at your home, workplace, and all locations in between. I will utilize OSINT to discover your residences, spouses workplaces, and children’s schools. IMINT to coordinate and plan attacks on your fixed locations. Its amazing whats on NIPR. HUMINT will be utilized to collect personal schedules of targets. I never had the opportunity to have a family of my own, I’m terminating yours. Quan, Anderson, Evans, and BOR members Look your wives/husbands and surviving children directly in the face and tell them the truth as to why your children are dead.
Never allow a LAPPL union attorney to be a retired LAPD Captain,(XXX). He doesn’t work for you, your interest, or your name. He works for the department, period. His job is to protect the department from civil lawsuits being filed and their best interest which is the almighty dollar. His loyalty is to the department, not his client. Even when he knowingly knows your innocent and the BOR also knows your innocent after Christopher Gettler stated on videotape that he was kicked and Evans attorney confessed to the BOR off the record that she kicked Gettler.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants-TJ. This quote is not directed toward the US government which I fully support 100%. This is toward the LAPD who can not monitor itself. The consent decree should not have been lifted, ever.
I know your TTP’s, (techniques, tactics, and procedures). Any threat assessments you generate will be useless. This is simple, I know your TTP’s and PPR’s. I will mitigate any of your attempts at preservation. ORM is my friend. I will mitigate all risks, threats and hazards. I assure you that Incident Command Posts will be target rich environments. KMA-367 license plate frames are great target indicators and make target selection even easier.
I will conduct DA operations to destroy, exploit and seize designated targets. If unsuccessful or unable to meet objectives in these initial small-scale offensive actions, I will reassess my BDA and re-attack until objectives are met. I have nothing to lose. My personal casualty means nothing. Just alike AAF’s, ACM’s, and AIF’s, you can not prevail against an enemy combatant who has no fear of death. An enemy who embraces death is a lose, lose situation for their enemy combatants.
Hopefully you analyst have done your homework. You are aware that I have always been the top shot, highest score, an expert in rifle qualifications in every unit I’ve been in. I will utilize every bit of small arms training, demolition, ordnance, and survival training I’ve been given.
Do you know why we are unsuccessful in asymmetrical and guerrilla warfare in CENTCOM theatre of operations? I’ll tell you. It’s not the inefficiency of our combatant commanders, planning, readiness or training of troops. Much like the Vietnam war, ACM, AAF, foreign fighters, Jihadist, and JAM have nothing to lose. They embrace death as it is a way of life. I simply don’t fear it. I am the walking exigent circumstance you created.
The Violence of action will be HIGH. I am the reason TAC alert was established. I will bring unconventional and asymmetrical warfare to those in LAPD uniform whether on or off duty. ISR is my strength and your weakness. You will now live the life of the prey. Your RD’s and homes away from work will be my AO and battle space. I will utilize every tool within INT collections that I learned from NMITC in Dam Neck. You have misjudged a sleeping giant. There is no conventional threat assessment for me. JAM, New Ba’ath party, 1920 rev BGE, ACM, AAF, AQAP, AQIM and AQIZ have nothing on me. Do not deploy airships or gunships. SA-7 Manpads will be waiting. As you know I also own Barrett .50′s so your APC are defunct and futile.
You better have all your officers radio/phone muster (code 1) on or off duty every hour, on the hour.
Do not attempt to shadow or conduct any type of ISR on me. I have the inventory listing of all UC vehicles at Piper Tech and the home addresses of any INT analyst at JRIC and detachment locations. My POA is always POI and always true. This will be a war of attrition and a Pyrrhic and Camdean Victory for myself. You may have the resources and manpower but you are reactive and predictable in your op plans and TTP’s. I have the strength and benefits of being unpredictable, unconventional, and unforgiving. Do not waste your time with briefs and tabletops.
If you have a problem with my opinion, send it over in PM before you arrogantly warn me for having an opinion different than yours.
Post Merge: February 10, 2013, 08:53:06 am
A little post-scriptum why I also support him:
http://rt.com/usa/news/former-dorner-police-lapd-670/ (http://rt.com/usa/news/former-dorner-police-lapd-670/)
In response, the LAPD has launched a statewide manhunt and is standing armed and ready to use lethal force, should they encounter the suspect. Police who were guarding one of Dorner’s targeted officers opened fire and wounded two innocent people in a pickup truck in Torrance that closely resembled the one that the suspect was thought to be driving – a blue or grey Nissan Titan. The pickup had been driving without its lights on at 5:15 a.m. Thursday, prompting the officers to blindly shoot at it.
“Tragically we believe this was a case of mistaken identity by the officers,†said LAPD Police Chief Charlie Beck.
Authorities have not discussed the extent of the gunshot injuries afflicted upon the bystanders, but the two victims were hospitalized.
Nearby, there was another police shooting when LAPD officers saw a separate pickup truck that also resembled the suspect’s. The bullets failed to hit the innocent driver of the truck, but points towards the fear instilled among the LAPD as they desperately search for Dorner, prepared to use any means to stop him.
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Whoever pathetically-secretely abused me with the "Trolling in news topics" warning, I form my judgement on this manifesto
If you have a problem with my opinion, send it over in PM before you arrogantly warn me for having an opinion different than yours.
Post Merge: February 10, 2013, 08:53:06 am
A little post-scriptum why I also support him:
http://rt.com/usa/news/former-dorner-police-lapd-670/ (http://rt.com/usa/news/former-dorner-police-lapd-670/)
You think it's okay for a disgruntled employee to go around killing innocent civilians and officers because he was punished at work for something he believes was wrong? That's just sick...
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You think it's okay for a disgruntled employee to go around killing innocent civilians and officers because he was punished at work for something he believes was wrong? That's just sick...
What isn't sick in this world? The fact that your morals do not allow it doesn't make it any more amoral than it can be.
