RS4-RS5

[JDC]

Kirgiz, do explain how, after having already experienced something, can you come up with the same thing independent of having experienced it?

Do not waste your time arguing with haters who cannot even answer simple questions.

imo I don't mind RS5 is out. Only thing that is bothering me is that RS5 is full of uncomplete features. It shouldn't be out yet.

Given the circumstances behind the release (4 months loss of data is no joke), I wouldn't mind watching when new and improved features are added as I play. Given the stability and technological advancement of the script, the biggest complaint I could field so far would be limiting even the simplest tasks in some fields to dialog boxes and the fact you can't type while refueling, but that's about it. It's a matter of perception.

1." If you are disgusted by the new script, then leave"
You are not even trying to let them stay in Argonath, you are just telling them to leave.

If you read beyond the surface on Boromir's words and took into consideration the way the thread was going, then you will see that he is not merely saying "if there is something you do not like here, then gtfo", unless you were born yesterday.

It's one thing to dislike part of the game and propose an alternative / improvement through constructive and meaningful discussion. It's another to simply complain and spread negativity while not contributing anything at all to progress.

Between those two, I'm sure any reasonable and open-minded person could see which the developers want out of this community.

(for those with less brain cells, here's your hint: the latter)

[Devin]

imo I don't mind RS5 is out. Only thing that is bothering me is that RS5 is full of uncomplete features. It shouldn't be out yet.

You clearly have no idea as to why it was released early.

[Axison]

Is this topic going to span 35 pages of useless crap too?

I guess you were right.

[Pingster]

You clearly have no idea as to why it was released early.

Doesn't change the fact that it shouldn't be out yet :P But there's no alternative, that's the problem.

[Cyril]

If we didn't release RS5, you would be all moaning because there would be no server at all.

[Devin]

imo I don't mind RS5 is out. Only thing that is bothering me is that RS5 is full of uncomplete features. It shouldn't be out yet.

Doesn't change the fact that it shouldn't be out yet :P But there's no alternative, that's the problem.

For those that tend to forget.

Some times life is complicated. But when you get lemons, make lemonade.
Due to unforseen circumstances we are experiencing downtime, as thsoe of who who actually attempt to go in game might have noticed.
For those who only frequent the forum: we are experiencing some downtime. 

Now for what caused it and why all scripters and server leaders are running around is something that we will not tire you with. Just be assured that anyone who claims it as a hack or attack is lying though their teeth and should not be taken seriously on any word they say, present past or future.

The downtime has had an effect that we have had time to sit together and discuss the current situation on SA:MP. And the result is that rather than keep players suspended in between not knowing what to do in RS4 as anything acquired will be lost and being unsure about RS5 we will do what we planned before the beta release.
When we bring SA:MP up, it will be on a RS5 server. It will be a sunrise period, meaning that you can expect some bugs and frequently needed updates. However that shows the active work of the scirpting team that has been mostly hidden this year.
The sunrise period means you have time to learn how to use and abuse the script, and the HQ will watch you like a hawk. The abuses that need to be closed will be.

As for our other servers, business will resume, however there may be minor side effects of the downtime that we hope will be removed in short time.

Watch this board for information about the progress.

[Pingster]

I'm not arguing why it was released, I'm just saying, it shouldn't be under normal circumstances, and it wouldn't be either! :p

[Ragdoll]

I guess you were right.

Just 13 pages to go. Should take like... 6 hours when everyone's awake.

[JDC]

I'm not arguing why it was released, I'm just saying, it shouldn't be under normal circumstances, and it wouldn't be either! :p

Unfortunately, these are not normal circumstances. Anyone who has experience with scripting / programming work can see that for such a large amount of data lost, the team is taking this rather quite well.

Seeing as the most important questions have been answered, what is there left to complain about RS5 now (that has not been mentioned already)?

[Jeremy.]

Thank you Cyril.

[Kirgiz]

Kirgiz, do explain how, after having already experienced something, can you come up with the same thing independent of having experienced it?

In a limited world that is San Andreas, are you seriously trying to tell me that someone, having never heard or played on Argonath (or got the idea from someone who's played here), made a housing system that works exactly like Argonath's? There are HUNDREDS of ways you could create the housing system, but they came up with exactly the same thing? Shit, I can come up with 5 right now that work differently from Argonath's one. And that's just one example.

I've yet to see any other successful communities which have exact same script such as ArgonathRPG. You can begin exactly with housing.

[Scars]

Removed.

[Gandalf]

Alone.

Anything before RS4 was indeed done alone.
As for RS4, I split the scripts and then others worked on debugging and adding things.

So your ideas are taken solely from your head, and therefore are unique to your type of thinking. Noone ever could've thought of the same independant of you. Is that what you're implying? Because that's what I'm trying to clarify from you.

The things which I mentioned were designed by me. Most of them were requested on SA:MP boards after we opened, and as we do not release our scripts over time others made similar things.  Some made it worse, some might actually have made it better.

Do you actually understand what you have just wrote, or you just wanted to pull something at me just to showcase me as "the bad guy"? And since you bring up this topic, I've yet to say that ideas implemented by your new scripts are not new at all. However, lets remember that new =! good, which some parts of your innovations indeed show a regression of quality of service. To take straight off the top of my head, jurisdictions. You know the rest.

Jurisdictions are not a new idea, they have been asked for in the ideas topic for years.

Please provide evidence of me shitting on developers AND scripts. Because right now you're the one who's shitting on me, no matter how you want me to see it.

Read back your posts.

[Gandalf]

Man, you started working for RS5 since years now and what have you done? There are bugs left in the server, scripts that are not completed yet. I don't mind, you are humans like all of us but man, you worked -YEARS- for this RS5 and the only thing you can notice is that lot of players left Argonath.

Really now, but look how many players are daily and how many used to be. I don't think you didn't notice that yet. Though I didn't play here for years like others did, I can clearly see that this RS5 just made players stop playing here.

I also know some of you will quote this reply saying you didn't even play that long or something like that, but it doesn't matter. You don't have to play here that much to notice that quite a lot of players left because of this RS5.

So what? We run Argonath for the people that stay and play here, not for those that leave.

[Malik.]

Let's just hope RS5 will be complete soon. I love the idea, but it's not finished yet :/