RS5 Feedback

[Vitoo]

What do you like and why? I like that you have to go through a small test before you receive your duty weapons and your duty rights.

What don't you like and why?

• I don't like the whole economy system because it is too confusing.
• I don't like the mechanic idea because it doesn't really enforce people to role-play with eachother. For example, I wanted to get my car fixed; a mechanic came up to me bunny hopping, typed a simple command and I typed another command in order to get my car fixed - it involved no role-play at all and just lost more time than I would if I had to go to PNS.
• I don't like the way you enter and exit from buildings.
• I don't like the way you buy clothes because it's a bit messy in my opinion.
• I don't like the speedometer because showing the speed and fuel is good enough.

What do you miss and why? I miss the simplicity of Argonath.

What feature do you really like that is new and why? The ladders on the FD vehicles.

Do you prefer RS4 to 5 and why? I prefer RS4. I like the way the server is right now. I'm sorry but I got disappointed with RS5. I feel like RS5 is too complicated and killed the spirit Argonath had. For me it doesn't look like the same server.
Please don't think I'm bad girling about it, that's how I honestly feel about RS5 :/
I appreciate the effort developers put into it though.

[Ben.]

There's a few quirky issues, such as when you go into the Chat Help Menu (/help, follow choice to "Chat"). The wrong box has been used, and so users can select each line of the help in that menu. If you look at it, you'll see what I mean.

Main thing I noticed was the variation between the CMB study and the Police Training.
The Police Training asks who the Chief of Police is - the correct answer is Paul Hernandez.
The CMB Study tells us that the Chief of Police is Plam Knight.

Perhaps there should be a central choice on the DB which could be read for both of these answers so there can never be confliction? Even if both are the Chief's of Police, it is not made clear to new players.

I think when RS5 is made mainstream, some issues which come about can be dealt with swiftly...but I also believe the developers of RS5 need to run through each other's systems in-game as they would be the people knowing how to fix things quickly.


I'd go into detail...but seeing as Testing is my profession, I really don't fancy writing up bug reports when it's already something I do every day at work. 

[McGarrett]

- What do you like and why?

• Economy System

It's very good. Having the cards, wallets, etc. It's very decorative with a purpose. That you only allow loans to be usable to buy properties only is pretty cool as well. It gives everyone a fair chance to get a good property when they start playing so I will disagree with a few posts above which says "They can't get loans before 3 months".

• SAPD & Police Training

I like it. It is decorative. However, I still believe it's unnecessary having a script for joining as an officer. Back in time when we asked "Why not give a tutorial" it was not even hesitating when you said "no". However, you still implement a little quiz which is blatant obvious so everyone can pass it easily. So I like it, but I still do believe it will not change a lot.

• The Hitman System

It seems a little bugged though but it seems suitable and very nice.

• Player Housing & Furniture

I enjoy the new housing and furniture. It seems very nice and that's something I'll enjoy in the future probably.


- What don't you like and why?

• The Mechanic System

This one got a lot of negative points if you ask me. I do not like it simply because it disallows players from using the Pay 'N Spray. Secondly because it makes the radar, scorelist and interferance to a completely rainbow. This can be changed which I will explain below.

• The Criminal Script

There are no difference? Same orange dot on the radar. At least improve scripts for criminals. Give them a little more advantages especially now as PNS are gone. Perhaps give them a white dot/name tag?


- What do you miss and why?

N/A
 
- What do you wish was different and why?

• Mechanic System

Mechanic should not have that much script improvements. They should be allowed to change colors on cars and fix them for a cheap price. Simple as that. Bring back PNS. Why? Because there might be times when there are no mechanic available, and then you can't repair your vehicle. Secondly if you'll decide to keep the mechanic system like this: at least disallow SAPD to driveby on fast cars or any criminal unless they are drive-bying themselves.

• Police Script when going on duty/off duty

It sucks when you enter the duty marker, you can only select a skin and you'll spawn in either LS, LV or SF. Why are you being TPed there? It's so silly. People will either way get a cruiser and go back to LS if they want to. People patrol where they feel is suitable for them to patrol, and due to their roleplay perspectives, not because you force them to stay in a city by TPing them. When going to the duty marker however, you can't enter it to change skin. It's either "close the box" or "go off duty" which sucks. Make us able to change the skins.

• Criminals

There are many points to this. First of all when you're already suspected. If you're not keeping PNS, make criminals invisible for cops or white dot them. Removing PNS is just another disadvantage for criminals, and cops already got hundreds of advantages. They can drive-by just when seeing a car that goes 2km/h faster than the cruiser, and that's annoying. As well, criminals should be able to control the government. Take ownerships of SAPD/LSPD and other departments. Perhaps the LS Government, etc. Like for example IRL, the Japanese Yakuza has ownership of most departments in Japan and Hong Kong.


- What feature do you really like that is new and why?

• Player Housing

Because it's awesome! Finally something that you can decorate for yourself.

