Argonath RPG - A World of its own
Community => News and Announcements => Topic started by: Kojak on August 24, 2013, 02:15:45 pm
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Since May of this year we have been reviewing the current admin team; performance and conduct have been checked as well as activity and within the next 24 hours the admin reform will be complete.
Many admins will be leaving the team during this time but it should be noted that none of the existing team are being removed because we consider them to be poor admins; in most cases it is a matter of activity and with the rest it is down to the very high expectations we have, this means that those who remain are admins who are active, professional, conscientious, knowledgeable, experienced and diligent.
When the reform is complete we will assess the need for new staff and we may then consider recruitment; if you decide to apply, or have already applied, note that we have raised the standard even higher by undergoing this process and you will be expected to meet that standard if you wish to join the team.
Kojak
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nobody cares
I care, and please watch your attitude. If you have nothing usefull to say, then do not say it.
Thanks for posting this Kojak, now some more people will have understanding in why some of the admins are not in the team anymore.
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active, professional, conscientious, knowledgeable, experienced and diligent.
So in more then two years, that I was an admin, I wasn't?
I hardly received a complain, yet it seems that NOTIFIED inactivity is such a big problem.. why not removed the inactive manages and inactive community leaders also?
They're inactive for up to a year.. even more..
If you only fire/kick the admins and moderators, I have serious doubt about this system, and the HQ..
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So in more then two years, that I was an admin, I wasn't?
I hardly received a complain, yet it seems that NOTIFIED inactivity is such a big problem.. why not removed the inactive manages and inactive community leaders also?
They're inactive for up to a year.. even more..
If you only fire/kick the admins and moderators, I have serious doubt about this system, and the HQ..
yes
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Quality over quantity, enough said.
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So in more then two years, that I was an admin, I wasn't?
I hardly received a complain, yet it seems that NOTIFIED inactivity is such a big problem.. why not removed the inactive manages and inactive community leaders also?
They're inactive for up to a year.. even more..
If you only fire/kick the admins and moderators, I have serious doubt about this system, and the HQ..
true words.. why not remove cutt3r? legolas? aragorn?
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this means that those who remain are admins who are active, professional, conscientious, knowledgeable, experienced and diligent.
I'm wondering how do you think to keep server secured with only 3 admins.
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I'm wondering how do you think to keep server secured with only 3 admins.
Petar, Do you think there are only 3 Admins, So you are wrong. NO!
There are more Admins, and from now, they will be picking more admins from the applications.
As I think so!
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Let's see how this will turn out.
Also:
(http://www.blogcdn.com/wow.joystiq.com/media/2008/05/zach_weakest_link.jpg)
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Fine, let's fire Aragron geniouses... No more Argonath, good. Though, I kinda agree with Petar...
EDIT: Why are you so mean, Leon ? :'D
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Leon, You also leaving, No I need YO'.
xD
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Everyone not having a clue of how Argonath administration looks like or how it is done may post whatever bullcrap they want, this is not a 'Please whine here' topic.
If this change is good/bad, I don't know. But I trust the HQ, you should too.
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Petar, Do you think there are only 3 Admins, So you are wrong. NO!
There are more Admins, and from now, they will be picking more admins from the applications.
As I think so!
What he is saying is, that there are only like 3 admins with all of those qualities. (I do not support this vision but I'm explaining it.)
Leon, You also leaving, No I need YO'.
xD
He's not leaving -,-
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Everyone not having a clue of how Argonath administration looks like or how it is done may post whatever bullcrap they want, this is not a 'Please whine here' topic.
If this change is good/bad, I don't know. But I trust the HQ you should too.
Refer to my post.. I know what I'm talking about..
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Interesting, Interesting... Can't wait to see our "new admins" ^^
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But I trust the HQ, you should too.
You probably never had conversation with that nor you saw how do they talk.
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Refer to my post.. I know what I'm talking about..
I know very well that you would be one of them who knows, but I did not point out your post, you were not alone in posting.
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Let The Hunger Games begin!
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Guys, calm down.. there must be a reasonable explanation for all of this.
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Doggi, no matter what the situation was / is like.. I would strongly advise you to keep it to yourself...
Sharing info from inside the team never turns out good.
Even if many admins are dismissed from the team, the information about the team should stay confidential.
If you decide to moan in public, even if you think you're right.. even if you are right... is a sign of your weakness.
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Guys, calm down.. there must be a reasonable explanation for all of this.
Yes, the explanation is clear in the first post of this topic.
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So in more then two years, that I was an admin, I wasn't?
I hardly received a complain, yet it seems that NOTIFIED inactivity is such a big problem.. why not removed the inactive manages and inactive community leaders also?
They're inactive for up to a year.. even more..
If you only fire/kick the admins and moderators, I have serious doubt about this system, and the HQ..
You have done real good for the community, you will be missed as an Admin.
Petar, Do you think there are only 3 Admins, So you are wrong. NO!
There are more Admins, and from now, they will be picking more admins from the applications.
As I think so!
Leon, You also leaving, No I need YO'.
xD
Enough asslicking for today son.
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Is Leon out of the admin team? Because if this is the case, I'm strongly opposed against this move.
Although, let's see what the future offers us, no prejudices from my side.
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Doggi, no matter what the situation was / is like.. I would strongly advise you to keep it to yourself...
