Some thing need to be done.

[Antonio.]

Is this the same "everyone" who also thinks RS5 and everything about it needs to go?

You're obviously looking for another big argument and pretty much ignoring what I said, which itself proves that you are wrong.

That's not relevant to the discussion. What is relevant is that the player count has massively decreased and it's mostly not because of the time of the year.

[Teddy]

What is relevant is that the player count has massively decreased and it's mostly not because of the time of the year.

Please provide research, and data collected during your study.

[Kirgiz]

Please provide research, and data collected during your study.

You don't have to be a cook to tell that soup is shit.

And also, you don't need to do researches to point out that water is wet.


Just my double cents.

[Marcel]

Please provide research, and data collected during your study.

No need to provide research. It's fairly apparent that player counts have decreased significantly in general since the launch of the RS5 beta.

[Antonio.]

Please provide research, and data collected during your study.

Yes, because I am presenting an essay to my teacher.

Common sense doesn't need data and research. The fact that it's hard for you to accept the current situation for SA-MP is something personal for you, so please cut the crap.

[Teddy]

No need to provide research. It's fairly apparent that player counts have decreased significantly in general since the launch of the RS5 beta.

Do you have access to usage logs just before, during release, and post release? Didn't think so. You'll actually see the decrease started a bit before the release, if you had dug into it.

You don't have to be a cook to tell that soup is shit.
And also, you don't need to do researches to point out that water is wet.
Just my double cents.

First two sentences are irrelevant.

We've reviewed this, and yes we anticipated some people getting mad over a reset and leaving. Oh well, they are more worried about their stats than the game and quality of the game. We figured the others leaving would be due to complexity, and straight up fear of change. We know these are factors. We know right now a major factor is people don't wanna play on a bugged server, which is fine by not helping us find and fix them you'll only be without the server longer. We also know a factor is school exams, holidays, and other times of the year. They are common when seeing the last few years. It isn't one cause, its multiple that have all been anticipated.

[Marcel]

Teddy, no need for any logs of any sort. There's no point in discussing about when a decrease started, it's just that the general sentiment in the community is that people feel like the new gamemode is causing a decline in player activity. That is the thing i was trying to point out.

[Rusty]

You're obviously looking for another big argument and pretty much ignoring what I said, which itself proves that you are wrong.

That's not relevant to the discussion. What is relevant is that the player count has massively decreased and it's mostly not because of the time of the year.

Players feel they have no sense of purpose anymore to work their ass off for what they had before, after-all for some it took years.  Now that has been taken away in a finger click and as a result players have simply abandoned playing and moved on.  You're annoyed about the way it's went about, which is understandable.  If RS5 is the main reason then time will tell come into next year.

[Teddy]

Teddy, no need for any logs of any sort. There's no point in discussing about when a decrease started, it's just that the general sentiment in the community is that people feel like the new gamemode is causing a decline in player activity. That is the thing i was trying to point out.

There are a few keywords in your argument. "feel like", and "sentiment".

Feel like isn't something that is based on fact. If I feel like I'm dying, that doesn't mean I am dying.

Sentiment is also a feeling, but rather one towards a situation or event. We know RS5, its status, and its announcement have played factor in the decline. We're not denying this. We're also not going to say its the ONLY reason of decline.

Also, logic error does occur. Saying when the decline started is irrelevant would be an argumentative logical error. When the decline started is actually a critical point in finding out the factors of decline. Which, in our case, would have some degree of factor caused by RS5.

[Bundy]

We can keep making circles and blame holidays and christmas for the activity drop, but I think everyone knows the real reason, enough said.

[Vitoo]

We can keep making circles and blame holidays and christmas for the activity drop, but I think everyone knows the real reason, enough said.

Teddy has just said RS5 is one of the reasons for the activity drop as well but we can't ignore that this time of the year, school and work have a significant impact too.

[Pingster]

it's just that the general sentiment in the community is that people feel like the new gamemode is causing a decline in player activity.

It's fine until people start going about saying RS5 is shit and obviously EVERYONE agrees because look at how much the player numbers have dropped. Clearly everyone who stopped playing hates RS5. Misinformed and misguided logic.

That's why it's important to know the facts, instead of badmouthing endless hours and months of work just because the beta release's timing was quite shitty and could have definitely been planned better, if only to have more active players to beta test.

And Antonio? It's really in bad taste to claim someone is starting an argument which you started with a weak provocation in a topic that was dead for a day and a half. Some could consider it trying to get someone else in trouble, because "Look, he's starting arguments everywhere!".

[Teddy]

We can keep making circles and blame holidays and christmas for the activity drop, but I think everyone knows the real reason, enough said.

Good job reading my posts. I'd recommend a lesson or two, then try again.

[Marcel]

There are a few keywords in your argument. "feel like", and "sentiment".

Feel like isn't something that is based on fact. If I feel like I'm dying, that doesn't mean I am dying.

Sentiment is also a feeling, but rather one towards a situation or event. We know RS5, its status, and its announcement have played factor in the decline. We're not denying this. We're also not going to say its the ONLY reason of decline.

Also, logic error does occur. Saying when the decline started is irrelevant would be an argumentative logical error. When the decline started is actually a critical point in finding out the factors of decline. Which, in our case, would have some degree of factor caused by RS5.

Funny you talk about logical error when you are committing one yourself. It's called Special Pleading. You claim the decline is a special situation because of this and that, when it is very obvious that the player decline has gone along with the gradual introduction of RS5. This is the feeling of the community i'm trying to express here. You must be feeling it too, lots of people have notified you about that feeling in this thread in particular. I do hate to be the bringer of bad news tho if you haven't realised that yet. Also, i'm still willing to help you guys think about how the future of our community should be shaped in a constructive way. Hit me up on Skype Teddy.

[Antonio.]

If RS5 is the main reason then time will tell come into next year.

RS5 can get better or worse by that time. We're just pointing out that compared to the previous years, the player count has indeed dropped.

And Antonio? It's really in bad taste to claim someone is starting an argument which you started with a weak provocation in a topic that was dead for a day and a half.

Separate topic, separate argument. I didn't mention anything about player count on that other topic, so I don't know why you're bringing stuff from that topic over here. I provided you a simple answer on why the player count has dropped, but you ignored it and implied something completely irrelevant to what I said.

Some could consider it trying to get someone else in trouble, because "Look, he's starting arguments everywhere!".

Pretty ironic coming from the person who was yelling "moaner!1111!!1!1!1" in every post.