Why is oppression being enforced on unofficial groups?

[Plam_Knight]

To rise up the issue community wide.

Correct, but I submitted it a while ago and went very inactive ever since. I have just recently returned and only yesterday I have noticed that it isnt burried in the denial section yet, so I have decided to give it a try anyways. Still, that's not really relevant to the issue im trying to rise up here.

Me and Ben have re-united yesterday and have been thinking of re-opening BCSD, but then we have given it second thoughts and realised that it would be difficult to get it up and running again. What made BCSD great and successful back in the day was the fact that SAPD did not restrict unofficial groups from recruiting SAPD personel, therefore a lot of people from SAPD has joined and have bringed a lot of SAPD proffesionalism to the group. Others have learned from these SAPD officers and later become an unseperable part of SAPD themselves. Ironic that me, who has founded and lead the division into the success it had, had so many tries to pass the academy,but usually got fired for shitting, and I only became an officer once, and then again got fired because I gave the chance to do so for somebody who didn't like me from the very beggining...

I admire SAPD and what it's trying to do, but what I do not like is the ways that are being used in order to achieve its' goals and objectives. SAPD was never so restrictable as it is now, let's admit it...

You did not really understand what I meant, or probably I might have expressed it in a manner that was difficult to understand. Anyways, what I had in mind is:

Unofficial ARPD group: Offers roleplay and is not restrictive, however it has a risk of: Shutting down any moment, being shut down by ARPD any moment, has no official support whatsoever.
Official SAPD dpt.: Offers roleplay, script support, dark blue name, but is restrictive and the SMG comes along.

IT might look stupid at first, but face it - everyone is looking for benefits, and SAPD is a lot more beneficial to them. However, when people arent forced to choose between SAPD and unofficial division (like they did in the past), they can enjoy the both.

The irony is that when I opened BCSD, I never have even made it past the SAPD Academy phase and I constantly got fired for attitude issues. Funny, yet how, judging from what You have said yourself, I have managed to open something that "was one of the few divisions you admired for the approach they took and the initiative they brought in. " It seems that you're trying to imply that somebody who has never been in SAPD cannot be a great officer. Now, why BCSD got successful if I never made it into the SAPD? The fact that before opening it I served as a freecop for about two years, i have studied the regulations, codes and observed the way SAPD works. You do not need to be SAPD to be expierenced, all you need is dedication. Never forget that.

Sadly I never managed to actually see you as apart of BCSD, maybe you were the leader, but not in my eyes back then.
And I am going to let you find the irony in your own sentence, if you look at your background history - "all you need is dedication. Never forget that."

[Huntsman]

Sadly I never managed to actually see you as apart of BCSD, maybe you were the leader, but not in my eyes back then.
And I am going to let you find the irony in your own sentence, if you look at your background history - "all you need is dedication. Never forget that."

I was, my name was different back then. Oh, okay, let's bring up my punishment history to every argument. This is one of the reason im not very enthusiastic about SAPD...
Secondly, this is Argonath, this is not real life, you can try everything you want and find what's suitable for you. Not in your eyes? It's funny how you say that when I have opened the BCSD and rised it to where it was and what Adam did was made a coup against me and used BCSD to recruit people to some other RP server to his own faction and then abandoned it , letting Paul close it.  I had no option but to resign, because Adam basically turned everyone against me (except for Ben) promising them stuff that could never be real (such as making BCSD scripted department) , to others he promised to give them a good position in some sort of SASD in a "srs rp" server.

BCSD was under my full command until I promoted Adam to Sheriff, then the mess started.. If not that mistake, who knows, maybe it still wold be up today.

[MikeSangelo]

I admire SAPD and what it's trying to do, but what I do not like is the ways that are being used in order to achieve its' goals and objectives. SAPD was never so restrictable as it is now, let's admit it...

Restricted? You do realize that in RS5 everyone will be a part of the San Andreas Police Department? Not to mention that currently no one even has to apply, just ask for an interview and get accepted into one of the latest waves which are typically done on a bi-weekly basis. I believe you are thinking of the application review, accept, deny process that could be considered "restrictive" as we had many criteria required in order to be a part of the organization. Nowadays, we're more open than we have ever been, period.

If you're talking about unofficial groups, no we are not restrictive. The only thing we can not have is other groups with separate command members order other police officers via scare tactics as if they have any authority when in fact, they do not. The SAPD has never had a closed mind on the idea, nor will we ever, we just can not have any other groups who mock our daily operations with their separate chains of command that conflicts with our internal one, that is just not going to happen.

[Julio.]

I might add that Rytuklis was actually pretty good at this policing business from an RP perspective, exceeding that of possibly the majority of those who held an SAPD rank at the time. But generally those who want to be sheriffs in my opinion tend to be more open, flexible and fun RPers anyway.


Edit: Removed typos, touch screens are awkward!

[Lionel Valdes]

I might add that Rytuklis was actually pretty good at this policing business's from an RP perspective, exceeding that of possibly the majority of those who help an SAPD rank at the time. But generally those who want to be sheriffs in my opinion tend to be more open, flexible and fun RPers anyway.

I definitely agree with Julio here.

[Leon.]

