Advertising other servers on RS5

[James_Webb]

You really can't see a difference between basic inviting people on a server and attempt to steal members by using Argonath name and reputation?
I promised myself I would not post in this topic any more, but I am just struck by your ignorance.

1) You can invite your facebook friends to another server (even if it's yours).
2) You can post other server's IP to your wall and invite people there.
3) You can upload pictures and videos from that server, there's no problem.

The problem appears when you start to use Argonath's reputation and players in order to gain more players.
It's not only trying to steal Argonath players (who left because of RS5 or didn't, it doesn't matter), but also trying to copy Argonath...

1) He said multiple times himself.. He created a server similar to RS4 (so he actually copied Argonath, which is bannable by itself).
2) Then he contacted Argonath players who were not his friends (over 100 people, most of whom he never spoke to). So, he tried to steal Argonath members.
3) Finally, he said the server was similar to RS4 Argonath, so he used our name and OUR reputation to make people interested. It was not basic "Come to see my RPG server" . It was using Argonath to gain bigger interest.

Of these three points, EACH is enough to be banned from our community, SEPARATELY. Doing them all together is just making it worse.

I am so disappointed to see you fighting for these guys claiming freedom and the good of Argonath. These guys actually were trying to steal our members, nothing less.


... and additionally - listen to what Gandalf is trying to say and you're ignoring. He can do whatever he wants on his "private account". But then, we - as the administration and management of our server - can also do what we want. If he has the right to ad his server using our name - and we shouldn't interrupt, we have the right to ban him and he shouldn't interrupt neither.

1: As i heard from someone Gandalf approved the existence of the server as long as it's not advertised on the forums and in game , correct me if i'm wrong.

2: I can't really argue much about that, however it's not really stealing since there is a possibility to play on more than 1 server. Also advertising on Facebook to argonath members is still not banable since it's outside of the server and forums.

3: He did use the name and COULD have some profit due that. What i want to know is what would have happened when he just said 'That server' instead of argonath. It's hypocrite but in that case he wouldn't have mentioned the name.

That makes one point MAYBE bannable.

[Gandalf]

Even comunities have some hard times, it's how we react to them, and here we have shown loyality to our members, 30 people fighting to get ONE unbanned, I'm kinda proud of them, even if Gandalf went batshit crazy.. we have proven AS a comunity that we can acomplish something.. even though I can't believe we had to prove it.. I mean Argonath spawned another comunity of people that liked RS4, it is how the developers react, my reaction is "good on ya'" ..

I did not go crazy, actually I would have kept him banned.

[Conk]

So someone has actually made a server to try and compete with Argonath, that is similar to RS4?

[Gandalf]

1: As i heard from someone Gandalf approved the existence of the server as long as it's not advertised on the forums and in game , correct me if i'm wrong.

2: I can't really argue much about that, however it's not really stealing since there is a possibility to play on more than 1 server. Also advertising on Facebook to argonath members is still not banable since it's outside of the server and forums.

3: He did use the name and COULD have some profit due that. What i want to know is what would have happened when he just said 'That server' instead of argonath. It's hypocrite but in that case he wouldn't have mentioned the name.

That makes one point MAYBE bannable.

1. I can not approve the existence of any other server as our own. I can only blacklist those who attack us.
2. If you use our name, wherever it may be, it is directed against our community and there for WILL be punished.
3. If he would have sent a message without any mention of Argonath RPG, RS4 or similar terms nothing would have happened. People send messages every day.

[Jaka_Lah]

I did not go crazy, actually I would have kept him banned.

But.. Are you sure though?

[Gandalf]

So someone has actually made a server to try and compete with Argonath, that is similar to RS4?

No. They use a basic RP script available on SA-MP forum that has been used for hundreds of other servers.
That they tell it is 'close to RS4' shows how little they actually know.

[Mircea_Niko]

   Alright..