• Economy System

Because the economy doesn't base on criminals. The money that is in RS4 is either earned by a criminal, payday, lotto or admin provided via events. Finally the government is standing for the economy.


- What feature do you hate that is new and why?

• The Chat

What a f**king rainbow! Gives me headache. Let us toggle some chats at least!! Help + Mechanic + Fireman + Cop + Admin = BAD COMBINATION


- Do you prefer RS4 to 5 and why?

RS5 because it's a ten times better script than what RS4 is.

[Almost A Hero]

Hey it's Brad, my brother wandered off the server bored and I can't remember my forum account, so I've pinched his :P

- What do you like and why?
Loan system is good, with automated payment after a certain time and stuff, vehicle system is looking alright from what I've seen, looks a bit similar to the old one, but that might actually be totally different now :P
- What don't you like and why?
The entire cash system with wallets and stuff, it's a bit too complex for a server with public chat if you ask me :P
- What do you miss and why?
I miss RS4 tbh, but yeah :P
- What do you wish was different and why?
I'd prefer no limit to spare change, as an alternate to those who don't like the wallet system
- What feature do you really like that is new and why?
The banking system is fantastic, like I said, a little too complex, but that's easier to get used to than the cash system
- What feature do you hate that is new and why?
Once again, wallets and cards
- Do you prefer RS4 to 5 and why?
RS4 is just more user friendly than RS5, the reason I got into Argonath is because it was easy to pick up, and kept me hooked. I can't see us getting a lot of new players with such a complicated system.

[Pagon]

Great topic, this is what I have been waiting for. Instead of using the given form I'll just rate the new features as seen in wiki (http://wiki.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?title=SA-MP_RS5_Guide_for_Beginners)

Drugs

- Ehm... why? Why did we change the system? I don't think there were any problems with the system in RS4.1. It's a good update that you don't sell drugs to managers anymore, but why would you drop the price of drugs so much, and over complicate the way of acquiring drugs?

SAPD

- The training is a great idea (*cough* which I suggested months ago and nobody from the admin team wanted it as it "reduced RP" *cough*), and I'm fine with ARPD removed. I mean, why shouldn't we have that test? Why should we give weapons and authority to someone without any knowledge about being a LEO?

- The jurisdiction idea is BAD. I thought that Argonath was lite-RP? Why would you force someone to spend their day in the middle of nowhere? I mean, if 90% of crimnals are in LS, then why would you force so many cops out of LS? This will create an uneven balance of the locations of cops/criminals. This can be easily roleplayed within SAPD, and doesn't need any forcing or scripts. Besides, when roleplayed, the SAPD leaders can give much more effictive assingments of jurisdictions, as they know what's going on at the moment in San Andreas. SCRIPTS DON'T.

Economy

- I personally think that the new changes are good. Well, there was nothing wrong with the last system, but this doesn't seem that bad either. The problem really is that new players might not want to keep playing in Argonath as the money system already has like 10 different variables and tools. Also it's very complicated, what's the deal with the wallets? Why do we have like 3 wallets and 3 cards along with 3 bank accounts or something. Do we really need this many additions?

- I don't really get the idea of the new loans. This only reduces the communication between players and makes it a automated system that only includes you and a whole buttload of scripts.

- The new pickpocketing system is quite funny and reduces that amount of AFK players, but once again, I don't really think if we need it. I really like the /sponsor and /donate commands.

Properties

- I think that this is the most succesful addition in RS5.

Furniture - cool
Property rental - awesome!
Stock system - very nice, increases RP
Trucking - great
Territory - I don't quite understand this yet, but maybe in the future.

I would have hoped for more punishments to players who are inactive but own businesses. I haven't seen the stock restrictions in Ammu-nation yet, but I hope they are strict.

Jobs + others

Clothes -
A great new system, really helps out people who are looking for a specific skin

Gym training
- Cool, I guess. I don't think I will ever be using this though. Unless its an event.

Mechanic job
- The second most stupid addition in RS5. Don't get me wrong, the job itself is a good idea, but removing Pay 'n' Spray is just a horrible move. I think that both of them can co-exist, you just need to implement some system that makes PnS inferior to mechanics, such as high price, or a waiting time of around 1 minute or more for your car to get fixed.

Fireman
- I like almost every update to the job. But what I don't like is that firemen are forced to do RP fire calls when there are no missions. This kind of forcing of RP is NOT good.

The new interior entering
- EPIC. This is a GREAT update, and works perfectly. I can go from one building to another in less than 0.2 seconds due to my fast computer. I would like that /exit would be removed completely, as it can be abused way too easily.

Hitman system
- Awesome addition, that was really needed. I haven't had the chance to test out the new system yet, but it looks very promising. The only thing that is a bit weird that the hitman will be ghosted. This will make the hitman very easy to stop if the civilian sees the hitman. But I still like it, alot.