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What isn't sick in this world? The fact that your morals do not allow it doesn't make it any more amoral than it can be.
He is a pissed off person who has lost his mental capacity, and is killing innocent people who aren't even involved in his anger. There is nothing moral about that. It is just a mentally-ill person murdering people.
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He is a pissed off person who has lost his mental capacity,
You have no psychologists degree to say that.
and is killing innocent people who aren't even involved in his anger.
Not really, he explains why he particularly targets them.
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Not really, he explains why he particularly targets them.
Link? Elaborate?
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Link? Elaborate?
First of, the manifesto I posted above.
Secondly, LAPD actually responded to his claims:
Link (http://abcnews.go.com/US/christopher-dorner-manhunt-search-resumes-lapd-officer/story?id=18444041)
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You have no psychologists degree to say that.
Not really, he explains why he particularly targets them.
He is on a crusade to kill people he does not agree with. I don't need a psychologist's degree to say that. The news has already listed it as a fact several hundred times. If what he was doing was completely just and normal, there wouldn't be Law Enforcement Officers from 2 different states searching for him.
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Only in America.
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Only in America.
Not really. This has happened in many other countries before. People go crazy all the time after losing their jobs.
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For some reason i laughed, he's doing some pretty badass shit to be honest.
I do understand why he's pissed off and started to murder officers but look at what he's been through for the past couple of years.
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For some reason i laughed, he's doing some pretty badass shit to be honest.
I do understand why he's pissed off and started to murder officers but look at what he's been through for the couple of years.
That still doesn't justify killing innocent people over his anger.
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True about that. I'm curious about what his next step will be since his last one wich was a few hours ago.
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This guy is an absolute nutter but he knows how to kill professionally. He won't be easily caught that's for sure.
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This guy is an absolute nutter but he knows how to kill professionally. He won't be easily caught that's for sure.
Agreed. A one million dollar (USD) reward has been put out on him by the LAPD.
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Agreed. A one million dollar (USD) reward has been put out on him by the LAPD.
Yes that was just a few hours ago.
The way i think it will end is just a massive shootout where he and alot of other officers and perhaps the National Guard will die. With his current mindset he will just kill everyone that's in his way.
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The way i think it will end is just a massive shootout where he and alot of other officers and perhaps the National Guard will die. With his current mindset he will just kill everyone that's in his way.
Unfortunately, that is probably likely. If the situation isn't put under control soon, federal and military authorities might start stepping in.
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Unfortunately, that is probably likely. If the situation isn't put under control soon, federal and military authorities might start stepping in.
I pretty much think that's to late already. Look at what this guy has learned in his life.
He served the LAPD, is an ex Navy Soldier, has 8 decorations, fought in Iraq and has marksman skill with his 50 caliber rifle. Normal police force will be slaughterd if the federal/military authorities doesn't do anything. I'm pretty sure that the National Guard is busy with it now.
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Not really. This has happened in many other countries before. People go crazy all the time after losing their jobs.
Who said he's crazy.. He might just be fighting for a legit (thought cruel and murderous) cause.
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I can somehow understand how the man feels.
After serving his country for years with dedication, and then being being 'thrown away' like dirt.
He is angry, I believe we can all agree on that.
But going out killing people, that's where his claims stop being valid.
As he is doing something even worse than the LAPD did to him..
Not even mentioning that he is murdering random officers ,not involved in the case
and even civilians, family of the law enforcers involved ?
I don't see how anybody could consider this as a good cause in any possible way..
The moment you lower yourself to your enemies standards or even further, all your arguments become invalid.
I can only hope for the man that they don't get him alive, for his sake.
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Who said he's crazy.. He might just be fighting for a legit (thought cruel and murderous) cause.
If he is murdering innocent people, he's crazy. He is not doing it to protect someone else's life that is in danger. He is not doing it to protect his own life because it's in danger. He's doing it simply because he's pissed off at his old job, and is taking out his anger on innocent people who don't deserve to die.
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dont worry guys i'll take him out and collect the bounty
Post Merge: February 11, 2013, 03:13:55 am
how the f**k was (this^) I trolling?
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People go crazy all the time after losing their jobs.
This isn't about simply losing the job, he's fighting for the corrupt system to change. And the shooting of an innocent couple without warning just because they were in a similar car to his proves his claims.
Post Merge: February 11, 2013, 03:53:06 pm
If he is murdering innocent people, he's crazy.
Tell that to people within the government, within the military, within pretty much every infrastructure which is sitting at the top of countries.
Post Merge: February 11, 2013, 03:53:35 pm
dont worry guys i'll take him out and collect the bounty
Post Merge: February 11, 2013, 03:13:55 am
how the f**k was (this^) I trolling?
Everything nowadays is trolling and provoking for moderators, it seems.
Post Merge: February 11, 2013, 03:55:09 pm
The moment you lower yourself to your enemies standards or even further, all your arguments become invalid.
Pretty brave words from a little person such as yourself. Tell that to pretty much every politician and tactician of the past wars and meddles.
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If he is murdering innocent people, he's crazy. He is not doing it to protect someone else's life that is in danger. He is not doing it to protect his own life because it's in danger. He's doing it simply because he's pissed off at his old job, and is taking out his anger on innocent people who don't deserve to die.
He's killing the families of those who messed with him, sounds like he's fighting for his own cause.. Not because he's mental.
Then again Sugar, everyone who shoots someone is mental in your eyes.
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how the f**k was (this^) I trolling?
No idea
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This isn't about simply losing the job, he's fighting for the corrupt system to change. And the shooting of an innocent couple without warning just because they were in a similar car to his proves his claims.
Post Merge: February 11, 2013, 03:53:06 pm
Tell that to people within the government, within the military, within pretty much every infrastructure which is sitting at the top of countries.
1. Fighting by killing innocent people not even involved in the situation? No, that is not about fighting a corrupt system for change. That is about someone losing their mind after their job.
