Some thing need to be done.

[Pingster]

Cops always get more advantage than Criminals and:

Cops get advantage over Criminal,This point can be debatable but it has no solution to it(not that i know of).

Like it as not for using this as the "excuse", but the solution is roleplay. Honestly? Criminals have incredibly more freedom than cops do. They can do shit cops can never dream of, and if they're good, will never hear of.

However, the proper argument here is that cops have more advantages than suspects.

You're damn right they do, if you're a suspect, you lost the game, cops have been alerted, and you, my dear nigguh, are going down. Yell all you want about wars and stuff, and how you're OBVIOUSLY going to get suspected, well duh, if you begin to open fire that can be heard from another town, you're going to face the consequences of every single blue name being on your ass.

I've never been suspected unless I do something awfully obvious and dumb, which I sometimes do just to amuse myself, and ser, I have as much regard for law as I do for the dust under my fingernails.

..Unless I'm on cop duty, 'cause then it's the iron fist of law coming your way :p

And I can assure you I have as much fun as anyone else, and RS5 is not going to stop me from doing that. Change your gameplan, and neither will it stop you. If you stick to what you've been doing for years, you're not going to learn to have fun in any other way, there are wonders out there you've never thought of. Shit, I was under the common conception that Luciano's roleplay equals to /me takes out a gun, /me shoots, until I decided to fuck it and play with some of them a bit. Had a good fun doing so. And you know why? 'Cause at the end of the day, we're here to have fun, doesn't matter who's cop or criminal, who's Corleone or FBI, engage them in ways that are different and shit gets serious..ly fun. Tried making money off FBI for information the other day. LOLed while doing so. Was on /duty.

So yeah, tl;dr - Try something new, bro.

[Axison]

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Well What i meant to say was, the topic of Cops and criminal will just not end, and never will. You can bring tons of example to prove your point but it always has a negative side of it. Though you said Roleplay is the solution, you might be right but Most of the criminal groups dont know how to roleplay, your example of /me takes out a gun, /me shoots suits the discussion soooo much. I myself have been in MANY roleplays among different families but it always broke out as a DM fest(not gonna point at one specific family). Not saying that family leaders dont know how to roleplay, just saying that /me takes out a gun and shoots is not at all roleplay. You family leaders might have done my professional roleplays but the condition of roleplay i see now is just NOT roleplay.

[Pingster]

Eh, honestly, it seems to be more and more an exception than a rule (And a joke, as well), specially among the families. It happens a ton, but more often than not, from random new players. If not, that's actually a rule break, and will end up with a ban if not stopped.

I realise many people come online just to shoot a lot, nice, as Nexxt put it - free shooting range practice for cops. But that's going to end like it as not, so a suggestion on what to do instead of that - roleplay your ass off. Only reason I can see among the criminals why they wouldn't do that on a regular basis now, is because cops wouldn't, and cops wouldn't because crimi... you know the endless loop. But now that RS5 would break this loop, I can expect a ton more criminal roleplay, to a point where SAPD would lose interest in favor of criminals.

Don't give me crap about how it wouldn't, I've talked to a few officers, some high ranked, all of who've enjoyed the life of an orange. Most agreed, if there was more proper roleplay going on, they would stay/go back to criminal life. It offers WAY more roleplay, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more things to do, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more variety and so on. Issues shown were that currently criminal scene is mostly DMfesting, with few exceptions. Well, RS5 makes that more or less void. What's left is a world where you have to roleplay to gain respect in criminal world, not be able to kill more cops/criminals than others. Suddenly, criminal life is more interesting, add all the possibilites etc, and SAPD is abandoned.



Ok, so which part of this favours cops over criminals? Sounds to me like cops are in for tough times.

[TheRock]

Since the moment you aided Corleones in killing Lucianos (pictures from Corleone topic)

Bwahahaha, Really. So if I am seen driving with any civilian who is part of a criminal group, that makes me a criminal too? Give me a break.
I don't see your point where being in R*, A cop and an admin is something wrong and bad, I'll just say that you are jealous.

Group leaders standing long?

CM Daniel - Corleone
Antonio - Eugene > Gvardia
Panda > Araatus
NitrOx > Stracci
Jaaskaa > Kolta
Romeo > Ancelotti
Frank Hawk > i9
Mario Rinna - Rage Incorporated
Que - SeanC - 58th
Pablo - Diablos
Nexxt - ThePenguin
Roman > Collin
ScorpZ/Xterm - Cems, Gstar
Shitix - Luvineri
Kevin - G6
Savior - Falcone
Myles - Vinci
RiX/Nial - GSF
Rint - Colombo

(old) Fernando - Trujilo Mafia Empire + FBI ()

And maaaany many more!