Sharing info from inside the team never turns out good.
Even if many admins are dismissed from the team, the information about the team should stay confident.
If you decide to moan in public, even if you think you're right.. even if you are right... is a sign of your weakness.
I Dont agree these terms that written by you,its a free forum to share your ideas and things , he aint no provoking or showing disrespectfully anyone he just tellin his idea.
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The motive behind reformation is only desirable. With it, the HQ is trying to improve efficiency regarding administrating.
I have been administrating since August 2011 with small breaks, its been a great ride.
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My respect and gratitude to the ones who served along the way.
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Things change. The administration is not an exception. Some admins have left the administration team, some players are about to join it. Every admin during all these years, contributed with their hard work, to build the server that we all love playing in and have fun. We all should be grateful for it.
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Doggi, no matter what the situation was / is like.. I would strongly advise you to keep it to yourself...
Sharing info from inside the team never turns out good.
Even if many admins are dismissed from the team, the information about the team should stay confident.
If you decide to moan in public, even if you think you're right.. even if you are right... is a sign of your weakness.
It's no secret that most of the managers and community leaders are inactive, last time I checked, we still have a freedom of speech, and are free to express our opinions.. unless this now is a dictatorship..
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With regard to the HQ, there are a number of members who have earned their position by the effort they put in to the community, and their title reflects that more than their current activity.
Having said that, the main reason of making management trials is to ensure that we have an active HQ, as we are aware it is impossible to ask activity of our admin team if there is no leadership.
For those who are so jaded they wish to shit on the team in this topic, there is a self-ban feature.
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It's no secret that most of the managers and community leaders are inactive, last time I checked, we still have a freedom of speech, and are free to express our opinions.. unless this now is a dictatorship..
What you are forgetting is that Argonath is a 'dictatorship' as you describe it considering there is 3 persons that owns the community and you are allowed to play here for free without paying anything.
You are free to have whatever opinions you want to have, and i understand that this is not fun for you. However, i encourage you to think twice before posting as anything you post might bounce back on you in the future if you want to try to join the admin team again.
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It's no secret that most of the managers and community leaders are inactive, last time I checked, we still have a freedom of speech, and are free to express our opinions.. unless this now is a dictatorship..
Didn't you accept to keep admin stuff confidential?
It's not a secret that some managers and CLs are inactive. Though you not only point out this matter but also you have been recenty moaning about your dismissal. Try to be above all this and accept the decision with your head up high....
However, how you are acting is up to you. I won't force you to change, you've got your own brain.
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Let's just see what the future reserves...
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Interesting changes, let's see what the future holds. Sad to see you go Doggi, you were an awesome admin.
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we still have a freedom of speech, and are free to express our opinions.. unless this now is a dictatorship..
Unless you're winning an argument.
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Let's see what the future holds.
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I wonder how come many people moan about a change which is meant to be improving the administration side.
Consequently, it means that new chances to become a moderator will be given to all those who we believe to be
active enough to perform an efficient administration job. Plus, rulebreaks will undergo to a more accurate observation.
In the first post, it is clear that those who will be kicked out of the administration team are not out because of their
inability to perform the administration job, on the contrary it is a matter of activity which led the HQ to take such decision.
Thank the HQ, instead of moaning.
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To those who have been fired in the past, and to those who might experience it in the future.
As humans we tend to overlook our own faults, and move responsibility away. Unfortunately current society fully supports this by training people not to make decisions and giving them opportunity to find other culprits as them selves.
If you get warned or fired it is vey easy to shoot in defense mode and find others who in your eyes performed worse and were not fired or reprimanded. You may question the ability of leaders to see all, especially if you believe they do not have the activirty required to see the errors you believe to have seen in others.
When you do this you over look one very important factor. What happened is addressed to you, and has no relation to what others did or do. Instead of looking at faults of any other and convincing yourself you were treated unfair, look in the mirror. Let the reasons given to warn or fire you sound in your head, and try to find acceptance of them. Then see if there is a way you can overcome these reasons, if you wish to work towards a return. Or accept them and play without having the extra burden of having to protect the server.
We are aware that nobody that was fired has ever purposely tried to mess things up, though some got so embroiled in anger they did so after being fired.
Every player who was part of the team did so to help out the server, and has tried to do their very best in whatever way they believed to be good.
Someone getting fired because of behaviour there for is a failure of the leaders. Even if they did their best to keep someone within the lines of admin work they might fail, and it would never be a success to have to release someone from their duties.
However reasons vary. First of all apart from owners we can not expect our members to keep interest in the same game for ever. Players grow, their lives change and that comes with change in time spent on games in general. Thet is nothing unusual, and it is up to us to ensure enough new blood is coming in to replace the old.
Another thing is that most players are in an age where their character undegoes many changes. There may be times they suddenly wish to oppose authority and create havoc, even if they are aware it may cost them. If it costs them in our community, we always hope they learn something from it in real life. After all if you mess up here its not really a big thing, but if you mess up as much in real life it will haunt you for the rest of it.
The first step towards improvement is acceptance.
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Unless you're winning an argument.
Hahah
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I wonder how come many people moan about a change which is meant to be improving the administration side.
Consequently, it means that new chances to become a moderator will be given to all those who we believe to be
active enough to perform an efficient administration job. Plus, rulebreaks will undergo to a more accurate observation.