2. The military is not meant to kill innocent people. If they do, there is a reason why the UN and other governments step in. Hell, World War II was a perfect example of that.
He's killing the families of those who messed with him, sounds like he's fighting for his own cause.. Not because he's mental.
Then again Sugar, everyone who shoots someone is mental in your eyes.
Umm, yes. Anyone who goes around shooting innocent people is mentally unstable/insane. That is not a matter of opinion. There is no reason for them to do it, hence the word "innocent".
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1. Fighting by killing innocent people not even involved in the situation? No, that is not about fighting a corrupt system for change. That is about someone losing their mind after their job.
People die for the greater cause. Prompting these killings causes attention on the matter and public will be pissed off when they find out the way LAPD bred this monster. There will be change no matter what.
2. To begin with, UN didn't even work during World War II. Secondly, the entire fucking West, again, bred the beast called Hitler nowadays. See one (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_non-interventionism#Non-interventionism_shortly_before_WWII), two. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement)
If there is anyone to blame for Hitlers uprising, it's UK, USA and France.
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People die for the greater cause. Prompting these killings causes attention on the matter and public will be pissed off when they find out the way LAPD bred this monster. There will be change no matter what.
2. To begin with, UN didn't even work during World War II. Secondly, the entire f**king West, again, bred the beast called Hitler nowadays. See one (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_non-interventionism#Non-interventionism_shortly_before_WWII), two. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement)
If there is anyone to blame for Hitlers uprising, it's UK, USA and France.
1. The LAPD didn't breed this "monster". Yes, I agree that he was wrongfully fired, but that does not justify going around killing innocent people to make a point by any means. Nothing justifies that. Anyone who thinks it does is just as mentally sick as him.
2. The UN was a separate example from WWII. Also, the "West" did not breed Hitler. For starters, the UK and France aren't even part of that side of the world. Secondly, Hitler was completely his own mess. He was a good speech giver who took advantage of his skill to gain power. Once he did, he abused it for his own self-gain that was fueled by anger and mental instability. The US, UK, and France did not give birth to him. They did not raise him. They did not train him. They did not tell him what to think, how to act, or what to say. He was not a resident of their countries, nor did he ever lead them. He also was never in a mental hospital in any of them. The US, UK, and France had absolutely nothing to do with his rise to power, nor did they have anything to do with the decisions he made on his own. Don't twist the history books to support your arguments. Turning facts into opinions don't make them new facts.
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Charlie Sheen Pleads with Christopher Dorner ... CALL ME!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EhL5xFe5Vc#ws)
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Charlie Sheen Pleads with Christopher Dorner ... CALL ME!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EhL5xFe5Vc#ws)
He actually seems sincere, as if he's trying to gain the guy's trust to get him to back down.
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If there is anyone to blame for Hitlers uprising, it's UK, USA and France.
:lol: :lol:
No.
Germany's people put him in power, and they got screwed over by it along with the rest of the world.
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Charlie Sheen Pleads with Christopher Dorner ... CALL ME!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EhL5xFe5Vc#ws)
Well how the bloody hell would you get his number?
>Calls Charlie Sheen
>Gets the whole SWAT on his ass
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1. The LAPD did breed this "monster". Yes, I agree that he was wrongfully fired, but that does not justify going around killing innocent people to make a point by any means. Nothing justifies that. Anyone who thinks it does is just as mentally sick as him.
You think i'm mentally sick? The only people he has killed so far were people who were involved with it.
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You think i'm mentally sick? The only people he has killed so far were people who were involved with it.
I didn't say you.
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I didn't say you.
You do mean it since i think that is enough reason to start such chaos.
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You do mean it since i think that is enough reason to start such chaos.
I never named names on purpose. If you wish to assume it was you, by all means feel free, but it was not directed at anyone specifically.
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Well how the bloody hell would you get his number?
His Agent.
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1. The LAPD did breed this "monster". Yes, I agree that he was wrongfully fired, but that does not justify going around killing innocent people to make a point by any means. Nothing justifies that. Anyone who thinks it does is just as mentally sick as him.
Then what does he have to do anything in this life? He got fired, bureuocracy will limit his abilities to null and he won't get around without his word, so he started his little revolution. It's how revolutions happen - you can't make a point to the higher ups without showing them how f**ked up they are when you speak business - that's what he does. And I will root for that guy, even though I don't give two f**ks about God Blessin' Americuh's internal affairs.
2. The UN was a separate example from WWII. Also, the "West" did not breed Hitler. For starters, the UK and France aren't even part of that side of the world. Secondly, Hitler was completely his own mess. He was a good speech giver who took advantage of his skill to gain power. Once he did, he abused it for his own self-gain that was fueled by anger and mental instability. The US, UK, and France did not give birth to him. They did not raise him. They did not train him. They did not tell him what to think, how to act, or what to say. He was not a resident of their countries, nor did he ever lead them. He also was never in a mental hospital in any of them. The US, UK, and France had absolutely nothing to do with his rise to power, nor did they have anything to do with the decisions he made on his own. Don't twist the history books to support your arguments. Turning facts into opinions don't make them new facts.
Now this is the point where you get your facts completely f**king straight.
I'll start first by again showing you the first link of US Non-Intervention policy during WWII (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_non-interventionism#Non-interventionism_shortly_before_WWII). As you can see, instead of actually doing anything with helping preserve peace in Europe (although it can be noted that, while Woodrow Wilson, the president of the USA during WWI, was the mastermind behind League of Nations, US still didn't join LoN at all).
Now lets get back to Europe since America was aside, UK and France were looking after Germany so it wouldn't become batshit insane after WWI, which they were very afraid of.
Policy of Appeasement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeasement), led by then-France and UK, allowed for Hitler to become a superpower in the first place. The Versailles Treaty, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles) which was installed by the victors of WWI had in core the idea to show Germany its place, but in particular: no big professional armies, no big navy, a lot of territory lost, no even allowance to import/export or EVEN MANUFACTURE WEAPONS. Basically it told Germany that they're a nuisance and should feel bad for being such.