Fact; Do not judge by the look but by the inside If you care so much for loosing e-possesions whenever you die by loosing 1-10k in guns, then you should not carry or buy that much if you are going to die. On the other hand, Having fun doesn't require a criminal to die. Have you ever been a criminal as in custody of Jcstodds? I don't think so.
You can have fun on both sides, Either a Criminal or a Civilian/Cop. What it takes is; 1) Brain 2) Sense of humor 3) Freedom of thought and communication. You do not need scripts to have fun; you need a pair of hands to type and some good friends.

Examples:

Cop

When I used to be in SAPD back in 2010 I would enjoy going out with another officer roleplaying fat cops doing nothing but eating donuts at Market and discussing.

Criminal

Back at my time when I was [TCL]Rock_Stracci (2009), I would enjoy roleplaying a mafia driver, going out with my then partners in crime to strip clubs (after hiring a player to roleplay a stripper), and discuss about family problems and tasks.
Later at 2010-2011, as Arnold Shelton, a homeless balla giving out free donuts at GS9 Baskets.. (Oh damn I miss those times.)

Civilian

Pretty much everything, from joining fan clubs of driving/racing, to resting anywhere at map doing nothing but roleplaying anything. A granny, a homeless guy (hobo), a snitch, dinner.


You see, there's nothing making things impossible, it's YOU who does it with your negative thinking. You can't say things can't be done, you only quit and say that. Real players will find ANY way to have fun.

Even better a prime example; There are times that I am alone in the force (FBI), and there are no suspects either.. I will go off duty, and find any new player to show them around the city, help them become a member and a player of us.. What do I win out of that? Nothing. What do I really gain? A new friend to new endless possibilities of Roleplay and joy of fun.

So if you wanna have fun, just make up your mind and decide what are your aims. It is your actions that define you as a person, not your skin.

[Xelent159]

Finally we are having a good Conversation,where every one has the right to speak and staff are listening them. (Y)

[Cofiliano]

I haven't posted till now but now i just cant resist

I'm one of the few guys who are actually gunning for a reset (Mainly because of the fact that almost anything considerable is held by a 'elite' few who bother to grace us with their presence once or twice a month[Cough' Gvardia])

You can cough as much as you want. If we would look at it that way, Ancelotti would be closed or completly without any property 3 years ago, and Gvardia would still have the minimum of our most vital assits.

Not to mentioned you're forgeting the fact that that same "Cough' Gvardia" saved your Avispa 2 times when it went reset and inactive, so before you start blabing, do a recheck with your brain, history and infromation.

About the subject of this topic, I haven't yet checked the Beta version of RS5, I'll submit my opinion soon.

[Duel]

Things are getting out of hand. Please stay on topic.

[Acika]

Frank Hawk, NitrOx, Daniel Corleone and a few more...But I doubt you know who they are, seeing you are quite new my little friend. Now how about you go wait for your unban and keep talking about your "glorious" group somewhere else? For f**k's sake...Even Remo Gulucan knew when to shut up...

I can understand your hatred towards me because im sexy, successful, Luciano is the best family of 2012 and is doing very well in 2013, but i can't understand why are you insulting and trying to humiliate Remo_Gulucan when even he is a way better player and person than you are.

14 Civilians - 38%

Thank you for the lesson. It's nice to know that all these people are civilians now, because they weren't when i was in game. Most of them were driving hunters and hydras which civilians usually don't do.

Are you aware that the current SA:MP Division Leader haas been a criminal? Now tell me again that criminals are not given any chance.

It's fine if we only look at the DLs, but when we look at moderators, admins and managers the picture is way different. But that's okay, it's nothing bad. I don't see why is so many people offended with that fact.

Server is generally made for cops, even more in RS5, but it's also a big problem that most of the good players, criminals, are leaving criminal groups to join cops as that will increase their chances of joining admin team.

Anyway, Acika, just stop. What you're trying to point out has been said over and over again for literally years. I know this because I was one of the people talking to the brick wall - you don't get anywhere, you just turn people against you. It's not worth it, dude.
People aren't going to change, and they aren't going to be able to notice the truth in what you're saying. They never do.