In the first post, it is clear that those who will be kicked out of the administration team are not out because of their
inability to perform the administration job, on the contrary it is a matter of activity which led the HQ to take such decision.
Thank the HQ, instead of moaning.
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I was too lazy to write that but, thank you Markz for pointing it out! :P
Oh and, hi Darling. <3 (to iMarkz)
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Thank the HQ, instead of moaning.
enough said.
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Hahah
Account marked for future ban.
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It's about damn time too, no offence.
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Account marked for future ban.
So I can't have a laugh? Ok.
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Thank you for this update Kojak.
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So I can't have a laugh? Ok.
Just holding you a mirror.
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Account marked for future ban.
LOLOL
Btw sad that Doggi isn't admin anymore because he was doing it great! =)
Btw2 GANDALF fix smileys for forum! :D
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LOLOL
Btw sad that Doggi isn't admin anymore because he was doing it great! =)
Btw2 GANDALF fix smileys for forum! :D
As much as Emmet may have been warned for laughing in all seriousness, you just did the same.
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Great that you guys considering and fully-fill the removal of inactivity administrations. Since it may cause problem if they are not up to date and such!
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To those who have been fired in the past, and to those who might experience it in the future.
As humans we tend to overlook our own faults, and move responsibility away. Unfortunately current society fully supports this by training people not to make decisions and giving them opportunity to find other culprits as them selves.
If you get warned or fired it is vey easy to shoot in defense mode and find others who in your eyes performed worse and were not fired or reprimanded. You may question the ability of leaders to see all, especially if you believe they do not have the activirty required to see the errors you believe to have seen in others.
When you do this you over look one very important factor. What happened is addressed to you, and has no relation to what others did or do. Instead of looking at faults of any other and convincing yourself you were treated unfair, look in the mirror. Let the reasons given to warn or fire you sound in your head, and try to find acceptance of them. Then see if there is a way you can overcome these reasons, if you wish to work towards a return. Or accept them and play without having the extra burden of having to protect the server.
We are aware that nobody that was fired has ever purposely tried to mess things up, though some got so embroiled in anger they did so after being fired.
Every player who was part of the team did so to help out the server, and has tried to do their very best in whatever way they believed to be good.
Someone getting fired because of behaviour there for is a failure of the leaders. Even if they did their best to keep someone within the lines of admin work they might fail, and it would never be a success to have to release someone from their duties.
However reasons vary. First of all apart from owners we can not expect our members to keep interest in the same game for ever. Players grow, their lives change and that comes with change in time spent on games in general. Thet is nothing unusual, and it is up to us to ensure enough new blood is coming in to replace the old.
Another thing is that most players are in an age where their character undegoes many changes. There may be times they suddenly wish to oppose authority and create havoc, even if they are aware it may cost them. If it costs them in our community, we always hope they learn something from it in real life. After all if you mess up here its not really a big thing, but if you mess up as much in real life it will haunt you for the rest of it.
The first step towards improvement is acceptance.
I remember the feelings I had last year on the issue.. (whoever remembers good, those who don't please don't revive it.. :x) When I was kicked straight for something.. However, I accepted the fact and I realized my mistake but I never turned against the community.. it was my fault back then getting kicked, and I worked my way back in, earning trust once again..
I am not sure if I will stay in team or be fired due to inactivity(Even though reasonably due to irl health status), however I believe every decision HQ takes, is for the better environment of the admin team, other than that I am curious to see the changes, even if I even see my self in those once again..
TL;DR Never give up on people or things you support, You will always need them sooner or later.
As I've always supported; United we stand, Divided we fall! (As a community in total)
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I remember the feelings I had last year on the issue.. (whoever remembers good, those who don't please don't revive it.. :x) When I was kicked straight for something.. However, I accepted the fact and I realized my mistake but I never turned against the community.. it was my fault back then getting kicked, and I worked my way back in, earning trust once again..
I am not sure if I will stay in team or be fired due to inactivity(Even though reasonably due to irl health status), however I believe every decision HQ takes, is for the better environment of the admin team, other than that I am curious to see the changes, even if I even see my self in those once again..
TL;DR Never give up on people or things you support, You will always need them sooner or later.
As I've always supported; United we stand, Divided we fall! (As a community in total)
Hopefully we will still see you, since you're a great admin. But of course, the HQ is deciding.
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It'll be sad seeing some of the admins go. There's no question they all worked hard and devoted their personal time, their playing time to us and the only thing we, players, should be doing is saying thank you. Although I'm sure those changes will only bring good results. More active moderators/administrators equals better playing experience for everybody.
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welcome to the club! :)
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I hardly received a complain.
Wrong.
It was time for some cleaning.
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Good luck, to all who are on the edge! (You know what i mean..)
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It's about damn time too, no offence.
Why, because they let a monkey in? :cry:
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Wrong.
It was time for some cleaning.
You have no knowledge on if and how often any admin has been reported. Maybe you filed one yourself, but that could classify as 'hardly'.
HQ does not out information about quantity or validity of any reports, except direct communication about the report you filed.
That people say they have reported or will report someone is usually not proof that they actually did.
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I'm satisfied with this improvement, I remember the last admin reformation in 2008 or 2009. It improved the administration team, even though it was hard for some people to accept. In the end it's good to fresh up once in a while, I think Argonath needs it now - as a boost to get back 'on track'.