   Guys, let's be serious. Whatever side are you on, this war must stop. None of the sides are reaching to a consense, and now this topic has gathered over 10 God damn pages within few hours.
   Excluding the topic, the war still continues on Skype, Steam, Facebook, TeamSpeak, Yahoo, Ask.fm (with ridiculous provocations and questions), Twitter, Whatsapp and even other SA:MP servers, which obviously I will not mention. I was actually raped, owned, fucked up, call it how you want, but believe it or not, tonight I have been spammed and flooded by over 1000 messages, from all of those platforms I stated above. I was asked to join both sides by others, and to be honest, I chosen to be neutral, thing that lead to another provocation messages and others towards me, for ''omg u are nub you cant see shit about this situation omg go fu yourself''. And let's get ourselves understood, this is not a chit-chat story, this is a large-scale war over a situation apparently simple to solve (more or less).
   
   To all seriousness, guys, let's stop. Let's cope with each other and PUT AN END to this. I doubt you want this to continue, ether side are you on.

   For real.

[Khm]

Finally someone got my point.

[Zaila]

Even comunities have some hard times, it's how we react to them, and here we have shown loyality to our members, 30 people fighting to get ONE unbanned, I'm kinda proud of them, even if Gandalf went batshit crazy.. we have proven AS a comunity that we can acomplish something.. even though I can't believe we had to prove it.. I mean Argonath spawned another comunity of people that liked RS4, it is how the developers react, my reaction is "good on ya'" ..

You really think that all the shit thrown at me had an effect in my decision to unban Ethan?

[Jaka_Lah]

You really think that all the shit thrown at me had an effect in my decision to unban Ethan?

It should have.. but than again why should you care about what the comunity thinks? It's not like you're a division leader or anything.

[Teddy]

It should have..

and that is why you are in zero positions here.

[Jaka_Lah]

and that is why you are in zero positions here.

Oh that is why? I thought it was the constant multi accounting, hacking, threatning, lying, insulting, provoking, ban evading, perament ban evading, arguing, deathmatching, having no temper, constantly spaming, deathmatching, constant rule breaking, insulting comunity leaders, making comics that insult comunity leaders, making videos that mistakingly have me insulting the comunity in them.. but that was 4 years ago so I can see why "It should have" is the reason I have no position here. Or in your words zero positions, how can you have zero position(s=multiple would not make sense in case of there being ZERO of it). But if you tell me here that the comunity managment isn't supposed to listen to the comunity and isn't supposed to tell us... Actually while writing this I just realised I could be doing way more productive things than argue with someone on a forum.. huh.. who would of thought.

Thanks for your imput.

[JDC]

I agree with you, But one thing. Why are members of the ArgonathRPG (locked) group saying we are not allowed to post 'other servers' on our wall.
and threatning us with 'global bans'

For someone in your position, that is a very narrow-minded way of viewing things. Reading the post in question with an open mind, all you would see is a re-iteration of what has been said so far about advertising, and the consequences should they decide to push through with such an endeavor.

I seriously hate to think you possess as much a lack of common sense as the moaners who have no idea of the difference between posting content and outright advertising. Do you?

Actually while writing this I just realised I could be doing way more productive things than argue with someone on a forum.. huh.. who would of thought.

After all the shit you posted criticizing and insulting the administration, and you realized that just now? I should insult the slowness of how long it took you to achieve that, but I would rather credit the fact that you realized something (which is more than could be said for those bereft of common sense who continue to falsely blackpaint the administration as uncaring), if you actually realized it.

Although it seems after 4 years, with your attitude now, little of what caused all the offenses you outlined in the first part of your post has changed...


As some individuals here continue to moan against RS5 with the common sense of a complete idiot, I feel the need to reiterate this simple fact.

If Argonath developers "kept" RS4 as you wanted them to, you would have been playing with 4 months of loss data and spent time recovering, only to be swept by a second "loss" when RS5 was eventually and inevitably released. To save you the trouble of going through that twice, the developers chose to speed up the release of RS5.

[McGarrett]

[Conk]

I think it's more like: