Enough is enough, the rules apply for all

[Chris_Knight]

Yes indeed. But it's easy to be said for administration,as wrath of redname makes you invincible for interupting your gameplay.
As I've been cop,admin,criminal each long terms.
I can say that as a criminal you just get annoyed by suspection abuse,I mean first it's rp as much yes and stuff,but it just keeps interupting your gameplay,your roleplay scenarios and overall attempting relax and enjoy the game. 
So when you just get abused over and over and over and over again it makes you from an player enjoying his time and roleplaying to an unsatisfied player suffering an other people boredom or cyber material demand aka money .
So spending at least half of the time you are able to play with friends,in an investigation room just because 70 % of server are cops,is not going to make happy anyone,you gotta agree with this.

[Cofiliano]

Completely false. HQ doesn't order admins what punishment they should use.
Admins are free to use the punishment they think it's the best for the situation.

Oh so you become an admin, and then you're leased to do what ever you think you should? Tell that story to someone else mate.
HQ provides a policy to admins how they should handle certain situations, saying this is completely false just ends up you looking like a lier.

And no provocation on this one and it has an argument.

You might lose your official status then. As you are supposed to be a role model for other. I doubt engaging a war against the administration is a very good idea for your own benefit. You have way more to lose than to gain.

You might want to watch the way you're addressing people, you got a big attitude problem, and that's your personal thing, but you as a manager should be careful on what you say,  not publish treat based on your spinning what I've said. You are suppose to be the guy who take actions in this things not happening, or working on it so it wont happen in the future, not ignore the whole problem, call all of us here names, and act like the King isn't naked.

None in the scenario I said is included Me, nor am I gonna lead any war with anyone.
I'm the one pointing on a problem so we can take measures in prevention.
I'm talking about situations that we already had and it didn't end up good for anyone, and in general for the Community.
We don't have a luxury to commit same mistakes, like we did before, and that's all this topic is about.

[Zaila]

So when you just get abused over and over and over and over again it makes you from an player enjoying his time and roleplaying to an unsatisfied player suffering an other people boredom or cyber material demand aka money .

If someone is getting suspected several times in a row by a player, then i agree it becomes an administrative matter as it's obvious that the police officer is just there to grief the players playtime.

So spending at least half of the time you are able to play with friends,in an investigation room just because 70 % of server are cops,is not going to make happy anyone,you gotta agree with this.

I both agree and disagree with you on it.

I understand that when you play on a server like this, you want to do whatever you want to do. However, as it's an online game with many players online, things will not go according to your own plans all the time. If you play online, you always must understand that other factors will change things for you and you will simply have to accept that.

HQ provides a policy to admins how they should handle certain situations, saying this is completely false just ends up you looking like a lier.

But he's not lying. We do not have carved into stone what exactly our staff members should do in any kind of situation. We got guidelines in common situations which is giving suggestions on what to do, however how they solve a situation is entirely up to them as long as they dont step outside of the line (like banning someone for randomly saying "fuck" in public chat).

[Devin]

Oh so you become an admin, and then you're leased to do what ever you think you should? Tell that story to someone else mate.
HQ provides a policy to admins how they should handle certain situations, saying this is completely false just ends up you looking like a lier.

Indeed HQ provides administrators with scenarios and possible solutions to those matters in order to try and give them a ground to start with when they first join the administration team.
Even though we do provide them with problems and solutions, it's up to the individual administration members discretion as to how they handle matters.

We give them guidelines to follow but that does not mean they have to be spot on to what we say or do the exact same thing for every scenario. They may handle issues as they see fit.

[Cofiliano]

What you said, and what Zaila wrote, is completely agreeable with what I wrote.

Now that we established that HQ gives guidelines and policy on how they should act in certain situations, and we established that's not completely false, I think that this can be a method of resolving this major problem that's like a cancer, if not completely then at least a major impact which will minimize this problem to a acceptable level. And the best part of it, it doesn't take much resources, time, or anything in implementing.

[eymas]

I've said this a few times before:

"We need to witness the rule in question being broken in order to act upon it."

Since that's how we operate 

[Devin]

What you said, and what Zaila wrote, is completely agreeable with what I wrote.

Now that we established that HQ gives guidelines and policy on how they should act in certain situations, and we established that's not completely false, I think that this can be a method of resolving this major problem that's like a cancer, if not completely then at least a major impact which will minimize this problem to a acceptable level. And the best part of it, it doesn't take much resources, time, or anything in implementing.

Administrators are given an idea of how to handle situations appropriately, if they feel their method works better then they may use it.
I don't see why anything needs to be changed because people want others to get punished more and more for things when they could just be guided better to begin with. If it's a regular breaking the rules while on duty I am sure the administration members would deal with it appropriately.

[Huntsman]

20 on week days? That shows how inactive you are.
Don't speak about things you don't know.

It's ridiculous how you're telling players who are less active because of school that they're no longer welcome here and they should fuck off. I've played RS5 since it's broken beta was released instead of RS4, and only when the final version released, I got to studying to exams as they were getting awfully close, so stop feeding me that nonsense, it wont work on me, I know just as much as you do, at last, it doesn't take a genius to take a look at the player count once in a while, which I do quite often. Now if you really want to play that game, let's make a deal, I'll send you a screenshot of player count on the SA:MP server each day, do you really want to take it to that? At this time normally there would be atleast 50 people online, now take a look at this, when the RS4 was present, you could have never imagined that Argonath would loose so many players and you'd be forced to play with only 20-30 people. But they didnt leave because of RS5, they left because their voice was constantly ignored, and they'd be told that "their opinion is not needed". Keep dreaming in whatever wonderland you want to live in, but you wont run away from the truth.