To all admins being removed from the administration team, my advice is to keep respect for yourself. In the past it's been proven that removed admins turn into 'dicks' - I've been one of these myself, untill you realise it's not even usefull to criticize current admins and take the shit out of everyone.
If removed, that's for a reason they will gladly tell you. Don't see it as being kicked but another chance to improve yourself on a HIGHER level. Being an administrator mostly give you the feeling that you're doing 'well', as you have the job already! But being removed should only be a motivation to get yourself on a HIGHER level.
I wish everyone good luck with the reformation and hope the hard working admins will stay in the team. As well for the possible future recruitment, everyone good luck - be yourself, don't play an act and don't suck up. If you do that and you got the qualities, you will be definately in!
OiOi!
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I hope we will meet new, fresh and also active boys/girls with "The holy red name" from now on...
Good luck everyone (for those one who already applied, and those one who will apply).
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When I become admin....
Sorry, I couldn't finish my sentence, was laughing too much.
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You have no knowledge on if and how often any admin has been reported. Maybe you filed one yourself, but that could classify as 'hardly'.
HQ does not out information about quantity or validity of any reports, except direct communication about the report you filed.
That people say they have reported or will report someone is usually not proof that they actually did.
Doggi has reported more than once with valid reasons. The fact he starts 'moaning' in this topic is a typical example that he shouldn't be an admin.
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Doggi has reported more than once with valid reasons. The fact he starts 'moaning' in this topic is a typical example that he shouldn't be an admin.
I don't need a lesson from you.
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Doggi has reported more than once with valid reasons. The fact he starts 'moaning' in this topic is a typical example that he shouldn't be an admin.
If you think that he is/was a bad admin, you know/knew where to report him. And thats not in his topic. You are saying Doggi is moaning in this topic, but you are doing exactly the same. So please, keep it nice and just read what Kojak said and respond on that.
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Also, seems that my posts got a little misinterpreted.. or I wrote them in a wrong way.. either way, I accept that I got removed, but not on the way I got removed.
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You are saying Doggi is moaning in this topic, but you are doing exactly the same.
I answered Gandalf.
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Doggi has reported more than once with valid reasons. The fact he starts 'moaning' in this topic is a typical example that he shouldn't be an admin.
Even if you think so - this is not the place. Doggi is upset, which i can fully understand. He was removed for reasons i can also fully understand. If you can do it, try to at least respect the help Doggi has given to our community.
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true words.. why not remove cutt3r? legolas? aragorn?
Beacuse those guys built Argonath from zero and deserve thier positions maybe? they are very old and not teenagers that have ton of time to play SAMP.
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Beacuse those guys built Argonath from zero and deserve thier positions maybe? they are very old and not teenagers that have ton of time to play SAMP.
Don't even respond to that guy, he's obviously up to no good, lol.
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Doggi has reported more than once with valid reasons. The fact he starts 'moaning' in this topic is a typical example that he shouldn't be an admin.
About any other report than your own you have zero knowledge of numbers or validity. There for even if you have had a report given feedback as valid, do not accuse the admin of getting a "lot of reports". You may be the only one who reported.
I was reported myself more often than Doggi.
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I look forward to seeing some fresh new admins.
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It seems like you (HQ) have been doing a big and hard work with this, I hope (and think) it improves the administration team :)
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It is easy to judge when these changes don't affect you. I'm kinda laughing my ass off while reading some of the posts made by the admins that managed to claim their title through the reformation. You're all saying how we should appreciate that HQ has got rid off inactive staff and that if they did it they did it with a good reason. But I am more than one hundred percent sure that if you were to be in the situation Doggi was in, where he was one of the most loyal, active and appreciated by the community admin, served for two years and then notified the HQ of his inactivity due to problems he had IRL, and then he finds out he's discharge and has "Uncapable" marked on his face, you would say exactly what Doggi said. Out of the most things out there in the world, hypocracy is what i hate most.
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If one is unaware of the full situation I would advise against trying to turn this topic into a discussion about as to why an administrator was relieved of his duties within the community.
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Change is good.
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A change is needed IMO, hope it's the right decision.
Edit : If Leon_Arallian leaves the admin team i'm leaving the server :P.
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i think its right on the other side
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If one is unaware of the full situation I would advise against trying to turn this topic into a discussion about as to why an administrator was relieved of his duties within the community.
All im trying to say is - it's easy to speak when you're not negatively affected by the changes, on-going events and so on.
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It is easy to judge when these changes don't affect you. I'm kinda laughing my ass off while reading some of the posts made by the admins that managed to claim their title through the reformation. You're all saying how we should appreciate that HQ has got rid off inactive staff and that if they did it they did it with a good reason. But I am more than one hundred percent sure that if you were to be in the situation Doggi was in, where he was one of the most loyal, active and appreciated by the community admin, served for two years and then notified the HQ of his inactivity due to problems he had IRL, and then he finds out he's discharge and has "Uncapable" marked on his face, you would say exactly what Doggi said. Out of the most things out there in the world, hypocracy is what i hate most.
I would not say that you should appreciate the effort that HQ has gone to on this, this is our job and we do not do it to receive the thanks of the community. This announcement is to inform the community as many will wonder why certain admins have been removed from their positions, your personal opinions about our actions are not my concern.
