RS4-RS5

[Bundy]

Don't think it took you half an hour to figure it out, understanding it is about as simple as locking your front door.

Figure of speech, but I guess you understand what I mean.

[Rusty]

It took me 3 weeks to learn how to tie shoe laces 

 

Figure of speech, but I guess you understand what I mean.

I understand.
Once you spend a bit playing around with the commands for money, you'll come to know how it fits together.  For me it's ever so simple to work.
You can't learn something new if you don't give it a try.

Have a read of the RS5 Guide I posted for banking, helpful insight to get you started.

[Pandalink]

Yet after years of complaints from negativists

Look, just because some people don't pretend that everything is always fine, doesn't mean they're a negativist.

Assuming Boromir thinks and observes situations the way somebody like you would.

What, intelligently and objectively?
I would hope so actually, yes.

[JDC]

I will ignore the later part of the post because you clearly have a delusion of who you're talking to, if you have the idea that I'm shitting on RS5. I've yet to say a bad thing about RS5, or the quality of the scripts, actually, but thank you for once more proving that you are only capable of writing paragraphs of absolute nonsense on Advanced English levels.

Typical of those who cannot counter arguments with actual substance to resort to wild conjecture and logical fallacies (read: strawman and tu quoque). If you actually had enough experience such as running a game server and being around during the years that saw the formation of the game features you label as not having originated from Argonath, perhaps a new audience would take your message more seriously aside from those who were born yesterday.

Seeing as you cannot back up your words without more hate and making people look bad, I am not surprised at all you dodged certain matters that you cannot address without damaging your credibility, such as the one below:

There are things I do not like in this community too. But no matter how long I take a hiatus, one of the things I can always count on seeing when coming back is you making snide remarks against this community and its administration. You seem to despise Argonath so much, so why are you still here?

Look, just because some people don't pretend that everything is always fine, doesn't mean they're a negativist.

I would be one of those who are very familiar with questioning status quo (just not in the same way as those who have frequent run-ins with the administration) and "not pretending that everything is fine", a trait which even led me to clash with certain admins (during my time in the team) and even with FBI officials of other departments as an FBI Director. While I do like RS5, I would also be among one of the first to point out that certain aspects of the game are currently in crucial need of improvement.

However, when the majority that comes out of your mouth is something that attempts to portray the community and/or administration in a bad light instead of actually trying to contribute to improvement, that certainly puts it on another level, does it not?

What, intelligently and objectively?
I would hope so actually, yes.

If by "intelligently and objectively", you mean simply answering arguments from Gandalf (backed by dev experience) with nothing but bullsh- more questioning / pointing of fingers rather than providing suitable counter-arguments and/or evidence (the latter of which I would happily accept, by all means) that the game features did NOT originate from Argonath, I would hate to think that Boromir analyzes things in that matter.

A similar analogy I would like to use as a comparison would be what happens when you try to introduce reasonable and scientific facts (in this case, Gandalf's arguments verified by years of experience as a community owner and developer) to a closed-minded religious creationist (negativist) whose credibility and reliability goes no further than using the Bible as proof.

[Gandalf]

So yeah.
<large list of things ensue>

In the end of the day, just f**king how can you base the fact that these are taken straight from Argonath? Do you people here seriously thing there wasn't anyone else who had the same idea, just later than you, and it necessarily wasn't taken from Argonath, not even the idea? It's the same as trying to argue that there's only one way of proving Pythagoras' theorem.

Simple. People on SA:MP forums asked for a system 'like Argonath'.
As for your comments, I am stating the truth. Now your memory may tell you different, but if you can research the old situations you will see that my statements are exactly true.

as for 'some PEN1 script had it' the reason they had is is because they took it from our RS1.
Remeber that any script created after 20-02-2007 could be influenced by RS2, any script after 17-10-2007 by RS3.

[Kirgiz]

Remeber that any script created after 20-02-2007 could be influenced by RS2, any script after 17-10-2007 by RS3.

Just as anything you could've done will be simply taken off other servers. You try to give yourselves too much credit when you're just as unique as any other server.

Typical of those who cannot counter arguments

Still missing my point totally... Unless you stop acting like a bolshevik, discussing something with you is pointless.

To reflect once more, refer to this part of the post.

I will ignore the later part of the post because you clearly have a delusion of who you're talking to, if you have the idea that I'm shitting on RS5. I've yet to say a bad thing about RS5,

Seeing as you cannot back up your words without more hate and making people look bad, I am not surprised at all you dodged certain matters that you cannot address without damaging your credibility, such as the one below:

See, you can't even grasp the fact I ignored that part of the post for a reason. Which you deny to admit - I never hated RS5. So either suck it up or find yourself another "ENEMY OF THE STATE".

[JDC]

See, you can't even grasp the fact I ignored that part of the post for a reason. Which you deny to admit - I never hated RS5. So either suck it up or find yourself another "ENEMY OF THE STATE".

Unless you were born yesterday and consider RS5 to be equal to all of Argonath, you will know that I am not talking (specifically) about RS5.