@OP

If you look at the history you will see that we have had a couple of groups that were formed as non-SAPD division which started to compete. Without exception they started to ignore SAPD ranks and instructions, creatingtheir own system to confuse players.
Once requested to remain within the limits of a single police force, in most cases this lead to a group leaving, often with a lot of noise.
Because of this, we are not exactly fond of new attempts to create competition in law enforcement.

^^.
Blame SASD (aka ACSD) and SACS lol.

Edit: Who ninja-edited my post? C'mon, you gotta at least tell me when you edit something of mine... for all I know, you might be changing the content of my posts to make me sound like a neo-nazi!

[Ben.]

Ceph, there was definitely more than one ACSD - might be better if you just say SASD.

[Leon.]

Ceph, there was definitely more than one ACSD - might be better if you just say SASD.

Thank you. I had completely forgotten about the other ACSD incarnations.

[Huntsman]

Guys , the whole SASD incident happened way before I even joined the community. Even after SASD unofficial groups werent so limited..

[Leon.]

A very common problem with a lot of unofficial groups is that they grow, and with growth, their leaders become more stubborn and begin assuming that their authority and whatnot holds higher priority over SAPD/ARPD (whatever you'd like to use, since no one can agree on which is which anymore). They further isolate themselves from everyone else, stuck inside their own little bubble, refusing to cooperate.

Though, the issue the topic addresses) will likely be dealt with in the future. Something will be done about it once RS5 gets up and rolling, I am sure... it won't happen towards the start, because we have to get the ball going first, but it won't be too long.

So when it's convenient, we compare Argonath to RL, but when it's not, we yell that this isn't RL?

New sig quote. Legendary.

[Kostas]

I was, my name was different back then. Oh, okay, let's bring up my punishment history to every argument. This is one of the reason im not very enthusiastic about SAPD...
Secondly, this is Argonath, this is not real life, you can try everything you want and find what's suitable for you. Not in your eyes? It's funny how you say that when I have opened the BCSD and rised it to where it was and what Adam did was made a coup against me and used BCSD to recruit people to some other RP server to his own faction and then abandoned it , letting Paul close it.  I had no option but to resign, because Adam basically turned everyone against me (except for Ben) promising them stuff that could never be real (such as making BCSD scripted department) , to others he promised to give them a good position in some sort of SASD in a "srs rp" server.

BCSD was under my full command until I promoted Adam to Sheriff, then the mess started.. If not that mistake, who knows, maybe it still wold be up today.

First of all tell me a single member of BCSD that is against you . Yes it is true that we didn't like the fact that you left , still never got mad of you . You had the right to leave like everyone did . Also Adam was exceptional at his work and never worked against you ... atleast not in my eyes . And yeah it is true that he tried to get people to that other server but BCSD was almost dead in the Argonath side already ... awwh and by the way I tried that server and didn't stay .... so that you know .

If someone is turning BCSD members against you is your attitude at this post .

[Huntsman]

First of all tell me a single member of BCSD that is against you . Yes it is true that we didn't like the fact that you left , still never got mad of you . You had the right to leave like everyone did . Also Adam was exceptional at his work and never worked against you ... atleast not in my eyes . And yeah it is true that he tried to get people to that other server but BCSD was almost dead in the Argonath side already ... awwh and by the way I tried that server and didn't stay .... so that you know .

If someone is turning BCSD members against you is your attitude at this post .

Please do not speak of something that you don't have an idea about. First of all, you have left BCSD long before this has happened. Secondly, yes, there were members that remained loyal to me, you being one of them, however, there were some people who have been blindly obeying Adam, taking him as the real owner, leader and so on. Adam was exceptional, yes, he contributed to BCSD a lot, I promoted him for a reason, but after a while he started to riot against me and he was indeed turning certain members, mostly the most influnetial ones ,to turn against me. I'm not making this up, I have only recently found it out myself, an ex BCSD member has told me that himself. In return, he promised these members a good position in some sort of a faction in another roleplay server. Some members stayed loyal to me ,for example you, Danny, Tomer, Ben and some others that I can't recall, but some of them, especially those who got fired from SAPD and got dissapointed in Argonath, followed Adam to another server and helped him take the lead from me. This was the real reason why I left BCSD, because I was forced to. Whom are against me? All these who have followed Adam to another server, just recently he has sent me screenshots of him being in one of these srs rp servers with half of the BCSD, and also some new faces, talking shit about me. Then there are people who got extremely mad because of serious demotions and punishments I issued for constantly trolling in the department, but were given their ranks back by Adam. I was trying to keep it as discipline as I could but either Adams' "kindness" or his wish to disobey my orders would result in them being back in the department. You know far from everything of what has happened, BCSD Captain Kostas..

[Kostas]

Well . I do admit of not really remembering when excactly I left ... I was asked to join that server though and did try it out .... If that's the true story then sorry for my last post and generally sorry for talking about things not so much related to the actual topic ... Would like to get back in touch with you though ...

[Leon.]

Uhm... I don't know if we should derail this topic into being about inner BCSD matters and other servers.

[Pingster]

New sig quote. Legendary.

Probably the first person to have a quote of mine in their signature. Uncertain how that makes me feel yet.
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