It is evident from your post that you do not actually know why Doggi was removed so I recommend you do not speculate.
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In addition to what Kojak said in regards to your post Max, all admins who replied there, replied without knowledge of their future.
I mean, noone knows who's gonna stay and who's gonna be out. And our posts here do not matter, since the decisions had already been taken.
So right now, there are no admins "who managed to claim their title through the reformation". The decisions are to come in the following hours.
Doggi was removed beside the reformation, as far as I know. However, this is a thing that should stay between the HQ and Doggi only.
It's none of our business.
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Guys, why are you making a big deal out of it? It is true that it has been years since the last SA:MP Administration reconstruction, but it's necessary for another one to keep the SA:MP Administration active & fresh in their guidance and enforcement of the rules for future generations.
To those who has been 'fired', you shouldn't take it personally... think of it as another lesson in your time on Argonath to improve yourself. I've noticed in the last reconstruction that 'some' admins showed their true faces who couldn't accept it and they benefited NONE from it. We simply have to trust the SA:MP management's guidance and judgment, especially our own leaders who have fought tooth & nail to keep the community alive for over 7 years. We should never question their judgement and understand their actions.
Please take the time to think carefully about this and understand the reasoning behind it, and support the decisions taken to ensure that things run smoothly instead of attacking them just simply because their decisions doesn't satisfy you. It happens, and we all have to endure it.
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I am not leaving. if that's clear enough.
If you're wondering about my post; It was just a reference to the show "The weakest link" which resembles this situation in a way.
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LeonLeaks
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The admin reform is now complete, so now a warning. The last time we did this in 2009 we had reports of ex-admins being taunted for being removed; anyone who is found to be doing that will be banned.
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And, shall we have any idea on who's still an admin and who's not ?
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You're gonna see in-game... Those who have been removed lost their forum title.
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Well,I guess it's time to see the new admins in duty.
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Thank you for your effort put in working for Argonath community, Greg.
I still remember how you came as a new player, when I gave you a ride from the middle of nowhere in Bone County.
Since then I've been proud of you. And I still am, man! Thanks for what you've been doing.
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Don't expect any new moderator for now. We are not even discussing it yet. We'll see how it'll go with the current staff members first.
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Thank you for your effort put in working for Argonath community, Greg.
I still remember how you came as a new player, when I gave you a ride from the middle of nowhere in Bone County.
Since then I've been proud of you. And I still am, man! Thanks for what you've been doing.
You're seriously the best, Flame.
I'll miss you - take care, will ya... <3
Thanks for introducing me here!!
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Don't expect any new moderator for now. We are not even discussing it yet. We'll see how it'll go with the current staff members first.
Was hoping for a new faces,but okay.
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I have been proud to work along with awesome colleagues.
I hope, a day, to see you back in ride to work together once again.
Thank you for the effort you have put in game and out of it.
If you were a part of the administration team, it means there was a reason and do not put yourself down if you do not belong to it anymore. Just try to get that position back, incentive yourself to manage getting it.
Good luck with your future plains.
iMarkz.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0zdqeivGaU
Good luck for future plans whoever got kicked out.
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Maintenance is necessary to keep the quality top notch. :)
Y'all jus be making fuss over nothin
This would definitely make the A team more effective.
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I'm sure this will disappoint many players however I hope we can see these admins come back a few months down the line.
We have had some bad experiences with admins who were removed, so have a break, use a bit of time to reflect on what you can do now to improve and hopefully the next time you are seen on the admin team we will have renewed strength.
Good luck to those who were removed and those who are still here, since now there will be even more pressures.
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Thanks for your input in this community Gregersen, you are a great guy and you did your job! I hope this doesn't make you leave this community, as you have a wonderful personality - which is a good addition to everyone here.
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Thanks Gregersen, I don't know what happened and I really don't care. I respected you and I'll hope you will stay. Thanks also to the other members of the administration who everyone do/did the best to serve this community.
Thanks.
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Thanks Gregersen, you deserve a message for what you have done and what you've could better, but i do not judge you!
I respect you and hope you will stay with us!
And this does not go out to only gregersen, everyone that was an admin in the past, You did a good job, i dont care if you got removed, you were once appointed as an admin for a reason!
Thank you.
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Was a nice trip, I don't have anything to hide, you all know that I was inactive this year due to work, and my health. Other than that, I enjoyed every single time I answered any report, and besides the incident that I was kicked for last year, I was never punished for my /aduty acts. Good luck to the remaining administration team! :)
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Was a nice trip, I don't have anything to hide, you all know that I was inactive this year due to work, and my health. Other than that, I enjoyed every single time I answered any report, and besides the incident that I was kicked for last year, I was never punished for my /aduty acts. Good luck to the remaining administration team! :)
Rocky! Take care dude and hope to see you back soon.
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Well this is sad since you were one of the very few admins I actually liked, Rock. Good luck with your health mate!
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To all the administrators that have been dismissed;
It's sad that our paths would have to separate in this manner, but irregardless; we've had the greatest time together. Where several events occured, and where everyone gave their all to provide a stable gameplay for all the others upon Argonath.
Goodbye, and you will be missed. We do meet upon the server, on which we hope that we'll still be friends, whatever happens.