UK and France, remembering the horrors of WWI, obviously, wanted to avoid such atrocities so they intended to keep Germany at bay. This is where Hitler comes in. Hitler, being a simple beginning politician, knew well what people of Germany lusted for - revenge, revanche, for all the things all other world has done to Germany become a basically peasant compared to other countries, while they were just an ally helping Austria-Hungary back in WWI. Hitler manipulated people into believe that everyone, but not Germany, were at fault. His popularity rises with his glorious speeches of how Germany will rise once again, of how we will eventually show them all. When he became Chancellor of Germany in 1933, he started to enact a ridiculous amount of reforms which basically showed middle finger to any objections the Treaty of Versailles had.
What did UK and France do, the people who had to keep the "potential aggressor" (and they knew very well that it will happen eventually because they cornered the dog really tight)? They did.... nothing. Nothing at all. Not only did they not resist any Hitler's attempts to get advanced military assets, gain Austria with the event of Anschluss, but they also, to put it simple, lured Germany onto another, bigger threat in their eyes - USSR.
This picture shows it the best
(http://i46.tinypic.com/20tqg7m.jpg)
Left - Western Europe; Right - USSR on the signs
After the Munich (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement)agreement, Western Europe had lost it by giving Chekhoslovakia to Hitler and practically signing a truce agreement between each other. It didn't help, as you had noticed.
To say the least, they did not give birth to Hitler but they sure as f**k raised him, given the fact they didn't even intervene in his rise to power, showing the path to the glory he eventually found.
I get my facts straight, especially on this matter, since I've been studying on History lessons WWII thoroughly since November
Thank you for reading this humble History lesson. I think I got hooked up a little there.
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Then what does he have to do anything in this life? He got fired, bureuocracy will limit his abilities to null and he won't get around without his word, so he started his little revolution. It's how revolutions happen - you can't make a point to the higher ups without showing them how f**ked up they are when you speak business - that's what he does. And I will root for that guy, even though I don't give two f**ks about God Blessin' Americuh's internal affairs.
Killing innocent people isn't a revolution. It's murder.
(Also, I meant to say "didn't" in the first sentence of my quote, instead of did. I fixed it previously, in case anyone is confused.)
As for your World War II comments, I suggest you brush up on your history books. This should help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II)
As you can clearly read, Hitler was not "bred" by anyone but his own family, and did not gain power on anyone's incentives besides his own, and of those who he convinced he was worthy of such a position with.
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As for your World War II comments, I suggest you brush up on your history books. This should help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II)
As you can clearly read, Hitler was not "bred" by anyone but his own family, and did not gain power on anyone's incentives besides his own, and of those who he convinced he was worthy of such a position with.
I see you failed to see all my arguments or even try to counteract them, therefore I can conclude that you're either A) Uninterested in the discussion you have no idea of or B) Trying to ignore them for the sake of keeping discussion. On this part, you either give me standing proof, just as I did, or instead quit provoking me with your ignorance.
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I see you failed to see all my arguments or even try to counteract them, therefore I can conclude that you're either A) Uninterested in the discussion you have no idea of or B) Trying to ignore them for the sake of keeping discussion. On this part, you either give me standing proof, just as I did, or instead quit provoking me with your ignorance.
Again, please brush up on your history, because as I said before, making things up does not make them facts. Hitler was not bred by any "Western powers", as you say. My reply is more than enough evidence to back that up.
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WW2 has no relevance to this topic.
BREAKING
Fugitive ex-cop Christopher Dorner has reportedly exchanged gunfire with federal authorities in California's Big Bear Lake area.
It is believed Dorner - who is suspected of three murders - may have held a couple hostage in a holiday cabin before police tracked him down.
A police officer told the Associated Press that Dorner robbed the cabin and tied up the holidaymakers, but one was able to get away and make a phone call.
The shootout began after police arrived at the remote location and chased former LAPD officer Dorner as he fled in a stolen car.
The noise of the gun battle was broadcast by KCAL-TV, whose reporter suddenly found himself near the shooting. Someone could be heard yelling at the reporter to get out of the area.
Local media in California are reporting that two officers may have been injured.
A manhunt has centred on the San Bernardino mountains since Dorner's pickup truck was found in the area last Thursday.
San Bernardino County sheriff's spokeswoman Jodi Miller said a stolen vehicle report from a residence was received at 12:20pm.
"The reporting party identified the suspect as looking like Christopher Dorner but that has not been confirmed," Miller said.
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BREAKING
Fugitive ex-cop Christopher Dorner has reportedly exchanged gunfire with federal authorities in California's Big Bear Lake area.
It is believed Dorner - who is suspected of three murders - may have held a couple hostage in a holiday cabin before police tracked him down.
A police officer told the Associated Press that Dorner robbed the cabin and tied up the holidaymakers, but one was able to get away and make a phone call.
The shootout began after police arrived at the remote location and chased former LAPD officer Dorner as he fled in a stolen car.
The noise of the gun battle was broadcast by KCAL-TV, whose reporter suddenly found himself near the shooting. Someone could be heard yelling at the reporter to get out of the area.
Local media in California are reporting that two officers may have been injured.
A manhunt has centred on the San Bernardino mountains since Dorner's pickup truck was found in the area last Thursday.
San Bernardino County sheriff's spokeswoman Jodi Miller said a stolen vehicle report from a residence was received at 12:20pm.
"The reporting party identified the suspect as looking like Christopher Dorner but that has not been confirmed," Miller said.
Here's some video regarding the statement you just brought up:
http://www.kcra.com/Fugitive-cop-reportedly-shoots-at-officers/-/11798090/13550554/-/11uer3q/-/index.html (http://www.kcra.com/Fugitive-cop-reportedly-shoots-at-officers/-/11798090/13550554/-/11uer3q/-/index.html)
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Police are surrounding a cabin, Dorner is thought to be inside.