[Cyril]

It's ridiculous how you're telling players who are less active because of school that they're no longer welcome here and they should f**k off. I've played RS5 since it's broken beta was released instead of RS4, and only when the final version released, I got to studying to exams as they were getting awfully close, so stop feeding me that nonsense, it wont work on me, I know just as much as you do, at last, it doesn't take a genius to take a look at the player count once in a while, which I do quite often. Now if you really want to play that game, let's make a deal, I'll send you a screenshot of player count on the SA:MP server each day, do you really want to take it to that? At this time normally there would be atleast 50 people online, now take a look at this, when the RS4 was present, you could have never imagined that Argonath would loose so many players and you'd be forced to play with only 20-30 people. But they didnt leave because of RS5, they left because their voice was constantly ignored, and they'd be told that "their opinion is not needed". Keep dreaming in whatever wonderland you want to live in, but you wont run away from the truth.

The Player count raise day by day. Players voice were heard, as most script in-game come from their suggestion.
Currently 35 players are online. Of course it's not thanks to you, but thanks to our loyal players and the effort of Devin and our scripters.
Go back to your corner and moan there, thanks.

[Huskar]

Like I wrote on the first reply on the topic, this isn't about being unsatisfied with admin punishment, cause admins practice the ways of punishment that they were told to do by HQ. Admins didnt came alone with the 'go report on sapd forum' for everything, they were told to do so.

This is not right , ive been admin and ive never been told what punishment i should use. Theres guide you read it when you become moderator and that is. After that its all your own, you punish him and if its wrong you get punished by managers simple as that. But trust me admins doesn't punish you because they hate you, its their job. Just try to see what will happen in the server if admins are not strict ?

And you can't handle rulebreaker, carjacker, and dmer? go play The Sims

[JDC]

It's ridiculous how you're telling players who are less active because of school that they're no longer welcome here and they should f**k off. I've played RS5 since it's broken beta was released instead of RS4, and only when the final version released, I got to studying to exams as they were getting awfully close, so stop feeding me that nonsense, it wont work on me, I know just as much as you do, at last, it doesn't take a genius to take a look at the player count once in a while, which I do quite often. Now if you really want to play that game, let's make a deal, I'll send you a screenshot of player count on the SA:MP server each day, do you really want to take it to that? At this time normally there would be atleast 50 people online, now take a look at this, when the RS4 was present, you could have never imagined that Argonath would loose so many players and you'd be forced to play with only 20-30 people. But they didnt leave because of RS5, they left because their voice was constantly ignored, and they'd be told that "their opinion is not needed". Keep dreaming in whatever wonderland you want to live in, but you wont run away from the truth.

Just because Argonath doesn't work the way you want to, that doesn't mean it is a mess.

Many of the new ideas that were implemented came from the players. They complain when their ideas are not considered, and they complain even more when their ideas are implemented. Some people should f**king learn how to make up their minds. Your voices were heard, and then this happened. Much of the blame belongs to no other but yourselves. Pointing fingers at the staff who work hard to fix this community will only make you look stupid.

Feel free to post on the state of the community when you've stopped spreading delusions and trying to gain some sort of (hope for) power through hopeless "politician" acts, perhaps the administration could actually take you seriously then.


I'm actually amazed at the astounding failure of many players to comprehend one thing.

The point of admin punishments is to maintain order and justice on the server, not to satisfy the e-penises of those who feel that they were wronged. While feedback may be nice now and then, admins are bound by no such obligation, and justice WILL be dealt regardless of whether we notify you or not.

We are here to keep things in order, not to bloat or coddle players' egos.

[Devin]

Ironically enough, this quote fits right in.

Suggesting ideas does not mean all ideas are perfect and does not mean we will run to serve every idea the veterans suggest...

To all there around:

However, server turns into shit thanks to those who have no f**king idea about Argonath and f**king moan about every shit around...

Argonath is not supposed to be a place for pampers changes...
Cannot handle a dminger, rammer, noober, abooozer, adminner - go play The Sims...

Argonath never was a f**king kindergarten... So do not blame this server for being a GTA server...

For... f**k... sake...

Thank you all...

[Doggie]

It's ridiculous how you're telling players who are less active because of school that they're no longer welcome here and they should f**k off. I've played RS5 since it's broken beta was released instead of RS4, and only when the final version released, I got to studying to exams as they were getting awfully close, so stop feeding me that nonsense, it wont work on me, I know just as much as you do, at last, it doesn't take a genius to take a look at the player count once in a while, which I do quite often. Now if you really want to play that game, let's make a deal, I'll send you a screenshot of player count on the SA:MP server each day, do you really want to take it to that? At this time normally there would be atleast 50 people online, now take a look at this, when the RS4 was present, you could have never imagined that Argonath would loose so many players and you'd be forced to play with only 20-30 people. But they didnt leave because of RS5, they left because their voice was constantly ignored, and they'd be told that "their opinion is not needed". Keep dreaming in whatever wonderland you want to live in, but you wont run away from the truth.

Well said! 

[TiMoN]

Could someone please explain the point of this topic to me? Please.

[Cyril]

I miss Aragorn