- What do you miss and why?
The simplicity of RS4.1. The complicated RS5 will put off a lot of new players.

- Do you prefer RS4 to 5 and why?
At this moment, I prefer RS4.1. But if the scripters are willing to take out some features of RS5, I would like RS5 more.

[eymas]

- What do you like and why?
Anything, really; Most of the features are derived from RS4 so you're quite familiar with them, the new features stand out and work pretty well too.
- What don't you like and why?
Certain parts of the Economy stand out as redundant; Notably the Wallets and Cash, which can be merged in my opinion.
- What do you miss and why?
WYSIWYG; From simple commands to menus, It's a bit of a clunky workaround.
- What do you wish was different and why?
Above stated; The menus are nice to use in detail, although the commands simplify certain handlings better, For categorization and management the menus are great; though for sending money it's jumping hurdles.
- What feature(s) do you really like that is new and why?
Anything.
- What feature(s) do you hate that is new and why?
I would have to choose for this one, I do not really "Hate" certain features, I do think some need a second thought, jurisdictions and loans for example.
- Do you prefer RS4 to 5 and why?
Though both sides have their own pros and cons, I am excited for the full release of RS5; For there's time to move on; changes have to be made, and as such: you need to sacrifice certain aspects to do so.
RS5 is exactly what that is about, and I respect this. Even though we might lose a few because they think it would be too complicated or too bad, it's their opinion that should be respected as well.

[.Ken.]

1.What feature do you really like that is new and why?

I like /CMB study because it helps new players to understand, first they have to go to the site of CMB to study for exam and now they can study here by using /cmbstudy, they'll not have any difficulty and any problem so that's why I like it.

2.What do you like and why?

I like new firemission because it don't take too much time to complete the mission and it also make good money.

3.Do you prefer RS4 to 5 and why?

I like Rs4, it is easy to understand and rs5 is difficult to understand.

[TiMoN]

• What do you like and why? Mostly everything, the freedom given to players, and mostly the bank accounts.
  
• What don't you like and why? The chat, it's annoying, rainbows, help chat, and other stuff, I just wish we could disable some of these.
  
• What do you miss and why? Nearly nothing, I can't find something in RS4 that cannot be done in RS5, even better.
  
• What do you wish was different and why? The vehicle HUD, it's quite stretched, I wish we could have the old one back, or at least the ability to move/customize it.
  
• What feature do you really like that is new and why? Bank accounts, the shared accounts and other stuff are just lovely. <3 I also like the group support thingy. I LOVE THE FD LADDER.
  
• What feature do you hate that is new and why? Dialogs(the /help box, as an example) it's just annoying, it disables your moving/driving ability. I hope we can get a written down one, it will make driving and reading it easier.
  
• Do you prefer RS4 to 5 and why? RS5, it is wonderful.
  

[Duel]

I would like that /exit would be removed completely, as it can be abused way too easily.

How are people supposed to exit then?

[Pagon]

How are people supposed to exit then?

Just as it is in open beta, enter the proximity of the door, and just press H to exit. /exit works too atm, but I don't see any roleplaying advantages to using it.

Interiors should be like any other area in the game; teleporting is not allowed.

[CharlieKasper]

Just as it is in open beta, enter the proximity of the door, and just press H to exit. /exit works too atm, but I don't see any roleplaying advantages to using it.

Interiors should be like any other area in the game; teleporting is not allowed.

I can use H anywhere inside an interior at the moment.

[Xelent159]

- What do you like and why?

• SAPD Training Script : Amazing idea,No Newbie will misuse the Cop Duty.Officers will learn what this job  is actually about.
• New Fire Departement Script (Ladder, Siren, Pager,) : More RP for Fireman, more teamwork
• Groups : It is more easy.

- What don't you like and why?

• Wallet,Card,Bank system : VERY complicated and difficult and so many commands.
• :PNS : If i am in a pursuit i have to call a mechanic and wait for it till it arives and fixes my car and by that time the suspect escaped.

- What do you miss and why?

• ARPD : i am not sure every Officer will know the new SAPD Regulations and will follow them and act professional
• Players : 40-60% Of Argonath SAMP players will leave if RS4 get deleated.

- Do you prefer RS4 to 5 and why?

• Completely, Because Many players left other big RP Servers and play only on Argonath because Its a Good RolePlay Server + Very Easy to use including my self. RS5 is just way Complicated and hard to use,too many commands. There is no need to Upgrade it to RS5. Just Improve RS4.

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[Duel]

Just as it is in open beta, enter the proximity of the door, and just press H to exit. /exit works too atm, but I don't see any roleplaying advantages to using it.

Interiors should be like any other area in the game; teleporting is not allowed.

Well if H works the same as /exit - What difference does it make if its removed or not.. 

[Stivi]

Well if H works the same as /exit - What difference does it make if its removed or not.. 

Then why is /enter removed ?

[Duel]

Then why is /enter removed ?

How was it removed if it was never added on RS5?