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The 2 officers are confirmed injured, and the ex-cop is also confirmed to be barricaded inside.
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The cabin he was claimed to be in was a prank call, I even heard it on video stream LOL
Mixed it up a bit, the prank call was from a so-called witness who called the newsfeed to tell a fake story then shout it out.
http://www.cbs8.com/story/10363609/cbs-news-live-feed (http://www.cbs8.com/story/10363609/cbs-news-live-feed)
Literally, the guy just shouted "DONT YOU KNOW DUMBASS THIS IS A PRANK CALL"
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Hope it all goes well over there.
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The cabin he was claimed to be in was a prank call, I even heard it on video stream LOL
http://www.cbs8.com/story/10363609/cbs-news-live-feed (http://www.cbs8.com/story/10363609/cbs-news-live-feed)
Literally, the guy just shouted "DONT YOU KNOW DUMBASS THIS IS A PRANK CALL"
Jeezuz. I'm hearing a lot of conflicts from the news too. They are also claiming he's barricaded between 2 cabins now. They even have news teams staying way back to prevent them compromising the police operation. I hope they catch this guy alive. I'd hate to see this end in a deadly way.
Edit: They just confirmed the suspect's location. News media is being asked by police to leave the area immediately because gunfire is being exchanged.
Edit #2: SWAT and unmarked cars are rushing towards the cabin. The two injured officers have been confirmed to be airlifted to area hospitals. There is no confirmation of which Department/Agency they work for, however it is believed they were both San Bernardino County Sheriff's Deputies.
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How many cops does it take to kill one guy. :trust:
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How many cops does it take to kill one guy. :trust:
Considering he's a marksman with deadly accuracy, many.
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Considering he's a marksman with deadly accuracy, many.
Well then I assume all those cops are marksmen with deadly accuracy..
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How many cops does it take to kill one guy. :trust:
They are saying he has at least 34 legally-owned weapons. He also has special operations military training, as well as Law Enforcement training. They want to get him alive first, but they will kill if needed. Keep in mind that there also may be hostages involved. It's a very delicate situation because it is one better-trained guy with tons of guns and possible hostages versus a bunch of lesser trained people with the same amount of weapons as bodies, and they want to prosecute him, not kill him. They also don't want any officers or hostages hurt in the process.
Well then I assume all those cops are marksmen with deadly accuracy..
Police do get some very heavy training in shooting, but their training is generally urban for shootouts and self-defense. It's not meant to be military-style tactical training in nature, unlike the ex-cop's former training. This guy is trained to handle situations like this. Police aren't.
Edit: Area schools just went into lockdown, and a Cal-Fire armored/heavy-duty ambulance just moved up on the scene. More unmarked Law Enforcement vehicles are also showing up, and traffic is being redirected away from the area.
Edit #2: A "bunker-buster" SWAT vehicle, three SWAT trucks, and at least 50 or more police vehicles have been seen heading towards the area to assist from Highway 38.
Edit #3: All officers leaving the area are being searched and inspected to ensure the suspect does not sneak out of the area.
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Police do get some very heavy training in shooting, but their training is generally urban for shootouts and self-defense. It's not meant to be military-style tactical training in nature, unlike the ex-cop's former training. This guy is trained to handle situations like this. Police aren't.
That is why the tactical police force is set in, those with the big guns!
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That is why the tactical police force is set in, those with the big guns!
That's what SWAT is. It's still a very delicate situation. If you check my second edit on the post previous to your's, they have more SWAT rushing to the area too. They are saying that over 3 dozen Law Enforcement agencies are involved now, maybe more.
Edit: A triage area has been set up in the event of massive injuries.
Edit #2: More SWAT is now on-scene and preparing to join the shootout area.
Edit #3: It appears the LAPD may be preparing to give a statement. CBS is showing preparations of it online, however other news agencies haven't commented yet.
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Might aswell send in the army. :roll:
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News Reporter Prank Called During Shooting (RONNIE THE LIMO DRIVER) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM7y3QveBI4#)
LOL.
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At least 40 more SWAT Officers have been confirmed preparing to enter the shootout zone. They do have the suspect's location confirmed now.
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News Reporter Prank Called During Shooting (RONNIE THE LIMO DRIVER) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM7y3QveBI4#)
LOL.
Little does the guy know, that is a felony because he just violated FCC and public information laws. Jokes on him when all those cops swarm him next. :P
Edit #2: The LAPD is giving a press statement now.
Edit #3: They are now saying they don't know if the barricaded man is the ex-cop, or just a similar looking man.
Edit #4: The Los Angeles Times is now claiming that the initial shootout lasted 30 minutes. To give you all an idea of how unusual that is, 30 seconds is normally considered an excessively-long shootout. I cannot even imagine 30 minutes worth of it.
Edit #5: KCRA 3 News just stated they have also witnessed military personnel on-scene trying to assist and secure the area.
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Reported active gunfire b/t suspect and police. Live video from NBCLA
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Christopher-Dorner-LAPD-Manhunt-Search-Big-Bear-190902721.html?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_LABrand (http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Christopher-Dorner-LAPD-Manhunt-Search-Big-Bear-190902721.html?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_LABrand)
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Reported active gunfire b/t suspect and police. Live video from NBCLA
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Christopher-Dorner-LAPD-Manhunt-Search-Big-Bear-190902721.html?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_LABrand (http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Christopher-Dorner-LAPD-Manhunt-Search-Big-Bear-190902721.html?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_LABrand)
Your feed is running some of it's information off of mine from KCRA 3, although it seems to be a minute or so behind. Monitoring both now for anything new.
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Too bad they made the choppers back off.
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Too bad they made the choppers back off.