The ones that remain, will remember your presence and contributions. And they will work as always; With full confidence and interest.
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Good bye and good luck guys.
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It's kinda strange to see that those that worked the hardest in my opinion got dismissed. Odd.
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It's kinda strange to see that those that worked the hardest in my opinion got dismissed. Odd.
No one said they didn't work hard. Most of them have been dismissed due to inactivity.
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Well-... it has been a hell of a ride. Perhaps once in the future I'll be able to be part of this wonderful family again.
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Which I said before, I can only see good news about this... People which are not active does not deserve to have such privilege. Same goes for abusers.. So it's just fair
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Well-... it has been a hell of a ride. Perhaps once in the future I'll be able to be part of this wonderful family again.
ahh damn seskom!
Hope you will stay with us, and when my pc is fixed to roleplay some crazy shit with you once again!
Take care.
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ahh damn seskom!
Hope you will stay with us, and when my pc is fixed to roleplay some crazy shit with you once again!
Take care.
Sounds good :) Will be looking foward to it.
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Sup Gandalf
Good to see you still rocking to the beat ; )
Long time no see
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Take care to those who were removed, you were great admins, and it was a pleasure to work with you.
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As said by other admins, it is sad to see you go but we wish you all good-luck in whatever you do next within Argonath.
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Can I have manager rank on Sa-mp. I am active. I can also do much hydra ramming dd games. I have experience from a wide range of games and real world on managing and willing to lean.
Kind Regards,
Monte.
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Can I have manager rank on Sa-mp. I am active. I can also do much hydra ramming dd games. I have experience from a wide range of games and real world on managing and willing to lean.
Kind Regards,
Monte.
I belive that they do not simply make people managers on request.
You can however apply for a moderator position :)
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?board=232.0
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Can I have manager rank on Sa-mp. I am active. I can also do much hydra ramming dd games. I have experience from a wide range of games and real world on managing and willing to lean.
Kind Regards,
Monte.
Be [Rstar]Curse first then u can b instant manager okee?
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Hopefully new admins will be active during my timezone, there are so many rule breakers now days.
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Hopefully new admins will be active during my timezone, there are so many rule breakers now days.
In the american time zone are in deed a lot of rulebreakers. Getting rather annoying to play at night
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In the american time zone are in deed a lot of rulebreakers. Getting rather annoying to play at night
Really? I'm playing mostly at nights around 1-7 am and there isn't that many rulebreaking.. I actually enjoy relaxing and chatting in Public Chat and I don't hear any moaning about rulebreaking or anything.
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Really? I'm playing mostly at nights around 1-7 am and there isn't that many rulebreaking.. I actually enjoy relaxing and chatting in Public Chat and I don't hear any moaning about rulebreaking or anything.
You always afk .. <3
No but I notice more rulebreaks at night when no admins on and available (flaming ramming hacking )
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Really? I'm playing mostly at nights around 1-7 am and there isn't that many rulebreaking.. I actually enjoy relaxing and chatting in Public Chat and I don't hear any moaning about rulebreaking or anything.
You always afk .. <3
YepxD
No but I notice more rulebreaks at night when no admins on and available (flaming ramming hacking )
Indeed:/
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You always afk .. <3
No but I notice more rulebreaks at night when no admins on and available (flaming ramming hacking )
You are right i get my self DM'ed twice at the night because i am playing mostly from 14:00 the evading to 06-07 the morning
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Finally. That's all I can say.
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If this change is good/bad, I don't know. But I trust the HQ, you should too.
^ That
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i am mostly always active on America Times. and sometimes i see alot of dmers on and i even get dmed sometimes. but no admins online. i try to call admin (EliteTerm) on msn to get on and check it out. but sometimes he isnt on so i have to try my best to stay away from them. and Goodluck to the new faces thats going to be coming in (goodluck to my self too if i get accpeted) and Good bye to all the admins thats fired from the Team but hope to see you in game.
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Sad to see those who were removed, but change is needed sometimes. Thank you to all who served and good luck in your future endeavors.
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Sad to see those who were removed, but change is needed sometimes. Thank you to all who served and good luck in your future endeavors.
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i am mostly always active on America Times. and sometimes i see alot of dmers on and i even get dmed sometimes. but no admins online. i try to call admin (EliteTerm) on msn to get on and check it out. but sometimes he isnt on so i have to try my best to stay away from them. and Goodluck to the new faces thats going to be coming in (goodluck to my self too if i get accpeted) and Good bye to all the admins thats fired from the Team but hope to see you in game.
An admin will come and do admin work when he can. It doesn't help to be bugged 24/7 by people because there's something going on at night. I've woken up before and seen messages at 1,2,3,4,5am demanding that I come in-game. That's just not going to happen.
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An admin will come and do admin work when he can. It doesn't help to be bugged 24/7 by people because there's something going on at night. I've woken up before and seen messages at 1,2,3,4,5am demanding that I come in-game. That's just not going to happen.
Except when i text you <3
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Goodluck to the new faces thats going to be coming in (goodluck to my self too if i get accpeted)
That's enough for today. You can try again tomorrow.
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Why not, there is always good to have fresh meat, nobody wants inactive admins.
And Doggi, don't feel offended, but you just sound like a Argonath player who just got 'abused' by admin. In my opinion, you should keep your behavior and attitude as you were still an admin.