Thanks for the advice, but even after 2 years im still trying to, for the common good.


It's good that this topic is not locked and that we can discuss things openly and hear different opinions.

Cheers.

[Gandalf]

It's fine if we only look at the DLs, but when we look at moderators, admins and managers the picture is way different. But that's okay, it's nothing bad. I don't see why is so many people offended with that fact.

The issue is that you seem to think criminals have no chance to be admin. This is incorrect as any criminal that is not a rulebreaker or flamer but helps out others and does good RP has more chances to see his application approved as a cop.

Server is generally made for cops, even more in RS5, but it's also a big problem that most of the good players, criminals, are leaving criminal groups to join cops as that will increase their chances of joining admin team.

Incorrect, the server is not made for cops. However the server is made in such way that you can not get away with mass killing without effort.
While I do feel that violence should always remain part of the GTA roleplay, it is not the one thing to do in game. If you do not understand that, you still have something to learn.

It's good that this topic is not locked and that we can discuss things openly and hear different opinions.

Cheers.

As long as the discussion remains civil and people do not flame or shout without reason the topic will be open.
Argonath has always been a community where people are free to express themselves, as long as they do it without flaming.

We know that this is used by some people to point at 'bad' things, but those stories are about as old as the server itself, and remind us of our old server that after 8 years still has news about someone from our server hacking there.
We have countered the arguments every time, and repeating them does not make them true.

[Pandalink]

I can understand your hatred towards me because im sexy, successful, Luciano is the best family of 2012 and is doing very well in 2013, but i can't understand why are you insulting and trying to humiliate Remo_Gulucan when even he is a way better player and person than you are.

Remo_Gulucan is a money cheater who doesn't understand how to create a group of his own without trying to virally leech off the success of other groups.

Thanks for the advice, but even after 2 years im still trying to, for the common good.

Yea check my registration date, and see how useful trying has proven to be.

[Vitoo]

For Rusty and Cyril: AirOrel Corleone, Badandy and Hard Cipone (when he left SAPD for a couple of weeks/months and joined a motorcycle club) are three good examples of what Razor and Acika were trying to say; they would never get punished when they were high ranked police officers but when they became criminals they started getting punished way too much. When officers join the criminal side they start getting punished and they start saying the officers are too overpowered; there must be a reason for that.

PS. I'm not trying to provoke anyone stated above.

[Gandalf]

For Rusty and Cyril: AirOrel Corleone, Badandy and Hard Cipone (when he left SAPD for a couple of weeks/months and joined a motorcycle club) are three good examples of what Razor and Acika were trying to say; they would never get punished when they were high ranked police officers but when they became criminals they started getting punished way too much. When officers join the criminal side they start getting punished and they start saying the officers are too overpowered; there must be a reason for that.

PS. I'm not trying to provoke anyone stated above.

And they all started when they left SAPD because of punishment for their actions there. thing is once you get to the point where you are bored and start rule breaking, changing career is not going to help you.

[Cyril]

AirOrel barely got punished during his SAPD career because he behaved and had someone with strong authority above him (Ben Samiir or other SAPD Captain/Chief). They know they can't do anything wrong or they will be dismissed. Same goes for Badandy, he was Sergeant and had no rights for mistake. That applies for almost every cop.

[Vitoo]

AirOrel barely got punished during his SAPD career because he behaved and had someone with strong authority above him (Ben Samiir or other SAPD Captain/Chief). They know they can't do anything wrong or they will be dismissed. Same goes for Badandy, he was Sergeant and had no rights for mistake. That applies for almost every cop.

I believe Ben Samiir wasn't around in 2011?

And they all started when they left SAPD because of punishment for their actions there. thing is once you get to the point where you are bored and start rule breaking, changing career is not going to help you.

Maybe you're right, maybe you're not. Anyway, I don't wanna argue over something which is as pointless as this one because criminals will always moan about the suspects/cops system and cops will eventually argue about it with them.

[Gandalf]

I believe Ben Samiir wasn't around in 2011?
Maybe you're right, maybe you're not. Anyway, I don't wanna argue over something which is as pointless as this one because criminals will always moan about the suspects/cops system and cops will eventually argue about it with them.

Cops are just as bad moaning about how its useless to chase criminals as all that happens is they do the same again.
This is why we have listened to both sides and tried to make a new more balanced system.
However one thing has not yet been discussed which people seem not to be interested in : civilians.