Unfortunately they had to because of the danger.
News teams just spotted an ambulance heading up the mountain, code 3.
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News Reporter Prank Called During Shooting (RONNIE THE LIMO DRIVER) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM7y3QveBI4#)
LOL.
I don't get whats funny. :roll:
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Unfortunately they had to because of the danger.
Yeah i was watching when they backed off. Been watching NBCLA footage for around an hour now. Seen probably a hundred patrol units, multiple armored trucks, Large command units, some sort of large Cal-Fire unit and a SWAT vehicle towing something that resembled a bobcat covered with armor head up the mountain. They are also searching every vehicle that comes down.
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Yeah i was watching when they backed off. Been watching NBCLA footage for around an hour now. Seen probably a hundred patrol units, multiple armored trucks, Large command units, some sort of large Cal-Fire unit and a SWAT vehicle towing something that resembled a bobcat covered with armor head up the mountain. They are also searching every vehicle that comes down.
It's getting pretty crazy, I agree. When I saw the recent standoff here in Sacramento at that Jack In The Box, that was the most police I had seen in one area in my life...and I've seen a lot of police action. This dwarfs it easily...and that is an understatement.
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What if this man in the cabin is just an distraction so Dorner could escape :eek:
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Why does it take a whole police force, if not 3 police forces, I mean arn't there other crimes they could be dealing with whilst SWAT and a few other units deal with it?
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Why does it take a whole police force, if not 3 police forces, I mean arn't there other crimes they could be dealing with whilst SWAT and a few other units deal with it?
They wouldn't do all of this if they didn't think it was necessary.
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What if this man in the cabin is just an distraction so Dorner could escape :eek:
They already covered that. That is why they have police blocking roads and checking every vehicle leaving the area.
Why does it take a whole police force, if not 3 police forces, I mean arn't there other crimes they could be dealing with whilst SWAT and a few other units deal with it?
Because there could be hostages, and they don't want anyone hurt. That includes police, civilians, and the suspect himself.
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NBCLA: 1 officer shot earlier in the day has passed
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Because there could be hostages, and they don't want anyone hurt. That includes police, civilians, and the suspect himself.
I lol'd this guy already has his death sentence no matter what happends his life will end in a massive shootout.
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NBCLA: 1 officer shot earlier in the day has passed
KCRA 3 and CBS haven't confirmed this yet. I hope it's false information, but unfortunately is more than likely not. That angers me so much...
I lol'd this guy already has his death sentence no matter what happends his life will end in a massive shootout.
Death sentence or not, it is not up to police to execute his punishment. You are sadly likely right about it ending that way, though.
Edit: They just confirmed the San Bernardino County Sheriff's deputy has died. The second deputy/officer's status is still listed as "injured", but is not actually known.
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NBCLA has someone on the phone reporting that he seen officers have been going in and out of the cabin that Dorner was in. ONly person I've heard reporting this. This is getting very interesting.
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NBCLA has someone on the phone reporting that he seen officers have been going in and out of the cabin that Dorner was in. ONly person I've heard reporting this. This is getting very interesting.
From the reports, it's a multi-level cabin, and police had entered the upper cabin to clear it. They believe he is in the lower one.
Edit: It appears tear gas has been thrown into one of the cabins.
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From the pictures I've seen, it looks to small to be multi-level. Could be wrong, that's just my opinion.
Edit: CHP opening almost all road leading to mountain as direction from SBCSD.
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It will happen at any moment, prepare for a warzone.
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The cabin has just caught on fire.
Edit: The San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department is giving a statement.
Edit #2: First officer is confirmed dead. Second officer is in surgery and expected to survive.
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IMHO, it would appear that this is going to end, very soon.
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IMHO, it would appear that this is going to end, very soon.
It's going to be iffy. I've seen incidents like this before where a suspect was holed up in a cabin, and tear gas caught the place on fire. The suspect ended up sneaking out during the fire and Law Enforcement had trouble tracking him until it cleared a bit. We could see something similar here, despite the unlikelihood.
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I agree. To be honest, from what i had seen earlier, the picture being shown by CBS does not seem like the cabin they were reporting on earlier. Also just heard he may have escaped............
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They should have just C4'ed the cabin, twats like this don't deserve to be alive, even if law enforcement wan't him alive for questioning.
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They should have just C4'ed the cabin, twats like this don't deserve to be alive, even if law enforcement wan't him alive for questioning.
He might have hostages...
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He might have escaped.
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They should have just C4'ed the cabin, twats like this don't deserve to be alive, even if law enforcement wan't him alive for questioning.
As I said before, it is not the police's job to provide punishment. They are not judge and jury.
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Yes, the cabin they showed earlier and the one they are showing on fire appears to be different. The first cabin had one larger one to the left, and one to the right. With a large clearing near the structures. What i am seeing atm is a single structure in a heavily wooded area.
Edit: NBCLA may have been showing the wrong cabin earlier. That or the shadows are drastically changing the look of the area.
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As I said before, it is not the police's job to provide punishment. They are not judge and jury.
No, but they are the ones being shot at, not the fat ass judge sitting at a nice wooden desk thinking everyones respects him.
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Yes, the cabin they showed earlier and the one they are showing on fire appears to be different. The first cabin had one larger one to the left, and one to the right. With a large clearing near the structures. What i am seeing atm is a single structure in a heavily wooded area.
It was likely a mistake they made since the video they had was no longer live.
Sounds of ammunition exploding in the fire has been heard.
No, but they are the ones being shot at, not the fat ass judge sitting at a nice wooden desk thinking everyones respects him.
So what? They are still not judge and jury. Why should they have the right to take his life just because they personally feel it's a better idea?
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Looks like it may be over. Poss self inflicted shot.
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Looks like it may be over. Poss self inflicted shot.
I haven't heard any of the news sources say anything yet. Are you just guessing or is that from one of the feeds?