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An admin will come and do admin work when he can. It doesn't help to be bugged 24/7 by people because there's something going on at night. I've woken up before and seen messages at 1,2,3,4,5am demanding that I come in-game. That's just not going to happen.
Yeh. Admins are volunteers and have a life outside of Argonath too, we should remember that.
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We respect the fact they have a life too but they need to keep in mind that when they applied, they accepted to follow few rules. One of them concern their activity.
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i am mostly always active on America Times. and sometimes i see alot of dmers on and i even get dmed sometimes. but no admins online. i try to call admin (EliteTerm) on msn to get on and check it out. but sometimes he isnt on so i have to try my best to stay away from them. and Goodluck to the new faces thats going to be coming in (goodluck to my self too if i get accpeted) and Good bye to all the admins thats fired from the Team but hope to see you in game.
I believe Jessica is hinting towards the fact that HQ should keep into consideration the timezones of those that they wish to accept, rather than demanding admins waking up early morning to perform their duties.
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I believe Jessica is hinting towards the fact that HQ should keep into consideration the timezones of those that they wish to accept, rather than demanding admins waking up early morning to perform their duties.
To make something clear, we are not forcing the staff team to go up in the morning to work on the server. We have no schedule of when the administration team must be online. We got a set amount of hours per week the Staff Members must do work, but how they distribute that time is entirely up to them.
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To make something clear, we are not forcing the staff team to go up in the morning to work on the server. We have no schedule of when the administration team must be online. We got a set amount of hours per week the Staff Members must do work, but how they distribute that time is entirely up to them.
Those who have timezones such as GMT -9 will most likely (depending on the individual) be online when the server time is, for example, 3am because the time in their country would be 18:00. That is what I meant regarding HQ taking into account the timezones of new moderators that they are considering of choosing. One simple method is that HQ can evaluate the times that certain players play. Once this can be taken into consideration, there will be a steady flow of admins online at a variety of times, which will reduce the risk of certain players taking advantage of no admins being online when they join at an early morning server time.
I do, however, understand what you are trying to say when you addressed the fact that admins are not responsible to perform their duties at specific times. Thus, if they change their mind about when they are willing to come online, it will result in them not being available in early server times anymore. Although, it is actually unlikely that it will happen.
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The first half of this topic is just golden. People are so sensitive.
Cheers to HQ for doing this.
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Before this topic turns out as my messed up taco, I just want to say a few words :P
I was selected as an administrator a long time ago, I actually don't remember when. Anyways, I had waited a long for this experience and I must say it was pretty awesome. I made new friends and gained new experience, which was of course my main goals. As an administrator, I didn't like to hand out a lot of punishments, because I felt it was rather better to make people think about their actions rather to suspend them from the server and make them even angrier, then they all go taconanas. Back to my message, I've enjoyed every little second in the administration team, I knew I was going to be removed sooner or later due to my inactivity that went unnoticed, but it's completely my fault and I won't disagree at all with the decision. Our current managers and HQ are amazing people, I hope you all understand that and respect them, because they hand out a lot of tacos and help building this amazing taco server. Don't ever forget that we're an unique community and that we're a world of its own. A message to the HQ and my fellow comrades: Don't ever forget that you do a good job, and that you had a taco in the team. I thank you again for the opportunity you gave me and I hope the next ones will love taco like me!
Taco love! Free tacos for everyone!
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People are so sensitive.
This. A single line of text "offends" people so much.
Taco love! Free tacos for everyone!
Damn it. You had me at free.
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This. A single line of text "offends" people so much.
No wonder people throw around the word "trolling" so much here. It's because people make it too damn easy, so easy that you actually end up accidentally trolling them...
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I'd just like to throw in my thought about the ones that got removed whatever the reason was; thanks for your time and the efforts you put into keeping the community up and strong
Cheers
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tacos
8 tacos.
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taco
I want a burrito.
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Can I have the list of admins who have departed from the team?
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Can I have the list of admins who have departed from the team?
As far as I have seen, they were:
Doggi
[WS]Paco
Gregersen
TheRock
Rydell_Corleone
Roman_Collin(?)
SeanC(Can't remember current name, he's probably on 58th)
[WS]Caltson
Sorry if I missed any!
Farewell to the dismissed Admins, you will be missed.
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Sorry for putting my nose where is not supposed to be but guys comon Caltson and SeanC were one of the best admins at all let's say and they get removed doggie was good admins also every body have's his up and downs and can't be inactive i mean comon Kojak were inactive for like months before like 3-5 or maybe more but he didn't get removed at all.
Nothing much just speaking my mind i am sorry if somebody takes this as arguing or insult
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You can't compare a CL with an admin... They don't have the same obligations.
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Roman_Collin(?)
SeanC(Can't remember current name, he's probably on 58th)
Roman was dismissed long ago, he was a moderator as well.
SeanC is known as Frankie_Mendoza.
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So in more then two years, that I was an admin, I wasn't?
I hardly received a complain, yet it seems that NOTIFIED inactivity is such a big problem.. why not removed the inactive manages and inactive community leaders also?
They're inactive for up to a year.. even more..
If you only fire/kick the admins and moderators, I have serious doubt about this system, and the HQ..