You seem to despise Argonath so much, so why are you still here?

Although if you are too inept, incapable, or incompetent of answering such a simple question and will (predictably) choose to resort to more insults and empty rhethoric in your next post, it's not my credibility that will be damaged or unproven. After all, I'm not the one trying to make this community look like shit.

[Gandalf]

Just as anything you could've done will be simply taken off other servers. You try to give yourselves too much credit when you're just as unique as any other server.

I wrote the script, so I know what I took from others and what I constructed myself.
Any further attempts to discredit me will result in a permanent ban.

As for not being unique: indeed, as we did not bring truly new ideas for about 4 years other have caught up. Which is why we constructed RS5, to be at the head of the field again. Funny how you try to discredit past achievements yet can not deny that our new ideas are indeed new.

[Boromir]

Ah, the "Moaning/shitting" card. Why is there something for you to not take the fact that there are a lot of really individual things that people do not like in a script?

As far as I'm concerned, seeing that you haven't been active since at least May of this year, you cannot objectively navigate the situation based on blinking observations of the forum for a couple of moments.

As if you have done anything for this community.
Stating your opinions about the scripts and shitting on the developers themselves + scripts are completely different. Like I said, if you do not like us, leave. It's better to not have people like you for the community.

With all my respect, but why are you guys "happy" to see people leaving..
Look to the players online atm, 5/100.
I am bored of playing with 7 players, really it isn't fun anymore.
I want an active SAMP Argonath server, and you are just telling people to leave..

What makes you think we are "happy" to see people leaving?
We cannot force you guys to stay/leave. It's your own choice. All we do is to try our best to keep the community running.

Besides, we are not the only ones who are running the community. You are too. If you really care for the community, then do not shit on it. Try to discuss for the better.

[murdoxix]

We cannot force you guys to leave. It's your own choice.

You actually can force us to leave :P

Besides, we are not the only ones who are running the community. You are too. If you really care for the community, then do not shit on it.

This it's very very true!!!

Try to discuss for the better.

Hmm... It's slightly useless to discuss for changes, at least for 6 months:

We will first work on the current roadmap to ensure that all planned features of RS5 will be implemented. Once that is done, we will look at the discussions in ARUN regarding proposed changes that are widely supported.
This will take about 6 months at least. If by that time there is still strong opposition we will consider changing the system.

[Pingster]

You've misunderstood what it means Ale, it means that in 6 months all the discussions will be looked at to discuss changes, from ARUN boards anyway. Which we don't have.

[Kirgiz]

I wrote the script

Alone.

so I know what I took from others and what I constructed myself.

So your ideas are taken solely from your head, and therefore are unique to your type of thinking. Noone ever could've thought of the same independant of you. Is that what you're implying? Because that's what I'm trying to clarify from you.

Funny how you try to discredit past achievements yet can not deny that our new ideas are indeed new.

Do you actually understand what you have just wrote, or you just wanted to pull something at me just to showcase me as "the bad guy"? And since you bring up this topic, I've yet to say that ideas implemented by your new scripts are not new at all. However, lets remember that new =! good, which some parts of your innovations indeed show a regression of quality of service. To take straight off the top of my head, jurisdictions. You know the rest.

As if you have done anything for this community.
Stating your opinions about the scripts and shitting on the developers themselves + scripts are completely different.

Please provide evidence of me shitting on developers AND scripts. Because right now you're the one who's shitting on me, no matter how you want me to see it.

[Malik.]

imo I don't mind RS5 is out. Only thing that is bothering me is that RS5 is full of uncomplete features. It shouldn't be out yet.

[kevinarens]

1. What makes you think we are "happy" to see people leaving?
We cannot force you guys to stay/leave. It's your own choice. All we do is to try our best to keep the community running.

2. Besides, we are not the only ones who are running the community. You are too. If you really care for the community, then do not shit on it. Try to discuss for the better.

1." If you are disgusted by the new script, then leave"
You are not even trying to let them stay in Argonath, you are just telling them to leave.
Let's use your words: "Try to discuss for the better."
2. I am not shitting on it, i even make video's for everyone to promote Argonath and to show them it is nice in here.
I'm just telling you that 80% of the people are leaving and 20% are coming, and let's hope they stay.
if you want the old people back, then you have to listen to the community or else they stay away.

[Pingster]

Kirgiz, do explain how, after having already experienced something, can you come up with the same thing independent of having experienced it?

In a limited world that is San Andreas, are you seriously trying to tell me that someone, having never heard or played on Argonath (or got the idea from someone who's played here), made a housing system that works exactly like Argonath's? There are HUNDREDS of ways you could create the housing system, but they came up with exactly the same thing? Shit, I can come up with 5 right now that work differently from Argonath's one. And that's just one example.

Come on, you're lying to yourself, get a reality check, people don't just come up with the same shit.

You are not even trying to let them stay in Argonath, you are just telling them to leave.

Lol, no, they're told to stop moaning about it, if they want, they can discuss things, present better alternatives and so on, not moan about them. If all they're going to do is moan, sure, bye ser.