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Looks like it may be over. Poss self inflicted shot.
yeah i have also heard that on one of the feed, but they are very unsure.
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yeah i have also heard that on one of the feed, but they are very unsure.
A statement is being given. They are confirming the cabin on fire with the suspect inside. Deputy confirmed dead, other one confirmed in surgery and going to be okay. They confirmed a second time that the suspect is, indeed, inside the cabin. They have not yet confirmed themselves, but they do believe the suspect is the ex-cop.
Edit: FBI and U.S. Marshals are on-scene.
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I haven't heard any of the news sources say anything yet. Are you just guessing or is that from one of the feeds?
I heard it from the CBS Live feed. Reporter on scene stating the cabin is fully involved and he doesn't believe anyone could survive. He heard 1 gun shot after teargas was thrown into cabin. FD on scene but no acting due to uncertainty. They have speculation that there's a minor chance he may have escaped to some sort of horse barn or enclosure. Not believed he did.
Edit: I'm seeing multiple law enforcement vehicles coming down.
Edit: Well, it appears it will be awhile before they confirm if he's inside. I'm going to shy away from all the coverage.
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I heard it from the CBS Live feed. Reporter on scene stating the cabin is fully involved and he doesn't believe anyone could survive. He heard 1 gun shot after teargas was thrown into cabin. FD on scene but no acting due to uncertainty. They have speculation that there's a minor chance he may have escaped to some sort of horse barn or enclosure. Not believed he did.
Edit: I'm seeing multiple law enforcement vehicles coming down.
The San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department said they believe the suspect is him, but is not confirmed. They also stated they know for sure he is "inside" the cabin, so it'll be interesting to see how this plays out.
Edit: There has been a body found in the charred remains of the cabin. It has yet to be identified, but police have a strong belief that it is the ex-cop.
Edit #2: The Los Angeles City Mayor just confirmed the body found inside was the ex-cop. The situation is now over.
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LAPD just stated the fire is still burning as of 5 minutes ago (8:06PM), cabin has not been searched and no body has been found and/or identified. All other information is false.
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LAPD just stated the fire is still burning as of 5 minutes ago (8:06PM), cabin has not been searched and no body has been found and/or identified. All other information is false.
I just heard from the news on the same channel that a body was confirmed found, but was not officially identified, unlike the previous "confirmed" report of it being the ex-cop.
These people really need to get their crap together and report the correct information. Even official sources are feeding the wrong stuff to the public.
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Honestly i wish he has escaped in the fire.
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Funny how still aint confirmed iys him at all
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCdqybEfy9w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCdqybEfy9w)
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So, the fire was purposely set by the police hoping he'd run out and they could all shoot him dead.. Honestly they had like 100 cops, SWAT, FBI, even the army and they still couldn't get the job done within police regulations.
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So, the fire was purposely set by the police hoping he'd run out and they could all shoot him dead.. Honestly they had like 100 cops, SWAT, FBI, even the army and they still couldn't get the job done within police regulations.
To be honest you would do all the can if you had the opportunity to catch someone who is one of the most wanted men in America providing that you knew it was him only inside.
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Funny how still aint confirmed iys him at all
It will take some time for them to be sure. They will run multiple tests just to be certain it wasn't staged with someone else's body...especially given the ex-cop's Special Operations experience in the military.
So, the fire was purposely set by the police hoping he'd run out and they could all shoot him dead.. Honestly they had like 100 cops, SWAT, FBI, even the army and they still couldn't get the job done within police regulations.
The video Elite posted doesn't prove that. This seems to be a misunderstanding. Listening to the radio, they called in the FD, (also known as Fire), when a fire had started as a result of their raid of the building. It was likely a smoke grenade which set it off upon SWAT entering. I've seen smoke grenades and tear gas go off before in buildings during raids and have it catch them on fire. What people fail to often realize is that these are still explosives. They just don't shoot out shrapnel everywhere when they explode. Same thing with flash grenades.
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no one even confirmed it was him inside the cabin ever
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no one even confirmed it was him inside the cabin ever
It will take some time for them to be sure. They will run multiple tests just to be certain it wasn't staged with someone else's body...especially given the ex-cop's Special Operations experience in the military.
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maybe they'll dump his body in the ocean like bin laden
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maybe they'll dump his body in the ocean like bin laden
I really doubt that.
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BBC News just said the law enforcement are very confident it is the man they are looking for and also said the shootout is over, so he must be dead.
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BBC News just said the law enforcement are very confident it is the man they are looking for and also said the shootout is over, so he must be dead.
He is. I think the news there is a little late. The incident ended about 12-14 hours ago. They found a burned body in the charred remains of the cabin, stating they believe it was the ex-cop. However they are going to run tests to make sure before saying either way.
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He is. I think the news there is a little late. The incident ended about 12-14 hours ago. They found a burned body in the charred remains of the cabin, stating they believe it was the ex-cop. However they are going to run tests to make sure before saying either way.
Well yeah the UK is like 8(?) hours infront of the US, suprised it was even on British news at all. :lol:
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Well yeah the UK is like 8(?) hours infront of the US, suprised it was even on British news at all. :lol:
That's why we have American correspondents who live in the US and give news to us real-time...
I think the news there is a little late.
...who aren't very awake.
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Well yeah the UK is like 8(?) hours infront of the US, suprised it was even on British news at all. :lol:
The incident was so big, it made national news here. Because it was happening just prior to the U.S. President's State Of The Union address, all the major national news stations had brought it up, promising to provide coverage after, should a resolution be met. Unfortunately though, many of them forgot to, even though it resolved before the end of the address.
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https://twitter.com/LAPDHQ/status/301529848785022976
This says all.
He wasn't there in the first place. Calling it now.
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He wasn't there in the first place. Calling it now.
Read it.