Can you read my mind? 100% correct
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You see, Admins and moderators can be seen as the "work force".
The basic commodity that functions on the field. This field staff needs to be active and good in what they do.
Managers or higher, are seen to be the "leaders". They are much much more experienced, have vast knowledge and do a lot more than being in game and doing field work. Managing problems, unban requests, cash transfers. Trust me, they have a lot to do. Even the courts alone give them a hard time. They're seen to be the very trusted members of the community who have achieved the rank. And the vast amount of forum work they have enables them to work without even going in game.
Look at Kojak. And before I say this, trust me, I'm not an asslicker. But Kojak after his returned has done a lot of things to make this community better. I see him everyday dedicating time to unban requests. And he's so reasonable! There were quite a number of 'harsh' bans. Bans for punishments that perhaps didn't needed a ban. And he's started changing that. From what I see and think, he's making sure that the admins function absolutely perfectly. Removing confusions, making the ban hammer the last resort for serious offences. And making unbans a much better procedure. Like he denies unbans for long periods for those who deserve it, and unbans people who have served their time.
Previously and to some extent now too, people think that bans are no big deal. Get banned, get unbanned. Get banned again. And with the direction Kojak is headed this is pretty much changing to the reality that a ban is something you never want.
There are countless other people who have served the community as managers and higher ranks, and I think they deserve their position and not removed for inactivity.
Its kind of like any group. The leaders are there so that the group flourishes. Without the leaders the group dies out from inactivity. The leaders need people to lead and they are the "field staff". And wherever you go, life's tough for the field staff.
My personal opinion was that the inactive admins should be removed. The reason was that they occupy unnecessary slots. I mean, another person could be hired instead of the inactive ones and make the team more effective. Yes the inactive one is trusted and if he's back, and there's a slot empty he would be favoured over other applicants. Its not a big deal really. And if you are removed for some other issue, like perhaps incorrect judgements, then maybe you're not suited for the job.
I think its a good decision. Any admin removed knows the reason why he's removed. If you really like to be an admin again then perhaps join the rest of us, who've applied and waited months on end and try endlessly to get our voices heard and be delivered with the shiny rank and a new responsibility.
Prolong inactive admins or moderators not only make the whole team ineffective, but also strip away the chances from the deserving and active members.
I personally know some people who if given the chance, imo, would prove to be extremely excellent admins but don't get the chance to do so. And maybe occupied slots is a reason.
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The question about why it is that inactive admins are removed, when inactive managers or community leaders retain their positions, is one that is always asked whenever admins are removed for inactivity.
The answer to that is simple; admins are the most important members of staff Argonath has, without them the server will descend into chaos and fall apart. I can go inactive for a month and return to find the server exactly as I left it, there might be some changes needed but the very important things will be fine; the players will be playing and the admins will be making sure they are able to do so in peace. If the admins go away for a month, the server is in trouble.
For that reason, we absolutely have to know who is active and who is not. Of those who are active we have to know they are reaching a minimum level of activity so across the board we can tell how well staffed the server is. When you look at a list of admins all you see is a list of names, you might see forty of them and think well that's enough surely, but if half of them are inactive, or barely active, we have a skewed figure which means we have no idea if we need to recruit or not. By completing this reform we now know we don't have enough active staff and we will need to begin recruitment.
For that reason, when it comes to the issue of activity, we ask our admins for two simple things; firstly they maintain a consistent seven hour per week minimum activity, and secondly they tell us if they're going to be inactive for any reason. Providing an admin has done one of those things, they will not be removed unless they have been inactive for months.
It is true that when you achieve a certain position within Argonath you earn tenure, and the obligations we have are not the same as that of admins. But that is because we as members of HQ are not as urgently needed as admins are, our daily presence is not always required, and the server will not fall apart if we're absent for a few days or weeks. Our admins are held to a very high standard, and it is a standard that all of them agreed to before taking the job, there is not one admin who was removed for inactivity who did not know he had to be active or how active he had to be.
Finally so it is clear, the door is not completely closed to those admins who have been removed. It is possible they might gain their positions back as long as they are seen to have addressed the reasons for their removal. There are in fact several admins who I would really love to have back in the team and if they can sort out their activity issues they will be welcome back.
If you think this approach is unreasonable, then so be it, there is nothing more to be said.
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Thanks for answering my questions Kojak i have my mind clear now
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People,
It is clear that being removed for inactivity or being 'fired' for being a bad administrator are two opposite things.
None of the administrators were 'fired' because they were bad, yet were dismissed due to their inactivity.
As with anything, the community cannot run active if the administration is inactive. I currently have other duties to fullfill than Argonath and even though I will miss doing my job for the community at the time when I was active, I must see what's best for the community and in that perspective I fully understand the reason why I was removed. I can't say the same for my collegues as I don't know their reasons for being dismissed, yet I do know all of them did their best for the community and will do so even when being dismissed.
This is not the end of the line for any of us, we were not killed, jailed or raped by them freecops, we can all carry on and eventually we'll be active enough once again to be part of the administration again. Who knows what time'll bring us. Currently my focus however goes to my personal work affairs.
I do wish the best of luck to the new wave of active people, I'm quite sure the show can carry on for much more years with them. ;)
Sincerely,
Caltson
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Sell Palomino ammu plz ? :-P You made a fortune if you check /bizzinfo