"#LAPD HAS NOT CONFIRMED OR MADE ANY STATEMENTS REGARDING A BODY BEING LOCATED, REMOVED OR IDENTIFIED FROM THE LOCATION IN SAN BERNARDINO."
Basically they are saying that they cannot confirm it is him yet. It said nothing about the body definitely not being him nor did it confirm it.
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Read it.
"#LAPD HAS NOT CONFIRMED OR MADE ANY STATEMENTS REGARDING A BODY BEING LOCATED, REMOVED OR IDENTIFIED FROM THE LOCATION IN SAN BERNARDINO."
Basically they are saying that they cannot confirm it is him yet. It said nothing about the body definitely not being him nor did it confirm it.
#LAPD HAS NOT CONFIRMED OR MADE ANY STATEMENTS REGARDING A BODY BEING LOCATED
A BODY BEING LOCATED
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Basically saying they are waiting for more information before they release it to the public.
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Exactly what Jacobc30 said. They are not confirming or denying anything because it is not their investigation. They can't make any statements going either way until an authorized, official public release of information is ready to be given.
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>yfw when it's not even him
>yfw one of the maids escaped because it was his accomplice
>yfw the maid they do find is someone's wife
April 29, 1992 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OtmKwIEn9s#)
change year to 2013
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>yfw when it's not even him
>yfw one of the maids escaped because it was his accomplice
>yfw the maid they do find is someone's wife
April 29, 1992 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OtmKwIEn9s#)
change year to 2013
This had absolutely nothing to do with racism or police brutality. The ex-cop was fired in a completely separate incident that he went crazy over years later. Yes, I don't agree with his firing, but the entire situation is no excuse for any of his actions after.
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This had absolutely nothing to do with racism or police brutality. The ex-cop was fired in a completely separate incident that he went crazy over years later. Yes, I don't agree with his firing, but the entire situation is no excuse for any of his actions after.
I'm speaking in regards to Dorner's supposed corpse and the sequence of events leading up to the cabin fire.
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I'm speaking in regards to Dorner's supposed corpse and the sequence of events leading up to the cabin fire.
So was I. Your video held no relevance to that at all.
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So was I. Your video held no relevance to that at all.
I was implying that if whoever was suspected to be in the cabin was someone other than Dorner (read: one of the two maids) inside the house getting burned, then events such as those that took place in Los Angeles beginning on April 29th, 1992 might occur.
I also implied that Dorner might have had an accomplice with him. He may also have had a hostage with him, whom he perhaps left inside the cabin that was set ablaze. The hostage would have likely been someone related to the LAPD, "I never had the opportunity to have a family of my own, I’m terminating yours." (pg. 10 manifesto).
The lapse in time between the Officers losing Dorner off the main highway and the "standoff" at the second cabin would allow him sufficient time to initiate his plot of having the LAPD murder* someone related to them, thinking it is Dorne and for his accomplice to escape. *Nearly 100% of the time when tear gas canisters are shot into houses, the house burns to the ground; the police don't allow the fire department to extinguish the blaze.
And who is to say the supposed events of the shooting, chase, and standoff are completely true? The LAPD cannot event confirm that it was, in fact, Dorner who was inside the cabin?
>hollywood is mad because they couldn't think of this script.
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And who is to say the supposed events of the shooting, chase, and standoff are completely true? The LAPD cannot event confirm that it was, in fact, Dorner who was inside the cabin?
1. Video and radio evidence.
2. Please see the following quote:
It will take some time for them to be sure. They will run multiple tests just to be certain it wasn't staged with someone else's body...especially given the ex-cop's Special Operations experience in the military.
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It's over.
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/02/14/officials-remains-found-in-burned-out-cabin-are-that-of-christopher-dorner/ (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/02/14/officials-remains-found-in-burned-out-cabin-are-that-of-christopher-dorner/)
This was just a stupid move by the cops.
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It's over.
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/02/14/officials-remains-found-in-burned-out-cabin-are-that-of-christopher-dorner/ (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/02/14/officials-remains-found-in-burned-out-cabin-are-that-of-christopher-dorner/)
This was just a stupid move by the cops.
Gah, you beat me to it.
Here's my source to double-confirm:
http://www.sacbee.com/2013/02/14/5190472/mistakes-ultimately-ended-ex-la.html (http://www.sacbee.com/2013/02/14/5190472/mistakes-ultimately-ended-ex-la.html)
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SWAT, FBI, even the army couldn't kill him so they set him on fire. :lol:
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>believing american news
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This was just a stupid move by the cops.
He's probably better dead to be honest.
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They just confirmed the ex-cop died of a single gunshot wound to the head.
The source, as well as other interesting information, can be found here:
http://www.sacbee.com/2013/02/15/5194292/dorner-was-hiding-in-nearby-condo.html (http://www.sacbee.com/2013/02/15/5194292/dorner-was-hiding-in-nearby-condo.html)
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They just confirmed the ex-cop died of a single gunshot wound to the head.
I'm taking it suicide then?
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I'm taking it suicide then?
That they haven't confirmed yet. They have also yet to state what caused the fire officially.
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They have also yet to state what caused the fire officially.
A "I want a promotion so I'm going to kill the most wanted man in America right now" rookie cop.
His manifesto makes quite an interesting read and if what he has outlined in it are true then I understand why he would be compelled to do this, not saying that what he has done is the right way to do it.
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The way I see it:
Cops set the cabin on fire, he either faced running out to a hail of gun fire from law enforcement or being cooked alive, he probibly decided to shoot himself in the end before he got BBQed or 200 bullet holes in him.
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A "I want a promotion so I'm going to kill the most wanted man in America right now" rookie cop.
His manifesto makes quite an interesting read and if what he has outlined in it are true then I understand why he would be compelled to do this, not saying that what he has done is the right way to do it.
I believe his firing was also wrong, but the way he reacted to it didn't justify it in any way. Two wrongs don't make a right. He made quite a few more than just two...